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  • Jl Sandy, UT
    Dec. 6, 2011 9:08 p.m.

    @Hunt, Mr Lee is seeking to start a super pac so he can circumvent federal election laws. With representation like that we will soon all be standing on a street corner begging.

  • Furry1993 Clearfield, UT
    Dec. 6, 2011 9:06 p.m.

    To VIDAR | 4:23 p.m. Dec. 6, 2011
    Murray, UT
    Hunt | 1:58 p.m. Dec. 6, 2011

    But what exactly has Mike Lee done for Utah that was so great?


    The answer to that is simple -- absolutely nothing good.

  • homebrew South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 6, 2011 5:21 p.m.

    Jared, your wrong!! Hatch has been in washington for over thirty years. In that time we have gone bankrupt, and the GOP hatch's party has never done anything of consequence. They have bankrupted us, started unnessesary wars, ruined the financial, and housing markets, and made life worse for most americans. You think if we get rid of hatch we'll miss our chance,,, for what?? He's had his chance to do something, anything constructive, and he has failed. For 30 years he has failed. This red state doesnt have sense enough to get rid of him, or if they did, they would replace him with someone like Lee, Or Wimmer. God help us all.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Dec. 6, 2011 5:11 p.m.

    @ Hunt what exactly has Mike Lee done? I want to know

  • United we Stadn OREM, UT
    Dec. 6, 2011 4:58 p.m.

    "These people seem to think the answer to this ancient question is that government should be inexperienced."

    Government should be representative of the people and experience isn't the main point of representative government instead our founding fathers didn't envision Congress to be a permanent class of rulers and understood that the people would need to be accountable to the people. They did not see legislators as a special class of people endowed with special knowledge or abilities.

    An elitist mentality that only the "experienced" are qualified to lead ignores the very basis of our country which is that we are ruled by the people. Common men and common women can one day be working their jobs and within a year become a Representative, Senator or President. Our founding fathers could have easily created a system where experienced governed but did not.

    They could have stated that "The President shall have served in the federal government for at least 14 years and Senators shall have been at least nine years a Representative and Representatives shall have served at least seven years as state officials" but didn't because experience is secondary to the idea that any American is qualified to represent

  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    Dec. 6, 2011 4:23 p.m.

    Hunt | 1:58 p.m. Dec. 6, 2011

    What has Mike Lee done for Utah?
    I Know Hatch got him some committee assignments, that he would not have gotten, without Hatch.
    But what exactly has Mike Lee done for Utah that was so great?

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    Dec. 6, 2011 1:58 p.m.

    The first question that should be asked is "Does Senator Hatch represent my interests?" More times then not the answer to this question, for me, has been no.
    I care not for seniority if the person with seniority has shown to not have my best interests in mind.
    Mike Lee, whether you agree with him or not, is a great example of a Senator with no seniority who has proven to be very influential in representing what he feels are Utah interests.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Dec. 6, 2011 11:37 a.m.

    Corporations are not people, money is not speech. Hatch disagrees. He continues along with Mr Lee to subscribe to the philosophy of corporate
    subjugation of the middle class. His age is no factor. p.s. Who cares what Michelle Malkin thinks?

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 6, 2011 10:05 a.m.

    The letter writer is starting to look like the Lone Ranger with his viewpoint. He has had 36 years and we see where we are now. Based on where we are now is more of the same really a viable option?

  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    Dec. 6, 2011 10:03 a.m.

    The Real Maverick | 9:27 a.m. Dec. 6, 2011

    Who can we send that will serve the people?
    How can the american people compete with corporations?
    Corporations donate billions of dollars, they take the reps on trips around the world, and "other" perks we know nothing about.
    We send someone to Washington, and the minute they arrive, they become LEGAL inside traders.
    Anyone else would go straight to Jail!
    For these guys, who pass the laws ,and then exempt themselves; it is legal to write a law, and then buy stock in a company that will incease in value due to the law, BEFORE the law is passed.
    look no futher then Mike Lee, the golden poster boy of the tea party: he is not happy with normal business as usual: he wants to step it up, and form SUPER PACS. According to him, the money just ain't flowing in fast enough. We need to "step up" the corporate donations, to higher levels then have ever been seen before.
    Republicans-Democrates they are both involved.
    So I ask again: who can we send that will turn down the corporate "donations" and serve only the people?

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Dec. 6, 2011 9:27 a.m.

    Who does Mr. Hatch serve? True Americans or corporations? I'm sorry, but corporations are not people. Until repubs understand this basic concept, they'll never have my vote.

    Mr. Hatch, you cannot serve 2 masters. You cannot serve your rich special interests and your everyday Joe-Sixpacks at the same time.

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    Dec. 6, 2011 9:19 a.m.

    Sorry to "burst your bubble" Utah again, but, Sen. Orrin Hatch, Bob Bennett and Sen. Mike Lee is "NOT" the proper role of a true government.

    They remind me of this.

    The US Senate is doing its first-ever Secret Santa gift exchange this year. Yeah, there's a $10 spending limit, but they plan to go $14 trillion over budget.

    Also this to.

    The good news is, the unemployment rate has dropped to 8.6 percent. The bad news is, most of those require a sack, a red suit, and a beard.

    All while American's rot.

    Thanks to their Koch Brother's friends, to much Pork and Earmarks, and friend's on K Street.

    I told you I would tell you the truth.

    I didn't say you would like it.

    It's time again, to "start over", come 2012.

    Let's see if the People can do better around this time, with true term limits also.

    Put all these "Senior senators" out to pasture, where they belong.

    That's my truthful views.

    Like them, or not.

    That's up to you.

    Merry Christmas.

    Happy New Year.

  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    Dec. 6, 2011 9:18 a.m.

    Who are the republicans in Utah going to send to replace him. It seems whoever we send we get the same old thing.
    Look at Mike Lee; has not been there for even one term, and already he is talking about "super pacs"
    Until there is national term limits for senators, it is not in Utahs interest to get rid of our reining senior senate represenative.
    For small states like Utah, the only way to protect ourselves is to elect a senator and leave him there.
    Whoever we send I expect will ingrain themselves into normal national politics.
    If we do elect a different senator, it would be in our interest to send a democrat senator; it would make us more equal to have one on both sides.
    And to Mike Richards I would like to know what he means by uphold the constitution; in what way has Hatch not upheld the constitution? Republicans like to talk about the constitution, and how much they love it; my guess most of them have never read it, and few actually understand it in anyway.
    The constitution is constantly changing, and is not written in stone. It is a guide, not scripture.

  • Ok Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 6, 2011 8:39 a.m.

    Senator Hatch has had plenty of time to correct our problems. His voting record shows that he is part of the problems. We don't gain anything by keeping this senior senator in office. It is far past time to vote Senator Hatch out. He just doesn't do his job. He has had plenty of opportunities, and he failed. Out he goes.

  • goatesnotes Kamas, UT
    Dec. 6, 2011 8:22 a.m.

    Memo to Rowley: Every Senator, whether it's Hatch or his replacement, gets one vote only. Hatch setting the agenda for the Senate Finance Committee is over-rated. Hatch will be 78 years old on election day 2012. Asking Utahns for a seventh term is simply a bridge too far. The only question that remains in my mind is who will step up to replace him. Whoever emerges from the Republican ranks has my vote. Hatch is not irreplaceable except in his own mind.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Dec. 6, 2011 7:03 a.m.

    Hatch sure knows what he's doing. He's pandering to the faaaaaarrrrrr Right Wing of the Republican party just to keep his job.

    Jared, if Hatch hadn't campaigned against Moss saying that he'd been in Washington too long already, then maybe, just maybe I could agree with you. But it is the ultimate hypocrisy for Hatch, who has already been in longer than Moss was, to say "Keep me, I have experience here".

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Dec. 6, 2011 6:08 a.m.

    In August of this year, noted conservative Michelle Malkin had this to say about Senator Hatch, "Orrin Hatch is the antithesis of the Tea Party spirit. He is a mascot for big-spending Beltway entrenched incumbency who has consistently joined hands with destructive Democrats.

    "He slobbered over corruptocrat Democratic Sen. Chris Dodd.

    "He co-sponsored the $6 billion national service boondoggle and dedicated it to his good friend Teddy Kennedy, with whom he also joined hands to create the ever-expanding SCHIP entitlement.

    "He supported tax cheat Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner from day one, ... and embraced and defended Attorney General Eric Holders nomination because, he said, I like Barack Obama and I want to help him if I can.

    "He was an original sponsor of the open-borders DREAM Act illegal alien student bailout and voted for the massive TARP bailout.

    "How do real Tea Party people feel about Tea Party pretender Orrin Hatch?

    "The same way they feel about his former big-spending entrenched incumbent in Utah former Sen. Bob Bennett who got the boot in May."

    I guess I"m just saying that there is division amongst Republicans. Go figure?

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Dec. 6, 2011 5:50 a.m.

    Are we better off today than we were thirty-years ago?

    That is the question that we need to ask. Mr. Hatch has represented the State of Utah for half of my life. He is still making the same campaign promises that he made when he started. Either he is incapable of getting the job done, or he doesn't yet know how to do his job.

    What is the job of a Senator? The first and most important duty is to uphold the Constitution. He has NOT done that. Look at his voting record and see how many times he put expedience over duty.

    He may have seniority, but he still doesn't know the basic duty of every Senator.

    It's time for him to come home and live among the people.