Utes' bowl prospects cloudy after devastating loss

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    Nov. 30, 2011 4:50 p.m.

    it's funny that any about BYU or Utah football turns into a battle. A Ute fan comments on a BYU article, he is a troll. A byu fan comments on a Utah article, he is a troll. Here is the bottom line - None of us have much to brag about this season. - The Utes had a tough go. They weren't a good team, and that was exacerbated by their complete lack of depth at the quarterback position. They did not play tough competition and I don't believe that any U fan in his heart believes that the PAC 12 South is top level football. On the other side of the coin, BYU wasn't great this season either. They lost the games that mattered, also had problems early on at QB, and completely melted down against TCU. They barely beat USU and stormed the field (something I hope they look back on with embarrassment). They played, not just bad teams, but boring teams later in the season. Utah has one thing going for them - they are playing in a well respected conference, a place every BYU fan wishes they were, even if they lie and say the PAC12 stinks.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 30, 2011 3:58 p.m.


    "I'm convinced you haven't been in Ft. Worth because it isn't much better than El Paso. The only advantage is that it's close to Dallas."

    Well if that is "the only advantage" it seems like one heck of an advantage in comparison to being in El Paso which is no more than spitting distance from Juarez, Mexico, the murder capital of the world, and Las Cruces, New Mexico, the stink capital of the world. But hey to each their own.

  • MidMajor4ever Syracuse, UT
    Nov. 30, 2011 12:28 a.m.


    I always go to Utah's bowl games, only missed one since the McBride era. I will be sure to send you a postcard.

    What's up with your talk of a "bus trip"? Is that how you travel to byu bowl games? I wouldn't waste time on a bus.

    I'm convinced you haven't been in Ft. Worth because it isn't much better than El Paso. The only advantage is that it's close to Dallas.

    Are you a "fan"? Will you be watching byu's bowl on ESPN like all the other byu "fans"?

    Go Utes, Aggies and Cougars. 3 for 3 would be a nice finish to a frustrating football season for our state.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 9:23 p.m.


    Well just like most of the other utah "fans" on here you'll be staying home and watching it on tv anyway so I suppose the fact it is in the nations armpit is no big deal. Well except that if it was in San Diego you'd probably all be going so yea I suppose the location does matter.

    If you do decide to take that bus trip to el paso please check in and let us know all of the fun stuff you're doing, the great sites you're seeing, and how big your share of the bowl payout turns out to be.

  • MidMajor4ever Syracuse, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 8:10 p.m.


    If Utah is really tied for 7th in the PAC-12 like you say they are, shouldn't the Utes be playing LSU for the National Championship at the mid-tier Holliday Bowl?

    6-5 Michigan was tied for 7th in the BIG-10 in 1984 and they played the WAC powerhouse byu who came from behind to beat them and claim the only NC with an "*".

    FYI Da, eight PAC-12 teams will go to bowl games and all eight bowls payout is higher than the mid-major chopper bowl in beautiful Fort Worth, Texas.

    Duhky, lower tier bowls payout $600K (see mid-major chopper bowl). The mid-tier Sun Bowl invites ACC and PAC-12 schools and pays each team $2MM. While El Paso isn't on my list of favorite cities, I find it equal to Ft. Worth. The ONLY thing better about Ft. Worth is its a short drive away from Dallas.

    Thanks for the irrational entertainment!

    Nov. 29, 2011 5:43 p.m.

    Utah fans, dont worry about what bowl you will end up in, because its not going to happen. You're tied for 7th in the PAC and other teams like ASU and CAL travel better than you. So better luck next year. Your season is over.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 4:47 p.m.

    @naval lint

    Nope. The sun bowl would be the absolutely last bowl, with the exception of the one in Boise, that I would want my team to attend.

    When I go to regular season football or basketball games on the road I generally just go for the game and don't spend any more time in the city I go to than that. But for a bowl game, well my family usually makes a vacation of it and we spend several days there and enjoy everything about the experience.

    Now you won't be going to the sun bowl anyway so all of your tortured postulations about it are pretty much irrelevent, it could be in any city anywhere and you'll just be watching on tv unless you can't get your shift at taco bell covered.

    But as far as the sun bowl being any better than any other of 30 something bowls that aren't being played for the championship, well it isn't. And the destination is demonstrably worse. You can make all the claims about how prestigious and lucrative you think it is but you aren't convincing anyone. It's just a low tier bowl in a dump.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Nov. 29, 2011 1:19 p.m.


    "Yep you're very bitter about last friday. But of course you posted in other threads during the weekend so your excuse is, how shall we say this, false."

    Was it? Okay then....please identify the articles I posted on.

    As for El Paso....I spent my Jr. and Sr. years of high school in TX. I've been through El Paso, so I know what it's like. I wouldn't spend an entire week there, but neither would I in Pasadena, San Antonio, San Diego, Las Vegas, or San Francisco. I'd just fly down the day before the game, and fly back the day after. There isn't a single city in the Pac-12's, MWC's, or Indy-WACs possible postseason destinations that I hadn't already been to, so it isn't as though I'd have been doing any sight-seeing anyway.

    "...no one cares about the sun bowl."

    That's just your mid-majored sour grapes speaking. You care. You wish the Y could get invited to a top multi-million bowl game, but in the end, even YOU know the cougars are just too mid-majorey for a prestigious bowl like the Sun. Armed Forces vs. CUSA is more YOUR speed.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 11:26 a.m.

    @naval lint

    Yep you're very bitter about last friday. But of course you posted in other threads during the weekend so your excuse is, how shall we say this, false.

    Of course how would I know what a pit el paso is if I hadn't been there? But as far as how presitigious the sun bowl is, well, it's not. Who really cares? No one at all except for the fans of the teams playing in it and even then I guarantee all of them would have rather gone somewhere else. I don't care what the payout is, I don't care if you're playing a mid level acc team, I don't care if the el paso convention and visitor buereu tells you that it is the garden spot of the planet. I know it is not a nice place to visit and that no one cares about the sun bowl.

    I'd say have fun but of course you won't be going to it anyway now will you.

    I wonder of there will be buses for the few utah "fans" that will go? They'll need them because it is almost impossible to fly there from SLC.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Nov. 29, 2011 10:27 a.m.


    "I love how you have been completely absent from all of the utah/colorado game threads."

    You noticed that did you? Maybe you should change your name to "Naval Vet Hunter" then. Stalker.

    Anyhow, did you ALSO notice that last Friday was part of Thanksgiving weekend? I was traveling. I don't drive and type at the same time.

    As for the prestige of the Sun Bowl, did you know that along with the Orange and Sugar Bowls, the Sun is tied as the nation's 2nd oldest postseason game? Did you know that the per team payout is over $2M? Sounds pretty prestigious to me. If it weren't the bowl opponent would most likely be some C-USA also-ran team.

    And I love how at 4:44, you pan going to El Paso as a horrible bowl destination, but then follow that post up 5-hrs later to boast of going there yourself "several times" for regular season matchups. I guess it can't be THAT bad if you'd make multiple trips to watch the cougars take on that juggernaut "UTEP" [*snicker*]!

    Bowl games > Regular season games vs. UTEP;
    Sun Bowl > Armed Forces Bowl, and you KNOW it!

  • MidMajor4ever Syracuse, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 9:42 a.m.

    LOL duhkhunter, please keep telling yourself you'd rather play Tulsa, another mid-major, for a $600K payout rather than play Virginia or Georgia Tech in a $2MM payout game!

    Thanks for your continued irrational spins, it just shows me how obsessed you are with the University of Utah.

    FYI, Sun Bowl (ACC vs. PAC-12) > mid-major chopper bowl (Conf. USA vs byu).

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 9:44 p.m.

    @CO Ute

    I wouldn't rather go to the sun bowl than the Helicopter Bowl. The truth is they are both just bowl games. No real prestige in either of them despite the attempts to claim the Sun Bowl is somehow prestigious. As a fan I don't really give a crap that the Sun Bowl pays more, that doesn't matter to me. BYU has plenty of money plus I don't get any of it. El Paso is probably the most dirty, disgusting, scroungy city in the USA. I've been there several times for BYU football and basketball games and other than the game itself nothing else there is worth ever seeing. Ft. Worth on the otherhand is a pretty cool city with alot of stuff to do. So from a purely where would I as a fan prefer to go and spend a bowl week perspective I would much prefer to go to the Helicopter bowl in Ft. Worth than the Sun bowl in El Paso.

    Now if the utes are chosen for one of the San Diego Bowls then it is a no brainer and I as a fan would much rather go to San Diego.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 9:21 p.m.

    54-10 still stings.

    Nov. 28, 2011 9:07 p.m.

    I'd rather see my team playing an AAC team in the Sun Bowl than a C-USA team in the Helicopter Bowl and so would most honest BYU fans. (Note to all the haters who will reply with ridiculous comments - I did not make any negative comment about your team, this post is simply about which is the better bowl option.)

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Nov. 28, 2011 7:08 p.m.


    You do realize that every time you belittle BYU, you belittle your own record. After all, I've heard many times that the BYU thrashing was one of Utah's quality wins? Opponent with a winning record?

    Personally, I don't care. Your team humiliated my team and I still love my team. I respect your team. But I do gag over some of your over-inflated fans.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 4:44 p.m.

    @naval lint

    I love how you have been completely absent from all of the utah/colorado game threads. LOL!

    Now you are trying to tell us that going to a bowl that no one cares about, sun bowl, in perhaps the worst destination in the USA, el paso, is somehow "prestigious", "relevent", "desirable", or any other spin you want to put on it. If I was you I'd be praying one of the San Diego Bowls or the Vegas Bowl is where utah will go, not the sun bowl. Who, outside of chris hill, cares if it pays a bit more than those other bowls. Going to el paso is the equivalent of having your bowl game played at envirocare or dugway proving grounds. It is an absolute pit.

    Nov. 28, 2011 3:28 p.m.

    Naval: you are absolutely right. We don't want to see Utah vs TCU. We all know which team would dominate that bowl game. Definitely NOT Utah.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Nov. 28, 2011 1:09 p.m.


    "As ye sew..."

    Haha! Looks like cougar fans are at it again in butchering English vernacular. It isn't "sew"; it's "sow". As in "sowing a field" vis-a-vis "planting that which one intends to reap".

    And don't try to come back here with excuses such as "typo". The "e" is the middle finger of your left hand; the "o" is the ring finger of your right. You just didn't know the proper usage of this common expression. So back to grade school for you.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Nov. 28, 2011 1:00 p.m.


    "Where's all your angst against UCLA by losing 50 - 0 to USC? That's a greater margin than 54 - 10 that you trumpet at least 3 times on every DNews story, either Utah or BYU."

    Well we wouldn't be harping on the Bruins HERE. Bruin fans don't frequent the DNews. Nope...over HERE, we say "54-10" because THAT's who reads these articles and comments. Besides, it's kind of hard to blast a team with a better conference record than us for losing by such a wide margin, and ESPECIALLY on account of them losing to the leagues BEST team at USC, whereas we just got beat by the leagues WORST team at Home.

    I hope you and all your frantic and emotional cronies enjoy seeing Utah NOT playing TCU in the Las Vegas Bowl, but rather an ACC team in El Paso.

    Oregon-Rose; Stanford-Fiesta; Washington-Alamo; California-Holiday; Utah-Sun; Arizona State-Las Vegas; Nobody cares-Helicopter.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Nov. 28, 2011 12:22 p.m.


    "Utah either ends up in the Vegas or Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl in San Fran. I guess change of conference didn't get you a better Bowl. The Utes are in the same old bowls they've been in before."

    If there had been ONE at least semi-respectable media outlet that was projecting Utah to go to the New Mexico Bowl, cougar fans would have been all over it. But when the majority of sportswriters place Utah in the Sun Bowl, cougar fans frantically and emotionally cling to the least probable scenerio of Utah winding up back in Vegas.

    You cannot "guess [the] change in conference didn't get [us] a better Bowl" because the bowl invitations haven't been issued yet. I know you cougar fans are REALLY HOPING that Utah doesn't get the Sun, because if we did, you all know that Utah's Pac-12 fate would be an enormous improvement over our potential MWC bowl destinations, and you're all still smarting about not being wanted. Funny thing is, Vegas is still > than Ft. Worth. Haha!

    But you were right about Utah back in the same old bowls we've been before. We won the Sun back in '38.

  • NT Springville, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 11:59 a.m.

    Let the reminiscing of the good ole days begin!

  • Gazpacho Logan, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 11:43 a.m.


    Please man, just go away. I'm a BYU fan and you're not helping here!! Stop! D'Anconia beat you down! Stop!

  • D'Anconia Providence, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 9:54 a.m.


    That was for your benefit, not mine.


  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 9:31 a.m.


    Keep clinging to that.

    Le minerai de plus que les choses changent elles restent les memes.


  • D'Anconia Providence, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 9:24 a.m.


    Here is some perspective for you. Your team got its eyes beat shut by Utah. You do realize that every time you belittle Utah, you are only making your team look that much worse?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 9:10 a.m.


    Great points. Losers always gain perspective. It looks like you've gained yours.

  • D'Anconia Providence, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 8:46 a.m.

    It was either lose a close one at home (missing 3 field goals) or get humiliated by Oregon the week after. In either case BYU fans would finally get their "release". I guess it would be fun to tweak them one final week, which would drive some of them to a complete nervous breakdown. But at the end of the day, as a Utah fan, I knew my team wasn't at a level to compete with the top teams in the pac-12. They need a lot more depth at key positions, more experience, and better coaching. I would much rather my team get to the Pac-12 championship game, not by needing the stars to align, but rather by destroying every team(not just BYU) on its schedule.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 11:29 p.m.

    @ 54 - 10

    Where's all your angst against UCLA by losing 50 - 0 to USC? That's a greater margin than 54 - 10 that you trumpet at least 3 times on every DNews story, either Utah or BYU. I find that very interesting (the fact you ignore the UCLA/USC score) because that was the last piece of the puzzle that Utah needed to be in the PAC 12 Championship game. So where's the comments about that?

    Perhaps it's because the score was MOOT after CU defeated U on your home field on Friday. Can you say embarrassed? Because that's really what they did to the U; embarrassed them.

    You, Chris B, niner's, Naval Vet, alt134, uteology and all your cronies enjoy watching U lose to TCU in the Vegas Bowl. Surely you remember the Vegas Bowl---it's the one U fans said was a "nothing bowl" every time BYU played in it. Using that logic, welcome to "nothing"----U traded an opportunity to be in the inagural PAC 12 Championship Game for an opportunity to LOSE to CU. Good Trade!! (A 39-yard first half was a tremendous showing for Utah's offense, too.) LOL!!

    Dec 22 Vegas Bowl---LOL!!

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 27, 2011 11:16 p.m.


    How long do you hold on to a fluke? Give it up.

    Who beat your team 17-14 and made them quit?

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 10:43 p.m.

    @ worf | 10:38 p.m. Nov. 27, 2011
    Mcallen, TX

    Who beat your team 54-10 and made them quit.


  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 27, 2011 10:38 p.m.

    The utes lucked out with Washington State, but reality caught up with Colorado. The utes are a mid to lower tier pac team.

  • Y Grad Pumping Gas Beaver, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 9:05 p.m.

    Any bowl Utah gets will be better than the Copter Bowl our Y team gets!

    Band of Brothers forever

    Nov. 27, 2011 8:10 p.m.

    Remember the bowls get to pick who they want. I do not think the Sun Bowl will take Utah over Arizona St. ASU is only about a 5-6 hour drive from El Paso. The Sun Bowl will take the Devils, because of proximity to the Bowl sight. Utah either ends up in the Vegas or Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl in San Fran. I guess change of conference didn't get you a better Bowl. The Utes are in the same old bowls they've been in before. But being in the Pac 12 is not a bad thing. USC is able to play in the championship game and bowl game again next year. It is going to be hard for the Utes to ever play in the Championship game, with USC eligable.

  • metamoracoug metamora, IL
    Nov. 27, 2011 7:43 p.m.

    Sooner Ute: Beg to differ regarding the SEC. Arkansas got blown out by both LSU & Bama, frankly I'm clueless why the hogs are still in the top 10. Georgia might possibly be the third, but we'll find out soon enough about that won't we.

  • Qwest Perfected Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 7:10 p.m.

    Friday was a tough loss for sure. The Utes should have never been in that position at the end of the game. They made too many mistakes and had a couple of huge injuries that required a couple players to step up. I feel bad for Petersen - he had been pretty solid all season in an area that was a big question mark to start the season.

    I'm still happy with the overall record of the season. I was thinking they would be successful to have a 7 or 8 win season and that was before we lost our QB. I was very pleased to see them thrash their rival by 44 points. Too bad the cougs couldn't make it more competitive.

    I'm never surprised by the smack talk by coug fans - but to hear them bash USU in this comment board is funny. After all Utah State is the only team with a winning record that they beat this year. Please save all the if we played you now talk. The only outcome that would change is that now USU knows how to finish games. Victories over the teams you played in Nov are a joke.

  • mindgames Aurora, CO
    Nov. 27, 2011 7:01 p.m.

    The mighty PAC-12 is going to have a strange situation.

    UCLA goes into the conference championship game hoping for a miracle win and the BCS Bowl invitation. But if they lose (and a 50-0 game is possible) they will be 6-7 and not even bowl eligible.

    UCLA should graciously decline the game allowing Utah to go and represent the South. That way even if Utah was to lose everybody could still go to all those bowl games.

  • ogmson Mapleton, Utah
    Nov. 27, 2011 6:54 p.m.

    OK, so the screeners at the DN won't allow me to say the Utes stunk up the field. So I can't say that.

    They won't let me say dimWhit was outcoached, so I won't say that either.

    Oh, yea, the hypocritical screeners at the DN's won't let me say anything negative about the Utes, so I guess I can't say anything at all.

    Well, actually, they do allow the Ute fans to bash BYU without censure, any nasty comment, anything negative about BYU will get past the flunkys who graduated from the U and now hold the censor pen, but then, I can't say anything negative about the Cougars because there is nothing to say.

    At least I'm not going to talk about the basketball game last night....that would certainly get approved.

    So, here it is:

    Yep, that's all I'm allowed to say about the Ute debacle at Rice Eccles yesterday.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 5:38 p.m.


    "But for one fluke deflection, USU would have had two in row over BYU."

    You're not the 1st usu fan to make this claim. Of course you all completely ignore that on the play that pass was defelcted usu was called for a pass interference penalty which would have given BYU the ball 1st and goal inside the 1 yd line with 13 seconds to play and with timeouts left. It is a pretty likely that BYU scores from inside the 1 with at least 2 opportunities.

    But it really doesn't matter does it? BYU won. usu blew it by giving up the bomb to Jacobsen as well as multiple other defensive meltdowns that allowed a 90+ yd drive in about 1 minute.

    If usu really does "even it out" then come on back and tell us about it but one win in 20 years doesn't even begin to "even" anything out.

    Also BYU and USU are 6-6 in basketball since their 1st meeting this century. usu's win this season only just evened it up the last decade. BYU holds the all time record by about 50 wins. Hows that for usu "usually" beating BYU? LOL!

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Nov. 27, 2011 5:09 p.m.


    When I said that Utah was a top-third team, I meant in the nation, not in the Pac-12.

    I agree with you - the Utes are a middle-third team in their current conference.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 4:44 p.m.

    @Still Blue after all these years

    It's comments like yours that make it sweet when USU beats BYU in basketball or football. As far as basketball goes though, it's not a huge deal. The Aggies USUALLY beat BYU in basketball. In the past decade, USU has won the majority of the games.

    I wouldn't be surprized to see the football series start to even out too. But for one fluke deflection, USU would have had two in a row over BYU.

  • Hawkeye79 Iowa City, IA
    Nov. 27, 2011 4:42 p.m.

    Check out ESPN's Nov 23, 2011 edition of the "Bottom 10" (search for it on their website).

    Yup, Colorado was there.

  • morganh Orem, Utah
    Nov. 27, 2011 4:20 p.m.

    @no conference will take us

    Utah belongs in a BCS conference for now, but the latest rumblings from the BCS is a proposal to have a national title game only between the top 2. I am sure the other bowls like the Rose, Fiesta, etc.. will still be around but they would no longer be BCS games so winning your conference won't get you into the BCS. This could have been part of B.Y.U.'s reason why they turned down the Big East as well as their T.V. deal they have. The BCS is meeting in January and if this does happen it would happen for the 2014 season so we will wait and see.

  • Mike Johnson Stafford, VA
    Nov. 27, 2011 4:11 p.m.

    And yet if one of those three field goals had been made and we would have executed in overtime, we would have had the fourth best record in the conference. That is how slim the difference between 4th and 8th is.

    The craziness that could happen is if UCLA bounces back from that 50-point drubbing to beat Oregon. Obviously, I don't think that will happen, but also don't think UCLA will get a waiver on bowl eligibility at 6-7 either.

    Can a 6-6 ASU team be picked ahead of a 7-5 Cal, Washington, or Utah? As I read the rule on bowl eligibility at 6-6, they can't be selected if there is an available team with a winning record. But, does that mean that the Sun Bowl could ignore Utah and select Arizona State?

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Nov. 27, 2011 4:09 p.m.

    Duckhunter said:

    "@no conference will take us

    You are obviously a utah "fan". My guess is you are simply the latest screen name for kosta articuno hondo duckhunted coolguy etc.

    You're fooling no one."

    I'm willing to bet its you or another lost kitty hat fan.
    The depths that posters will go to here. Geeesh.

  • 79Ute Orange County, CA
    Nov. 27, 2011 4:09 p.m.


    You wrote, "The Utes played the #10 and #12 Pac-12 teams in the last two weeks of the season, and are lucky they didn't lose them both." That observation doesn't support your conclusion that we're in the top third of the conference. There is no question that we're better off in the PAC12 than the MWC, but we're not one of the top four teams. Oregon, Stanford, and USC are easily the top three. I'd say Washington is the fourth best team in the conference. UW had the same overall record as the U, but were 5-4 in conference and beat us.

    Re-read your own statement: "Watching the Utes play so poorly, so uninspired, with a trip to the Conference Championship Game on the line was very disheartening."

    We've got a long way to go. Getting a good junior college QB on campus in the spring should be the highest priority.

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    Nov. 27, 2011 3:58 p.m.

    So, a team that is barely bowl eligible and loses 50-0 to the best team in the PAC12 southern division, which is ineligible for any bowl because of cheating, will be playing for the conference championship and could be playing in the Rose Bowl. Boy, is that PAC12 a great conference or what?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 3:36 p.m.

    @no conference will take us

    You are obviously a utah "fan". My guess is you are simply the latest screen name for kosta articuno hondo duckhunted coolguy etc.

    You're fooling no one.

  • Bottom Line Draper, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 3:34 p.m.

    I am praying that UCLA beats Oregon. The BCS sham is really on the hot seat this year.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 3:25 p.m.

    Too bad the Vegas Bowl is tied to the MWC and the PAC. Otherwise, Utah could end up playing and losing to Utah State in a bowl game. It still might happen. Now that'd be sweet indeed.

    Can you imagine the howling from the hill, if the Utes were relegated to playing USU in a bowl and the Aggies won?

  • Wiley Old School RIC, VA
    Nov. 27, 2011 3:25 p.m.

    Colorado should be crowned king of the spoilers. Going into the weekend, three teams had a shot to make the inaugural PAC12 championship game but the Buffaloes upset of the Utes negatively impacted all three teams:

    * Utes knocked out of contention with the loss
    * ASU knocked out of contention before their Friday night game even started
    * UCLA, now 6-6, will almost assuredly lose the championship game, reducing their record to below .500 and, barring appeal, knock them out of bowl eligibility.

    This could be the biggest single "spoiler" game of all time!

  • Dexter Maven OGDEN, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 2:58 p.m.

    Welcome to the Pac 12.

    On any given Saturday.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 2:56 p.m.


    Well we are arguing over 8th place or 9th place. Who really cares? The point is that they are by no means in the Top-3rd. Not even close.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 2:42 p.m.

    "and since cu beat them you could reasonably say cu is better and put utah in the bottom 3rd."

    I was with your analysis until you said that. Upsets happen. When you are ranking a conference you have to look at their entire body of work. Otherwise you're stuck with "okay so colorado goes above utah because they beat utah, and utah beat ucla so ucla goes below utah, but ucla beat colorado so they go... above colorado? wait a minute". A better argument that utah should be in the bottom third (though I would still put them 8th above Wazzu, Oregon State, Colorado and Arizona in some order) would be that utah didn't play stanford and oregon so they most likely would have been 4-7 in conference play if there were 11 conference games.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    Nov. 27, 2011 2:37 p.m.

    To sammyg and others bashing Utah.
    Unfortunately this is the closest that BYU will get to a BCS conference. By making fun of a school that belongs to one.
    Its clear now that we will never be accepted. We gave up two opportunities to join one of our own choosing.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 1:18 p.m.

    I loved this season. What fun for the fans. Last week of the season (12th game) and I was following Four Key games. Rooting for Stanford (to get a BCS bowl game), USC (to beat UCLA), Cal (to beat Ariz. State) and of course Utah. The one I wanted the most did not win. But with 2 seconds left in the game we still had a loooooong shot at the Rose Bowl, and if we had won likely the Alamo bowl, still possible is the Holiday Bowl, the Sun Bowl, and, yes, the Las Vegas Bowl - all of which pay out $1-3 million and are all higher profile bowls than many others.

    To me, a 7-win 5-loss record is incredible with what 7-8 season ending injuries to key players including the one player we could no do without. With possibly one or two exceptions I have never been more impressed with the coaching than I was this year. And all this in a BCS conference and the most difficult season schedule for Utah ever.

    Thank you, players, coaches, and the entire football program.

    Go Utes!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 1:14 p.m.

    I can't wait to watch utah play in the pac12 championship game next weekend and in the rose bowl in January. This is really exciting for our state.

  • Band of Sisters RIVERTON, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 12:40 p.m.

    After the Utes beat the Ducks in the Conference Championship game, they are Rose Bowl bound. Awesome...Go Utes!

  • Still Blue after all these years Kaysville, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 12:35 p.m.

    Hey Soonerute, can you imagine what would have happened if you had played your real rival the last game of the season? Playing like you dI'd against the Buffs? And the Y with Nelson and not Heaps? Or does the U ( like USU in basketball) only really only get sky high for BYU. You got to play all the games!

  • Trueman Draper, Utah
    Nov. 27, 2011 12:22 p.m.

    The Utes have to scout for a quarter back thats bigger than the cheerleaders on the side lines. Its football, not hope you can take a hit because you're to small, football. How many times have we seen tiny quarterbacks get taken out after just after a few hits. While a quarter backs speed is important, they have got to take a hit, and I'm sorry, but the little guys have to often time after time proven to be vulnerable to take a hard hit.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 12:21 p.m.


    "The Utes are a top-3rd team this year."

    How do you figure that? Their 4-5 record would tie them for 6th place (out of 12) with 2 other teams and since both of those teams, asu and cal, beat utah, pounded them actually, that would make utah to bottom of those 3 and place them 8th out of 12. That is the last team in the middle 3rd and since cu beat them you could reasonably say cu is better and put utah in the bottom 3rd.

    I'll give you the bottom of the middle 3rd but not by any sort of stretched logic can you place them in the top 3rd.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Nov. 27, 2011 12:12 p.m.

    So are bowl decisions influenced more by season record or by conference standings?

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 11:07 a.m.

    "Oregon, USC, and Stanford are in a completely different league than the other 9 teams."
    Same with the Big 12 (OU, OSU, KSU) and SEC (LSU, Bama, Ark).

    BCS leagues are like that. They beat each other up, with a few bubbling to the top. The "Bottom9" are still dangerous. Dismiss a team because of their record, and the next thing you know, you've lost to them at home by 44 points.

  • Cowboy Dude SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 10:53 a.m.

    One kick and Utah may have beat USC in the Coliseum.
    One kick and Utah may have been in the PAC-12 Championship.
    On the other hand, one missed kick and Utah would have seen all their chances go up in smoke against Washington State. Special teams is why Utah made it so far.
    We can't keep the championship hopes on the special teams. The elephant in the room is this, we need an offense to get it in the endzone. Special teams and defense can't win every game. Sooner or later the kick is bound to miss.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Nov. 27, 2011 10:48 a.m.

    A 7-5 record is about what I expected this year. But I didn't predict it happening the way it did:

    I thought the Utes would be competitive against all of their Pac-12 opponents, but they got blown out by Cal, ASU, and Washington.

    I expected them to lose a game or two in which they were favored (middle of the Pac-12 teams are capable of beating most teams on any given Saturday), but didn't think it would be to the weakest team in the conference - at home.

    The Utes played the #10 and #12 Pac-12 teams in the last two weeks of the season, and are lucky they didn't lose them both.

    Watching the Utes play so poorly, so uninspired, with a trip to the Conference Championship Game on the line was very disheartening. You know it's a bad one when the player who had the best game for the Utes was probably Sellwood.

    The bottom line:

    The Utes are a top-third team this year. Hopefully they can win a bowl game and take some momentum into the offseason.

    While disappointed, I would rather play in the Pac-12 than be in the MWC.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Nov. 27, 2011 9:57 a.m.

    I'm not sure if the Utes should be dissappointed or relieved they are not playing in the conference championship games. Oregon, USC, and Stanford are in a completely different league than the other 9 teams. Maybe we should split the league in half, and have a PAC3 and BOTTOMOFTHEPAC9. UCLA will be exposed by Oregon just like they were by USC (50 points), and just like ASU or Utah would have been if they would have made it to the game.

    This years conference championship game is meaningless. We might as well give the Ducks the trophy now. Maybe next year, when USC is eligible, the game will be worth watching.

    I'm guessing Utes will end up in El Paso or Las Vegas. With three teams at 7-5, and two team at 6-6; the bowls look at ability to fill the stadium and potential TV ratings more than anything else.

  • TheTruth801 SLC, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 9:50 a.m.

    at A1994

    USC won the South, they just can't play in the Pac 12 championship and n any bowl game and this is coming from a UCLA grad! We didn't win it especially after losing in the manner that we did. However, Utah losing to Colorado after saying that CU as well as WSU were terrible teams....LOL

  • nothegame Saratoga Springs, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 9:45 a.m.

    This is a great time to go out and get the recruites we need to play for a title. ASU, UCLA U of A and WSU all coaches probably getting fired. Go out and get the kids we need. Steal them if u have to just go get them now. I know U of A hired a coach but u get the point

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Nov. 27, 2011 9:44 a.m.

    Let them play Boise State again for a gauranteed Bronco win, just like last year! Go Broncos!

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Nov. 27, 2011 9:39 a.m.

    It's definately been an up and down season.
    Beat your rival. Lose on a last second FG block v USC.
    Beat Pitt on the road. Get blown out by Cal.
    Win 4 in a row to make a run at the south. Lose by a FG to CU.
    Key injuries. Unknowns stepping up. Snow, Sun. Up. Down.

    The Utes were headed up towards the Alamo or Holiday bowl. Now with a loss against the team with the worst record in the PAC-12, who knows?

    Oregon -> Rose
    Stanford -> BCS at-large
    USC-> Season over. Time to convince Barkley to stay.
    Cal-> Alamo
    Washington-> Holiday
    Utah-> Sun
    Arizona St.-> Vegas
    UCLA-> Kraft
    No PAC-12 rep to the New Mexico. If Stanford doesn't get an at-large (not likely) then, shift all of them down one.

    I would be happy with the Sun, but boy would the PAC-12 championship game been sweet.

    Up and down.

  • Judge Smailes Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 9:22 a.m.

    Hey, now lets leave the Boston Red Sox out of it! only 83 days until spring training!

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 9:07 a.m.

    Did anyone see how bad UCLA lost and looked? The PAC championship game is going to be a major blowout unless Oregon reins in their players which they haven't done, ever, under this coach. Sorry for the Utes but it likely saves a lot of embarrassment for them in the championship game. Good luck in your bowl game Utes. You will still get to a decent one.

  • Bubba 525 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 8:55 a.m.


  • roberto Moses Lake, WA
    Nov. 27, 2011 8:21 a.m.

    What No comments? Chris B.? You like to shovel it deep, Where are all you Utah fans? So much to say and no body who wants to read it.

  • 79Ute Orange County, CA
    Nov. 27, 2011 8:03 a.m.

    "I don't think a loss like this diminishes the turnaround we've had."

    I beg to disagree. I think losing to the worst team in the conference at home when there was so much at stake for the team diminishes the whole season.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 7:55 a.m.

    Naw, it's as clear as a Sunday morning in Utah for the Utes' next bowl.

    Beatdown in Vegas Bowl II

    or affectionately known as...

    Pac 10.2 Las Vegas Leftovers Bowl

    Gosh, I really hope they play Boise but TCU will do in a pinch.


  • flintrock Rigby, Id
    Nov. 27, 2011 6:29 a.m.

    Colorado coach's had a superior game plan. They exposed Utah's weaknesses with precision.

    1. They put 8-9 in the box on defense and we responded by continuing to run
    the ball.
    2. They blitzed from the outside and we could not capitalize because Hay's
    could not change the plays and does not have enough experience to react
    in that situation.
    3. They exposed our extremely poor Safety play. Rowe and yes our beloved Brian
    Blechen are very inexperienced. Rowe is not a very good tackler and Blechen
    misses more tackles than you think because he is always trying to take
    someones head off all the time.
    4. With great protection the Colorado QB was able to wait for his TE's and
    receivers to make their secondary route moves and when they did they
    completely confused our secondary and SAFETYS and in a lot of cases were
    wide open.
    5. This was similar to what USC did to us as far as the passing goes.
    6. We are paying a huge price for Whit's extremely poor QB recruiting. It all
    comes down to having a QB who can excel and lead and we were sorely
    in that department.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 12:37 a.m.

    The Utes would beat Colorado 9 times out of 10. I have no doubt about it. Colorado is a terrible football team. ASU did their part and caved in the last half of the season in a choke reminiscent of the Boston Red Sox this year. UCLA just got their head handed to them by USC 50 to zip. And yet...this is your PAC 12 South Division Champion! It is going to be a LONG winter for the Utes.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 12:33 a.m.

    "As ye sew..."

    It's funny that no one on the Ute squad knew why they lost. After UNLV thumped them 27 - 0 a few years ago Whittingham replied "I don't know why we lost."

    Better figure it out, Utes, becauase your effort on Friday would have to improve to be pathetic.

    I wonder what they'll say if they get the Vegas Bowl? You know, the "nothing bowl" everytime BYU played in it?

    I can't imagine anyone would think the Utes had a prayer against Oregon if they had made the PAC 12 Championship play-off.

    Sweet Dreams.....Utes.....forever getting what you deserved on Friday.

  • JMT Springville, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 12:30 a.m.

    As a BYU fan sorry to hear this. One kick and they would be in the championship game. I'm sure you'll end in a decent bowl game and better for it next year. I expected you would only win a couple games this first year, with your quarterback problems early. Great season all things considered. Best of luck as this goes forward.