BYU football: Cougars look to finish strong at Hawaii

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  • Sconserv Littleton, CO
    Nov. 29, 2011 6:27 p.m.


    My humblest apologies for insulting your grammatical style, it is not my place to critique the writings of others. The intent was to respond to your rebuttal but instead I made it personal. Sincerely,

  • Sconserv Littleton, CO
    Nov. 29, 2011 6:19 p.m.


    Thank-you for reading my post, though it was painful to examine the intended response due to poor grammatical command and limited word use, however there a couple of concerns that are worthy of a reply.

    First; it is reported that ESPN/BYU have an 8-year broadcast agreement (unsure of the details and whether or not there are benchmark provisions or extension covenants), but what about year 9? As stated, if viewership is down, than the pay-out amount of the agreement will diminish or the agreement will be allowed to sunset.

    Second; Idaho (12-Nov-11) and New Mexico State (19-Nov-11), both games were preempted through half of the first quarter in order to continue broadcasting more appealing contests and subsequent post-game analysis. While it is true that each BYU game could be streamed on ESPN3, IPTV access is not the same as broadcast delivery.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 10:00 p.m.


    But of course you completely ignore the fact that BYU and ESPN have an 8 year contract, that's right 8 YEARS, so ESPN obviously felt BYU was worth the long term committment and as already agreed to pay them for 8 YEARS. In otherwords BYU already pulls ratings plenty good to justify the contract so all of your "points" are pretty much moot.

    Also BYU decision to play "inferior" teams as you put it is short term and ESPN encouraged BYU to do it. It was well reported that BYU was going to scrap the plan to go independent when Nevada and Fresno bolted from the wac but ESPN came in and told BYU they still wanted them and were actually the ones that kept the deal alive.

    In otherwords your "points" really aren't "points" at all as you have it completely wrong. Also considering ESPN is actively facilitating made for TV games against excellent opponents for BYU, and just a quick glance at BYU's 2013 schedule pretty much shoots down all of the other "points" you thought you were making.

    Would you please tell us which BYU games were "preempted" this year? Good luck with that.

  • rickski13 salt lake city, utah
    Nov. 28, 2011 9:58 p.m.

    utah finished 7-5 and will go to the sun bowl maybe the vegas bowl byu probable finishes 9-3 maybe 8-4 and goes to the wait for it the armed forces bowl. what does this tell us?

  • Sconserv Littleton, CO
    Nov. 28, 2011 9:11 p.m.

    Part 2
    With this in mind, BYUs decision to play inferior opponents is a wise business move as these teams cannot command a higher pay-out that a better program would demand thus higher revenue for the Y. However, this same decision could prove to detrimental if: (a) stadium attendance declines (which appears to be happening); (b) viewership declines; (c) more attractive games can be scheduled in place of a Y contest. Concerning the latter, consider the several games that were joined already in-progress because another game had run long. If the Y was the marquee game then they would never be preempted.
    For those who are grateful for the increased exposure and the ability to watch the games in faraway places, remember this. Without the dedicated fans who attend games in person and purchase sports packages on pay-per-view distribution networks (Dish Network/DirecTV/Comcast/etc.) then there would be no television contract and games would rarely be distributed for broadcast.

  • Sconserv Littleton, CO
    Nov. 28, 2011 9:11 p.m.

    My apologies for a lengthy blog but the limitations that are placed on the commentators are restrictive at best and not suited for a thoughtful response.
    Part I
    I agree with some of the opinions that BYU should find new leadership within the Athletic Department, especially in light that the football program is the key revenue generator that pays for all other sports as well as numerous non-athletic pursuits within the school. The primary source for the positive cash-flow comes through selling broadcasting rights, which in this case are held by ESPN. ESPN will pay for the rights to broadcast games if: (a) Neilson Ratings determine viewership is high enough to generate advertising sales; (b) those viewing the game(s) will continue to watch teams even if they do not have a like/dislike relationship; and (c) as in the case of BYU, games can be scheduled to accommodate more profitable contests (i.e. SEC).

  • LouisD Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 28, 2011 7:23 p.m.

    patriot, it was a one year deal. And sorry, but I've got the experience to look at the teams BYU played in late Octobers and Novembers past and see that the yawners this year were really no worse. Colorado State was rocked by Col,orado which lost to hawaii which has only been competitive in the WAC. For all the opinion out there, yours included, the reality is, BYU lined up who they could as best as they could. That you live in Ceder Hills and can see games live at your pleasure is fine. But what would you have done better than Mr. Holmoe this year given all the circumstances?

    It easy to complain but let everyone know what solutions or better decisions you would have offered? Even though many of your concerns are valid, what point is there in complaining over a very temporary situation? BYU's schedule gets vastly better in future years. Are we just being impatient and complaining for the sake of being critical? BYU still played Ol' Miss, Texas, Utah, UCF, and TCU this year (all in or about to become AQ BCS Conference programs). Seemes he did a great job to me.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Nov. 28, 2011 6:50 p.m.


    Not convinced that Utah is getting a better bowl game. LV is about par, and the ironies are too beautiful for words. From there it goes downhill for our brethren to the north.

    The only thing I don't know, and it is honest ignorance I will admit, is how much credence is given to conference standing versus won-loss record. Because finishing 8th in conference, even if the top two go BCS, isn't going to get them very far, I would think.

  • Y Grad Pumping Gas Beaver, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 6:14 p.m.

    Forget Reilly, forget Heaps, this year is a wash!

    I am soooo upset that Utah got Chase Hansen from Lone Peak!

    He went with them because they have a better program.

    Fire Holmoe and get our program back on track to where it use to be!

    Lets Band together Brothers

  • Teddy Bear Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 28, 2011 3:49 p.m.

    DH wrote an article two or three weeks ago that basically negated the argument that BYU's November schedule is any weaker this year than it has been in the past 10 years. It's just the opponents are less exciting.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 3:32 p.m.

    @ patriot | 3:08 p.m. Nov. 28, 2011
    Cedar Hills, UT

    " If BYU wants BCS access they are going to have to put up or shut up... like TCU and Utah did." That's their problem, to date they haven't been able to put up and their fans refuse to shut up.

  • Weber State Graduate Clearfield, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 3:29 p.m.

    In my arm chair opinion, the quarterback that should start should be the one that fits best within the Doman offense. Unfortunately, Doman's offense does a disservice to the type of style that best suits Heap's skill set.

    Nelson fits much better into the Doman scheme. I have no doubt that if Doman changed the offense to match Jake's skills, BYU would do much better...not likely to happen.

    Unfortunately, Doman is the wrong OC at BYU for a player with Heaps skill set.

    Nov. 28, 2011 3:26 p.m.

    Winning hides a great many mistakes. Nelson escapes the criticism of BYU fans because the team won games, at times easily, under Nelson. That said, consider the following stats.

    With Heaps as the starter, DiLuigi ran for 214 yards on 51 carries and Michael Alisa amassed 2 total yards on 3 carries. The run game was beyond pathetic.

    When Nelson stepped in as the starter Michael Alisa also got an increased role and, since then, has tallied 402 yards on 69 carries (5.83 per). DiLuigi? 318 yards on 50 carries.

    Some have speculated that the team simply plays better for Nelson than they did for Heaps. I think it more likely that Nelson simply is the beneficiary of improved play calling and a better run game, which means that he is asked to pass less often than Heaps.

    Don't agree? Consider that Nelson has thrown an interception every 25 attempts, while Heaps averages 1 for every 31.38 attempts. If there had been a run game for Heaps to rely on AT ALL, then he might have had the same success that Nelson experienced (without mentioning the step down in competition at this end of the schedule).

  • Barney Google Beaver, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 3:26 p.m.


    "Wow. You sure are a die hard BYU fan. Weird how you don't even know how to spell "LaVell." Nice to see you back on the boards Hedgehog."

    No, not Hedgehog, I am a die hard BYU fan though, spell in came with the degree at the Y. sorry.

    @Y Grad / Y Dad

    " For us, that took until the second half of the Utah State game."

    I was embarrassed when our Y fans rushed the field at the Utah State game! Utah State! Jiminy Christmas
    I understand rushing the field if we beat the U, but, Oh No, they come out and clean our clock 54-10
    And now, they'll be going to a bigger better bowl game than us! CANT stand it!

    I say fire Holmoe, get this program back on track! Indy is terrible!

    Band of Brothers forever!

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 3:08 p.m.


    Idaho, Idaho State, San Jose ST and New Mexico St are a step down from New Mexico, Colorado State, San Deigo St, etc.. in anyone's book. I think you are the only one that actually thinks BYU's schedule was consistent with past years. It wasn't. 2011 was the worst and weakest schedule BYU has had in 30 years and the Armed Forces Bowl will most likely be the weakest bowl opponent BYU has ever faced. Recall that even in good years BYU had close calls with Colorado State and New Mexico as well as San Deigo St. Add to all of this BYU turning into a (yawn) running team under Nelson and you get 65000 disgruntled fans hoping that things will somehow change going forward. There is no way Tom Holemo is going to sell out with a home schedule like this year and a 5'11" running QB. If BYU wants BCS access they are going to have to put up or shut up... like TCU and Utah did.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Nov. 28, 2011 2:39 p.m.

    JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt and others:

    Still stinging from Friday? That's alright, 54-10 still stings too, but after awhile, you get over the humiliation and learn to love your team again.

    For us, that took until the second half of the Utah State game.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Nov. 28, 2011 2:33 p.m.

    Hawaii > Pac south teams

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    Nov. 28, 2011 2:18 p.m.

    Y Grad Pumping Gas

    Wow. You sure are a die hard BYU fan. Weird how you don't even know how to spell "LaVell." Nice to see you back on the boards Hedgehog.

  • cowboy99 South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 1:58 p.m.

    BYU is playing for something this game. Right now we are on the fringes of a top 25 ranking (ranked 28th in the coaches poll) and if we win both this Hawaii game and the bowl game we will be ranked for sure.

    Jake Heaps right now cannot throw across the middle of the field right now, while Riley threw more TD pass in 3 quarters against USU and SJSU (who were just as good as anyone else we played this year with the exception of TCU) than Jake did the rest of the season. Looks like Riley can throw the ball just fine.

    Fact is, my poor heart can't take anymore lame telegraphed pass to the short out right (Heap's favorite kind) that either get intercepted or only goes for 3 yards.

    Let's hear no more of this we need to develop him garbage. If a player is prepared to start, it won't take him full 2 seasons for him to emerge. Soph QB all over the country are starting and are doing great! Max Hall was a soph and won 11 games against a difficult schedule. I'd say redshirt and let him stew some more.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 1:48 p.m.

    You know Hawaii will be pumped up for this game. We are the biggest game on their schedule.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 1:36 p.m.


    Enjoy your helmet stickers cougars because that's all you get from this season of playing for nothing. You didn't even have a chance to play for anything. Congrats on your conference championship Band of Uncle Ricos (Napoleon Dynamite reference for the slow people) who live 30 years in the past.

    I only wish Utah had helmet stickers, then we would know for sure that they even took the field...

    I know, do I remember 54-10?

    Well yes I do, it was Utah basketball score when they lost to Ashville.

  • LouisD Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 28, 2011 1:36 p.m.

    Patriot makes the same mistake many myopic Utah's make, that what THEY think must automatically be true nationally.

    The fact is, BYU played a slightly tougher list of opponents than in the past. So? NMSU, ISU, Idaho and SJSU have replaced Wyoming, Colorado State, New Mexico and UNLV...they are interchangeable. BYU's MWC schedules were no more or less relevant.

    What "patriot" completely ignores is that BYU was the sought after property. People that count (not the Pac-10, not the Big-12, not the Big East) wanted BYU. ESPN wanted BYU.

    Bristol doesn't toss good money after bad or invest in losers. ESPN knows why it wanted BYU and backed it. BYU is a 4 decade old tradition, a perennial top 10-30 program no matter what. BYU has the 23rd most active fan base in the country and draws among NON-FAN VIEWERS better than almost any other team. ESPN says BYU is relevant.

    Add a 65,000 seat stadium, 23,000 seat arena and BYU is relevant. Good ratings says BYU is relevant. Another top 25 finish can be achieved this year also, keeping BYU relevant. Sorry, BYU is relevant! Case Closed!

  • Ted H. Midvale, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 1:27 p.m.

    Ute grad fired from job pumping gas -

    Let me just take this opportunity to tell you how much I enjoyed the Utah Colorado game. Everything was in place for Utah in the title game.
    USC over UCLA - Check
    Cal over ASU - Check
    Utah home game over gimme Colorado - Check

    It appeared just a formality to even play the game. Right?

    I love knowing that Max's comments are proved correct day after day. I love knowing how much BYU bothers you. I absolutely love it.


  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 1:24 p.m.

    If Heaps decides to leave, I hope he goes to a program that BYU will play against so he can burn the Cougars for giving up on him...and he has the ability to do so...and the nay sayers would deserve every bit of it.

    What I can't understand is if Bronco is the judge of talent people think he is, then he should play the person he has declared is an NFL quarterback and not the loose cannon many people are pushing...if Rily is the quarterback next year, he will bit BYU with his erratic play and poor decision making or being injured throwing the BYU offense on a John Hays clone.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    Nov. 28, 2011 12:55 p.m.

    Hawaii plays BYU tough but I think BYU is just better and if both teams play clean, BYU wins by 20. I think Heaps is the future. I like watching Riley play but I don't think he is the guy. If he is the guy next year, I hope Heaps redshirts, matures, and comes back stronger than ever. Go Cougars.

  • Ted H. Midvale, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 12:40 p.m.

    Wow Riverton I sure pushed a button huh? Funny.

    My post was more stating my belief that Jake is definitely gone than saying "Jake won't ever be good." I hope Jake redshirts and stays and has two great years after that. That would be fantastic and I'd cheer for him like I have in the past, even during struggles.

    However, he's been asked about his future many times and it seems to me if he thought there was a decent chance he was staying he'd just say "I'm going to stay" and then evalute things in offseason. The fact that his only response is "I dont want to talk about it" is a signal he's leaning hard towards leaving. Let's not be clueless and ignore what he's saying.

    By the "and thats fine" I wasn't saying jake has peaked and that he'll be no good. Again, its just saying I believe Jake is leaving and that next year Riley will play ok(like this year) and after that the coaches will put in whoever is best.

    But I'm glad you were able to vent some frustration, seems that was needed.

  • Y Grad Pumping Gas Beaver, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 12:37 p.m.

    Im tired of playing cupcake teams!

    86 this stupid Indy idea.

    One lose in our regular season and its over!

    Please Brethren, fire Holmoe and get the program back on track like the good ol days of LeVelle.

    Band of Brothers forever

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Nov. 28, 2011 12:04 p.m.

    I agree that Heaps should start. Nelson is still injured, and while he's a gamer for sure, and I love him, a composed dart-throwing Heaps should get the start. It is easy to be hypercritical, but Heaps was playing for a new OC. The play-calling in the first three games was pretty bad - much different from the last three. This shows that Doman is figuring out how to run this team. Heaps will be able to quarterback this team.

    As for losing in Hawaii - well, it will be a tough game, but I think this BYU team at this time is going to be tougher and will win this game.

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 12:01 p.m.

    Some college football websites are forecasting SMU will be BYU's opponent in the Armed Forces Bowl. But whether it is SMU (who beat TCU earlier in the year) or Tulsa, it will be an intriguing game for sure.

    @Wayne Rout 9:26

    With all due respect, you honestly believe this season was the most disappointing one in 45 years? What about the three losing seasons the Cougars had before Bronco became head coach? What about LaVell's last year when the team lost two QBs to injury and finished 6-6? What about '95 and '97 when BYU got thumped by Utah and just missed out on playing in a bowl game?

    @Louisiana Cougar 11:34

    You may be right. Hawaii and their fans will definitely be pumped for this game, so the Cougars better not go into it thinking they're playing Idaho or New Mexico State again.

    @LouisD 11:36

    I'm not a "Nelson supporter," but the fact is, there's a reason why Jake Heaps was pulled from the Utah State game.

    Heaps did show a lot of improvement against New Mexico State, but no matter who starts against Hawaii, they'll have to play their A game.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 12:01 p.m.

    Come on Jeff ... it's not the wins over San Jose, Idaho , New Mex St and Hawaii that anyone cares about. It's the losses to Texas, Utah and TCU that matter - two of which were blow outs at home. This is NOT a successful season and the 8-3 or even 9-3 record is a joke. BYU has had ONE quality win all season and that was the first game of the year against a SEC team on the road. If Bronco wants BCS access he is going to have to beat the big boys - actually first schedule then beat the big boys.... then he can talk. Until then BYU has been forgotten nationally.

  • LouisD Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 28, 2011 11:36 a.m.

    Nelson supporters forget the numerous red zone turnovers vs TCU, or that LUCK played a bigger part in 2:3 passes on final drive vs Utah State. Nelson has a higher turnovers/snap ratio than Heaps against lesser competition.

    The assumption that Nelson would have defeated Texas or Utah is ludicrous. We don't know! Nelson's propensity to cough it up making enormously bad decisions in scoring position against lesser teams gives me pause. He is certainly no better than Heaps protecting the ball. In 3o+ year as a football writer I think Nelson is worse. That 30 years allows me to temper opinion with historic perspective (having seen greats - Detmer, McMahon, Wilson, Young, Sheide, Neilson, Doman and Sarkesian with similar TD-INT/TO ratios this many games into their careers.

    Heaps is a QB and Neilson is a Wildcatter at best. If BYU wants a wildcatter then switch to the spread offense. Otherwise, be committed to the game you bring, and play a real quarterback. Spell Heaps to change it up and confuse a defense. But be committed to what you are. BYU is a drop back system...End of Argument! Heaps should start!

  • Louisiana Cougar Pineville, LA
    Nov. 28, 2011 11:34 a.m.

    The Rainbows will thump the Cougars and will put both Nelson and Heaps out of the game.

    The BYU game is bigger than ANY bowl game that Hawai'i could play. The fans will be pumped and the Hawai'i team will come out on fire.

    BYU may lose as badly as the game they lost when Doman played on the island about a decade ago.

  • Anonymous Infinity American Fork, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 10:59 a.m.

    Based on the Utah State score over Hawaii on their trip to the islands, BYU will be in for a dog fight. This season has had its ups and downs against teams that are going nowhere, including Texas, Utah State, Utah. Clearly the Cougars best fit for a conference affiliation is the Big XII. The ongoing problems revolve around BYU's Sunday playing issues, and the TV agreements. The WCC is probably as good a fit for basketball and other sports that conference participates in. The WCC is a faith based conference which BYU should stick with in my opinion. What has irked me over the years with Title IX is the elimination of such sports as men's gymnastics, wrestling, scoccer, and the possibility of men's softball, a sport that would be great. Title IX is a detriment to international and olympic competition. BYU will always be behind the curve on football recruiting visa vie the major collegiate programs. I hope the Cougars can get out of Honolulu with a W, which will be difficult based on their history in the islands with better teams in the past. I think it will be a whistling through the cemetary adventure.

  • fan in orem Orem, Utah
    Nov. 28, 2011 10:54 a.m.

    It is amazing how losing one game to a 10 loss team will quiet the haters for awhile. Thank goodness for small miracles. Other than Doug and Dennis, it has been nice to read some comments about the game and the team, without sifting through all the inane comments. Thanks Buffs!

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Nov. 28, 2011 10:43 a.m.


    wow what funny stuff, just about as funny as Napoleon Dynamite. Only 12 yr old girls think that show is funny. Anyway, here's something that is truly funny though

    Utes 14
    The Mighty Buffs 17 lol

    The sun bowl oh boy, the nation will be tuning that one in.

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 10:27 a.m.

    Note to Cougars: don't overlook your last opponent like another local team did.

  • So. Cal Reader Escondido, CA
    Nov. 28, 2011 9:49 a.m.

    Let's hope for a big Cougs victory to end the regular season. This will be a tough game. It's always a challenging game any time a team travels to the island. And, Riley, enjoy this "vacation" trip for you only. No business trip for you. Get 100% healthy and ready for the bowl game.

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    Nov. 28, 2011 9:38 a.m.

    It seems like every year this team needs a big game and ends up going to Hawaii, the team lays a total egg. It's not so critical this year because the future is already decided, but I feel a huge ostrich sized egg about to be layed on Sat. I hope I am wrong though.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Nov. 28, 2011 9:21 a.m.

    Heaps and Nelson are 180 degree polar opposites in their style / abilities. This year BYU's offense needed Nelson to give it a jump start. Maybe because of Doman's inability as an OC? Maybe because Heaps didn't put in enough work in the off-season? Maybe because of a hundred other things? But the reality is Nelson moved the offense and put points on the board and Heaps did not. Sure Heaps has more potential, and I hope he stays and redshirts. But college football is about winning, and Heaps was not giving us that opportunity.

    If Nelson would have played against Texas, I have no doubt we would have won. If Nelson would have played against Utah, the game would not have gotten out of hand. If Heaps would have played against TCU, it could have turned into a 54-10 route. If Heaps had stayed in against USU, we would have one more loss. Either QB would have won the rest of the games.

    I hope Nelson is able to return for the bowl game against a solid CUSA opponent. And I hope Nelson is the starter next year, with Heaps polishing his skills as a redshirt with BYU.

  • LouisD Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 28, 2011 9:12 a.m.

    I ascribe the Nelson love to the Tebow excitement factor. When he uses his feet, he can be darned exciting to watch. He can also be effective. He can get you 60 yards down field and into the blue zone. Then he can break your heart and turn it over in the same place by making terrible choices. Excitement isn't necessarily effective play all the time.

    Consider the myth surrounding SEC greatness. SEC teams (LSU excepted) play a lot of non-conference patsies, often build glossy records and are considered by everyone to be head and shoulders better than all other conferences, when an inch taller is reality. Ever seen an SEC contest live? People confuse 75-110,000 seat stadiums filled with perfectly color coordinated semi inebriated fans (the pageantry), with great football. It is as if the show must mean the play is better, yet Boise State rocked possible SEC champion Georgia in game 1 down there. Pageantry isn't reality on-the-field.

    Nelson is a lot of pageantry, exciting, colorful, gets you close, but he fails/to's it far too often in the red zone where the yards get harder and defenses get larger!

  • LouisD Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 28, 2011 8:52 a.m.

    Nelson has his detractors and Heaps has his. I find most observers probably have more ties to either family, high school or ward than reality.

    Reality! Heaps is a true quarterback and players do not get better without work.

    Nelson is a wildcat, a single-wing guy in an era when the single wing is no longer played. He's too small to be Jordon Jefferson and not smart/talented enough to be Steve Young. His feet may get you places his arm should have but couldn't.

    Those who criticize Heaps failures at times do NOT understand how difficult it is to hit an area the 150% the size of a basketball hoop moving at 25 mph from half-court or the opposite baseline accurately; yet you'll ascribe greatness to Jimmer Ferdett who hits a non moving hoop from 20 feet away. It is difficult to throw accurately without consistent practice under pressure.

    Nelson is lucky at times. Don't confuse luck with being good. A wildcat isn't bad. It has a place like a change-of-pace, but not as a starting quarterback at BYU, not since 1958. Both have value. Heaps should start.

  • GJ Greenwood, IN
    Nov. 28, 2011 8:43 a.m.

    If Hawaii is found guilty in the NCAA point shaving investigation will the NCAA make them vacate their losses?

  • Dennis Harwich, MA
    Nov. 28, 2011 7:50 a.m.

    We can only hope the Administration shuts down the program and puts everyone out of their misery.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 7:39 a.m.

    Unlike most coaches who begin the season with 2 quarterbacks BYU can conclude the season with a 2 quarterback system.

    When the Cougars need to run the ball they can put in Nelson although with a bowl game on the line why would you risk further injury prior to that?

    When you need to complete a pass you can put in Jake who can throw more than 18 yards without it looking like a lame duck.

    Bronco can dig his way out of his past sayings that have not been thoughtful such as "when Nelson recovers he will start" by starting HEaps and when Heaps digs himslef a hole he can insert Nelson. If Heaps wins Nelson can be kept in check.

  • CaliforniaCougar Lake Elsinore, CA
    Nov. 28, 2011 7:07 a.m.

    Been to see a couple of BYU games at Hawaii. Great atmosphere. The locals really get up for this game and BYU has a strong following there. Should be fun.

  • Noblepromise PROVO, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 6:02 a.m.

    Hawaii will be BYU toughest opponent since TCU, especially when playing on the island as time zone difference and sea level are more of a distraction than the beach. This first year of independence strength of schedule was no better than when BYU was member of MWC or WAC as it was playing second tier Division I-A teams which typically don't have ranked teams (being in the top 25) because their schedule is considered weak by sport news media and coaches polls. If BYU goal is to just have a winning season and go to a low payout bowl (less than $2 million) than they will replicate the 2011 season in the upcoming years. Hopefully BYU doesn't schedule teams to just ensure the coach or team has a winning season.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Nov. 28, 2011 2:23 a.m.

    Enjoy your helmet stickers cougars because that's all you get from this season of playing for nothing. You didn't even have a chance to play for anything. Congrats on your conference championship Band of Uncle Ricos (Napoleon Dynamite reference for the slow people) who live 30 years in the past.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    Nov. 27, 2011 10:21 p.m.

    Ted H., what do you mean it's fine if Jake leaves? I'm sure if your employer was as hard on you as you and many of the "faithful" Cougar fans have been with Jake, you would have been fired shortly after being hired for some small mistake.

    Cut him some slack, and realize that he's only going to get better. I remember my senior year I was better at what I did than I was my junior and sophomore years.

  • Ted H. Midvale, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 9:58 p.m.

    Jake is gone. The fact that he doesn't say "I am staying" means he is gone. And that's fine.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Nov. 27, 2011 9:47 p.m.

    Bronco's record after bye weeks is very strong. Hopefully, this is an indicator of how the team will do versus Hawaii.

    However, I don't think Bronco's taken a team there yet. So, the lovely distraction that Hawaii is (I've been there a few times), could be detrimental if he doesn't manage it all properly.

    Glad they're going over there a few days in advance. Should help acclimate them so they can be focused on game day.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Nov. 27, 2011 9:26 p.m.

    I hope Nelson never starts another game for BYU. This year has been the most disappointing season in my memory toing back 45 years. I'm sure Nelson is a nice kid, but quarterbacks who can't throw and make poor decisions are a dime a dozen. The only hope for next year is Heaps. What ever the coaches did to him to set him back for this year may be undone by next year. If not it will be the same old the easy games, loose the tough ones.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 9:22 p.m.

    Boy am I glad we are not playing the Giant Killers Colorado.

  • Y Grad Pumping Gas Beaver, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 9:13 p.m.

    Hawaii, follow the rainbow, we should join the WAC

    Band of Brothers forever!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Nov. 27, 2011 9:06 p.m.

    If it's Tulsa we play in the Armed Forces Bowl, it will be a very good game. Even though they have four losses, all four losses are to Top 10 teams - Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Boise State and Houston.

    UCF is the only common opponent between Tulsa and BYU, and the score indicates an even match in that both teams beat UCF 24-17.

    I hope Nelson is fully recovered by December 30.