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  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Nov. 25, 2011 8:08 a.m.

    To "Iron Rod | 1:59 p.m." please go back and read my 10:38 a.m. Nov. 23, 2011. I listed one of many sources there. The info was summarized at Wired magazine, but the source of the information was Wikileaks.

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 24, 2011 1:59 p.m.

    Red Shirt 10:38 a.m.

    I was unaware that the weapons inspectors "uncover weapons of mass destructions".

    Please share your source. I was of the opinion that they were unable to find weapons of mass destruction after years of searching.

    I would like to be enlightened. Thank you

  • UT Brit London, England
    Nov. 24, 2011 3:33 a.m.


    Please show the links between Iraq and 9/11, hey I would be happy with just one.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 6:03 p.m.

    It was lots of fun, though, wasn't it? Shock and Awe, embedded journalism, 'we got him', mission accomplished. Iraq...you're next.

  • wrz Salt Lake, UTah
    Nov. 23, 2011 3:57 p.m.

    "President Obama has finally put an end to the madness George Bush started."

    No, no. I think Muslim terrorists started it when they hit our Twin Towers and killed almost 3,000 Americans. What was a US President supposed to do, cower in a corner of the White House?

  • Thoughtful Voter Spanish Fork, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 2:32 p.m.

    If only it were true that Obama had anything to do with bringing our troops home or even that we were leaving the country. [We still have many permanent bases there that we would never dream of turning over to a semi-"sovereign" Iraq with all the expensive buildings and technology in place . . . the "small base" in the "Green Zone" that houses our embassy *larger* than Vatican City . . .]

    In following the Bush doctrines and lead to a "T", the Obama administration tried -- they say -- quite diligently to work out a security forces agreement different from what the Bush administration had in place which finally removed all "combat troops" by the end of 2011. So the Bush administration had this in place, and the Obama administration tried (just like the Bush administration) to postpone it, in all fairness!

    Sidenote: Oddly, this is the only "national security" type "article" I can find in today's DesNews even after a major "National Security" debate last night. I don't think the DesNews staff are interested in analyzing Mitt's flawed foreign policy ideals . . . he certainly didn't have any zingers! (Heaven knows they write up everything else!)

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 2:12 p.m.

    'Obama has done nothing that wasn't already in the works.' - BobP | 1:00 p.m. Nov. 23, 2011

    *'Osama bin Laden Killed: 'Justice Is Done,' President Says' - By DEAN SCHABNER - ABC News - 05/01/2011

    'Osama bin Laden, hunted as the mastermind behind the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil, has been killed, President Obama announced tonight.'

    *'We have been waiting for this moment': Libya confirms Gadhafi is dead' - MSNBC - 10/20/2011

    SIRTE, Libya Deposed Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi has been killed, the Libyan prime minister confirmed Thursday, following news of his capture and reports of his death.

    Oh, yeah.

    Bush was just WAITING x10 years for the right 'moment.'

    As for the 'warmongering' claim about BO. I would point out 2 things:

    "The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons.' - George W. Bush - Ohio Speech 10/7/2002

    *'U.S. Military deaths in Iraq war at 4,485 - AP - Published by the DSNews - 11/22/2011


    Zero. US. Troops. In. Lybia.

    *'We have been waiting for this moment': Libya confirms Gadhafi is dead' - MSNBC - 10/20/2011

  • Riles Midway, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 2:04 p.m.

    Laughable. BO is one of the most war-mongering presidents in history. If he had any integrity he would have done what he pledged to do in his campaign and ended the wars starting day one. It's time this nation elected a leader with principles who has done what he said he was going to do for the last 30 years. Only one man fits this bill, Ron Paul. End of story!

  • BobP Port Alice, B.C.
    Nov. 23, 2011 1:00 p.m.

    I was a bit worried that Pagan and his long laments were absent.

    Obama has done nothing that wasn't already in the works. The man is rapidly abandoning Israel and the other good nations.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 11:35 a.m.

    since BO is so wonderful, why was he negotiating to stay even longer in Iraq?

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 10:42 a.m.

    So long as the US Department of Defense can ship at least 9 billion dollars in pallets of shrink-wrapped $100 bills to Iraq and then not have any idea what became of them, there's lots and lots of room for budget cutting in the Pentagon.

    Get us out of there now.

    Change our energy policy so we are less in the thrall of dictators who sell us oil.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 10:38 a.m.

    To "Pagan | 9:14 a.m. " lets get some facts that prove your rant 100% wrong.

    From "Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq
    On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of
    Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq", signed and ratified in 2008. Article 24, item 1, states "All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011." So, Bush did set things up for a set end date. Obama should get 0 credit for removing the troops from Iraq because he had nothing to do with it.

    Since you are still complaining about the WMD's in Iraq, you always forget that thanks to the CLASSIFED information leaked onto Wikileaks, we learned from Wired, and other sources that "WikiLeaks Show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq With Surprising Results". We learned that "WikiLeaks newly-released Iraq war documents reveal that for years afterward, U.S. troops continued to find chemical weapons labs, encounter insurgent specialists in toxins and uncover weapons of mass destruction."

    I know that isn't enough proof for you, and unless Sadam was gassing you personally you wouldn't believe it.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 10:33 a.m.

    The sad truth is that Utahns supported the illegal invasion of Iraq at a higher rate than any other state. On the flip side, fewer Utahns were joining the military to go fight the war, than any other state. The support was in name only, none of them were willing to put their backsides on the line to actually fight it.
    When Bush told house republicans that now Iraqis could get healthcare he was cheered. When Obama did something to get Americans healthcare he was sneered. Why is that?
    Bush's wars have put far more in the deficit than Obama's spending, in the US. Why is it ok to fund wars with debt but wrong to spend money in the US on roads and such?

  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 10:16 a.m.

    The children of the poor are sent to war.
    The children of the rich, get richer from the war, and they stay home.
    If it were the children of the rich going to war; we would not go to war as often, and we would bring the kids home sooner.
    The rich need to get some "skin in the game"

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 10:11 a.m.

    We need to trim the fat.

    We pay for the Egyptian military. We've given them technology, jets, and tanks. This kind of nonsense needs to stop.

    We can certainly protect ourselves if we cut our defense budget in half.

    Other countries? *gasp* might need to raise their own militaries.

    Our own *gasp* might need to make adjustments and become more productive and efficient.

    Sorry folks, but we can't afford to keep handing out blank checks. Everyone from office workers to school teachers have had to make adjustments. Foreign aid and military personnel should be more different.

    Time to trim the fat!

  • goatesnotes Kamas, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 10:07 a.m.

    Obama spent a few trillion more than all U.S. presidents combined, presiding over the first credit rating downgrade in history. His social re-engineering experiment has been an absolute disaster no matter who does the bean counting. He's going to be a one-term president and his presidency, rather than being hailed as "transformative," will be labeled as "discombobulated."

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    Nov. 23, 2011 9:26 a.m.

    Sam Walleson of Holladay Utah said: "President Obama has finally put an end to the madness George Bush started - $1 trillion spent and many thousand young Americans either dead or mangled. All we have to show for it is a resentful population in Iraq and a greatly strengthened government in Iran. Thank you, Obama. It takes more brains and courage to end a war than to start one".

    That's nice.

    But we are now allowed to protest the capitalist's. They are for BIG OIL and BIG BUSINESS only. Egyptian Military Using Lethal Nerve Gas on Protesters. The Egyptian military has been using a banned chemical agent to deal with hundreds of thousands of protesters, according to several news sources. At least 23 Egyptians have died and more than 1,700 have succumbed to a lethal nerve gas military forces have been using during the past three days in clashes in and around Cairo's Tahrir Square. The lethal gas had been used at the height of South Africa's apartheid in the 1980s and has been banned by international convention. An Australian paper reports the gas canisters are marked "Made in USA."

    Or they might do this to us?.

    My views.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 9:14 a.m.

    "The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons.' - George W. Bush - Ohio Speech 10/7/2002

    *'US gives up search for Iraq WMD' - BBC News - 01/12/05

    'Mr Duelfer reported last year that Iraq had no stockpiles of chemical or biological weapons at the time of the US-led invasion nearly two years ago.'


    *'U.S. Military deaths in Iraq war at 4,485 - AP - Published by the DSNews - 11/22/2011

    Think it will be DIFFERENT under another Republican President?

    *'GOP contenders argue on Iran' - By Kasie Hunt - AP - Published by DSNews - 11/12/11

    "If we re-elect Barack Obama, Iran will have a nuclear weapon. And if you elect Mitt Romney, Iran will not have a nuclear weapon," vowed the former Massachusetts governor.'

    Under Obama:

    *'Obama announces total Iraq troop withdrawal' - By Ben Feller - AP - Published by DSNews - 10/21/2011

    Hard to give Bush 'credit' for Iraq withdrawl...

    when it was created to be enforced AFTER he left office. I guess Republican leadership is signing something...

    not actually BEING there to clean up the mess you MADE.

    Your choice.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 9:05 a.m.

    To "Sam Walleson" you realzie that Obama also supporte the uprisings in Egypt and Libya, which had help from Al Qaeda. You also know that those nations are now have more turmoil than they did under the dictators they removed.

    What you are saying is that you are glad we are pulling out of nations where we are killing terrorists (the bad guys). You are also ok with the nations where the President ordered the US military to help terrorist organizations overthrow their governments.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 8:40 a.m.

    Eisenhower faced a lot of opposition when he pulled our troops out of Korea too.

  • KM Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 8:27 a.m.

    Yes he is such a smartsy and benevolent ruler. Now lets talk about his fomenting revolution in Egypt, Syria and Libya...The world is a much more dangerous place because of Bush and his partner, Obama.

  • Opinionated Sandy, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 7:40 a.m.

    "Resentful population" in Iraq?? You have no idea what you are talking about. You haven't been there. You haven't seen the gratitude in their eyes. You haven't seen how happy they are since they feel less threat from the tyranny of a dictator. You have been duped by the media..

  • Emophiliac Vernal, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 7:39 a.m.

    Isn't it interesting, though, that the reason the troops are leaving Iraq is because of an agreement that Bush made with the Iraqi Government? All that has happened is that Obama has failed to get a new agreement with Iraq, which he worked on, so the troops are being pulled. What is odd is that Obama didn't try to leave US troops in Iraq without any legal protection. That, I would expect.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 7:28 a.m.

    @ Doug

    What has Obama done to disarm the military? Last I checked, we still spend 5 times more than #2 China. Last I checked, the defense budget was still increasing.

    If the military is losing moral and its ability to defend itself despite still receiving large amounts of money (increasing amounts of money), then maybe it needs to look inward. Cut the fat, change its training, be more accountable, be responsible, and more innovative.

    We've all had to become more productive while receiving less, why should the military be exempt? We can't keep handing out blank checks to the military in "hopes" that they won't waste it.

    Stop wasting our taxpayer money on $100 toilet seats.

    If we were to cut the defense budget in half, it'd be amazing the changes we'd see. The increase in productivity, accountability, and a much more effective military.

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    Nov. 23, 2011 7:20 a.m.

    I think that President Obama is experiencing a lesson learned by Humpty Dumpty, it will take more than 4 years to repair a nation that Bush/Cheney spent almost 8 years destroying!

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Nov. 23, 2011 6:14 a.m.

    Just a temporary lull. If Romney gets into the WH, we'll be facing a truly catastrophic showdown with Iran. So keep your boots on, soldiers...

  • embarrassed Utahn! Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 5:09 a.m.

    Yet strangely, in Utah, GW is still given high marks and Obama is called things like "socialist, marxist, communist, community-organizer". While we were busy spending money on Halliburton, and rebuilding a country we bombed to smithereens our own nation suffered greatly. I guess socialism is only a good thing when it involves "spreadin' freedom" The truth is roundly ignored or whitewashed in this state where people are spoon-fed their political views.

  • RinAZ Mesa, AZ
    Nov. 23, 2011 1:15 a.m.

    I support Ron Paul because he never would have sent us there in the first place. Nor would he bury us in debt as has Obama.