I would be willing to bet a "cheapskate" would not invest in
America.We need to invest in America if we are going to compete in
this global economy.Japan's government invests in Japan; China's
government invests in China; India's government invests in India.And
that is where all the jobs are going. And Mitt Romney has personally, through
his Bain Capital corporation, outsourced countless jobs to these countries!Yet he will be a "frugal cheapskate" on American investment?
My dad is a cheapskate - and I wouldn't vote for him for president. But that
said, having someone who in office respects the money they have been in trusted
to manage would be refreshing. I think the numbers have gotten so big that it
probably doesn't even feel real any more.
Kami- this is coming from an LDS woman. No my husband doesn't act like that.
He's never learned to be that way in Priesthood meetings. His LDS friends don't
treat their wives badly either. He drives an old Suburban with over 150K miles
on it. I drive a newer minivan. I've only made pj's for my kids once at
Christmas from flannel that I bought at the store. Their old blankets are way
too worn out to make anything out of them. My husband loves to golf but only
went twice this year. He took ME with him one of those times. Men
behaving badly is NOT an LDS thing. Whining, underappreciated women isn't
either. Sounds like you need to broaden your horizons. Mitt would be
good for our nation's economy. So would Rick Santorum or Ron Paul IF they can
get Congress to get their act together and agree on something- anything. Newt
worries me. I don't trust him any more than I trust Herman Cain- which isn't
much. John Huntsman? Maybe at some future time. Michelle Bachman? Stick to MN
government. You've done well there.
@KamiKami my dear, you've had a rough go this time with other
readers. However, I'm wondering why in Bountiful, a rather rich place compared
to Layton, there are so many husbands who act like that. Is it something in
with the water up there? Seriously, I think what you've pointed out has more to
do with bad husbandry than bad Mormonism. But don't be discouraged, we like
hearing from you. Keep challenging us.
Kami, Kami, Kami....not sure what time warp you are living in. You can't be
serious. I've lived in dozens of cities and I've never witnessed anything like
that. I find your inaccurate generalizations. If anything the prevailing
"culture" is one of sacrificing everything for the education and
well-being of one's family above all else. I could tell you numerous examples
from my own life but I won't.
The only thing I see is the showing of the leftists greed and coveting what
Romney has. Stop looking at the other guy and concentrate on yourselves. If
you want to be wealthy, then do the things that wealthy people do. I.E. Work
hard and sacrifice family and life for the almighty buck. Are you sure you want
to be wealthy? Or do you just want to take from the other guy because you think
you are entitled to his wealth?
Christ is described as being Th and the Holy Ghost is said to eternally proceed
from the Father. Google those terms and look for Christian discussion boards and
follow discussions on this. Five people end up expressing eight different
opinions."Wisdom in living within one's means is a good thing.
In a President it would be great for your country."I don't
understand the reasoning here. The President is the head of the Executive Branch
of government. He does not set the Budget. The Constitution clearly gives that
responsibility to the House of Representatives.Who cares about the
penuriousness of a Presidential Candidate? Who you elect to Congress determines
the overall frugality of this country.
Forget about electing a social conservative. Elect a fiscal conservative to help
repair this nation.Too bad no fiscal conservatives are running.
Re: LDS | 3:17 p.m. Nov. 30, 2011 "Naa...Mitt is anything but
miserly. I didn't mention his $600 per hour barber"There's a
problem being able to afford a $600/hr. barber? There's a problem being able to
afford a private school? The important question is whether he saved the 2002
Olympic Games from financial disaster and left money in the bank after the games
were over. The answer is yes ..... to both questions.
LDS | 3:17 p.m. Nov. 30, 2011Cedar City, UTClassic case of
coveting and envy.
Yeesh... who "gives" their wife a budget anymore? "We" have
a family budget. Kami if this is really you and how your neighbors live... time
to take off the bhurkas and move into the 21st century.
Hmmm, being frugal is how most rich people get rich. They know how to make their
money work for them. One should try it.
"one old man" brought up the trite "flip-flop" charge.Romney has changed views on several issues - this proves he is
open-minded. After the changes, he explained why he changed his views and did
not flip-flp back to the former positions. He does not SAY one thing while
DOING the oppposite as many noted Democrats (Clinton and Obama, among others).
While this article is full of "fluff" it is somewhat interesting - and
all of the comments posted about it are VERY entertaining, with some kernels of
truth. We do need a cheapskate in the white house who will make due when he can
instead of spending more money.
@Pagan At least George Bush vacationed at his own ranch and to coin your own
phrase " why are you keeping track of all Bushes vacations?
Can I defend Kami? She made a sweeping and broad statement about a culture, but
one that is very real. Living beyond their means and keeping up with the
neighbors is very much a part of Utah Mormons. Sounds like this
article was all political propaganda. Mitt Romney has never had to be frugal
out of an actual need.
"Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six,
result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds
ought and six, result misery," Mr Micawber, a character in Charles Dickens'
book "David Copperfield" wisely said. Frugality personified. Don't mistake his frugality with that of Ebeneezer Scrooge from the same
author's "A Christmas Carol." Wisdom in living within one's means is
a good thing. In a President it would be great for your country.As
for someone's comment about Romney's only doing things for photo shoots, you
should have been in San Diego in the aftermath of the "Witch Creek"
fires. He told his aides, "Absolutely no media. I am here to carry out my
Priesthood Duties with my Brethren." He was not the last to arrive, and
was far from the first top leave. One example of where he refused to leave
until the root from a burned out tree was finished stickes in my memory. He was
not wearing gloves, duct-taped or not. He was down in the dirt with bare hands,
with not a media man in sight.
This is a hillarious title to an article about those rascally republicans. I
think I read somewhere that they give, as a percent of income, much more than
their counterparts on the left, to charity. While the dems give much more of
other peoples money than they do. hmmmm?
@Kami It could be that you just live in a part of the state that is
bent on 'keeping up with the Jones's.' I have lived in good wards and
not-so-great wards. But the good wards with good members who try hard to to
what's right FAR outweighs the bad. I don't doubt you have met some husbands
who treat their wives badly. But that is not just an LDS 'culture' thing. It's
completely wrong to make that kind of stereotype.@PaganDo you really think Obama deserves re-election? Really? I noticed that his
approval rating recently slipped below that of Jimmy Carter's.
Give me a "notorius cheapskate"over NootAnyday.
I was on a flight from San Diego to Salt Lake City back in 2009. Mitt was on the
flight ... and seated in coach, not first class! He has the money to buy the
plane, yet he had the sense to get the cheap seat.I admired that.
This is just another example of an article from a media that is drift wood,
intended to take our focus off of the core problem--Obama and Congress--and
people keep getting distracted.
Any other candidates worthy of the headline, or just the utah heir apparent?
Re: one old man | 4:54 p.m. Nov. 30, 2011 When comparing Romney's
financial success with the 2002 Winter Olympics with Obama's failure to bring
down our national unemployment rate we can overlook his flip flops .l..... just
like we do Obama's.
Kami-Do you have any real data to support your sweeping
generalizations? Didn't think so. I am also LDS and know many LDS men who
spend more on their wives and childre than they do on themselves. My experience
doesn't make this the norm any more than yours does. Rather than
making broad, stereotypical statements based on your personal perspective, how
about simply highlight the issue you see and avoid branding an entire
"culture" or class of people. It just seems really judgmental....
Yeah, but if he gets into office, can we expect him flip and flop on this as he
has done on every other issue he's met?
Show me that he worked a job he didn't like at any time in his life because he
had to, not to prove that he could, or for some other "photo-op" type
of reason, and I'll believe he really worked for his money. What he did for work
is what we'd all love to do--spend our lives doing what we dream of. Few do
that, and most of us do something we don't want to do at some point rather than
not work. But those who inherited, like Mitt, may have only done that so
"daddy" could show them what "real" work was, and let them
know how lucky they'd be not to ever have to be stuck with it. Thus the show of
"financial restraint" with the gloves, etc, to prove he's "one of
us". Good photo op moment.
What a propaganda piece."If I had to pick my one weakness, it's that
I care too much."This is not the Miss Nephi Pageant Dnews.What
a silly article.
@Kami: I just read your post at 1:21 pm today and must say it's the biggest
piece of sinful stereotyping I've ever read.I no idea of the
"culture" you are speaking of as I don't know one person who does what
you claim is "typical".Sorry but you need to speak of your
own experiences without trying to condemn an entire community or LDS folks.Oh the stories tell to try to make themselves feel better about
@KamiYour a funny girl. I love it when the intellectually superior LDS
people criticize the LDS culture that they themselves are so far above.I also am a very intellectually stimulated and sophisticated individual and
have lived among various cultures. My observation is that, as a whole, LDS men
treat their wives much better than other cultures. Me thinks you have a weird
ward. Now back to my tea and crumpets.
I like cheapskates. They are usually the product of the Depression era.
Only a tax and spend liberal would hate a cheapskate. We need 100 cheapskate
Senators and a few hundred cheapskate Legislators and a new cheapskate
Mitt Romney is anything but a miser or cheapskate. Raised in wealth and luxury,
he has at least 3 mansions (Park City, Boston, La Jolla). Mitt never attended a
public school or public university. He has always had the insurance of a
wealthy family providing for his every need. He successfully dodged the draft
and service during the Vietnam war, because his personal wants overide service
to country.Mitt's boys are equally provided for. Indeed, during the
2008 election, Tag visited every town and settlement in Iowa. How much did that
cost? Miserly?Naa...Mitt is anything but miserly. I didn't mention
his $600 per hour barber.
Why is the headline so negative? Repairing/making do with duct tape for a few
more wearings instead of running out to buy a new pair of ski gloves is not a
bad thing - indeed, this is a GOOD thing in this economy, a trait that more
people need to learn and put into practice. Maybe this will convince some fence
sitters to vote for him after all?
This forum is for expressing our opinions and not a full attack on an
individual. The whole issue is candidates for our presidential election next
year not to belittle one of the individuals that periodically enters this
dialogue. We may not agree with everything we put in writing but it gives us
the opportunity to be a part of our DN community. Thanks for listening.
Kami- Do you and your friends live in 2011? Really? I have never heard any of my
friens say that they have to sew the kids clothes out of old blankets. I have
been married for 25 years and never have I heard my husband complain about a
meal that I prepare. If he did the next night he would get a PB and J sandwich.
You and your friends need to open your eyes and realize that your little
neighborhood is out of touch with reality. It might be time to find new friends.
Gosh, going cheap is what we need. Bravo Romney.
"Romney is "a notorious cheapskate"...."Give
this guy veto power over our spend-crazy Congress and he's got my vote!
@ KamiI don't know anything about this "LDS culture" to
which you refer in your post. My wife wouldn't ever put up with that type of
treatment. I don't think the First Presidency or the local EQ Presidency
condones that culture. Some generalization eh?
I was so dissapointed with Michelle Obama when she went on a vacation in our tax
expenses. Think Romney would do that?
Pagan, horses at that pricepoint are an investment, not an indulgence. I am a
middle-class cheapskate, myself, but I also own $100,000 in stocks. This does
not make me a hypocrite, nor have you presented any evidence that Mitt is,
Kami, I think you need to move to a neighborhood of better LDS people. I can
honestly say I have NEVER observed the sort of behavior you described as a
common function of LDS culture. Those "men" are just garden-variety
jerks of the type you can find in any community, if that's what your focus is.
@t702, because I have personally witnessed it many many times in my community,
which is not a poor community. Because I have been a shoulder for some of these
wives to cry on. Because I have helped sew clothing for these wives while
watching their husbands spend excessive funds on non-essential items. Because I
have delivered dinners to some of these wives because I know they haven't the
funds to put a decent dinner on the table when it gets close to the end of their
budget and I have heard their husbands harrass them about the poor quality meals
they are preparing! That's how I know. And this culture is far worse among LDS
in Utah than any other community I have lived in.
'I can attest that Romney will not spend one more dime than he absolutely has to
(which is what we need in Washington!) But guess what: that's how you become
rich!' - nyca411 | 1:22 p.m. Nov. 30, 2011 That is a possiblity. Or... *Firm dissolves after giving pro-Romney PAC $1
million' - By Ken Thomas - AP - Published by DSNews - 08/04/11
Special interest groups donate to you so that you will vote in their favor on
issues. Which, can result in: *Mitt Romney:
Corporations are people...my friend - By Phillip Elliot - AP - Published by
DSNews 08/11/11 &t702 | 1:24 p.m., If 'gossip' is
against LDS teachings... why are you keeping track of Michelle
Obama's vacations? George W. Bush was on vacation for almost x3
years out of his eight. I didn't hear you complaining...
when Republican leadership DOUBLED the national debt.
Kami, I'm not sure what your comments have to do with LDS culture. I've been
around a lot of LDS people my entire life (in 4 different U.S. states, including
Utah) and have never met an LDS man who fits your descriptions of a miser
towards the wife and children but is a big self-spender. In fact, most of the
LDS men I know are exactly the opposite - will give up all sorts of good things
for themselves so that their wives and children will have nice things. Maybe you
just have some friends with poor experiences but what you said has zero to do
with LDS culture; it is merely a reflection of an individual, not a whole
culture.In any case, it would be good to have a
fiscally-conscientious person as president. There is a reason Mitt Romney was so
successful in business and with the Utah Olympics. Showing that he lives to the
same standards personally that he does in business is a great testament to his
Depends on how one is a cheapskate. Gov. Romney himself has said he wants to
make the defense budget even larger than the bloated size it already is. I'm
perfectly fine with deficit reduction, and would very much like to see it, but I
want a balanced approach to it.
IDC said: The article mentions that he puts duct tape on his own ski gloves. I
bet that wouldn't go over on his wife's ski gloves. Just because someone has
money doesn't make them bad. People that have money but are willing to save
money exhibit a positive character trait.Mitt Romney, has placed his
mansion in Park City, Utah on the market for $5,250,000.The San
Diego Union-Tribune reportsÂ that Romney has filed an application to
bulldoze the existing one-story, 3,009-square-foot home (worth 12 million) and
replace it with a two-story, 11,062-square-foot structure.Yep...duct
tape, what a propaganda piece.Kami probably nailed it, and
cheapskate is the proper word, not frugal, not miser.
'Kami, are you a man hater or do you just hate LDS men?' - IDC | 1:10 p.m. Nov.
30, 2011 Is there a difference?
Yeah I'm not sure what Kami was trying to accomplish with what she wrote. I
definitely read it and thought... huh?If your husband or your
friend's husband is being uneven with his spending habits that sounds like a
personal issue, not really connected to either "LDS" or "Mitt
Hey Pagan, don't forget the Lady Obama's vacation to Spain with 40 of her
friends renting 70 rooms at 5 star hotel; how about Obama's vacation at Martha's
Vineyard 2 wks at 50k/wk - some estimates have the Obamas vacations at over $10
mil a bill that most of us tax payers pay - I bet there are tons of links you
can show us...yes?Kami... how do you know these folks cheapskates
their wives? gossiping and judging thy neighbors is against lds teachings. what
people do with their own money is their business, politicians are different
Having been a volunteer at several Romney lunches and dinners, I can attest that
Romney will not spend one more dime than he absolutely has to (which is what we
need in Washington!) But guess what: that's how you become rich! Like that book
says, "The millionaire next door." The most unassuming people are
wealthy because they scrimp and save. It seems an oxymoron, but "old
money" people are famously frugal. They work hard for their money and
don't want to waste it. It's the "new rich" who flaunt and spend and
go broke -- like lottery winners, NBA stars fresh out of college, etc.From his 2008 campaign, I recall a story that one of Romney's sons lost an
anchor in the lake in New Hampshire (or maybe the ocean). Instead of going to
buy a new one, Romney took the boat, went to the spot where the anchor sunk, and
dove down to retrieve it.
........just the very reason that he should run for president.
IDC | 1:10 p.m. Nov. 30, 2011 Boise, ID Kami, are you a man hater or
do you just hate LDS men? Neither, I am happily married to a good
LDS man, one who doesn't buy into the LDS culture that supports giving the wife
such a limited budget that she can barely feed and cloth her family while they
are off spending a great deal of time and money on themselves. You know very
well this is pretty typical within the culture. I have several friends who are
subject to this treatment by their husbands -- they live in big homes, their
husbands drive expensive cars, go out to lunch every day, etc. -- it is all for
show to their neighbors. The wives are at home making their children's PJS out
of last years blankets because the budget given to them won't even support
purchasing enough clothing for their children. And don't tell me you have never
heard of this kind of treatment!
"I am VERY familiar with some mormon men who are cheapskates other than
when it comes to themselves. It is very much part of the culture. So I don't see
this as necessarily a positive attribute here"@Kami:Well - I guess if you have lived around a lot of different cultures, you can
compare and claim what you just did. At any rate, from what I have
seen based on TV appearances it doesn't look to me like Mitt Romney's wife nor
his boys have suffered much when it comes to the nicer things in life. So maybe
his "cheapskate" ways will be a good indicator of how he will make
decisions on how to fix a broken economy.
Kami, are you a man hater or do you just hate LDS men? The article mentions
that he puts duct tape on his own ski gloves. I bet that wouldn't go over on
his wife's ski gloves.Just because someone has money doesn't make
them bad. People that have money but are willing to save money exhibit a
positive character trait.
The proper term is not "cheapskate" but "miser".
Romney pulls the cheese off his pizza?He just lost my vote...
Tom in CA | 11:55 a.m. Nov. 30, 2011 @Kami: Sounds like you have
your own deep seeded issues. BTW - why do you highlight "LDS" in your
comment?? Because I have learned on these boards about how several
LDS posters jump to conclusions. Had I not put that I was LDS I'm certain at
least one poster would have accused me of being a mormon hater. I'm not a
mormon hater, but I am VERY familiar with some mormon men who are cheapskates
other than when it comes to themselves. It is very much part of the culture.
So I don't see this as necessarily a positive attribute here.
leave it to the DNews to try and put down Romney with this headline....and every
day they run a Huntsman pr story, interesting journalism. I'd be willing to bet
Jonny spends a lot more money on ads with the DNews than Romney does.
Re: Kami | 11:25 a.m. Nov. 30, 2011 "I am LDS and have several LDS
friends whose husbands are notorious cheapskates"We need a man
in the White House who is a cheapskate when it comes to spending our money.
Based on Romney's success with the 2002 Winter Olympic Games he may be just the
man for the job.
@Pagan: No doubt, BHO has NO "issues" in this regard. But IF HE DID,
I'm sure you would let us all know about it."I am LDS and have
several LDS friends whose husbands are notorious cheapskates with their wives
...." @Kami: Sounds like you have your own deep seeded issues.
BTW - why do you highlight "LDS" in your comment??
If Governor Romney performed in Massachusetts with fiscal responsibility and
brings that characteristic with him to the Federal government, he will be a good
asset for the country. The term "cheapskate" doesn't really explain
the "Scrooge" type that term suggests. It is just an article to show
some negative buzz words for people to make an instant opinion of Governor
Romney. He has donated more time and money than most people make in a lifetime
and he does it for a good cause, I am sure. Having been a federal and state
employee, money doesn't continue to grow in a service industry except by taxes
and fees on people and industries. Government has grown which requires more
funds and now with healthcare and other entitlements that will happen,
cheapskate is not a bad term. Social programs versus common defense verus other
programs, that is why we have Congress to oversee agencies the Congress funds at
what the President requests and scrutinized by Congress. Our government has
gotten by for 200 plus years by Congress and the President working together.
With the increasing number of agencies and unfunded mandates, oversight is
harder but possible, if Congress would worry about their requirements.
"The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological
weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons.' - George W. Bush - Ohio Speech
10/7/2002 * 'Bush Administration Adds $4 Trillion To National Debt'
- by Mark Knoller - CBS News - 09/29/08 'It'll be the 7th time the
debt limit (ceiling) has been raised during this administration. In fact it was
just two months ago, on July 30, that President Bush signed the Housing and
Economic Recovery Act, which contained a provision raising the debt ceiling to
$10.615 trillion.' *Cost of US wars since 9/11? At
least $3.7 trillion, study finds Reuters 06/29/11 Think it will be
different? *'GOP contenders argue on Iran' - By Kasie Hunt - AP -
Published by DSNews - 11/12/11 "If we re-elect Barack Obama,
Iran will have a nuclear weapon. And if you elect Mitt Romney, Iran will not
have a nuclear weapon," vowed the former Massachusetts governor.' I would disagree.
I am LDS and have several LDS friends whose husbands are notorious cheapskates
with their wives and their children, yet purchase expensive clothing and cars
for themselves, play golf at least once a week, have a gym membership, go out to
lunch daily, etc.
Interesting they are doing all this research on Republican candidates. Wonder if
they will EVER do this type of research on the Democratic candidates. Oops, my
bad - politically incorrect to do ANY research on them.
I agree frugality is definitely a good thing in a candidate, and Mitt's my fave
still, but pulling the cheese off of pizza is an abomination.
Please be a cheapskate Romney. The current President seems to have no issue
with spending money that is not his.
I can't think of many character traits I would rather see in our next president.
We are extremely overdue for a cheapskate in the oval office.
And....Willard loves his mom and apple pie :)
You had me at cheapskate. We need a few hundred more cheapskates in the
I admire Romney's frugality. IF he is the nominee and IF he puts
the U.S. government on that same frugality habit we'll be able to turn our
'How Mitt Romney is 'a notorious cheapskate' - Title Well... *Mitt Romneys wealth raises new questions By Jamshid Ghazi Askar
DSNews 08/15/11 'Romney owns between $250,000 and $500,000 in
horses.' Unless it comes to his horses. I would be more
endeared towards Romney's thriftiness (is that a word?)... if it
didn't come with a price tag. *Romney campaign battles Dems, Press
over issue of transparency By Barrett Haake NBC News 11/17/11
There it was this morning, on the front page of the Boston Globe, a headline no
campaign ever wants to read: Before leaving office, Romney staff wiped
records. *Firm dissolves after giving pro-Romney PAC $1 million' -
By Ken Thomas - AP - Published by DSNews - 08/04/11 *Mitt Romney:
Corporations are people...my friend - By Phillip Elliot - AP - Published by