True, worf. You weren't responsible for Iraq. But the ones who were...? Man, I
can't remember them at all. Which party were they, anyway? Didn't somebody say
something about being "greeted as liberators"? Naw, nobody's THAT
Mark B,Some people see things as it is. Obama was against the Iraq
war, but harped of the benefits to the Iraq people, as if he himself was the
cause of it. I don't admire hypocrites. It wasn't me who stated the troops
would be home in six months.
In answer to worf's question, here's the way it's going to work. Worf will hate
every possible end to the Afghan conflict as long as Obama is president. But
however things wrap up, he'll be thrilled at whatever comes from a GOP prez.
Why did Obama wait three years to bring the troops home when he thought this was
a dumb war? Could have saved lives and money.What about the troops
How is the war over?We're just replacing troops with more
contractors. They'll still carry around guns, drive armored vehicles, and cost
us billions annually. Just look at how we're soaking billions into the Basra
fortress err consulate. If we really were "leaving" then why would we
be investing so much in security there?As long as there's oil in
that region, we're going to be there.
Given that our entry into this war was either a deliberate ruse played on the
American public or (the version the GOP prefers) simply an unbelievable cascade
of error, it's a wonder the Iraqis, with deaths exceeding 100,000, great
destruction and huge numbers of new refugees, don't throw stones at departing US
troops as they leave. Have we made some friends among the Iraqis? Maybe, but
let's not be too surprised when new enemies come out of the mess we leave
You make some valid points, but we must never go to war on false pretenses.
If it was necessary to fully win every war, then countries would never stop
fighting until they either won, or were utterly defeated to the point that they
were uncapable of fighting, and this includes the utter destruction of the
losing country.Fact is there reaches a point where it is no longer
advantagious to continue fighting, even though a country may not have won. This
is the situation we are in here. By continuing the fight, there is more that
will be lost than will be gained.We can't afford this war any more.
Most of Americas great presidents have been war time presidents and this is
motivation for vain presidents to desire war to make them great to history. This
was a major motivator for Bush's Iraq war, even after his father told him don't
This is the first time an argument has been made to make war upon a
"friendly", sovereign nation in order to maintain an occupation and
continue to risk the lives of American personnel. Also, it is the only place
anti-goverment conservatives are willing to waste taxpayer money and increase
debt just to satisfy a political grudge.It is time Iraqis determine
the fate of Iraq. The United States had no reason to make war in Iraq in the
first place. Now it has no right to impose its will on another nation,
particularly when that nation doesn't want us there, wants us leave sooner than
later, and we had agreed (under a Republican administration, at that!) to leave.
With Republican candidates like Mitt Romney, Rick Perry, Michelle Bachmann, and
Rick Santorum frothing estatic to start a war with Iran, the lessons of Iraq
need to be understood outside the bubble of partisan verbage. It should be
noted that none ever served the nation in times of military crisis, but they are
quick to send others to fight a war ginned up by political expediency. Like Dick Cheney and Newt Gingrich, these folk seem to
"regret" that they did not have the "opportunity to fight for
their country" and are willing to start a war to make a useless point
regarding their patriotism. Perhaps, they also had "better things to do
with their time" than establish a knowledge of war and its consequences.Cheney and Gingrich used deferments until they were no longer under
threat of the draft during the Vietnam conflict. Similarly, Romney went on a
church mission in France rather than choose to serve. Perry, unlike Bush,
served in the Air Force although never facing hostile fire. And Santorum,
perhaps the most hawkish with Bachmann, never served, never chose to volunteer
even though he was such an enthusiastic supporter of the Iraq war.Makes you think!!
Your objectives for the war shift with the sands of political convenience. Why
did we go in? Weapons of mass destruction. And probably to exact revenge on
Saddam Hussein. That's it. Now the Republicans don't want to let go. We did
what we set out to do. The Iraqis want us out. It's their country, after all.
Period. End of story. Don't make more of it. The world is not a perfect place
and never will be. Iraq was a thorn before and probably will be in the future.
Are we going to go to war everywhere and over everything? If you are a
Republican, the answer is yes. Now the GOP is talking about going to war
against Iran, and they still refuse to pay for the trillion dollar Iraq war. It
is madness! Mark my word, if a Republican wins the White House in 2012, we will
go to war again. No thanks!
Back when we started this exercise, I asked what 'winning' would look like. I
still don't know. Iraq was supposed to turn into nebraska even before the
'mission accomplished' banner went up. We would be welcomed as liberators, and
the fried chicken and old wonderful world of disney reruns could start rolling
in. That didn't happen, and I just don't know what value we got out of the
exercise. And, when the invasion started, no one dared talk of cost. Even now
very few do. Not only in lives, but in dollars.
The United States never should have gone in to Iraq in the first place. If
removing Saddam from power was the goal, there were much better ways to
accomplish that. But this was not a war of necessity, and it was never about
Saddam. It was all about mid-east oil and colonial and imperialistic objectives
pushed by the Neo-Cons of the Bush Administration. Before the war Iraq wasn't a
military threat to the United States. But as the country becomes politically and
economically aligned with other Islamic nations including Iran, it may very well
pose a great danger. This is the potential threat that the military is worried
about as we draw down our forces from Iraq and then from Afghanistan It is
worth noting, that although invited, no Iraqi official attend the withdrawal
So if I get your editorial right, you are blaming Obama for withdrawing too
early while acknowledging that the withdrawal date was negotiated by G.W. Bush.
You really cant't have it both ways.