Ballfan6Hansen will end up playing defense!
Easy guys. I still stand by what i said a while back, Chase Hansen is the best
QB in Utah. To say Apo and Jacobson would start at any pac team is a little
stretch, for now at least. There is a lot of jabs going on right now that don't
necisarily need to be made. Both the U and the Y had games that they wish they
could replay. Thats how sports work.
Oh and flukey, I have never claimed to know any of the college football coaches
in this state. I don't know any of them. What I have said is I attended high
school with Kyle Whittinghams younger borthers and know them. I did play
football against Bronco but do not know him at all.I also have never
claimed to know the parents of every recruit in the state either. I do know the
Hansens. Look at my place of residence. I have hs age kids. I coach youth
sports. I know many, if not most, of the families of the kids in the Lone Peak
and American Fork areas that play sports, a lot of the Lehi kids families as
well. Maybe you haven't noticed but Chase Hansen plays at Lone Peak and also
played at American Fork. He is the same age as one of my children and he played
all of the youth sports around here. My guess is if you have
anything at all to do with your area, you might just know the people in your
area that share similar interests as well. But maybe you're just a shut in
living in a basement?
@2bcsflukesThen please tell me what I was wrong about. Of course you
can't because I am right. The numbers show I am right. The facts are the facts.
So all that is left for you to do is try to make it personal, but I don't mind.
Actually I love it when utah "fans" like yourself make it personal. It
shows two things. One is that I was correct about whatever point I made that set
you off. And two is that you are incapable of forming a convincing argument in
the other direction. LOL!So once again my point was white had gawdy
numbers because he was utah's only quality rb. utah's coaches didn't want it to
be that way but had no choice so that is how it went. white did not perform well
against any good team.BYU had 4 quality rb's and used them all
effectively. Their numbers collectively are better than whites and prove my
point. white is a good rb, as I said, but he is not all ute
"fans" claim.Now let's see if you can actually refute the
topic. I'm betting you can't so you won't even try.LOL!
@DuckyI'm on a Y article reading comments as I do from time to time.
You on the other hand seem to read and comment on every U article that is
printed. Within the first 5 words of your response to me it pretty much proves
exactly my point. You say "The fact that I am correct" I never said
what you were proven wrong about. Yet you can already say I'm correct because
you believe your right about everything, regardless of what anybody thinks. Enjoy the holiday's Ducky, will you be spending them with the
mendenhalls, or out with the families of each recruit in the state? I know you
claim to know the families of every recruit in the state, and all the Y coaches.
On a serious note Ducky you can go on posting and thinking that
you're always right. That people actually buy that you know Y coaches, recruits,
families of the recruits, etc. Just wanted you to know your not fooling anybody
it's clear that you don't and are not always right. It's guy's like you that
have never even played the game that give fan bases a bad name.
wow not sure what happened with the numbers, thanks dnewsApo 34 453 9 tdsChristopher38 589 4 tds
DevilishUteTempe, AZ"4601As bad as this Ute
basketball team is - and it is REALLY, REALLY, REALLY bad - we've already
"blown" past your 1-26 gem. Kinda."If you are going
to reach back into the annals of history.... well 1984 nuff said.
I know nothing about Sports-man101"all the skill positions at
ut are better except the qb position. point blank. i would take devonte
christopher and dres anderson over apo or hoffman anyway"Mull
this over friendApo a freshman3445313.3429 td**Christopher a junior3858915.5654 td**Not that much
difference for a freshman with fewer receptions! (except in tds, where he
dominates Christopher in that regard) I would take Apo with 9 td's and
Hoffman over any Ute WR.
@devlishdupeWhite was injured in the colorado game, true. But he was
only averaging a whopping 2.8 ypc before he was injured right about halftime.
Definately subpar.You trying to pretend he got hurt in warmups or something and
never even carried the ball is what lacks credibility. Face it, in every
statistical categorie you are wrong and we are right. And of course you didn't
even address my points about white only getting overworked because the rest of
utah's rb's stunk so utah had no choice. BYU on the otherhand has the luxury of
real quality depth and they used it.@2bcsflukesBitter?
You obviously are. The fact that I am correct is what makes you bitter and angry
over my posts. If not you wouldn't be on an article about a BYU wr trying to
argue about something you obviously know nothing about. Oh and I love how you
act as if you speak for all BYU and utah fans. You may actually speak for utah
"fans" as they don't like reading the truth any more than you do, but
outside of that you are just blowing hot air. Thanks for making my day!LOL!
LovelessDude! who said anything about Heaps quitting football? They
said he quit on the Y. I said that he never quit on the Y he is doing what many
on this football team has done (gave several examples in my post just on this
year's team) go find a spot that is a better fit. He is not a
"quitter" he is smart for looking for a better coaching staff and a
better fit that will help him develope.Read the posts as I mentioned
DevilishUteeeIf White is so good, then why is utah's offense ranked
#110 total and #82 in rushing? Even teams like CSU, UTep and Ball State have
more rushing yards. It seems to me if they have such a vastly superior RB they
should at least be up with Alabama as far as offensive production. Just don't
understand.btw Byu is ranked #54 in rushing. lol
Thanks, Ross. Class act.
"Butterfingers" Di Luigi for starters would have burned Colorado
coming out of the backfield for a pass, something which Riley can throw to him
and he can catch. I don't see where JW4 caught anything in the Oregon State
game.Mind you, getting back to subject, when you have Apo and Hoff,
you don't have to through to Di Luigi very often. But I do hope Alisa can
develop that added dimension of pass catching as Di Luigi has.
Ah, Devilish,Reading for comprehension friend! I clipped the entire
rushing stats for both teams against a common opponent.But then for
your sake, I focused on the question at hand: our four against your one. Pardon
me while I repeat:"But what you will find is that the
"committee" of BYU running backs carried the ball one less time (34
instead of 35) for 12 less yards (193 instead of 205) for a nearly equal average
(5.7 instead of 5.9).Better? Yes. Superior? No. VASTLY superior? Go
figure!"Now if I failed to recognize that you were, in your own
Ute way, accepting the olive branch I was offering, I apologize!Would White get running time in a BYU backfield? Most definitely! Right
along with the other 4 worthy candidates.But you have to admit, when
Utah's offense became glaringly one dimensional, and when lowly Colorado decided
to sell out and put 8 in the box and force your QB to beat them another way, he
wasn't vastly anything. Not saying any one of BYU's running backs would have
faired any better, just that BYU enjoyed the benefits of diversification!
If Lark is as good as you all say, why can't he sniff the field against HS
"BYU's depth at TE and WR is the best ever."All the people
still living in 1984, which is most of you, would disagree with your statement.
Lots of talk about JW4 here, but I would love to have that guy or Robert Turbin
at BYU. But BYU has a great stable of backs and don't forget Iona Pritchard
coming back next year. We lose JJ and Kariya but bring up backs like Adam Hine
who before his mission was recruited by Utah and Stanford. But this
article is about Ross Apo. Somebody said he is LDS. I didn't know that either.
But as for the Ute trolls who say he couldn't play anywhere else... How do we
respond to that kind of stupidity? How about having been rated the No. 13 WR by
Rivals; recruited by Cal, Kansas State, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, Texas and
Tulsa. Gee, a few big names on that last, but not Utah. I guess they didn't see
this one coming. BYU's depth at TE and WR is the best ever. AND, I'm
going out on a limb to say depth at QB is just as good. James Lark actually was
ahead of Nelson through most of Fall camp. Jason Munns would be starting for
Utah right now if he were on their roster. And Taysom Hill just came home from a
mission. Yet-to-be-seen on Taysom, but Stanford was pretty high on him. Too bad there isn't enough going on in SLC to keep the Utes occupied.
Then again, I wouldn't know because I never read their stuff. Well, I did pick
up on Norm Chow leaving after one year. Maybe they can find a few more BYU
coaches to come in and bail them out.
DevilishUteAll of your comments are absurd.
Quack,White was injured in the CO game. Oops. Shows how qualified
you are to speak on this matter? No credibility. Glad you finally
admitted - by the way it's taken a long time to get this concession from you -
that BYU quit in the Utah-BYU game. So funny!Y Dad,Yes,
you proved my point. This is a discussion about RBs. Why, then, are you
including QB and WR stats in a discussion about RBs????????? Apples and
oranges, my friend. You tried to include Utah's QB and WR in the discussion and
I give you credit for at least trying to create an equal scenario. However, we
have been talking about RBs. White is the best back.White, a RB,
gained the most yards against the common opponent. He also broke off the
longest run and was the most productive RB. He would be a feature back in the
BYU offense and DiLuigi, or should we call him butterfingers, and company would
be watching Heaps hold a clipboard on the sideline.
@Ducky"He had pretty mediocre to bad games against every decent team
and even some of the bad ones (colorado ring a bell?)."Your
absolutley right he did tear up really bad teams though. He really tore up the
horrible team we played on 09/17/11 in Provo. You have ripped the
Utah offense the last few days several times on these boards, while praising the
Y's offense. Then you make a comment like you did above that JW4 had mediocre to
bad games against decent teams. Let me ask you this ducky, how did
the Y's offense perform this season against decent teams? Utah, Texas, TCU, even
a really bad team in Ole miss?You continue to make it pretty
apparent to both U and Y fans that you have no clue what you're talking about.
You give no credit to anything Utah, do nothing but praise the Y even if its not
deserving. Numerous times a week you're proven wrong on ridiculous comments you
have made but never admit it. Please do both U and Y fan's a favor
and start cheering for Boise St.
devilshuteWhat part don't you understand? I have not ever bashed Utah's
O-line this season. The only comment I made was about the injuries they
sustained in Fall camp and the need to move D linemen to the O line. I was doing
nothing more than rehashing what the writers and Ute coaches said. You
have no idea how many players from the PAC and WAC schools are in the NFL? Find
some facts like I did if you want anyone to take you seriously.White
was average at best against every decent defense he faced(3.19 ypc)Look at the
numbers. He was not vastly superior to any RB's at BYU.If I asked Bronco
candidly, openly or in church on Sunday, he would not say he preferred White.
What a desperate, "less than intelligent" observation.White was 9th in the country in total yards. Out of the top 25(total yard)
rushers in the country, he was 21st in yards per carry. Out of the top 100
rushers in the country, he was not even in the top 75 in yards per carry.Look at the facts next time, it will save you additional embarrassment.
Sorry that didn't line up very well.But what you will find is that
the "committee" of BYU running backs carried the ball one less time
(34 instead of 35) for 12 less yards (193 instead of 205) for a nearly equal
average (5.7 instead of 5.9).Better? Yes. Superior? No. VASTLY
superior? Go figure!For fun, if you add Riley's rushing stats into
the picture, you get 46 rushes for 280 yards, an average of 6.1 yards per
carry.Oh, and it was a common opponent, but BYU was away while Utah
was home.Come on, friend, we're throwing you a line here! White
carried a tremendous burden for his team, and he did it very well. Let's be
friends on this one, hey?
DevilishNo, I think if you asked Bronco candidly, he would be very
happy with his guys. They work together and do what is asked of them. There is
nothing wrong with JW4, just not VASTLY superior.Since you object to
the "roughly equivalent" argument, let's look at the common opponent,
Oregon State:Brigham Young Cougars Rush Yds Avg Lng TD FumL Riley Nelson 12 87 7.3 22 0 0 Michael
Alisa 20 84 4.2 10 1 0 JJ Di Luigi
8 74 9.3 41 1 0 Josh Quezada
3 26 8.7 15 0 0 Bryan Kariya
3 9 3.0 3 0 0 Cody Hoffman 1
3 3.0 3 0 0Utah Utes Rush Yds
Avg Lng TD FumL John White 35 205 5.9 60 1
0 Reggie Dunn 2 15 7.5 11 0 0 Jon Hays 5 6 1.2 18 0 0 Harvey Langi 1 0 0.0 0 0 0
@devilishuteI love how you are glossing over so many facts here.utah's coaches wanted to split carries between multiple rb's just like
BYU did, but their rb's weren't good enough to do it. langi and the rugby player
didn't turn out to be any good at all and utah was forced to overuse white
because he was their only good rb. He eventually broke down because of it. white
only got all of the yards he got because he lead the country in carries, or was
close to it not because the utah coaches prefered it to be that way. white also
didn't perform very well against any of the good defenses he faced other than
BYU's and his production in that game came after they basicly quit. He had
pretty mediocre to bad games against every decent team and even some of the bad
ones (colorado ring a bell?).BYU on the otherhand had 4 good rb's
and used them all because they were all capable of doing the job. The production
of BYU's rb's actually exceeds whites in ypc and total yards. I'm
not knocking white, he's good, but he's not "vastly" superior by a
"teams such as Pitt, Montana State, U of A, WSU, OSU and UCLA, Hardly
football powerhouses and roughly the equal of the patsies on USU's / BYU's
schedules."No, most of the teams you cited above are not the
same as the weak part of BYU's schedule. The teams above have NFL talent on
them and the weak part of BYU's schedule may not have even one NFL prospect
among the whole lot of them (Idaho, ISU, NMSU, SJSU)."As I said
earlier Most BYU RB's could have done as well and Quezada, Alisa, Turbin and
Smith are most likely better than White."False. That is the most
absurd argument I may have ever heard on these boards. Even your fellow Cougs
will not support you there. If you asked Bronco candidly, he would prefer White
over any of his guys. And again, I don't understand how the USU guys are part
of the conversation in a Utah-BYU comparison. What part of it don't you
understand?Why do you continue to say that Utah had a good line when
you've bashed their line all year long.White finished 9th in the country
in rushing. He's good. Face it.
DevilishUte @ 2;31PM Dec 21White ran well against weak teams such as
Pitt, Montana State, U of A, WSU, OSU and UCLA, Hardly football powerhouses and
roughly the equal of the patsies on USU's / BYU's schedules. Here is
how White did against the 5 teams that Utah lost toUSC 20 carries for 56
ydsUW 14 carries for 35 ydsASU 17 carries for 85 ydsCAL 15
carries for 39 ydsCO 10 carries for 28 yds yup, the mighty Buffalo's who
had not won a road game in about 4 years.That adds up to a whopping 78
carries for 243 yds. or 3.2 yds per carry.As I said earlier Most BYU
RB's could have done as well and Quezada, Alisa, Turbin and Smith are most
likely better than White.White is not "vastly superior" to
any of the starting running backs in the state. Although I do think he is a good
RB, White was the beneficiary of weak opponents, a good O-line to run behind and
a desperate need the Utes had for a decent running back because no one else
MiP | 10:28 p.m. Dec. 21, 2011 Iowa City, IA ">>> I think it is because we have four pretty good backs and
you have one very good back.> How many yards did White have against Colorado?
"--Y Dad/GradUh. You do realize he got injured early in
the third quarter? Many of his yards came later in the game as he and the O-line
wore down defenses. But hey, why not rub it in to an injured player.Bad form. ____Fair enough, MiP, but in my defense, sometimes
cutting and pasting doesnt work too well in the DN comment section, but my
intent was still the same.DevilishUte made the statement that BYUs
committee of runningbacks got their average against a bunch of high school
teams. I was simply pointing out that Utahs high school opponent was Colorado.
10 carries, 28 yards. Bad form or not, its a fact.
DevilishUteIt's laughable that you try in vain to live in BYU's past
to ease the pain of Utah's present.#40 BYU(9-3) 168-48(78%) during
the Dave Rose era, 10 of last 11 versus Utah #317 Utah(3-8) 98-102(49%)
during the last 7 years, 1 of the last 11 versus BYU
Good for Apo. I didn't realize he was LDS. That may have played a big role in
way he chose BYU in the first place...and to stay.But enough with
ripping on Heaps, Y fans. For 8 insufferable months you posted on here how great
he was, particularly (as so many, many, many put it)_ in the last 6 games of
2010. I really don't think he's any worse then he was during that stretch. But
now that he is transferring, you'd think he was the scum of the Earth.That's bad form.====Hey, PortlandTrailBlazers, Honor Code may hate
BYU, but he also dislikes the U. He is NOT a Ute fan, so maybe you could
consider that in your next knee-jerk reaction post.===">>> I think it is because we have four pretty good backs and
you have one very good back.> How many yards did White have against Colorado?
"--Y Dad/GradUh. You do realize he got injured early in
the third quarter? Many of his yards came later in the game as he and the O-line
wore down defenses. But hey, why not rub it in to an injured player.Bad form.
Alright, I am going to settle all this byu-utah bashing. Although what has
happended in the past and what we anticipate in the future is important, what
the most important thing is how they are doing right now. Byu basketball and ute
ball are not even close-byu wins in a landslide. What about football? If byu
wins their bowl game they will finish in the top 25. On the other hand if utah
wins their bowl game by 50 they may get some votes but will fall short of the
top 25. Case closed.
PatriotFailure to pay attention. He's had a real QB since 4th Q of
the Utah State game and both have done just fine, thank you.But keep
4601 don't take away 54-10's joy in 54-10. It's obviously all he has!
re:Y Grad / Y DadYa and can you imagine what Ross could do with a
real QB instead of a Tim Tebow look a like?
Anyone notice how awesome Nelson played and how good BYU looked against Hawaii?
I think it was because he let his playmakers make plays instead of trying to do
it all himself. He didn't try to run it himself all the time like he normally
does, probably because he was injured. I hope Nelson learned something from
that. If he will just look to throw first and be patient in letting the play
develop before he gets all happy feet, BYU could be really good. When you have
stud receivers like BYU has, the quarterback shouldn't be trying to run it up
the middle all the time. He should be spreading the ball around and letting his
playmakers make the plays.
DevilishUte | 2:31 p.m. Dec. 21, 2011 Tempe, AZ "BYU has a
running back by committee situation"Why do you think that is? I
would submit that it is because there is not anybody that sticks out or has
feature back talent. >>> I think it is because we have four
pretty good backs and you have one very good back.> How many yards did White
have against Colorado?
I think Norm Chow has too much integrity to encourage a good player to leave BYU
to go to Hawaii. It is funny to read Utah fans trash BYU and for BYU
fans to not only trash Utah but also trash their own coach and program.As a fan of neither Utah nor BYU, I think the situation looks better for BYU
in their "non-conference" football status than for Utah in the lower
I will agree with one thing, I think Apo is your most talented player in Provo.
But now that Chow is officialy gone, if Heaps ends up in Hawaii, would Apo
transfer? Ya never know.
4601As bad as this Ute basketball team is - and it is REALLY,
REALLY, REALLY bad - we've already "blown" past your 1-26 gem. Kinda.
Ah, patriot, why'd ya have to go and do that??? Now you sound like Wayne. Been watching the reruns on BYUtv and Riley sure has some sweet
connections with those two! Had a few against USU with McKay that I'd forgotten
about. Sure would be nice to see McKay go out with a bang. But the
point is exactly what Ross said - earning trust with the quarterback. Both Ross
and Hoff have done exactly that, laying it all out, taking the hit and hanging
on to the ball. When Riley gets it close, which he has done well and is doing
better, they seal the deal. I like that!
54-10 | 1:29 p.m. Dec. 21, 2011 No, the ute 2-8 BB legacy, or
perhaps the 17-14 Colorado legacy is more memorable.
Yes, BYU and Apo are "back water" playing back water schools such as
Texas, Notre Dame, and especially some low level PAC-12 teams like the utes.
We'll do just fine, thank you.
Got to say I like Apo and Hoffman. Both are turning out to be good receivers and
good guys.Go Utes!
The comment thread is not complete until Patriot comes in with some remark from
out of left field that makes no sense. Someone should remind him that most of
Apo's receptions this year came not from Jake Heaps.
"BYU has a running back by committee situation"Why do you
think that is? I would submit that it is because there is not anybody that
sticks out or has feature back talent. "was the product of a
very good offensive line"? You Y's have continually bashed the
Utah line. Now they're good? Nice try to change your story midstream in an
attempt to prove your point. "Quezada(4.4), Alisa(5.4),
Kariya(4.0)Di Luigi(5.2)"Keep in mind those averages were
against HS teams. None of them would have had those types of averages in the
Utah system. How many yards did these guys have against Texas, Utah, TCU? And the fact remains that they are not in the Utah system. Your
argument is not based in fact. It's based on conjecture, a typical BYU fan
method. "Turbin or Smith from USU"Again, HS
schedule and I'm not sure what these guys have to do with a comparison between
Utah and BYU players. Care to enlighten me?
with Heaps gone who is going to throw the ball to Ross?? I guess he had better
learn to be a good blocker for Nelson.
@TheTruthApo is LDS and was before he ever came to BYU.
@ Serenity NowPlease allow me to take exception to your comment
about BYU fans bashing on Heaps. Let me remind you that the overwhelming
majority of Cougar fans have joined in wishing Jake Heaps and his family the
very best wherever he ends up. While a relative handful of commenters
continue to call him a quitter or whiner, most have been very kind to Jake.
From the day of his announcement, we almost universally have wished that he had
chosen to stay, redshirt a year, and be the anticipated star in 2013-2014.Yes, a few continue to bad-mouth him. It is these very few, who along
with the Salt Lake media, and numerous Ute trolls that keep the story alive.Collectively, we will continue to root for Jake Heaps wherever he ends
up.@ DevelishUteYou should be very thankful for JWIV who
was the bulk of Ute offense this season. Interesting article today about Norm
Chow presiding over the last place offenses in the PAC X+II this past two
seasons. 2010 at UCLA and 2011 at Utah. Wish Coach Chow all the very best at
Great news, I am glad Apo is staying. He is a quality receiver and more
importantly, a quality person. He represents the Y very well.
Hope he stays, he is part of the 54-10 legacy.
Serentity Now, stop taking things so seriously!! The bantor is meaningless, it
has no impact on anything eternal, and it is just plain fun to rant and rave as
a fan!!Go Heaps, win the Heisman!!I wish I could say I
hope the Utes do well, but I think I would be sick and have to repent for
DevilishuteI was with you until you said White was vastly superior to
anyone on the BYU roster. You can't be serious. White, who I think is a solid
RB, was the product of a very good offensive line, the ability to stay healthy
and a desperate need in Utah's backfield(no other decent rb's)White averaged 4.8
yds per carry. Quezada(4.4), Alisa(5.4), Kariya(4.0)Di Luigi(5.2)could have had
similar success running behind Utah's offensive line with as many carries as
White had. Even David Foote(11.2 ypc), who is way down on BYU's depth chart
could have had over a thousand yards with the number of carries White had. Turbin or Smith from USU are both better than White averaging 6.2 and 6.4 yds
respectively.Turbin had 12 more total yds than White on 62 less carries.
Do some homework if you want people to take you seriously.
@devlishdupeBut you see I have acknowledged, and posted, White is a
really good rb and probably better than any of BYU's. But outside of that
nothing on the utes offensive roster is worth getting excited over, none of
them. Their offense is absolutely terrible. You can try to justify it all you
want but the fact remains it is really bad.
DevilishUteI actually agree with you, to the extent that Utah's
skill players are certainly equal to the task. However, "John White IV is a
VASTLY superior RB than anyone on the BYU roster," I will take exception
with the word VASTLY.BYU has a running back by committee situation,
where JW4 gets nearly all of the opportunities. I think after this year, the
cougar RBs will prove to be more than adequate, albeit not better than JW4.
I find it interesting that a non-LDS player of color has embraced the BYU
culture than a LDS church memeber. Maybe BYU needs to recruit more guys like
Apo. They are out there by the way.
I didn't ever doubt Apo would stay with the success he's had. Why would he go
somewhere else? He's worked for his success and he'll stay to enjoy the results
of his efforts.Heaps, on the other hand, just doesn't understand that it's
necessary to pay his dues. He's been the wonderkid at every level of football
he's played in. Now he's unprepared and just expects the success to me handed to
him - when it's not, he quits and runs. )Kinda sums up his performance on the
field too)Best of luck to Jake.. Apo is making his own luck and
will reap much higher rewards.
A passionate fan base is great, but Cougar fans need to quit bashing Heaps and
his transfer decision. Like another poster mentioned, BYU's roster is full of
great players who began college elsewhere (Fangupo, Kaveinga, Nelson, etc.).Whether it's a divorce, an employee leaving a company, a member leaving
a church or other transfer situation, the human tendency to bad-mouth the person
leaving is unfortunate and says more about the small-mindedness of the critics
than it does of the person leaving...
@CougFaninTX 10:09I hope you're right. I hope these QBs, or at least
one or two of them, are able to perform at a high level. We're going to need it,
especially against teams such as Texas, Houston and Boise State who BYU is
scheduled to play in 2013 and beyond.@Civil 11:54I like
Apo a lot too. I'm so looking forward to watching him play over the next three
Apo has showed more class than just about any commenter on this board -- red or
blue:"Meanwhile, Apo said he wishes Heaps the best."I really didn't ask him (why he decided to transfer) and get into it.
I'm sure it's the best thing for him and his family," he said. "The
bottom line is, it was his choice and I told him I support him 100 percent with
whatever he wants to do.""
bballjunkie, from what I'm reading, JH is still playing football, still wants
to be a starting quarterback, still looking to play in the NFL. No, he's not
quitting playing football, he's leaving because he was told that he needed to
learn something about playing football. That's not quitting, he's crying!
Quack,Utah's offensive woes have nothing to do with the skilled
players' (WR, RB, TE)inadequacies. It has to do with the QB play. Hays is not
a D-1 QB. I've said it before and I'll say it again. I am still disappointed
with how the QB situation was handled.John White IV was 9th in the
country in rushing yards. He's much better than you give him credit for and I
will assume that your shortsightedness in this respect has to do with jealousy.
John White IV is a VASTLY superior RB than anyone on the BYU roster.
lovelessRead the posts before talking to find your answer...what a joke!
It was said more than once.
bballjunkie, seriously,dude? Who called Heaps a quitter. Would Heaps be
transferring if was still the starter? Of course not!! Heaps was told that he
needed to redshirt and learn how to be a college quarterback. He cried, had a
tantrum, and he is taking his 'talents' to another school where he will be
respected the way he feels he should. I can't remember reading that BM or Doman
had given up on Heaps being the starter, just the contrary!! Heaps wanted to the
be starter now and forever, regardless if he lost every game!!!! Quitter no, ENTITLED yes!!
@utahcountydupeI never said anything about Heaps to Apo or for that
matter even pumped Heaps at all. I have always hoped both would turn out to be
great but you'd be hard pressed to find any posts by me predicting greatness for
any player. I always take a wait and see approach. I'm also a "just
win" guy which means I don't care who the players are or what the
statistics are all I care about is winning. Riley or Heaps, Apo, Hoffman or
Jacobsen, I just don't care who makes the plays, just as long as someone does.
Just win baby, that's all I care about. I do love how you are so
obsessed with me that you bring me into it however. I love that.@sportsmanYea that's why utah was one of the worst offenses in D1
and probably was the worst in a so called "major" conference, because
their players are so good. LOL!
RE: CougFaninTX "re: ClarkHippo - The QB pipeline at BYU is full even
without Heaps.2012: Nelson, Lark, Munns, (Hill and Olsen to
redshirt)2013: Munns, Hill, Olsen2014: Hill, Olsen, Kuresa (Mangum
to redshirt)2015: Hill, Mangum, Olsen, Kuresa"Let me add
a wild-card to your names-- Hunter Moore, out of Mission Hills High School in
San Marcos, CA (San Diego County). He "grayshirted" this year. He'll
redshirt in 2014, after he returns from his mission. Kid exhibits the same
leadership skills as Nelson, but possesses a stronger arm. I completely agree
with you, the Cougs QB pipeline is very full & looking good! I wonder what
type of "pipeline" Heaps is going to find at any credible college that
he feels will show-off & fine tune his self-described NFL talent? How about
North Dakota State Bison? :-)
Sportsman101"all the skill positions at ut are better except the qb
position. point blank. i would take devonte christopher and dres anderson over
apo or hoffman anyday"It is plain to see that you will never be
a coach or player developer or talent scout or anything that has to do with
football. Too funny.
Quitter?You have to love BYU fans. So does that mean All the guys BYU
picked up and are having a impact on this years Cougar team are Quitters? HMMMM
seems like we are once again Y fans piling on Heaps for "being a
quitter" but it is ok that guys like fangupo, Kaveinga, Tollestrup, Unga,
Vea just on this years roster came to BYU after playing and committing
elsewhere.Spin this information Y fan, "quit being so two
sided".Heaps has every right (which I agree with) on leaving.
This does not make him a quitter.
re: HonorCode - Apo was one of the best Freshman WR's in the country this year.
He lived up to his hype. Most Top 25 teams would jump at the chance to have
him.re: ClarkHippo - The QB pipeline at BYU is full even without
Heaps.2012: Nelson, Lark, Munns, (Hill and Olsen to redshirt)2013: Munns, Hill, Olsen2014: Hill, Olsen, Kuresa (Mangum to
redshirt)2015: Hill, Mangum, Olsen, Kuresa
Honor Code,FYI, he was commited to Texas before coming to BYU, but
according to you I guess the University of Texas isn't Div. I???So
if BYU and Texas are Div. I schools, what does this make Utah? A Div. 9 school?
@so. cal reader all the skill positions at ut are better except the qb position.
point blank. i would take devonte christopher and dres anderson over apo or
CougFaninTX | 10:49 p.m. Dec. 20, 2011 Frisco, TX,Just like
Jake Heaps was going to be a national name and even take the Heisman trophy?Good yes, widely known and famous... no.BYU fans sure love
Apo is getting better, but a case of the "dropsies" continue to plague
his progression. It pains me to say, but Apo will probably develop into a
top-tier WR by his senior season.For the record, 2 of Utah's best
WRs didn't play this year in Denham (redshirt due to injury) and Gordon
HonorcodeIt is alway entertaining to read your comments. Your attempts to
dis-respect your obsession are particularly comical today. Apo is a fantastic
talent who will only get better for the next several seasons. In Hoffman and
Apo, BYU has the best two receivers in the state of Utah. They would both start
at any school in the PAC.Love that holiday cheer you peddle. Keep it
RE: Honor Code "Apo would not fit in at any other Division I program, he
knows it and he knows that playing the likes of a weaker WAC just makes him look
good every weekend after the first 4 games!" Very funny. LOL. And your team
up north will do what offensively with now your third OC in 3 years and a very
unproven, injury-prone QB who's still a question mark. Your offensive skill
players are? As your thinking about that, you might want to read the nat'l
analysts about Apo and Hoffman. IF they continue to progress as they already
have, and that's always a big if as it is with any player, they will easily be
playing on Sunday.
"Ideally, there's a lot of benefit to a freshman redshirting and learning
and getting up in the morning to lift and focusing on school and realizing they
want to play," the coach explained. Seems like wise counsel that
"coulda, shoulda, woulda" applied to Jake his freshman year. I'm far
from a Heaps fan, from the time he stepped onto campus with "cameras and
mics" a blazing. But, in his defense, kinda hard to take the keys away from
someone after two who's been driving the family car. Especially taking the keys
from someone the coaches threw the keys to and said "have fun
driving!" I'm glad Apo wants to stay. Look at the stark contrast between
the two. Apo is succeeding through hard work, effort and productivity on the
field. Heaps may have done the first two, but it was all important third aspect
that doomed him. I honestly can't see him succeeding at another college in such
a manner that the NFL will be interested in.
What a difference a year makes eh? Would anyone have imagined a year ago that
we'd be talking about Riley and Apo as the scoring combo going into next
year?It sends a message to all atheletes....God has given you just so
much, the rest is up to you. And careers can end on a single play, so enjoy the
moment.To those bustin' on Heaps, I'd say you ought to worry about
your own lives and unfullfilled dreams and leave the kid alone. The media and
many of us created the "persona" that Heaps himself believed in.
Would any of us have done better? Remember, Santa Clause is coming in just 5
But I thought it was going to be "Heaps to Apo" forever? Right Ducky?
lolAtleast this kid has heart and soul. Heaps is basically another
"robo qb". Has all the tools but no real love for the game or those
that play it.Good luck Apo, I hope you can recover from what Heaps
did to you.
The Dixie Kid I've been a big supporter of Heaps, but I'm very
disappointed in his decision to run from the challenge of losing his starting
job. I wish Jake success wherever he ends up, but, directly or indirectly, Jake
deserves to be ripped on for being a quitter instead of a fighter.McMahon > Heaps, and it's not even close
Anybody with a football IQ knew that Apo was the best grab during that recuiting
season (no offense to Jake...it's just easier to know how well a receiver is
going to pan out). Texas only offers to INCREDIBLY gifted receivers, which is
why I was so impressed that he decommitted from UT-Austin to come to BYU.I'm not sure that "Honor Code" has seen Apo play in more than
one game. Apparently, he doesn't realize that Apo scored touchdowns against Ole
Miss, Texas, and Utah (as well as a few WAC teams). However, I do agree with
"Honor Code" on one thing: Apo has been far better than his
competition all year long. I'm glad to hear that he's staying!
It's nice to read a story about a young man who made a commitment and who is
willing to persevere and honor his word despite setbacks. He'll be a better
person and player because of his struggles and his willingness to work hard and
learn from others.Jake could learn a lot from Apo.
Apo had some fantastic catches this year. I hope Nelson will use him
effectively. And yes, Apo is correct, BYU is an awesome place.
I love how Bronco rips on Jake indirectly.
When you set your mind to succeed and work hard things typically work that way.
Here's a young man that has seized an opportunity. I'm sure he was
hesitant about coming to BYU, unsure about himself and the Honor Code, and
now?Well... Merry Christmas Ute fans, he's staying and your OC
@CougFaninTXYou said - "Hoffman and Apo will become national
names the next two years.Apo and Weeks will be just as widely
publicized in 2014."Let's just hope the Cougars find a quality
QB to get them the ball. Apo is the man!
Apo would not fit in at any other Division I program, he knows it and he knows
that playing the likes of a weaker WAC just makes him look good every weekend
after the first 4 games!
Hoffman and Apo will become national names the next two years.Apo
and Weeks will be just as widely publicized in 2014.We have some
stud receivers on the team and in the pipeline.I wouldn't be
surprised if Mangum attracts one or two more WRs to LES in the upcoming
"I never had intentions of leaving. Even if I did have a rough season"
and Heaps wonders why he lost the team to Riley. Even the guy who brought him
here takes a slap at Jake. Essentially, you can be a quitter like Jake, or you
can pay your dues and put in the work like Ross.
What a stud. Can't wait to see what he can do in the coming years.