@Jazzfan86, the Jazz are allready almost to young and have 2 1st round picks
next year, I seriously doubt they will be trading for draft picks even though
next years draft will be extremely strong. If they trade Milsap it needs to be
for a very good player that fills a need and Granger probably is that.
The logical choice is Milsap for Granger, outside shooting was the Jazz greatest
weakness last year, but he will be making 12 mil next year, best for the Jazz
would be to move Jefferson and his big contract.The future of the
Jazz lies in Hayward, Evans, Favors, Kanter and Burkes and someone has to go to
free up some minutes for them and if Ocur, Milsap and Jefferson are on the
roster you can bet the bulk of the minutes will go to them.
Some of you obviously haven't looked at the new CBA. Salaries don't have to
match the same way they used to. Also Indiana isn't going to trade Granger for
Millsap. They are hoping the Jazz are in full rebuild mode and value picks over
proven talent. They'll offer picks and no-name players for Millsap. To be honest
O'Conner might actually do it for that too. The Jazz aren't going to win it all
in the next 2-3 years and they know it, they are thinking what will help them
2-3 years from now. Here is to hoping Paul George, Brandon Rush, and a draft
pick or two for Millsap. Dahntay Jones is old and useless, I hope KOC is able to
negotiate for younger talent.
Lets see, last year the Jazz had the number 3 pick, what are the odds they can
get 1 or 2 Next year?I am sorry but I do not believe the Jazz will
be any better than last year:They have gone from 54 wins to 53 wins
to 39 wins and I believe they will continue to drop each year. With a 66 game
season, I am guessing 25 wins and that will be generous.
I appreciate Sap's game and effort as much as the next person. Thing is, with
our current roster and the need to give Favors playing time, he would be IDEAL
coming off the bench. The makes the real question is how he would feel about
coming off the bench. My guess is he'd resent that. So, if Indy can offer him
a starting role, then maybe the best and fairest thing for the Jazz to do for
him is to trade him. We need a PG and a wing so I'd take Hill and George and a
draft pick for him.
Millsap has met or exceeded EVERY expectation! I say give him one more year. Put
him at small forward and watch him continue to progress.
Lebron? Really, should've given Kobe as your example.Lebron's talent does
him nothing. I've watched him choke in 3 nba finals now! He's a waste of talent
because he'll never take a team all the way. If Miami wins a championship it
won't be because of Lebron the choke artist.
Please......All of you so called Jazz fans stop, I mean stop all the trade talk
about AK and his contract. They are both non existent. Andrei is a free agent,
his albatross of a contract is done with. No need to trade him, only worry
about bringing him back. And please stop suggesting one-sided trades.
re man in charge. Do you know why Kirilenko wasn't good in Jazz? Reason is
Jerry Sloan who never understood and under utilized Andrei. HE is playing great
IN CSKA. In Russia basketball boom, arenas start filling because of Andrei
Kirilenko. One thing never question his work ethic and effort, he leaves
everything in court. He likes Utah I don't know why. Best destination for him
will be LA.
David HKirilenko is a free agent so the Jazz can't trade him.
Everybody was crying about him being overpaid and now that we can finally be rid
of him, people like him all of the sudden. It's too bad that he
can't or doesn't want put fourth the effort with the Jazz that he does with CSKA
Who cares about heart. Fransico Elson could have more heart than Dwight Howard
but he isn't going to be the person starting. The NBA is a business
not a charity.
The Jazz surprise me. On TV they say all the time that they want to win an NBA
championship. Now I hear they want to trade Kirilenko and Millsap. I wish the
Jazz woud understand that you have to have a lot of horses to win an NBA
championship. The reason for the extra horses is due to foul trouble and or
injuries. I remember when the Celtics won in 1986. Kevin McHale would get into
foul trouble. No problem, bring in Bill Walton. In the late 80's when the
Pistons had foul trouble or wanted to rest a starter, bring in Adrian Dantley,
who caused major trouble for teams trying to rest their starters before the big
push for the starters to finish the game. Do the Jazz really think they can
overcome foul trouble and or injuries? Winning an NBA championship requires
really good starters as well as 2-3 players who could start on most other teams
who sit on the bench. The extra TV revenue for fans demanding to watch
"look out" teams as well as the Finals TV revenue would offset half or
at least a lot of their salary.
I just have to shake my head. Fans are wonderful. They think they're players are
somehow unique from every other player in the league even when they can't bring
home the title or even get the team into the discussion.I will be
the first to admit that Millsap has heart. But I really question anybody who
claims that Haslem doesn't have heart. Or Najera. Or Bass. Or Green. Really?
Really!?!These guys are all noted for being high energy and high
heart players. That is why they are in the league. It certainly isn't on their
talent alone. They aren't as naturally gifted as other players. They aren't as
big. They aren't as quick. They tend to be 2nd round draft picks that carve out
an NBA career because they work hard and have great motors.Frankly,
I'd rather have talent. Wouldn't you? Given a choice between Millsap and LeBron
(who has a questionable reputation with regard to heart), you'd pick Millsap?Please take off the rose-colored glasses and admit that the Jazz will
never win a title built on players with heart but few natural gifts.
Really......just the fact that you all CARE at all after what these crybabies
put the fans through is pathetic. Let them make their trades and play their
games with no one caring or watching........ crickets........crickets........
Milsap for Granger is a no brainer. I love Milsap, but the Jazz have a log jam
of bigs (AJ, Okur, Favors, Kanter and Milsap) and the Future is Favors at PF. If
Favors and Kanter are going to develop someone has to go.Granger
would fit perfectly in Utah and I think he gives the Jazz a better chance to win
with the team they have now.
joe5 There is one thing that Millsap has that none of those other
guys have nearly as much of- HEART! I remember when Boozer was injured his last
season with us and Millsap was scoring better and averaging like 14 rebounds a
game! While last season wasn't his best on defense, he's a hard nosed rebounder
even for his size. Talent didn't make the miracle in Miami, HEART did. I don't
think the Jazz have enough heart without him. The Stocktons,
Malones, Hornacecks, and Harprings were the heart of the team back in the day,
Millsap is that player today. Every team needs a guy who works his butt off and
never gives up, for the Jazz it's Millsap.
SakshayI would take George over Posey anyday. If the Jazz don't get
anybody named George,Granger,Collison or Hibbert for Millsap the Jazz should
just hold onto him.
@LAJazzFanYeah, I know Dahntay and Rush + 1st round pick isn't going
to get Milsap. That's why I said Jazz fans probably wouldn't like it. Similarly,
Milsap and a middling 1st round pick isn't going to get the Jazz Danny Granger.
But fans will be fans and they will propose endless trade ideas that always seem
to make their team the trade beneficiary.
any chance of the Jazz being a legitimate contender went out the door with Jerry
Sloan....Greg Miller and KOC killed any chance the Jazz had of being good when
they chose to back the players instead of the coach.
The only trade I can come up with that might make sense for both Teams is Utah
gets Granger & Collison and Indiana gets Milsap, Harris and some combination
of draft picks from Utah. The salaries match up well enough to work out and if
the 1st rounder is good enough it could sweeten the deal for Indiana. The draft
pick(s) would have to be lottery quality though.
@Glen A (pacers fan)-The Jazz are almost too young (they have 5
players with 0-1 yrs experience all needing to get playing time). Do you think
that they want an additional pick in 2012 where they probably have 2 already? I
bet the Jazz look to trade both of those picks to get a single higher pick next
year.Rush and Delhanty aren't going to bring the Pacers Milsap.
They might not even bring Bell and CJ. The Jazz need some
relatively young, above average veterans- Granger fits that bill. Hopefully,
DHarris and Big Al do this year too.
Paul George( or James Posey ) + George Hill + Brandon Rush + 1st Round Draft
Pick === Paul Millsap + Raja Bell . If this is proposed , Jazz Should take it
with closed eyes . Sign Free Agent Marcus Thorton and the Jazz are contenders
right away !!!
I love Milsap too! However, we need a proven wing more than an $8M undersized
PF coming off the bench. I doubt he has acquired the skills to effectively play
the 3 over the last few months.Granger has veteran experience but
not too old. The Jazz need his skills at that position while Hayward learns and
proves himself to be the replacement at SF. He could literally be the
difference between making the playoffs on a regular basis. While not exact, try
the NBA trade machine (ESPN) and make the trade for Milsap/Bell and Granger- 41
wins! A win win for both teams. I would be willing to trade Milsap
and Bell (preferably) or CJ (will he ever have a breakout year?) or even a first
round pick. The JAzz just picked up a PF, SF, and SG this past year. They have
a couple of PF/C combos and if Harris works out they look like a good team. If
not, focus on PG the next draft or free agency/trade time. You have
to give something valuable to get something valuable and go to the next level.
Milsap for Granger fits this.
Wow!!!!!!!Everyone has forgotton how these players and owners treated the fans.
The fans are the ones paying the bills. Now everyone is going to run back to the
arenas like nothings happened. I'm amazed how you can kick people in the guts,
and they just come crawling back for more. In the words of Hot
Millsap is one of my all-time favorite Jazz players. I hope they keep him. You
can't teach toughness the way he has it innately.
This rumor has real merit. For months, the Jazz have tried to get a trade for
Millsap because of the presence of Derrick Favors who in every respect is a
better athlete than Millsap, thus no need for Millsap. Kirilenko will never
again sign with the Jazz with that bloated 17 million dollar contract and
likely, no other NBA team will pick him up with the possible exception of New
Jersey. There will likely be no effort to move Okur until his contract runs out
in a year and no likelihood that he will ever play in a Jazz uniform again.
There is also a good possibility that Jefferson will be traded along with Devean
Harris. Other older players will be let go to make room for younger, more
athletic players with the Jazz being in a full rebuilding mode. With some good
picks in the upcoming draft, the Jazz will be very young and very athletic and
take the route Oklahoma City took to build their team.
Millsap probably is in the possible trade thinking with Jazz management, simply
because he is a defensive liability. At his height he is pitted against larger
players and cannot get shots off under the basket and he is exploited on the
defensive end of the floor. I can see the Jazz making some moves. Kirilenko
should be gone obviously. Realistically the Jazz are a small market team that
develops players that will ultimately be gobbled up. That is just simply a
reality. I am happy the season will get underway in December. The way it's
turning out with the pending agreement; I don't think either side wanted a full
season. There are too many games. 82 games is ridiculously long. Play 60
games, everybody is in the playoffs and every series is a best of 7. Come on.
We need an NFL type of agreement to keep salary costs at a reasonable level.
Escalating prices for tickets, shoddy concessions/prices and apparel/etc. items
to be purchased are also over the top. I have no problem with Kevin O'Connor.
He is doing the best he can under severe conditions in this market. This market
is a revolving door for players.
Thank you for the reality check, Glenn A. Too many Jazz fans actually think
we'd be able to get Hibbert, Granger, Collison, AND a 1st round pick for Millsap
and Okur. Maybe we'll even give you Raja Bell if you throw in George Hill.
@ Joe5I'm a big Pacers' fan and I'm just curious to know what you're
basing the argument on that Granger is "one of the worst defenders in the
league." When he was a young player trying to find his niche, he was
considered a pretty stalwart defender, even receiving praise from the
ultra-defender himself, Ron Artest. As the years have gone by, his defense has
slipped a bit because his offensive role has changed dramatically, but is he one
of the worst defenders in the league? That's quite an exaggeration in my
mind.From a Pacers' perspective, I wouldn't do a Granger for Big Al
swap. I wouldn't do a Hibbert for Milsap swap, or a Darren Collison for Milsap
swap either. And I'm guessing Jazz fans wouldn't do the deal most Pacer fans
would like to see: Brandon Rush, Dahntay Jones and 1st round pick for Milsap. It
should be a fun shortened offseason to see how this all goes.
If Indy offers us Paul George & George Hill plus picks and gives Paul
starting role, I think the Jazz should take it.
I LOVE Milsap and I would hate to see him (or Jefferson for that matter) go.
But we do have all these big guys, and like someone else said, Derrick Favors is
going to need playing time to develop. It's a tough one. The only reason I'd
have to choose Milsap over the others as a trade piece is because of size. The
guy is a beast but he just needs to be a couple inches taller to play PF, or a
little quicker to play SF (though he does have a good shot already). But I
would only trade Paul for a PROVEN wing who plays defense and shoots a high
percentage. If you can't get that, keep Milsap here. Hayward is a good shooter
but he can't play ALL those minutes, and CJ and Bell aren't reliable enough from
outside. We need a shooter but the Jazz don't have enough cap room to just pick
up a good free agent. Trade might be the only way. :(
joe5Millsap has the intangibles such as character, hard working,
team oriented and loyalty...I can't really describe any of your dime-a-dozen
forwards with these attributes.Anti Bush-ObamaAlthough I
like your name, my question to you will be...will we treat Derrick Favors with
the same available dime-a-dozen SF attitude like we are with Millsap when the
next Derrick Favors comes along...History dictates we will.
@Man in chargedScreech has a better chance of marrying Lisa than
Okur does of being amnestied. you only to get to use the amnesty clause one
time, the Jazz aren't going to waste it on a guy who is an expiring contract.
That contract is great for them, or could be used in a trade. amnesty-ing him
would be the WORST possible move. If anyone, it will be Raja Bell.
If the team could somehow get the Knicks to pick up AK he would function in that
scenario. His coach would look at him and tell him and every other player to
shoot and AK would be fine with that on the 2 of 5 nights he can physically
play.Milsap is a strong player that Utah loves to hae on hand.
However during the playoffs with the Lakers, it is alwasy the Lakers he is a
short liability. KOC knows what he has there and he will get someting to help
if Milsap is going somewhere.KOC should trade OKUR as the game plan
has changed for the team. Without Darrin the ball gets worked inside and there
is not a demand for a big man who stands outside and lofts them basketward. The
only person in the league that Okur can defend is Timmy in San Antonio and he
and his team made history last year in the playoffs by being swept by the 8th
seed. So Timmy is about done. Other teams would need his height and shot but
the Jazz can get along without it now.
Please dont trade for Granger. If we are going to trade someone, I hope we
trade for perimeter defense and shooting. That is what we need. Any trade with
Indiana would have to include Collison in my opinion.
@VeracityMillsap is available because we have a guy named Derrick
Favors who needs minutes to develop.
Okur will be amnisted. @ Portland TrailblazerKevin
Pritchard was Fired. Any real Portland fan would know that.
I say keep them all. Depth in the front court can be huge when you come up
against a big team like the Lakers. If we are going to trade someone to Indiana
I say trade Milsap and Okur for Granger and a draft pick.
@ joe5 - you think you can just pick up a guy that averages almost a
double-double per night? Can put up 46 points on the road in Miami? Hmmm...don't
think Jeff Green can do that. People forget, Millsap's contract is very
favorable in comparison to Jefferson's. Keep that in mind.
Snipe: Does defense mean nothing to the Jazz anymore? Stop looking at stats and
start looking at players. Granger is one of the worst defenders in the league.
You can get away with that if you have a great defender around the basket but
there's nobody on the Jazz that fits that bill. Who would be behind him to clean
up his messes? Certainly not Jefferson or Okur. Favors can't do it. Kanter is an
unknown but what we do know about him is focused on his offensive skills, not
his defense.The Jazz have been killed in recent years by lack of
perimeter defense. Players routinely went around Williams and our other
perimeter players, got into the middle the Jazz defense, and killed the Jazz
from the inside out. That has to change for the Jazz to become competitive
I have seen on twitter that Milsap and Jefferson are rumored to "be
available". I think the Jazz could move one and get a good deal but I would
be pretty discouraged if they moved both of them. It doesnt make a lot of sense
unless their objective is to clear the books this year for the shortened season
so they can get the youngsters experience then make moves next offseason.
Hey "Portland Snailblazer" look at what that big contract did to the
blazers now. Going to possibly amnesty Roy? Portland, with all their money has
yet to do anything with it in the last 10 years. If KOC had that type of money
we'd know what to do with it. You guys have an aging Andre Miller and
"bummed" knee Roy along with Aldridge, no room to talk at this point.
The Jazz are sitting with 5 bigs that are huge assets to us/trade assets. Swap
Jefferson for Granger, not Millsap!HarrisHaywardGrangerFavors/MillsapOkur/Kanter
Veracity: I like Millsap but he is available because his kind are a dime a
dozen. I know we love to believe our players are not just all-stars but
superstars. On offense, Millsap does fine, but he is too small to guard big PFs
and too slow to guard quick SFs. He does the most he can with his natural
attributes but he has limitations on defense.To me, Millsap isn't
much different than Udonis Haslem, Brandon Bass, Jeff Green, Eduardo Najera, and
half a dozen other hard-working players who do more with their talents than many
more gifted players. If I need a Millsap, I think I can pick one up whenever I
want.fastfox: Hibbert would be nice but he is their starting center
so Indiana is not likely to give him up and he doesn't help the Jazz with their
depth problems at PG and wing.
The only guy I want from Indiana is Hibbert....But I don't think I'd want him
over Milsap, but that's just me. If we did trade Milsap to Indiana, then I'd say
get Hibbert and Collison out of it.
I would like to think that the Jazz can make some deals to get a good core of
solid young players to develop into a winning team. The only problem is that the
Jazz tend to spend a lot of time and money developing players that end up
signing elsewhere in free agency. There just isn't much player loyalty toward
teams. If the Jazz can make the right deals to the right players, they may have
a chance to keep some of them. If only the "all-stars" that get the
big contracts didn't get hurt so often.
I am tired of Utah being the farm club for other NBA teams...we fight for
Millsap and now he's available...come on, we need a new general manager who
understands talent...lets make the general manager available.
How much do they want Millsap? Would they give up George Hill (PG), Brandon Rush
(wing), and a draft pick? That would fill some holes for the Jazz with young
guys (25 & 26 years old) who have played pretty long minutes (20+) coming
off the bench. They're both cheap and provide some depth in places we need
it.Is Indiana desperate enough for Millsap that they will also take
Okur off our hands at the same time with all their cap space?
Haha, Kevin Prichard owns the Utah Jazz. He has killed them financially and made
them give up Matthews, "gotta love baby!"Go Blazers!
Meh, these ESPN rumors are as credible as talking to a hobo about the
Apocolypse.Case in point: Where were these rumors when D-Will
was traded?Or how about the Eric Maynor trade?That's
right....nobody saw those coming. The Jazz hold their cards better than