Dick Harmon: This BYU squad has no Hawaii experience

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  • fan in orem Orem, Utah
    Nov. 30, 2011 12:57 p.m.

    A lot of history in Hawaii for BYU. SOme great plays, such as Morrell's stop of Cherry at the goal line, and McMahon picking up a bad snap and punting it left footed to the one yard line. Also, some of our worst losses ever. It is never a boring game, that's for sure.

  • nairbnosral American Fork, UT
    Nov. 30, 2011 12:50 p.m.

    This is the 28th meeting between BYU and Hawai'i. The Cougars hold a 19-8 advantage over the Warriors. The last time BYU and Hawai'i met was in 2002 when the Cougars defeated the Warriors 35-32. Despite being outgained 455 to 394, BYU picked off Hawai'i four times and came away with the victory.

    Average score: Hawaii 22.3 - BYU 25.5

  • Waipahuboy WAIPAHU, HI
    Nov. 30, 2011 12:30 p.m.

    After Detmer awarded the Heisman, UH-Manoa (da "Rainbow Warriors") put the hurt on the Y. Continued in the bowl game with TAMU - two separated shoulders, IIRC. Double whammy that year. Too bad for Ty.

    And it's the Princess Kaiulani (or Princess K) Hotel in Waikiki. Hope the Y is victorious, but you never know when you play UH @ a sold-out Aloha Stadium. Expect a very tough game, like the BYU-Utah game in September. UH will definitely be pumped.

  • ex patria cougar Tokyo, Japan
    Nov. 30, 2011 6:17 a.m.

    Anyone with a sense of history of this rivalry knows that Harmon has it right. If BYU goes to Hawaii treating the trip like a vacation, or even "just another game," they will lose to a pumped up Hawaii team.

    I agree it may be difficult for the cougs to get pumped up for what may appear to some to be an average WAC team, but BYU needs to be ready for a hard-fought game.

  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    Nov. 29, 2011 10:18 p.m.

    BYU playing another WAC team...........yawn!

  • Wyclif OREM, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 9:57 p.m.

    I am always leery of playing Hawaii, more than any other team. I know our players have been sunburned in the past from beach time, so I agree with Mahe. I wish the schol would send the team to Hawaii the night before the game and give them a couple days afterward to go to the beach, but only if they win.

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    Nov. 29, 2011 5:45 p.m.

    Different Hawaii - no June Jones.

  • Cal Coug Loomis, CA
    Nov. 29, 2011 5:27 p.m.

    Um, I think when Detmer won the Heisman, it was Texas A&M that smacked us upside the head, not Hawaii. But regardless, we didn't play well there. Hopefully, we'll bring our A game to the islands.

  • islandboy Honolulu, HI
    Nov. 29, 2011 4:26 p.m.

    This will be a good game. BYU will not just lay down and let UH take this game. The boys from Hawaii who play for BYU know Aloha Stadium well as many played in the stadium during their high school days. I believe that UH will give BYU a good game. I don't believe that anything that happened in the past will have much bearing on this game. It will come down to who wants it the most. Good luck to both teams.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Nov. 29, 2011 3:07 p.m.

    The BYU game is always a big game for everyone. It has special status. I know Hawaii will be tough and if Nelson starts they will probably win. Hopefully, BYU is ready to face the challenge. It's everyone's dream to beat BYU so I'm sure they have been preparing for this game all season. I hope the team get's some beach time after the game.

  • Anonymous Infinity American Fork, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 12:56 p.m.

    If BYU doesn't strap it on and play their best, Hawaii has a good chance of thumping them, and hurting some people. That playing surface at Aloha Stadium is brutal. By the same token, Utah State got out of Honolulu with a victory, so I see no reason for BYU to falter. Typically BYU is a notoriously bad road team in all sports. For this reason, I would not put any money on them getting out of there with a W. Hopefully the O-line will play well and protect the QB and open some holes for the running game, or it will be a tough outing for the Cougars. Go BYU is all I can say.

  • stampederus Ephraim, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 12:11 p.m.

    I was at the game when BYU last played at Hawaii. My wife and I had been vacationing in Hawaii prior to the game and had to endure the Hawaii players talking smack on their local TV appearances in the week before the game. Unfortunately for BYU, U of H walked the talk. BYU definetly needs to bring it's "A" game and be focused.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 11:53 a.m.

    I'd be shocked if BYU wins this game. They don't typically do well in the islands and with the team they have this year, I would expect Hawaii to win easily.

  • IslandCoug Orem, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 11:52 a.m.

    Travis Uale, Spencer Hafoka, Mote Vea and many other Cougars native to Hawaii will keep their teammates away from the beach. Being closer to the equator makes the sun's rays more intense, the strong current and undertow of the ocean makes swimming much more exhausting and so all of us who grew up playing sports in Hawaii did not go to the beach before we had a big game.
    Thanks to the new ESPN deal, BYU is used to playing late now. That should help them to adjust to the time change. Moniz being out puts the Warriors at a huge disadvantage. Graves threw 2 INTs against Tulane. BYU's defense is much better than Tulane's. I see the Cougars winning by a comfortable margin.
    BYU - 35 Hawaii - 10

  • Ranch Hand Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 11:40 a.m.

    Relax and have a good time. Hit the beach and be sure to get a shave ice and T-shirt at Matsumoto's.

  • washingtonredraider4life KENNEWICK, WA
    Nov. 29, 2011 11:09 a.m.

    I grew up in the islands and it is true that this game for the UH fan is like playing a bowl game. UH could lose all of its regular season games and if UH beat BYU, the season would be considered a success. The animosity comes from BYU picking up highly recruited players out of Hawaii for years (ex. Mark Atuaia,Itula Mili). The locals wanted the boys to stay home to represent UH but when they left to the mainland the locals felt betrayed. Many of the top talent of Hawaii would leave to the mainland for exposure that they would not get playing for UH, who is in a bad TV time zone and plays in a bad conference. When BYU came into town to play UH the team would play their best because they wanted to show the local boys who left that they should have stayed home and represented the state.

  • GoGetter Sandy, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 10:56 a.m.

    Well, in this Indy/WAC schedule, I would consider this BYU's trap game. Especially after a bye week with the thought of going to Hawaii in all the player's minds. This game will make Hawaii bowl eligible if they win. The Cougies better not go out flat footed, as Hawaii will surely take them to the woodshed if they do. They have a very unique home field advantage. I imagine it being very difficult to go into that game focused after a bye week and thanksgiving. It could very well be a close game.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 10:32 a.m.

    I'm excited for this game...many youthful nights were spent trying to stay awake to listen to Paul James call the game. It's good to see this rivalry start up again!

  • Rise and Shout Ogden, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 8:47 a.m.

    looking forward to the game. history says it will be a competitive one. hh says hawaii won't approach it any differently than a game vs. fresno state. history shows hh is usually wrong when it comes to predictions. hope the cougars stay well away from the beach and are focused on the game.

  • Ragnar Danneskjold Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 8:40 a.m.

    I don't like it when writers don't give the team credit, like saying Hawaii plays way above their heads when they play BYU rather than saying that Hawaii is a good football team. It may be true in this case though.

    I can still remember staying up late as a kid and watching some of the games against Hawaii. They were fun to watch. Two teams that love to throw the ball. I think BYU has changed and is a much more balanced offense now, and has a much better D, but it should still be entertaining.

    I wonder if coming out flat is due to what the players do on the road trip. I don't think they are anxious to sneak out and hit the beach or clubs at other places, but the guys will be out late and may be a little tired from playing in the sand, sun, and water.

    Hawaii can be a good team though, it should be an interesting game.

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    Nov. 29, 2011 8:29 a.m.

    Hawaii needs a win to be bowl-eligible, but in reality, the BYU game is their bowl game. Never is the adage, "throw out the record books" more true than it is for this game. LeonardL gives good advice: Stay off the beach before the game.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 8:19 a.m.

    Fast Turf and Sun Burn are no matched for any visiting team on this Aloha Stadium. That is their biggest Rivalry game against BYU not SDSU. I don't remember 72-45 which I think that was when I turned off the tv early. At the same year, first year Gary Cwoton, Brandon Doman & team were informed that we were not in consideration to play in the Fiesta Bowl or any major bowls a week before facing Hawaii was a big let down including losing Luke Staley. Anyway, have fun and don't forget to put on the Sun Screan.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Nov. 29, 2011 8:05 a.m.

    Neither teams knows anything about each other as it's been over a decade since the Y has played on the Island. Dick is trying hard to make you lemmings think Hawaii has circled this Saturday as the "game of the year". In reality it's no different then the Fresno St. game for the Warriors.

  • shorts Payson, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 8:04 a.m.

    Riley Nelson played in Hawaii as a true freshman for USU.

  • bradleyc Layton, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 7:58 a.m.

    I hope BYU has planned to come home on Monday evening. Give the players a couple of days after the game for the beach.

  • LeonardL Sandy, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 6:06 a.m.

    Some advice for the BYU Squad. If before the day of the game, the Hawaii team invites you to hang out at the beach. You might be thinking that these are some very cool guys. What they are doing is trying to get you as bad of a sun burn as possible. That way the next day before the game when you put on your uniform, you will be in total uncomfortable pain. The teams in Hawaii have been tricking visiting teams like this for years.

  • Noblepromise PROVO, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 3:38 a.m.

    BYU offensive will play the hardest hitting team this season as Hawaii on their island is physically tough; as BYU has experienced an offensive beating, even with Detmer and Doman as seasoned quarterback. Hawaii is different when playing on the road.we see how good BYU coaching and BYU players execute against a competitive unranked Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) opponent is. NCAA rules in the past allowed teams to play 13 games if one game was in Hawaii. Not sure why BYU didn't schedule 13 game season and instead went with two byes in the same season. If BYU stays independent, I would want BYU to play the additional game in Hawaii. Its good for recruitment of players from the isles of the pacific. Hawaii is one school that I would have thought they would choose independence especially if NCAA rule allows 13 game season for mainland teams playing in Hawaii. BYU can beat Hawaii, but playing on the island favors the Rainbow Warriors. I would not be surprised if BYU quarterbacks get injured and Lark (3rd string quarterback) ends up the surviving QB.