Utah Utes basketball: Utes show some life in loss to Cougars

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  • BigRich Orem, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 11:35 a.m.

    As an ASU alum, I can easily say that ASU has way too many problems caused by those upstairs running the sports program. They have made a mess of their entire sports output. The only bright spot has been the women's softball team. Whittingham would inherit a no win situation.

    Sitting on the ball was a smart move by Utah's coach. It gave them a slight chance to stay close. Had they tried to run with the Cougs, BYU would have found its rhythm early and the outcome far worse. Utah is going to need at least three years to rebuild. Give 'em a break unless you can walk on and to it better.

    BYU will find out how much it has improved Saturday.

  • Cali Coug Visalia, CA
    Dec. 12, 2011 9:38 p.m.

    So signs of life means losing to BYU in both men and women's basketball.

    I liked the effort of utah...coach Kry is doing the best with what he has, if he had the players he had at Montana it would have been a much better game...still a lose but a better game.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 5:31 p.m.


    The ONLY D1 team with a winning record that Utah beat was BYU, but, unlike Utah, BYU didn't lose to one of the worst teams in the country, AT HOME.

    BYU's losses:

    Utah's losses:

  • jazzer St. George, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 11:20 a.m.

    BYU did not beat a single good team this year in football. Dont even try to say Ole Miss is good. Utah deserves to be in the Pac 12. Im not so sure they would do all that good in Pac. Just my opinion

  • JayDee West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 11, 2011 11:14 p.m.

    @ motorbike (Nice to see you again)

    Why would you not refute one aspect of my earlier post on this article.

    Also, if you actually go over to the BYU article where I referenced Loveridge (not on this article by the way) you would immediately see that the statement was tongue-in-cheek. (Hint* no one puts a P.S. on their letter of intent.) The sarcastic implication was that U of U hoops has slipped so much, that a high school team of the caliber of West Jordan would be an improvement.

    You're much too sensitive. You need a "just kidding" detector.
    I hope someone gives you a sense of humor for Christmas.

    I sincerely hope you have a great holiday season!

  • FYI Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 11, 2011 11:05 p.m.

    "BYU shot 39% FG, 33% 3-PT, had their lowest scoring output of the season"

    Correction their lowest scoring output was against Wisconsin where they only scored 56.

  • FYI Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 11, 2011 11:03 p.m.

    "Lucky for the utes they had PAC 12 officials."

    Official are assigned to games, and while they may work one conference more that others, there is no such thing as conference officals in college basketball, so consequently no PAC 12 officials.

    "even though they were the fall back plan for the PAC 12."

    That's ok they are in good company. Harrison Ford was the fall back plan for "Raiders", Tom Hanks was the fall back plan for Forrest Gump, or and that's right, Bronco Mendenhall was the fall back plan for the Y.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 11, 2011 11:01 p.m.

    JayDee -

    I'll simply point to another post of yours... the one where you state knowing that Jordan Loveridge is demanding the U hire West Jordan's coach and bring 2 of Loveridge's teammates up to the hill with him or he'll head to a different school.

    That earlier post of yours is proof enough that you have no idea what you're talking about.

  • 54-10 WHOOPTY DOO! bountiful, ut
    Dec. 11, 2011 8:48 p.m.

    Looks like the 54-10 debacle/Heaps going away present will be the only win of the academic year for the Utes in the Deseret Duel...... How is the rumble in the rockies gonna pan out? Only victory coming in Gymnastics? Well, luckily we have a few months before we see how futile that 'rivalry' went when all the dust settles and we move on to Season 2012-13. Looking very forward to September 15th...... I guarantee it won't be a 44 point sandblast... Of that you can be certain! Oh congrats Cougar women for also beating da Utes this weekend. :) Great weekend to be a Cougar!

  • PAC 12 loves U Sandy, Utah
    Dec. 11, 2011 8:48 p.m.

    @ 3grandslams

    "I'm always confused that Utah fans have become such elitists even though they were the fall back plan for the PAC 12. To pose a question like you did is pure arrogance".

    Fall back plan? When are you Cougies going to give that up? Utah was joining the Pac-10 regardless of how the conference expands; Pac-12 (Utah and Colorado) or the Pac-16 (Utah, Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State). The Pac-10 was never an option for Texas A&M because they don't want to follow Texas around. They wanted to join the SEC (A&M has already been accepted into the SEC one year later). The Pac-10 doesn't want Baylor and who can blame them? Those Cougie fans who say otherwise are arrogant!

    When you have a conference of high academics such as Cal, Stanford, and UCLA. The high profiled athletics of USC and Oregon. You need to be an "elite" school with "elitist" attitudes to compete with these schools. Utah fans are adjusting to their new "elite" role being a member of the Pac-12. Sorry Cougies, Utah is no longer a mid-major school.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Dec. 11, 2011 8:22 p.m.

    re:jazzer YES!!! The difference between the Y and the U are almost nill. Neither has the same strength but each can hold their own. I'm always confused that Utah fans have become such elitists even though they were the fall back plan for the PAC 12. To pose a question like you did is pure arrogance.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Dec. 11, 2011 8:22 p.m.

    Utes show some life? Really? I think the only life out there was when the football boys showed up to cheerlead the red chairs.

    Hilarious to hear that Whit is reported to be being looked at by Penn State and others. Can you imagine Chow taking the reins? That would be funny.

    And this was a basketball story?

    Oh, that's par, utes don't count basketball this year.

  • Nobelpromise PROVO, UT
    Dec. 11, 2011 7:52 p.m.

    As a fan I desire that Utah be able to play teams it can win and in return earn respect of opposing fans, sports media and college posters. This 1-8 season in a PAC12 is indicative of the greatness of the conference and shows Utah cannot compete with this great of conference. Playing such great non coference teams like Utah has played is not good to make for a good record and makes Utah be not as good when it is a BCS power. Teams like Boise, San Diego Christian, Montana St. are to good for Utah if we are going to have wins before PAC12 is started. Not being on tv is not good without even some money for not being on it for all these years. Hopefully schedulers will schedule teams from Big West, Midwestern, NAIA, Big Sky conferences so Utah can have wins but rankings probably won't happen even with them.

  • jazzer St. George, UT
    Dec. 11, 2011 6:56 p.m.

    Do any Byu fans actually think Byu would do better in the Pac-12 (football)?

  • SportsCenter Olympus Cove, Utah
    Dec. 11, 2011 4:53 p.m.


    Losing to a 10-loss team (once at home; once by a shutout) is infinitely more embarrassing than losing by a wide margin to a decent team.

    And, having your heart ripped out after nearly tasting victory, is infinitely harder to deal with than being blown out.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Dec. 11, 2011 4:27 p.m.

    Well one thing for sure, the Utes did go down swinging. There's a difference between playing with intensity and playing dirty. The Utes chose the later. Lucky for the utes they had PAC 12 officials or they would have all fouled out in the first half. I'm glad Hartsock only escaped with a black eye.

  • JayDee West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 11, 2011 3:30 p.m.

    @ motorbike (I can't believe you care enough to post @ 1:28 A.M.)

    Since you claim I have "zero idea what [I'm] talking about," yet refuse to even refute one item. let me take what I posted point by point and you show me the errors. I await your response.

    1) Jiggy Watkins has packed on some pounds.

    2) I question what purpose does it serves to intentionally foul down by 19 with eight seconds left in the game?

    3) I credit the U for the hold-the-ball game plan (which worked with success early) and state it may have worked had they stayed close throughout.

    4) I question running the shot clock down when trailing by 18 with less than five minutes remaining (It's akin to stubbornly running the football with 7:30 left in the fourth trailing by four touchdowns.)

    5) The Boylen comment ... just a dig. (I couldn't resist.)

    6) After half, the Utes played to not be blown out...not to win. Sad! If you see it differently, please explain.

    7) The PAC 12 does not represent the best basketball being played out west.

  • I'll call it Ogden, UT
    Dec. 11, 2011 3:27 p.m.

    So much hate from "so called Cougar fans" and "so called Ute fans". Some of you are full time trolls. I doubt any of you even graduated from either institution. Now, go and ask your parents if Santa Clause is coming this year.

    The rivalry is over... Football and Basketball.

    I can only hope they suspend the schedule for both sports. At least for a few season.

    You zealots ruin the party every time. Get a life and start respecting yourself! Yah you!

  • TheHailstorm South Weber, UT
    Dec. 11, 2011 3:24 p.m.

    @ ThomasJefferson
    or the 48-24 embarrassment
    or the 51-17 beat down , when two of the "Y " victories came from last second miracles.
    54-10 should be that easy to forget as it will just take another place next to the other spankings dished out during the Whittingham era.

  • SportsCenter Olympus Cove, Utah
    Dec. 11, 2011 3:05 p.m.


    Unfortunately true. Utah fans don't travel all that well to begin with and it's very unlikely that many of them are going to be excited about spending New Years Eve in El Paso to watch a 7-5 team that fell woefully short of expectations this season.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 11, 2011 2:54 p.m.

    SG Child

    What about the Sun Bowl? Utah fans are so excited about playing in the Sun Bowl that the Utes will be lucky to have 2,000 fans in El Paso.

    EVERYBODY, except apparently Utah fans who are in denial, is interested in seeing their team ranked in the final Top 25.

    Guaranteed, BYU will have many more fans in the Armed Forces Bowl than Utah will have fans in the Sun Bowl.

  • SammyG Child ALTAMONT, UT
    Dec. 11, 2011 1:54 p.m.

    Sports fan,
    Ever heard of the Sun Bowl. Yeah that what that gets you. It keeps your team and fans interested in the season until the last play of the last game. It makes it so your season doesn't end on Sept. 17th. Who cares who is ranked 106th or 26th? No one.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Dec. 11, 2011 1:24 p.m.

    That COULD have been signs of life. It could also have been a death rattle.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Dec. 11, 2011 1:11 p.m.


    I don't always agree with Barry Switzer, but in this case he's spot on - one game does not a season make.

    Of course when you have little else to show for the season, you cling to whatever you can.

    BYU is playing for another 10+ win season and Top 25 finish.

    Utah will have to live with the fact that the Utes couldn't even beat a 2-10 at home to win a pathetically weak division.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    Dec. 11, 2011 11:57 a.m.

    I would think the utes can beat Idaho St, if they can't/don't, it will be a sad day for the utes.

  • royalblue Alpine, UT
    Dec. 11, 2011 11:33 a.m.

    After all of the spin,

    BYU shot 39% FG, 33% 3-PT, had their lowest scoring output of the season, but held Utah to their lowest point total in the series since the 40's, and the Cougars won comfortably in the HC for the third straight year, 6 straight BYU wins, and 10 of the last 11.

    BYU turns its attention to trying to pull off an upset of 6th ranked Baylor.

    Utah turns its attention to trying to beat 283rd ranked Idaho State for their first D1 win.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 11, 2011 11:15 a.m.

    phoenix -

    Whittingham knows that he's accomplished all he can at Utah and it's time to move on. Arizona State would be a great fit -- more resources, much larger fanbase, much richer history.

    Go ahead and let us all know when Whitt takes that ASU job.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Dec. 11, 2011 11:04 a.m.


    "Penn State has contacted Utah head coach Kyle Whittingham about its coaching vacancy, according to CBS Sports. According to the report, Whittingham still has interest in the Arizona State opening."

    Whittingham knows that he's accomplished all he can at Utah and it's time to move on. Arizona State would be a great fit -- more resources, much larger fanbase, much richer history.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Dec. 11, 2011 10:53 a.m.

    Somebody's Child

    The biggest difference between 54-10 and 61-42 is:

    54-10 gets you:
    BYU(9-3) ranked #26 Coaches, #29 AP, #41 Sagarin
    Utah(7-5) unranked Coaches, unranked AP, #38 Sagarin

    61-42 gets you:
    BYU(7-2) #44 Sagarin
    Utah(0-8) #329 Sagarin

  • bribri86 Phoenix, AZ
    Dec. 11, 2011 10:50 a.m.

    Still clinging to Football SammyG? How does this sound 14-17 against a 2-10 team at home. At least BYU's loss to Utah was to a team with a winning record. Oh, and please take Jake Heaps so BYU can destroy Utah with him at the helm. So many promises by Jake, so little delivery. Next year will hopefully be different, but for Today, we have Basketball. This will be a long winter for the Utes! LOL

  • bribri86 Phoenix, AZ
    Dec. 11, 2011 10:44 a.m.

    That was life shown by Utah? Wow! I would hate to see them without life then. That was pathetic.

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    Dec. 11, 2011 10:34 a.m.

    Alright then, if scoring the fewest points against your rival in almost 70 years is considered "showing some life", knock yourself out.

    Sagarin still has the Utes ranked ahead of 16 teams, so I guess there's still some hope there.

    #44 BYU
    #100 WSU
    #151 USU
    #176 UVU
    #301 SUU
    #329 Utah (out of 345 D1 teams)

    Which of these is not like the others?

    17 Stanford
    34 California
    53 Arizona
    78 Washington
    80 Oregon
    98 Oregon State
    106 Washington State
    139 Colorado
    149 Arizona State
    161 Southern California
    222 UCLA
    329 Utah

    Since Sagarin only counts D1 games, the Utes are still officially winless in his rankings. Utah's last three non-conference games, and probably only remaining opportunities to pick up a D1 win:

    #283 Idaho State
    #182 Portland
    #126 Weber State

  • TandJ LaVerkin, Utah
    Dec. 11, 2011 10:31 a.m.

    Hey, according to one poster, Utah has a CHANCE to beat Idaho State.
    Go Tattoo U

  • SammyG Child ALTAMONT, UT
    Dec. 11, 2011 10:29 a.m.

    Anyone who talks about an embarrassing loss at home to a rival is off their rocker. 54-10 ring a bell???

  • itsajelly Walla Walla, WA
    Dec. 11, 2011 10:28 a.m.

    Proficiency at dribbling the ball for 30 seconds at a time and boring the crap out of all who watched? Brutal. Nice "by my calculations they can't beat us by more than 20 if we do this," tactic.

  • oliverwhaley Orem, UT
    Dec. 11, 2011 9:46 a.m.

    Things could get alot worse for the Utes:

    Report: Penn State Contacts Utah Head Coach Kyle Whittingham
    NCAA, Penn State

    Penn State has contacted Utah head coach Kyle Whittingham about its coaching vacancy, according to CBS Sports. According to the report, Whittingham still has interest in the Arizona State opening.

    Whittingham, 52, has been the head coach at Utah since 2005, when Urban Meyer left to become the head coach at the University of Florida. Whittingham has a 65-25 record as a head coach and is 6-1 in bowl games. He was named the AFCA Coach of the Year in 2008.

    Penn State has been looking for a new head coach since legendary coach Joe Paterno was fired during the Jerry Sandusky scandal. According to ESPN, interim head coach Tom Bradley will be in charge until the Nittany Lions bowl game.

  • Louisiana Cougar Pineville, LA
    Dec. 11, 2011 8:45 a.m.

    Utah has a chance to beat Idaho State this week and may be able to beat Portland as well.

    Go Utes!

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 11, 2011 8:36 a.m.

    Lots of spin by the utes to rationalize this at-home drubbing. Being a gracious loser rather than bragging up their effort would have been better. The Utah Man attitude was - if your team loses and no one sees it, is it really a loss? The Cougars let the score do the talking.

  • nunya sacramento, ca
    Dec. 11, 2011 3:01 a.m.

    well, imma say it for y'all...fire that coach, fire that coach, fire that coach....i can't believe a coach would ever game plan like that.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 11, 2011 1:23 a.m.

    JayDee -

    You have zero idea what you're talking about. I won't bother elaborating because it's more than obvious it wouldn't do any good.

  • BluCoug Provo, UT
    Dec. 11, 2011 12:23 a.m.

    "Utes show some life"

    Really? After they put up their lowest scoring output of the season? They are clinging onto life support at this point.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Dec. 11, 2011 12:18 a.m.


    In that memorable 1996-97 1-25 BYU Basketball Season, BYU scored 32 points in a 42 point loss against New Mexico.

    BYU did much better against Utah, scoring 49 points in a 36 point loss.

    And yes, there are living witnesses.

    And yes, it still counts.

    See, it's easy to come up with stats showing how well your rivals have performed.

  • JayDee West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 10, 2011 11:23 p.m.

    Sorry, there is a factual error in my last post. Utah did, at one point in time, score fewer points in a basketball game against BYU. But, I wonder if there are no living witnesses to it, even though it's in the books, does it still count?

  • JayDee West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 10, 2011 11:17 p.m.

    Well, Jiggly (yes, I said Jiggly...check out his arms) is right about one thing. The Utes did come to play for the full 40 minutes.

    That was an amazing foul chasing down Cusick? back and forth in the backcourt with 8 seconds left, down by 20ish? so U could get the ball back and....what?...win? It was indicative of most of the game with no focus on actually winning (see stallball tactics down by 14-18 points with less than five minutes remaining), but rather the fruitless and laughable continuation of a game plan that may have actually worked had the U been able to stay within 6-8 points. Here's the worst indictment...Boylen would have coached a better game.

    As anyone who watched could conclude, the Runnin' Utes crawled, playing so as to not be embarrassed. Funny, that seems to me to be more embarrassing (and pathetic) than playing to win.

    But, as per Coach K, you are improving (lowest point total ever against BYU notwithstanding). Well Done! Don't worry, you will appear much improved when you get to the easy (PAC12) part of the season.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 10, 2011 7:35 p.m.

    Really? This is what utah basketball is reduced to?

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 10, 2011 5:25 p.m.

    Nice spin Dirk, but it's been almost 70 years since Utah failed to score more than 42 points against BYU.

    Playing keep away for 30 seconds EVERY possession was obviously a miserable failure. There is no solace in a 19-point loss at home to your arch rival just because it wasn't quite as bad as Utah's worst HC loss earlier in the week.