Brad Rock: Rock on: USU bowl game, Jake Heaps

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  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Dec. 11, 2011 5:58 p.m.

    "Name me one QB currently starting in the NFL that transferred schools. I doubt there is one."

    Uh, Cam Newton.

    The difference between Nelson and Heaps: Nelson is a fighter.

    And while Heaps likely would have won vs those "lesser" opponents too, Nelson certainly made a difference in the Utah State game, as Y Dad already mentioned. Of course, the "discovery" of Michael Alisa helped Nelson in later games, the Utah game probably would have been closer. Why? Nelson's a fighter.

    And now Nelson has a chance to prove it vs decent competition in the AF Bowl.
    "Akron football coach Rob Ianello was fired via cell phone as he was driving to his mother's funeral."

    That's pretty bad. And here I had such respect for the Zips.

  • Noblepromise PROVO, UT
    Dec. 9, 2011 12:28 a.m.

    Heaps transferring or any other starting QB in Div 1A football transferring is usually associated with change in Offensive Coordinator or Head coach and that player losing the starting position. I think this whole Heaps issue is reflection of BYU Offensive coordinator change from Anae to Doman. Heaps was recruited for a different offensive scheme (pure drop back passer) and now the offensive is run and shoot type, putting QB emphasis on mobility and through pass on the move outside of a pocket protection. The real issue is how BYU handled a recruit like Heaps effect future blue chip athletes out of high school. As Y fan, we want wins against the schedule opponents and to have the team ranked in the top 25 during the season and to play in a bowl game against a another top 25 ranked team. If BYU 9-3 season was in PAC12, Big10, Big12, SEC, Big East, or ACC conference instead of being independent; BYU would be ranked in the top 25 and playing a postseason bowl with more prestige than Armed Forces Bowl. Isn't ranking all about being noticed besides more money and prestige?

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Dec. 8, 2011 8:47 a.m.


    Alas, many of us BYU fans aren't even that honest. We'll wait to see if he is successful elsewhere, and THEN we'll brand him a traitor. Otherwise, we're perfectly content to throw mud at his back as he leaves.

    I wish we could be more civil about that part.

  • VAggie Bristow, United States
    Dec. 8, 2011 1:52 a.m.

    comparing any of those players (Rodgers or Newton)to Heaps is absurd. Rodgers transferred up because he was good enough, Newton transferred so his dad would make money. Heaps is transferring because he is a terrible QB, and couldn't make the cut at BYU. He'd be a solid FCS starter, but he's a backup. With no NFL talent.

    Also to all the BYU fans who think Heaps is a traitor or disloyal, do you remember how you got Riley?

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Dec. 7, 2011 5:28 p.m.

    Wayne Rout

    Once again, Wayne, no matter how many times you say it, it just ain't so.

    Riley is throwing fairly decent and his receivers are making him look good.

    Jake? No matter how many stars, and no matter why, too many passes ended up on the ground. No coach can find a way to use a quarterback who doesn't complete passes. He completed them LAST year. Just not this year.

    Those in favor of leaving him in until he does figure out how to complete them, raise your hand? That's what I thought.

    Now if you want to talk about undeveloped talent, fine! Do it. But quit sayin Riley can't throw. It just isn't so.

  • Portland Beavers SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 1:09 p.m.

    Joe Flaco-Baltimore
    Cam Newton & Aaron Rogers JC Schools

    No invite to PAC-12 never will be one

    Dec. 7, 2011 11:55 a.m.

    @Cougar Nation #1 | 7:00 a.m. Dec. 7, 2011
    Provo, UT
    Actually, Jake Heaps holds almost all the freshman QB passing records at BYU.

    That's because there aren't true freshman who play quarterback at BYU.

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Dec. 7, 2011 10:23 a.m.

    Now this is the Rock On we're all used to, which is why I've stopped reading his articles. No thanks.

  • Subscriber Magna, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 9:35 a.m.

    Didn't Heaps break some freshman records last year?

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Dec. 7, 2011 9:04 a.m.

    I read somewhere that of the so-called "Super 11," which included Jake (where his skills shined), only Jake and one other AFTER TWO YEARS has even had much playing time. Not much of a QB recruit bunch that year.

  • Woodworker Highland, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 8:15 a.m.

    Mr. Rock,
    You have talent as a writer, but it's disappointing you resort to making fun of others and mocking them. I've used the same type of speech in my life and am trying to change. Athletes, like Jake Heaps, are still young in life. They need words of encouragement and truth, not jeering and mockery. As a member of our community and a professional writer, I invite you to change the tenor of your "Rock On" articles to be positive in nature. No one benefits from this type of humor. As I try to improve my speech habits, I hope the new year will find you thinking over your writing style. Another poison pen or sharp tongue is not needed in this world. Thank you.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Dec. 7, 2011 7:55 a.m.

    Bronco's dream of a national championship apparently depends on walk-ons. The Doman offense has made even last year's offense look inspired. Some more house cleaning is necessary. When a coaching staff cannot find a way to use a four star QB there's something wrong with the coaching staff. When a coaching staff elects to use a quaterback who can't throw the ball, there's something wrong with the coaching staff. Last year Bronco fired some good people...let's hope this year he will fire Doman and then resign himself.

  • Cougar Nation #1 Provo, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 7:00 a.m.

    Actually, Jake Heaps holds almost all the freshman QB passing records at BYU.

  • nehu Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 6, 2011 8:00 p.m.

    True enough that if Nelson doesn't come into the USU game BYU loses that as well. As an Aggie, although slightly uncomfortable, I do admire Nelson's grit. Although BYU beat us I am still not convinced Nelson would have started in Logan either way, which is probably rare to have a BYU starter that wouldn't start in Logan but I really like Kennedy and Keeton.

    Brad you are arrogant, granted Boise is not close to the tropics but you don't have to be so arrogant, it's unfortunate Des News supports your below the belt ways.

    As far as Heaps goes, good luck wherever you land. In retrospect Jake wasn't up for the challenge. I do not think Doman and Bronco were the best coaches to support Jake but truthfully Jake simply seemed to lack heart. A QB has to have heart/desire. Especially when he is still unproven, which Jake is. So much for Rival's rating.

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    Dec. 6, 2011 7:17 p.m.

    Here's another QB who transferred:

    Cam Newton, from Florida (D1A) to Blinn College (D2?) to Auburn (D1A)

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    Dec. 6, 2011 7:14 p.m.

    "Name me one QB currently starting in the NFL that transferred schools"

    Joe Flacco, from Pitt (D1A) to Delaware (D1AA).

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Dec. 6, 2011 5:04 p.m.

    Re: Brave Sir Robin

    The "it's the opponent" excuse doesn't fly. Even when Heaps did get in the games against the "weaker" opponents he didn't look good. He had his chances to win the starting job back, and he couldn't do it. Now he's tucking tail and running. It didn't work for Ben Olson. I very much doubt it will work for Heaps. Name me one QB currently starting in the NFL that transferred schools. I doubt there is one.

    And I doubt there are many backups in the NFL who transferred schools either.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Dec. 6, 2011 5:01 p.m.

    Brave Sir Robin

    I'll agree with you to this extent (I'm sure you are gratified): I don't think the outcome would have been different with Riley in the Utah game. But I don't think it would have been the humiliation that it turned out to be. After all, we had nearly the same type of melt-down against TCU, clearly a superior team to Utah, and yet Riley kept us a lot closer than Jake did against Utah.

    And who knows, if Riley had fielded that first errant snap, instead of Jake missing it, it could have been an entirely different game. But I digress.

    To say that Nelson is no better than Heaps is playing the same foolish game of what ifs, with one exception: you HAVE to acknowledge that Jake was losing the Utah State game after three quarters and some change; Riley came in and rallied the troops for a victory. If you can't acknowledge that, you got no business talking serious football.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Dec. 6, 2011 3:58 p.m.

    @Tom in CA

    "What would have happened with Nelson as starter in the Utah game, I wonder."

    You don't have to wonder - Nelson played a bunch in that game. His final stats: 3-6 for 38 yards, 1 fumble returned for a touchdown.

    This is what I've been trying to tell you guys all's not the quarterback, it's the opponent! Nelson looked so much better than Heaps after the Heaps benching because that's when BYU's schedule went full-on creampuff. Heaps would have won all those games handily, too. Those opponents were just so far below BYU's level at every position that my dead grandma could have quarterbacked BYU to a bunch of victories. But against the good teams on BYU's schedule, neither QB did anything because neither of them is that good.

    Yes, that's right - Nelson is no better of a QB than Heaps. He just got lucky to come in at the right time (when the schedule went downhill). But to Nelson's credit, at least he attempted to tackle the ball carrier after he fumbled in the Utah game, unlike Heaps.

  • VAggie Bristow, United States
    Dec. 6, 2011 3:39 p.m.

    Jake Hypes. He wont start at a competitive BCS school. He'd be 3rd string at USU right now. Because Kennedy is undefeated and Keeton is a stud. As for the Utes, Heaps would be 4th behind Shreve.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Dec. 6, 2011 3:19 p.m.

    The real Heaps question is where he's headed next with his redshirt, Jr. and Sr. years. Washington State? Boise State? Maybe Sarkesian would want him at Washington. I think he'll have a tough road ahead...

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Dec. 6, 2011 3:16 p.m.

    @patriot - can't blame this all on the offense, truly great players show they can adapt to different offensive schemes. Even if it's become run first all Heaps had to do was fake a handoff then step back and throw the ball. He had many chances this season to even just show some gumption but he failed and lost the starting job to someone who could execute. It's just too bad that he's showing this color and giving up rather than facing his troubles and correcting them. What a shame.

  • golfrUte SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 6, 2011 3:03 p.m.


    Byu never received an invite to the PAC 12 or Big 12.

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    Dec. 6, 2011 2:52 p.m.

    I think Heaps is overrated.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Dec. 6, 2011 2:03 p.m.

    Maybe "sunshine"

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Dec. 6, 2011 1:50 p.m.

    re: whatinitforme, "streaker for target practice", that was hillarious. Great post, I had forgot about him chucking the ball at the kid. Nice.

    I'm going to start calling Nelson, "California" just for his hair! He's got the same attitude.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Dec. 6, 2011 1:24 p.m.

    Get over it. Heaps is a practice phenom, not a game phenom. Until he realizes that himself, he won't be any better anywhere else. Maybe his new coach can help him to realize it. Apparently, Bronco didn't know how.

    Bet the other QBs on BYU's roster are feeling a lot better now. Bronco sacrificed Lark's chances to keep Jake happy and give Jake every opportunity. Heaps is only capable against weak defenses--his first option is nearly always open.

    Can't wait to see what Riley does next (besides win games). For example, high-fiving a ref, using a streaker for target practice, etc. Kid's a hoot!

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Dec. 6, 2011 1:02 p.m.

    Think about it:

    Without the spectacular play of the Cougar defense, we lose the Ole Miss game. If Riley had played the second half, BYU would have the "W" against Texas - my opinion. What would have happened with Nelson as starter in the Utah game, I wonder.

    I say Heaps got plenty to prove himself. It didn't work out.

  • JD Tractor Iowa City, IA
    Dec. 6, 2011 1:01 p.m.

    To bad for Heaps. He was surrounded in a football fraternity. He was getting advice from Steve Young, Ty Detmer, Robbie Bosco, Doman, etc. I bet even McMahon called and said, "Dude grow up, take a red-shirt, pay your dues."

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Dec. 6, 2011 12:47 p.m.


    I just don't see it that way. The offense as it now stands has been tweaked a little to accommodate Riley but what we did at the beginning of the season should have been right up his alley. But he missed too many passes, and when he hit his receivers, they missed to many catches.

    I don't know why they couldn't catch more of his passes. But you have to have noticed, lately even Apo has been catching more and looking more like the receiver he was billed to be all along.

    Now if anybody could help McKay to catch more of what is thrown his way...

  • deseret pete robertson, Wy
    Dec. 6, 2011 12:45 p.m.

    Boise State was ranked # 7 and they didn't get a BCS game or even a good bowl for their one loss record, so ranklngs don't mean much with the powers that be.Although they claim to use them for the selction of teams to the bowls unless of course it involves a non automatic qualifer.Until the system is fixed there it will continue to be a mess

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 6, 2011 11:43 a.m.

    re:Johnny Triumph

    Jake's problems were with Brandon Doman and his offense. Jake had no problem with the Anae offense.I doubt John Beck or Max Hall - both pocket passers would have caught on to the quirky Doman offense which seems to be a run first pass second style - sort of the same as Brandon himself when he played. Jake has a big arm and a quick release along with his nearly 6'3" frame. Jake will do great under a better coordinator.

  • carabaoU Moab, UT
    Dec. 6, 2011 11:34 a.m.


    "Maybe even UCS."

    UCS? University of California at Sonoma?

    "...had BYU beaten Texas , Utah and TCU they most likely would have been ranking at least in the top 15 and playing in a decent bowl."

    And had Utah beaten Colorado, and then beat Oregon, they would be in the Rose Bowl.

    And had Oklahoma State beaten Iowa State, they would playing in the National Championship game.

    And had Akron won all their games, they would playing in the National Championship game.

    And had Michigan beaten BYU in 1984, Oklahoma would be National Champions.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Dec. 6, 2011 11:27 a.m.

    What about Boise State for Heaps?

    It's a shame that Heaps lost the starting job and the trust/support of the team like he did. He's showing, by leaving, that he can't stick it out and turn around a bad situation. Nelson could have given up on things after he lost a chance to start but he held out, worked hard, and showed his teammates that he was a team player. I hope Heaps can turn it around at another school but I seriously doubt it. I wonder how a redshirt year or mission two years could have helped his leadership abilities...

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    Dec. 6, 2011 11:22 a.m.

    Dear Rock - other than the temps in Boise in December, Bronco Stadium is a great place to play. The community is very supportive of national level football. As for things to do, you must not spend much time in Boise. Coming from Logan, Boise looks like a New York. If you are looking for warm beach weather, then you need to be accepting invitations to Hawaii or Florida this time of year.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 6, 2011 11:05 a.m.

    Jake will land in a BCS conference somewhere. My guess is Washington or Washington State. Maybe even UCS. Either way Jake will be glad he transferred in a couple of years looking back. BYU seems to be losing at every turn. They lose the BIG 12 invite, the Big East invite, the Pac 12 invite, and now they lose most likely the QB with the most potential they have ever had. I really doubt John Beck or Max Hall would have caught on to the Doman offense since it seems to be tailored to a different style of QB.. more like Brandon himself when he played. A running QB that sometimes threw the ball. It is becoming hard to see where BYU is headed going forward. This year was a complete bust as far as home games (Idaho, Idaho st, New Mex St, San Jose St, Utah St) and granted had BYU beaten Texas , Utah and TCU they most likely would have been ranking at least in the top 15 and playing in a decent bowl. It appears going forward the forward pass going to be a thing of the past for BYU football with Doman.