no need to join, we have all the money we need. I love the schedule we play and
when we get rid of the hard games, we will go 12-0 and win the national
championship. Big east can't say that.
Idablu, it isn't about the Idaho State game that was broadcast over the free
airwaves. It's about the ESPN deal that pays BYU for the rights to all of the
other contracted games that ESPN shows on its networks. Big East wanted all or
some substantial part of that income to be divided with the other teams in their
conference, and BYU didn't feel that they wanted to share that money with the
strangers from the Big East. It would have been a trade-off between the money
BYU would give up in return for league games and perhaps a championship game in
November. BYU made the best choice for the long-term, I think, but frustrating
for the short term.
It seems like BYU's legal representation is giving BYU a black eye. Maybe we are
getting poor counsel from our lawyers. I have a couple of questions that maybe
some of you can answer:Why haven't BYU officials made a public
statement on their perspective on why the negotiations went south? Also I don't quite understand on why BYU is so inflexible on their home game
television rights. With exception to the ISU game, BYU TV didn't broadcast any
of their home games. Is having another major network besides ESPN broadcast
their home games such a huge drop-off in exposure? I'm not too upset
with not joining the Big East, but if this was the sticking point with the Big
12, then I am very frustrated. I still contend we get better exposure, better
recruiting, better competition, better motivation for our players, and at least
as much money by joining a BCS conference.I think BYU officials owe
us an honest explanation.
Several comments complained that BYU's decision reflects that BYU is all about
money, like that is unique in college football. What a joke. Everything in
college football is about money. The BCS is all about the money. Utah started
the MWC disintegration by choosing to go to the PAC 12 for the money. Nebraska
jumped to the Big Ten for the money. Texas stayed in the Big 12 because of the
money from its private TV deal. Penn State didn't tell the police about the
campus child-molester because of the money. Notre Dame is an independent
because of the money. The Big East turned down BYU's position because of the
money. And BYU decided to stay independent because of the money. Get real
Well, "Liberaldrew" I think is correct. While I wish everyone would
want BYU to play their school and then join the Church, that is NOT going to
happen. It seems at times that elements of the leadership take the position
that they should be accepted because of who we are. That doesn't work in the
real world either. And, of course, with the secrecy around all negotiations,
we'll never really know what happened and will be told what some want us to
hear. So, on to late night games and, with luck, we'll be playing at mid-night
so all the people in Australia can see it...right? :( Give me a break!
Geewiz, DNews liberal types on staff today.Will this work now, they
are direct quotes...sammyg says..."Independence
will be just fine and next season will be better and 2013 will be something to
really get pumped for."Tommyhawk Red says in reply..."... Such incredible snobbery coming from a few select BYU homers... As a Ute fan, and BCS card holder, I can say that YOU PEOPLE have
absolutely, positively NO idea what you're missing out on" (caps added for
entertainment emphasis)I'm still on the floor laughing!Happy Thanksgiving to everyone from 'you people' to 'them people'
Everyone is happy, happy, happy, but I'm a little confused about why the A.D.
and Coach were saying they were in favor of joining the Big Least just days ago?
Maybe they didn't have the happy memo yet.
The 'Big East'?After looking at the list of schools in the Big East
it's more like the 'Big Who The Heck Are Most of These Schools?' conference.BYU made the wisest choice here, let the pundits and critics say what
they will...GO COUGARS!
So many more comments and even less displays of intelligence.BYU is
not just another school. They definitely listen to a different voice; the
pathetic whining of so-called fans and trolls notwithstanding.I am
very happy BYU is staying right where it is and very comfortable with the
process that got them there. I like their visibility and especially their
leadership.Their current access and visibility is great!
Didn't Dick Harmon guarantee us that they would be joining the Big 12?
@tomahawk red"as a...bcs cardholder"Bwaaaahaaahaaaaaaaaaa......Yea you are a bcs cardholder. LOL!Your decision to be a "fan" of the university of utah somehow
makes you integral to all of it.Bwaaahaaaaaahhaaaaaaa.....
I bet that there was one united sigh of relief when it was announced that BYU
was passing on their last opportunity to join an AQ Conference...While we BYU fans were sitting there scratching our coolective heads, yelling
at the Newscaster on the TV screen, and angerly suppressing our opinions about
the Incompetencies of the BYU Decision Makers/ Negotiators, there had to be one
heck of a party in the towns of Moscow, ID; Pocatelo, ID; San Jose, CA; Ogden,
UT; and Las Cruses, NM as that means their hometown schools will be able to
continue to monopolize BYU's late October and November Schedules. This is a very sad time in the History of BYU Sports.... Yesterday we learned
that we are terminal as far as competitive college sports go and that our player
recruiting and fan interest will begin to suffer going forward.... The Glory
Years under Lavell Edwards and Stan Watts and Dave Rose will be gone forever.
FootballFanatic said:".....I'd much rather see BYU on ESPN
playing a weak WAC team as opposed to having to playing a weak MWC or Pac-12
team and watch them on the Mountain or KJZZ."Are you a Chicago
Cubs fan? They have settled for 2nd best or less for decades. Just like
There gos BYU's relevance. Might as well start watching Boise cause I can't
sammyg | 7:25 p.m. Nov. 22, 2011 Springville, UTIndependence
will be just fine and next season will be better and 2013 will be something to
really get pumped for.-----------As opposed to, say,
getting pumped for EVERY season? New idea, I know... but don't you think that
could be a wee bit better?Such incredible snobbery coming from a few
select BYU homers. Yeah, let's go with (A) getting pumped every 2-4 years
instead of (B) getting pumped EVERY year.Watching Utah this year has
been more satisfying than probably any other season I can think of... lumps and
all. You just don't know how much more fulfilling it is to see Utah clash with
big boy teams like USC, UCLA and ASU... every single week. A slate full of
quality home games, and knowing the Rose Bowl is always a possibility at the end
of the tunnel.As a Ute fan, and BCS card holder, I can say that you
people have absolutely, positively NO idea what you're missing out on.
CaliforniaCougar | 7:14 p.m. Nov. 22, 2011 Lake Elsinore, CAThank
goodness!BYU is on national TV every week. No need to give that up
just to get a conference trophy.Stay the course. Being independent
is the best option right now.---------------For sure. I
mean, let's compare.A) San Jose State, Idaho State, NM State, Tulsa,
Helicopter BowlB) Louisville, West Virginia, Cincinnati, BCS BowlThe ignorance among BYU fans is so thick you could choke a buffalo with
it.All you Y fans still trying to make yourselves believe that you
didn't want to be a part of the BCS anyway.How ridiculous.
Sammyg,I don't know one Utah fan who is threatened by 1984.I feel it's important to remember history, but the more you obsess about it,
the more you will live in 1984. With the success of BYU basketball
of late, should I bring up Utah's National Championship in 1946. Even the title
game appearance in 1998, as much as I still feel proud about it, is not worth
shoving in anyone's face. Nobody cares.
Duckhunter,you wrote "I love all of the utah "fans"
pretending to be disgruntled BYU fans. Your obsession is showing."All you say? Do you honestly think all proclaimers of disgruntling are all
trolls? For such a big BYU fan, do you know any? There are different
opinions among BYU fans. Can't that be okay. Are these fans bad if they use
their free speech to say something outside of your opinion. If so, it's the
thinking that often prevails in the world.Narrow thinking would
suggest if one disagrees with them then they are unpatriotic. If one disagrees
then they are apostate. If one disagrees then they are inferior. I know you know
this is not a good thing Duckhunter.We are all not defined, and
should not be, by one party, one fandom, and one faith. If you are offended by
this, maybe, just maybe, you are offended by yourself. Afraid to question
anything BYU, lest you be cutoff from Cougar board.
After declaring and feeling independence, why go back to what was?
BYU doesnt need a conference unless all conferences end up prohibiting their
teams from playing non-conference opponents after September. BYU had weak mainly
WAC opponents late this year because they had such little time to flesh out
their schedule. Only if 4 or 5 years from now they are still playing mainly the
San Jose and New Mexico States of college football late in the season will there
be a problem. I am sure Holmoe with the assistance of ESPN is working on getting
tougher opponents for the upcoming future seasons years out from now.
I'm sick of hearing about BYU's schedule. People need to be patient, we are
just starting independence, we will get the good teams, it will just take time,
don't worry. Go independence, we don't need the big east.
AZguy: Your post shows exactly why you cannot believe much of what you read in
these articles, as most of it is speculation. I'm very sure that BYU would have
indicated their desires right up front. I'm just as sure that the Big East
thought they could persuade BYU to see it their way. Now that they are not able
to do so, BYU becomes tha bad guy. It was reported that the Big East
representatives, Boise State reps, Notre Dame reps, were all in Provo a few
weeks ago trying to convince BYU to join the Big East. Since that has not
happened, it is certain that BYU has not changed its stance from day one, but
the others have not been able to convince BYU otherwise. So you tell me, why is
BYU the bad guy? Because they didn't bow down to the Gig East and what they
wanted? If that is the case, then I feel sorry for all of you who are
denigrating BYU for holding to the decisions they made when they went indy.
Please get over it, some of you BYU fans, and others. BYU is going to follow
their own standards, not others'.
BYU just saved some big bucks and now should stay focused on independence. The
BCS as we know it now will be either gone or changed into a playoff type system.
There will no longer be AQ conferences.
I have mixed emotions about this one. 1-It seems that BYU does not want
more money for each game at the expense of less exposure. Having 11 of 12 games
on ESPN and the other on your own networks is the exposure they were looking for
when they became independent. 2-I do wish the TV rights would have come
up earlier in the negotiations. That is embarrassing for BYU and the Big East.
If there are things you are not willing to give up, BYU should have made that
known. 3-I am not sure the BCS survives, but whatever happens will be
similar and those from the Big 6 conferences will have the upper hand on access
to it.4-I am not sure that the Big East and Big 12 survive as they are.
5-The Big 12 would have been miseable for the other sports. Travel would
have been killer.It is the TV deal or Sunday play that killed the
Big 12 deal? I thought I read Sunday play was the big deal, but this sources
from the Big East says differently.
What if BYU loses by one point to Georgia Tech next year? Season's already over
after the first game, nothing to play for but pride and a crappy bowl invite.
How again is this better for BYU football than a conference championship run and
potential BCS bowl invite? -A frustrated Cougar fan.
From a long time die hard BYU fan and alum, it hurts to watch BYU fail to
negotiate a deal and then destroy these potential relationships. Its now come out that BYU has been very unreasonable in the negotiation
process to not only the Big East but also to the Big 12. They hold grudges
against certain media outlets. I hope these reports are wrong. But my gut
tells me theyre not. Where theres smoke theres usually fire. Even if
they are wrong; in the business world, perception is reality. You
cannot join a conference and expect to completely eliminate any risk. Its not
going to happen! The other members will hate and resent you.I think
that the higher risk is staying independent. What blue chip recruits will want
to play against WAC teams with the hope to get to the Armed Forces, Emerald or
Poinsettia Bowl every year? Realistically speaking we are not going
to get a better TV deal than every other football program in America. Note to BYUBe humble or Be humbled!
Some interesting notes in the article. "Boise is the prize" - true,
because their success in the rankings will be key to keeping the AQ status. BYU
would help the cause there too, despite the lackluster past two years, they have
been top 25 for half the decade. However, BYU brings more fans, seats, etc. to
the table by far.And comments that Georgetown and Notre Dame are
offended? What the heck do they care? This move has NOTHING to do with them, we
aren't getting a basketball invite and the academic ties are clearly weak or the
ACC and Big 12 wouldn't be pillaging so easily.Really all this
article made me think was "too bad BYU blew the Big 12 shot."
@Duckhunter and sammyg.Duck, I don't know how many trolls are out
there. They exist and always will. It's on both sides realtive to Utes and
Cougars.My question is why care about them?The extreme
comments aren't worth reverse communication. You have to many interesting
thoughts to sidetrack yourself.Now sammyg. You missed my point. I am
saying that (put simply) you worry about those that don't like or hate BYU when
you come across as hating Utah to the extreme. Do you think all Utah fans are
something negative? Do you beieve all that belong to some political party are
something negative? The questions could go on. You seem like a guy who wants to
label people. I know plenty of lifelong BYU fans who can't stand the
small percentage of their brothers (fans) who justify all things BYU and hate
all things Utah. Sam, you don't seem to dig my comments, but if you
could heed one thing of advice from me, it would be to fear Max Hall not Yoda.
Don't be a hater Sam.
Alum91: I believe you have got it backwards. BYU is saying NO! The Big East
came to BYU not the other way around. BYU needs to maintain its home game TV
rights, or it will be in the same situation as it was in the MWC. Why are some
of you people so upset with BYU for doing what they want to maintain the
exposure to their fans around the world? If someone approached you with "I
have a fantastic deal for you. Just give me the title to your house and you can
have all of this money to spend and 5 vacation packages each year anywhere in
the world." You say no! Then all of those who have signed away their
homes and are members say "you are being unreasonable." I don't buy
it. If you do not like that BYU is saying no to this deal, then just go away.
It is none of your business. Any you fans who are threatening to not buy BYU
tickets, great, that will be more tickets available for those us who would like
to purchase a season ticket and none are available.
BYU is going to find itself on the outside looking in ... one of the have not's.
ESPN reported today that the reason BYU didn't get an invite from the BIG 12 was
because of home TV rights. Excuse me??? Who cares about home TV rights when you
are playing Idaho State, New Mex St, etc..???? Who is actually watching the
games?? NOBODY!!! So BYU turns down the chance to be in the same conference as
Texas and Oklahoma because they want to hang on the TV rights to such games as
San Jose St and Idaho St??? All I can say is wait 5 years and see
where the Y ends up ... at the bottom of heap on the outside looking in at the
rest of the super conferences... and at that point there won't be any body
BYU's ego is astonishing. What they don't seem to understand is that TV rights
are only valuable if people are actually watching and without an interesting
schedule, nobody will be watching. BYU's days as a nationally significant
football program have come to an end. Thank goodness we still have the reruns of
the Lavelle days. They will become more valuable as the years go by.
Wow, "U Student Y Fan" is going way overboard. One article about BYU
not joining the "new MWC" and all of the sudden it's the end of the
world. I'm glad BYU officials are being hesitant so they don't end
up in similar situations that they've been in before with past conferences.
Plus, who can argue BYU playing on ESPN 9 times is a bad thing? Much better
than last year and much better than appearing on KJZZ! I'd much
rather see BYU on ESPN playing a weak WAC team as opposed to having to playing a
weak MWC or Pac-12 team and watch them on the Mountain or KJZZ.
Riverton Kewgar,BYU can make demands like that, but the big
conferences like the Big 12 and Big East just reject them, and dont listen to
you. That is why you are hated by the majority of the college football world.
Had the Y not try to make so many demands and irreasonable concessions they
might actually be in a bigger conference and have a decent schedule right now,
& maybe be playing for a conference title. I doubt that would be the case
since they cannot even beat a team with a winning record, or a team with decent
athletes. It is just the sign of things to come with how the Y has alienated all
of the conferences in college football with all of their unreasonable demands.
Alum 91 sounds like a disgruntled wife seeking divorce lmbo
Riverton Kewgar,It wasn't that the Y didn't agree to their terms,
they just asked for the world, and there was no way the Big East was going to
give it to them. Keeping ALL of their TV rights, and having to have BYY TV to
where people can watch replayed games. Stupid demand. No one watches the
replayed games, and everyone has DVR these days if they have to miss the game. I
am glad that some BCS conferences expressed interest, but them expressing that
interest does not make you a BCS team. Being in one of those leagues does, which
as of right now you are not a part of. So UTE fans, & fans of college
football can say that the UTAH is a BCS caliber team, & BYU is not. I think
that the whole BCS thing with games other than the NC game will be gone in a few
years, but there will still be something in place for teams from those
conferences will go to what was the BCS bowls, and have league tie ins. BYU will
not be part of those tie ins, & be able to go to bigger bowls. Big mistake
for the Y
Reading the opinions expressed here has made me wonder a few things:- Was the TV rights issue the real reason the talks with the Big-12 went
nowhere? If so, what on earth was BYU thinking? Wouldn't the exposure from that
affiliation alone be huge? - What "exposure" is so precious that
it must be preserved at all costs? Are webcasts of the Y thumping Idaho State
that hot a commodity, or that important in spreading the LDS message?- Is
the absolute death of the present BCS bowl system (being merely one of many
discussion group ideas floated by BCS AD's) such a foregone conclusion that BYU
is willing to stake its future on it?And finally,- Are
sammygoaway, Duckie and (not)toosmartforyou really BYU's now-infamous and
abrasive legal team?
This has to be said. There are a lot of whiny anti-BYU commenters and whiny BYU
"fans" who are complaining about things they know nothing about. How
many of you were involved in the BYU - Big East talks? How many of you have any
idea what the college football landscape will look like in two years? How many
of you are asked to direct a church-owned university with its own set of goals
that do not always match up with the goals of other universities?For
me, I'll enjoy being able to watch BYU games wherever I am living. BYU had a
very respectable schedule this year, especially given the time constraints of
putting it together. Schedules will only improve with time. Recruiting will only
improve (not that it's been bad - there are a limited number of people
interested in BYU anyway) and TV revenues are much improved already.BYU's in an awesome position. Right now Independence provides more stability
than is found in all but a couple conferences (mainly the SEC and Pac-12; the
Big 10 is pretty stable too). The Big 12 barely survived and the Big East might
I think BYU is smart to stay independent... Don't be surprised when the likes of
Texas, Ohio St, Florida, any school that has the base to work their own TV
rights will take that roadThe big east and big 12 will not make it
in the long haulThe east coast is not a college football market in
reality and the big 12 without Texas and that market doesn't have the
demographics to support large TV contractsStay independent, schedule
well and make money for ur schoolI'm not even a BYU fan
@CatsIf, as you claim, the football program exists to provide
exposure for the LDS church above all else, then that is even more reason to be
upset about the current situation. BYU's current "exposure" has only
made the school and Bronco look pathetic (e.g. losses to Utah and TCU, wins
against only terrible opponents).Tell me how this exposure is
helping the school or church's cause?
Since football is clearly not the main priority at BYU, I guess there is no room
for non-LDS fans like myself in BYU's future. Recruits will soon begin to see
the same thing. Recruits like Ross Apo will become a thing of the past. I
predict additional decommitments in the coming months and years of losing the
best LDS athletes to Utah.
As a cougar fan, we need a conference. Independence is for Notre Dame. I lost
interest in BYU football this month. We need a conference race and something to
play for this time of year. We need to play Boise State as our rival for a
conference championship. I was really hoping that we would join the Big East.
The level of competition would have been perfect. We'd also have exposure across
the whole country. I think we would have struggled to win in the Big-12--see
Utah's struggles against better teams in the PAC-12. We need a conference and
something to play for.
I so enjoyed watching every game on TV this year. Just like the old days! I
don't care if they play some week teams or if they win a national title. I just
want to watch them play and win.. kinda like the old MWC days except with TV
Let's examine our checklist concerning how many conferences BYU has alienated in
the past year:MWC √WAC √BIG 9
√BIG LEAST √Were not even allowed to
alienate our Pac 12, but let's say it's a safe bet that if given an opportunity,
they would.Come on BYU, play nice. The only options left are the
SEC, The Big 10, and the ACC and somehow I don't see those conferences calling
any time soon.
As a Boise State fan, since we'll get to pound BYU once a year for a good while
now, it really doesn't matter that BYU bailed. What's amusing is the image the
BYU has of itself. They really believe they are the Notre Dame of the West. A
previous poster made a great point about how BYU will have nothing to play for
once they lose their first game in any given season. As part of a conference,
there is always a championship at stake. I can't wait to see BSU playing for
the Big East Championship in New York!!! Good luck with the whole "late
night exposure" thing.
Re: ChiefSportsFan "I am very happy BYU is staying right where it is and
very comfortable with the process that got them there...and fair-weather fans
mean nothing in the grander scheme of things."I've heard
nothing but the Cougs Admin's talking about BCS, BCS, BCS. Sorry, Chief, staying
independent is going to get them there. Even if the Big East gets their AQ
status removed, BYU will not be an attractive entity for a BCS bowl because
their schedule is beyond a patty-cake schedule. I don't regard me as a
fair-weather fan, but rather a realistic fan!
Big East School rep says, 'BYU does know that (Boise State) is the real prize
here, right?'Nope BYU does not know this.... They won the NC 30
years ago remember? How could any team ever be a bigger prize than BYU with
that kind of history and tradition??
It seems BYU wants milk but doesn't want to buy the cow...
This was the best comment in the article:"BYU does know that (Boise
State) is the real prize here, right?'" Being part of a conference is
working together as one team. For the first time since BYU and the Big East
started this process, member schools are wondering why BYU is being so
sammyg said:"Yet another little pathetic agitator that just
can't accept the fact that other conferences would even talk to BYU about
joining their imploding conferences.You and your ilk have been
pounding your chests since 2010 about how BYU would never be in these conference
discussions and get an invite.Well, guess what? Time to move on and
get over it. It happened. Yet another silly little troll prediction spiraling
down the proverbial anti-BYU toilet. Try all you can but you can't
change history.BYU got an invite just like it got an NC trophy.
Hurts don't it?"The invite means nothing. BYU is still on the
outside looking in.Time to for a new slogan. Forty more years of WAC
Congratulations BYU - I am now officially done. I was a huge fan of the
program; bought hats, shirts, etc. at the games and everything. As of now, I am
in the market for a new team, anyone except Utah. BYU is on the very fast slope
to irrelevancy. I guess I'm not interested in following a diviusion 2 school,
or whatever they call it now. Perhaps the Big Sky would be interested in an
arrogrant, self-inflated program (schedule would probably be better).Hopefully some day they will learn the need to play nice and compromise if you
want to join a conference. Big 12 said no because we were stubborn, now the
desperate Big East also says no. See a common theme?!
"Here we go again. Someone that does not understand what invite
means""A question for BYU fans.How can you consider this
an official invite?"NightOwl, tell me what this sentence means:
"BYU has been invited to join the Big East as a football-only member".
This was taken from a newspaper article. It seems that you are the one this is
misunderstanding the situation."The Big Least and Big 12 don't
want you. They need you to keep their conference together with AQ
status."Yeah, and the PAC-10 didn't want Utah; they needed them
to get to 12 teams to get a conference championship game. Colorado was invited
This itself may mean the Big East loses AQ status, I guess...
For all of you saying that the Big East is just another version of the MWC,
guess what? I'd love to see us competing in the MWC again! I'd love to see us
competing for anything at this point. We have nothing to play for in
independence! What if we lose to Georgia Tech the first game of the year next
season? Oops! nothing to play for AGAIN. But sure lets pretend being
independent is great! We are just like Bronco, when we are in discussions with
a BCS conference, we want BCS access, when we say no... Independence is the
greatest thing ever! I'll get my season tickets next year, but if we lose the
first game of the season I'm selling them on StubHub..
@hoosiercoug - As an apparent BYU fan living outside of Utah, you obviously miss
the point. They were on TV more this year than ever before so people can
actually see the games. (Yes, some of us have wandered outside the bubble.) In
addition, the AQ paradigm is likely going away in the future which is why they
AREN'T scrambling to get into an "AQ" conference.
I love this news. But I don't understand why Boise State is
insisting on a western travel partner if they're just joining for football only.
Football teams only play one game a week - it's not like Rutgers would go play
a football game in Boise, hang out in Idaho all week, and then go to Provo/San
Diego to play the following Saturday before heading back to New Jersey. Travel
partners are for sports where games are played a day or two apart.Also, why do people seem to think that superconferences, if they happen, will
require 10 or 11 conference games? Actually, I think it's more likely that
they'll revert back to 8 instead of the currently trending 9. Everyone wants
good nonconference games.
I'm sorry but playing everyone currently in the Big East is no better than the
MWC or WAC teams on the schedule this year. It would have been foolish and
short sighted for BYU to do this. The Big East is a sinking ship whose only
asset is their AQ bid to a BCS bowl which will most likely go away in a couple
years. Smart move by BYU.
@Really???For the same reason traffic always slows to a hault around
an accident, even when it's not in the line of traffic.People love
to see a good train wreck.Especially when it happens to a group of
people who hold themselves so superior to apparently everyone in college
Up front, I'm a Ute fan, but I enjoy watching the Y on occassion, and am
certainly not a hater.In all honesty, I'm glad the Big East didn't
cave into the Y's demands. This was just sounding like what Texas did to the
Big 12 all over again--wanting special rules and special amounts of money. A
conference really should be about equitability, so schools can support each
other whether their peers are struggling or being successful.I don't
think the Y is ready to accept a conference affiliation right now. So I'm glad
the options are gone so we can re-dedicate our time talking about independence
All the serious BYU fans need to stop buying tickets and make a push to replace
the current AD and staff. BYU basically just turtled and declined to play on a
bigger stage.I always hate seeing tune-up games. I don't see much
entertainment value in beating a team by 40 points and having the game out of
reach by middle of the second quarter, but it appears the free men(independent
lovers) can't get enough of this. That is strange, sad too, but mainly
strange.Their handling of this issue just ensured that three whole
conferences won't schedule them. Independence works for Notre Dame because they
basically play a Big Ten schedule. What will BYU do when the WAC dissolves? I
guess you will have to beg the Sun Belt or MAC for an arrangement.I
feel sorry for all the serious BYU fans, for the rest of the lemmings willingly
to follow the football program off the cliff--enjoy the ride. Here's some music
for you:You'll do swell, you'll do great going to have the whole
world on a plate. Starting here, starting now, everything's coming up roses.
Enjoy the magical mystery tour!
Wow! Amazing! I thought the idea was to get "exposure"?
How is trying to fill your football schedule 'dance card' with an occasional top
25 team and practice squads from the WAC going to give you exposure??Good luck getting invited to another AQ conference.Try stepping
outside your Happy Valley bubble every now again...
What a mess, it's obvious to me that the BYU administration is not interested in
joining a BCS conference (probably never was). As a BYU fan, I couldn't
disagree more, the shot at the Big 12 was BYU's best and maybe only chance at
joining a big conference. Could you imagine the football nirvana in Utah with
the Utes in the Pac 12 and BYU in the Big 12? The Big East would have been an
ok option, but I'm still stinging from the Big 12 failure. I just can't get
excited anymore about playing these WAC teams, this November has been dreadful.
BYU administrators, you've made the bed and now it's time to sleep
in it. You've just placed enormous pressure on Bronco and the players to win
and win and win more, otherwise, it could get ugly with nothing to play for each
Duckhunter observed "I love all of the utah "fans" pretending to
be disgruntled BYU fans. Your obsession is showing."So you're
saying there are no disgruntled BYU fans?Interesting position. "If
you complain, you are not a fan."Technically correct, too, according
There is a ton of criticism and a lot support about and for BYU and conference
alignment. But it's all in the perspective of where you are when looking. Many of you posters are seeing it from the "what's in it for
me" perspective, ok, that's reasonable, others see it from a perspective of
enmity or hate and it's very obvious while others see it from a perspective of
Ha Ha, gotta love it sarcasm and others see it from the perspective of the aims
and goals of BYU and the Church and that's fine too. Which of the
perspectives is the right one? who really knows, every one thinks theirs is. At
the end of the day, it is what it is and the perspective we see it from may be
the farthest from reality. My perspective is, for what it's
worth, that in this ridiculously chaotic scramble to be on top and get the best
position for the fight, some unforeseen element of surprise will undoubtedly
appear and topple the whole thing.
I love all of the utah "fans" pretending to be disgruntled BYU fans.
Your obsession is showing.
I wonder what BYU's recruiting pitches will be like now. "Well
we have a very stong tradition of class and excellence in our football program
and if you choose our school, your family will be able to see all of our games
as we take on quality opponents like Idaho,Idaho State, New Mexico State,
Central Florida, and North Texas. All of this you will see every week on ESPN at
an 8:30 pm kickoff time. You will have to understand that our football team has
no conference, no rivalry, no real chance at getting a bowl bid greater than the
Armed Forces or New Mexico bowls. But we at BYU believe football is number 5 on
our priority list. Livning the gospel is what we should all be trying to do and
you can only do it at BYU. No need to try and be a missionary at another school
I am so glad that the Big East deal fell through; it looks as if the Big East is
just going to be the new WAC or Mountain West Conference and we don't need that
again. We need to remain independent; it has been great being able to see all of
the games this year here in Florida.
I haven't read all the comments, but what many fail to see is that automatic
qualification and making money are not the top priorities for BYU. EXPOSURE is
the top priority. The football team exists at BYU to get exposure
for the school and the Church. BYU's values are not the same as other teams
which only care about making money and getting into a BCS bowl game. If BYU
gets 1.6 million viewers per game, that's by far more important than the money
or the BCS bowls. If BYU can get their current TV rights and viewership, go
ahead and join a conference. BUT, if BYU has to give up it's current TV deal,
then forget it. We're doing just fine as we are.
I still don't understand the Big 12 deal and why BYU bothced it! As a BYU alum
and season ticket holder, why would I want to send my kid to the Y with their
Independence thing when he could head up to the U and play in the PAC 12 and a
chance to go to the Rose Bowl every year? Most recruits can and will get some of
the "BYU experiance" up at the U as most of the coaches are LDS and
share the same values as alot of the recruits BYU is after. Recruiting will be
the first thing that will hit the BYU program(already has). I think all the Utah
games were on TV this year as well. Kind of a sad situation in Provo right now.
Hmmm... 141 comments on this thread right now, and only 10 comments on the
article about the Utes' bowl prospects. I'm really wondering which team is
really irrelevant, and which one needs to start playing more exciting opponents.
This is a PR nightmare for BYUI am tired of watching BYU play lousy
WAC teams.I am tired of the whole realignment game.Oh
goodie...next year we get to play Weber StateEnd the madness!
BYU is like the car salesman who is terrific at selling used lemons, knows just
the right way to get really desperate people into a junk of a car, yet just
can't find a way to sale a newer model, which obviously brings in more money for
the dealership. Then they go to the boss and makes demands about
salary, hours, benefits, etc. Demands that even the top salesmen in the company
can't get away with, even with a clearly superiour resume.And they
can't understand why their previous employer, and 2 potential new employers,
have told them to take a hike.Then they come back home and tell
their wife that being unemployed because you can't get along with anyone is
actually a better situation.
Sorry, folks! Playing sub-par WAC teams on ESPNU at 10:15 PM Eastern time is not
exactly what I call National exposure. No doubt in my mind!
what a joke of an article. so what was basketball only member school georgetown
doing that was so helpful in getting byu membership as a football only
school?all of Harmon's big east sources sound like the same guy
whining about the same thing over and over. text quote I expect to hear from a
big east source will be along the lines of, " fine, we never wanted them
Well, as a BYU fan for 50+ years, I'm sad to now observe that it looks like BYU
is headed in a direction that will result in the school dropping sports like
BYU-Idaho did. That scenario may well play out in a few years the way this
thing seems to be headed. As many other contributors have observed BYU may find
itself unable to schedule good teams as they have snubbed several conferences
now. Good players will surely not want to play for a school that has become
irrelevant. Coach Mendenhall is now flip-flopping from day to day in what he
says so that is kind of embarrassing too. Who ever thought we'd see the day when
BYU football would loose relevence? As hard as this pill may be to swallow, the
only team that may be worth aligning with in the future for local fans may be -
yes - UTAH. A sad day indeed after all these years of enjoying rooting for the
Coogs. Sorry Cougar nation, but the hand writing seems to be on the wall.
Fair-weather fans. Arm-chair quarterbacks. Back-seat drivers.You
guys know nothing. Exposure, exposure, exposure. BYU has a charter
and a responsibility to its board of directors to add exposure, and giving up
their TV rights just doesn't accomplish that. Yes it puts us in a conference
that, for now, has AQ, but is one season worth that price? No. Absolutely not.
No way.BYU has to grow in recognition, and they have to be seen as
an oasis where an Honor Code means something. This past year they have been
doing that. BYU has a television complex and a broadcasting arm that is second
to none. They are going add exposure and to do that you have to be a maverick.
You have to be different.BYU is different. It is about more than
Good for BYU. They have said exposure is their #1 goal and the Big East
couldn't/wouldn't guarantee that. BYU will be on national TV almost every game
if not every game for 7 more years. The schedule next year is better and is as
difficult as other top teams (maybe excluding SEC). A perfect fit in a
conference would be nice but independence is the best option for now. Go
@ hornetfan, fair point that "There are very few people who actually know
the "truth" and they aren't talking." Perhaps BYU should drop
the secrecy, PR and control and just level with the fans. I don't see that
happening ever. They will never, ever, ever be fully forthright.
BYU wanted to be the only team in the nation to not commit its broadcast rights
to the conference in return for the benefits of conference membership.The beauty of BYU's recent conference flirtations is that in additional to the
WAC and the MWC, now the Big 12 and the Big East have first hand experience with
the insufferable, inexplicable, and unwarranted arrogance that has come to
define the "brand' of BYU.
gdogblahblahSo what am I nervous about? What am I bitter (and
jealous) about? I'm dying to know. I'm all ears.I embraced
independence and that has never changed. I'm not like a Ute fan that
doesn't use his season tickets.
Continued:BYU's Athletic independence was another bold statement of
defining the direction of the school and the church. It was not a knee jerk as
some have implied by demeaning comments but was a result of years of foresight
and planning that made this bold move possible. By any current standard of
collegiate sports, it was counter to the norm but BYU was prepared and forged
ahead. Again, respect was largely the feelings of most people nationwide. With respect to the Big 12 and Big East conferences, it is evident that
BYU's brand was highly regarded and to say otherwise is disingenuous. It may
appear on the surface that BYU has been arrogant and prideful but I contend that
it is much more a case of defining who and what BYU and the church stand for.
There will be many loud and voice-full detractors and critics but I
expect, BYU's brand to not only survive but flourish and in the end, the it's
not about us it's about the mission of BYU and the Church of Jesus Christ of
I love remaining independent, we get to watch all those games late at night,
with mediocre, losing record opponents and have no chance at developing some fun
and exciting rivalries let alone a chance to play in one of the big dances. Is
the rarefied air in Provo such that the fans do not matter any longer? BYU get
a grip get rid of intercollegiate sports altogether before you shame yourself in
oblivion, let the good players go to Utah where they seem committed to
There are very few people who actually know the "truth" and they
aren't talking. Everything else is opinion, speculation, and or bitterness,
hatred. They all show up in these posts. Some people are so BYU they see no
other side and bias is the obvious. Others are so anti-BYU that their posts are
just bitter and nasty. I don't understand why it has to be that way.
Jealousy brings out some great comments, NOT!! The bcs is dying and will be dead
in two years. The bowls will return to the former setup and possibly a
championship game outside of the aq system. Some people have
gloated about being part of the bcs, u, not that it is dying the
"prestige" is gone, they will all be the same as before. The
difference is that the y will still have its revenue and contract while the rest
start scrambling for deals.Indy will prove better and better as time
I've been watching and wondering a lot the past several months and I have to
admit there were times when I felt the sting of disappointment as I think every
true BYU fan in the country has. But I took a deep breath and considered the big
picture and once again I'm confident in the future of BYU athletics.I make no jabs at Utah's new found home, in fact I'm happy for them but I
don't understand the in your face, demeaning attitude toward BYU by many.
Conversely I don't understand the demeaning and jealous retorts from BYU fans
toward Utah. Rivalry aside, each school is on a different course, always has
been and always will be that way. There should be no disrespect. As
for BYU's course which this article is about, the word to me is misunderstanding
of the mission of the School and the sponsoring institution. If I may, BYU's
honor code has been as high profile as any thing in the world of sports and it
was the completely and thoroughly dissected from every angle and in the end, I
believe for the largest part respect for standards won the day.
It's for the best. We can't compete on the same speed/athletic level as Boise
and some of these other teams, as we've been shown by Utah and TCU.
Most of the BYU fans want to be in a conference. It's okmto admit
disappointment. A few days ago, most BYU fans were pushing big east as a good
option. Many of the same are now applauding the decision to stay independent. If
it makes you feel better. Back to bad WAC schedules. Get your 2012
season tickets now. It's going to be great. At least it will be great in SLC.
Boise State the prize in the deal? I suppose if you are only talking football,
and ONLY football, that may be the case. BYU does not need the Big East. They
will lose AQ status in 2013 and then BYU would be back where they were in the
MWC....with a bad TV deal and angry fans that have no access to them. The
independent deal is WAY better. I've seen every game this year and the school
has made 10 times the revenue than last year. It still slays me that the Big
East is scrambling all over the WEST to add schools. Why would BYU want to
travel back east to play schools that really have no football reputation. I
think the conservative course is much better! Go Cougs!
Remember folks the Big East asked BYU! Not the other way around.Its
like the school nerd ask the head cheerleader to the prom.After weighing
all her options and deciding the nerd doesnt have any of the qualities she is
looking for in a long term relationship.....the head cheerleader decides to stay
home and watch ESPN instead.
Good. I'm glad they stayed independent. The Big East is dying, the Big 12 is
dying, and independence gives them the freedom to schedule as they wish. I love how people are making assumptions about BYU's thought processes
and how they are being unfair and selfish and everything else imaginable based
upon a couple of newspaper articles and comments from some individuals in a
conference (Big East) that has lost out on getting BYU to join. Finger pointing, baseless accusations and outright falsehoods are alive and
well with those that think they know everything when they have 1/10th of 1% of
the facts. Boy, it must really be great to be so smart!!The Cougs
will be fine. And it was great to watch football live on Saturday late and
basketball live last night. To all of you that think it doesn't matter because
they are playing 'soft teams', think again. The exposure BYU (and thus the
church) gains is immeasurable. Go Cougs!
@Fresno girl:Be honest....is there a better word to describe what
the BYU football has become? Before you answer, please look at the schedule and
the bowl opportunities.Nah....I think irrelevant is probably the
best word to use.
The enemy's gate is down.
Big mistake. Independence means playing for nothing. No conference, no
rivalries. No chance of BCS, except if they go undefeated, which is rare. Big
East would mean bigger exposure in the East, thus bigger exposure overall. BYU
is not Notre Dame. Not even close. They are not as important as they think
they are in Utah Valley.
Craig Thompson is laughing!!!
Sadly BYU is progressing from sometimes good, but fun to most likely bad, but
boring. At least Navy, Air Force, Boise State and a couple of other teams in
the Big East would have been consistently fun and good competition at a playable
level for the Cougs. A good decision has been made to help fans go
to the movies or watch the Utes, Aggies and local high school teams. Aggie
losses have been more fun to watch than any BYU wins this year. It feels like
the BYU Idaho pattern for intercollegiate sports may move south. Perhaps the
march toward more intramural sports facilities is progressing well in Provo.
All of the broadcast rights for intramural sports are probably available for the
Y.Thanks for continuing the big jump in free time you have created
this year gentlemen!
I'm not surprised about the final outcome buy I am very disappointed about the
negotiating tactics that leaves BYU looking like the most arrogant university in
the country. The negotiations seemed to drag on for an incredible amount of
time about issues that were non-starters for both the Big12 and for the Big
East. This may be the best outcome for BYU but the process has damaged the
school's reputation and validated some of the comments from MWC schools about
what a difficult partner BYU is. By the way BYU has set about negotiating these
deals it has relegated itself to independence. There will be no other
opportunities from conference expansion/realignment because no one will want to
waste any time talking with and negotiating with BYU. This lifelong Cougar fan
is questioning his allegiance - makes me sick to say it but that classless
university up mort is starting to look better each passing day. This has been a
sad and exceedingly poorly handled summer and fall for BYU!
@dknight68 10:58You said, "The Des News will still try to
convince everyone through their propaganda that BYU is growing and relevent but
they are on a steady decline none the less."Actually, the BYU
hating trolls are doing more to prove BYU's relevance than anything the Deseret
News has printed.
As a Cougar fan, I'm not sure what to make of this. Yes, BYU appears
to look arrogant in all these negotiations. I totally understand why people
would say that. But let's say in a year or two when the whole BCS thing is
re-written, the powers that be decide to kick out the Big East Conference. If
that happens, BYU won't look so foolish after all.On the other hand,
I'm still not sold on this whole independence experiment. Part of that of course
has been the team itself. The Cougars could very well be 10-1 right now, except
for a few costly mistakes in the Texas and TCU games.But even if BYU
were 10-1, would it be that much better? They're not playing for a conference
title. No BYU player is getting a conference player of the week award or
All-Conference selection. Their schedule next year looks much better
than this year, but once the Cougars lose even a single game, the season will
have lost its relevance. I'm willing to see how things evolve over
the next two, maybe three seasons, but right now, BYU football is on a lame
BYU needs to be honest with their fans and with their recruits. It
is clear that the Administration does not want to achieve excellence in
Athletics... This is two realignment opportunities that we have blown while
keeping the fans in the dark the entire time.... If the information out there is
true and that the reason we are not going to the Big East is because we wanted
to keep TV rights for home games and that we wanted to be able to bolt without
penalties if the Big East lost its AQ then I can see why BYU has such a bad
reputation with other schools that have been in our Conferences in the past...
There is not another school or team in America that would ask for that. It is
condesending in nature and certainly is not League Friendly... The
people who are making these decisions are killing BYU Athletics in the
future.... Fans and ESPN are not going to be interested in watching BYU beat up
on WAC and Big Sky teams at 10:15 PM Eastern on Friday or Saturday nights...
Either get some people negotiating that understand college sports are close down
the Athletic Dept.
Holmoe and his "piece of work" cronies are now trying desperately to
determine which football conference bridge to burn next. Maybe the SEC? This
is AMAZING :-). Looks like WAC and Big Sky opponents for at least the next
decade! Well done Holmoe!
From Mike Johnson:"In the interest of protecting the $5-10 million
per year deal, BYU has place themselves out of the running for a deal that could
have been worth $15 million to them and offered them several bowl options,
including multi-million dollar bowls and remains stuck with $600K
bowls."I believe your numbers are very low. I would estimate
that this year BYU will take home between 15-20 mil. The AF Bowl is worth 1.2
with no need to share. I also don't believe the BE deal would have
paid those dollars to BYU.Right now my guess is that in 5 years,
BYU's revenue will be equal to or greater than what the PAC12 is paying Utah,
especially the next three.The formula for BYU to succeed in football
is to win games. It will not matter if they are in a conference or not if they
can win. Beating BSU, ND, Utah, GaTech and whoever else they play will give
them the exposure they need and even more revenue. But they must win. If they
win, bigger and better bowl games will come calling.
To all the little trollsSorry to disappoint you, but BYU chose to
take the road less traveled and already enjoys advantages that you could only
dream of. How many of your games were only televised locally on KJZZ
this year? Wouldn't it have been great to have a state of the art HD television
studio on campus, wired directly into RES and the HC, and connected to your very
own television network available in 60 million homes nationwide; and to have
ESPN as a television partner, willing to allow you unlimited rights to
rebroadcast any Utah game ever televised on ESPN?The Big East
basically wanted to flip the switch and tell BYU sorry, but we won't allow you
to broadcast your own games on your own network as long as you're a member of
our conference.And BYU was supposed to be willing to give all of
that up, for what?One year of possibily having AQ access to a
failing bowl system that probably won't exist beyond 2013?The trolls
are in a frenzy because they're incapable of understanding why anybody would
turn down an offer that wasn't in their best interest.
@sammygI take part of that back. I just read a comment you posted on
another article. It wasn't half bad. It's not that I find fault with
you on buying into independence. It's just that the obsession on trolls often
has you offended by Ute fans with no intent on getting your goat. And for the
ones that do intend (Chris B.), it's better to ignore those seeking attention.
Right? I have to tell myself that all of the time.
@ Riverton Cougar"So only one BCS conference expressed interest
in Utah, while two BCS conferences have expressed great interest in BYU. That
and the fact that BCS conferences deem BYU worthy of being
"BCS-caliber" means that Utah fans can officially no longer say that
Utah is "BCS-caliber" while BYU isn't".The reason two
BCS conferences expressed GREAT interest in byu is because they were desperate
to avoid oblivion and they needed a school to fill the void. If BCS conferences
deem BYU worthy of being "BCS Caliber", then why didn't BYU accept?
Obviously, BYU themselves don't feel their "BCS Caliber" or they would
have accepted! Either BYU is afraid of the step up in competition or they just
want to be Notre Dame wannabes. Sorry, nobody is Notre Dame!
@sammygYou sound so bitter. I asked if you were nervous, and I don't
think independence is going to work for you. That said, I wouldn't be surprised
if it did either. I do comment on BYU topics all of the time. And although I am
a Ute fan, you are mistaken to label me a hater and be so offended by me. I think Duckhunter makes solid comments, you not so much. Both of you
are to obsessed with so called Ute trolls.If you have so much faith
in BYU, regardless of the decisions they make, why not believe in that without
letting Ute comments diminish it?Are my questions still moronic?
I agree with those who are wary about joining any conference right now . . . 2 years and who knows what we'll have? Hopefully a playoff.College
football and conferences are not done juggling and reconstituting. Glad
we're waiting for a more stable situation. For all you despairing
Cougar fans, you would truly want to sellout for a mess of pottage!? Chin up!
This is only the first season of independence. It has not been bad, and it will
get better, however much anti-BYU bloggers would prefer that it not.GO COUGARS!!
I'm a big Ute fan, but when I read these boards I hope you are all kidding.
Because, although Utah has moved to the PAC 12 and BYU has gone independent,
nothing important has really changed. The BCS system is still horrible and
should be scrapped in favor of a playoff system. The two football programs are
still very evenly matched in quality and competitiveness. Maybe over time,
the programs will evolve differently and one will pull ahead of the other, but
that remains to be seen...
In StitchesPlease add 'arrogance' to your list. Do not
forget the 'arrogance' of BYU disclosing to a prospective partner the
following:An HD truckAn existing contract with 7 yrs left on
it with ESPN60 million plus potential fans to watch gamesHonor
CodeA mission for goodNo Sunday playA legacy programNumerous conference championshipsPersonal athletic acheivement awardsand so much more.
dknight68"To all the frustrated Cougar fans, big time football is
happening right up the street!! All we have to do is work on convincing Chris
Hill to expand the stadium."All we have to do is convince Chris
Hill to borrow the stadium down the street. It's available most Saturday
NightfouledupYet another little pathetic agitator that just can't
accept the fact that other conferences would even talk to BYU about joining
their imploding conferences.You and your ilk have been pounding your
chests since 2010 about how BYU would never be in these conference discussions
and get an invite.Well, guess what? Time to move on and get over it.
It happened. Yet another silly little troll prediction spiraling down the
proverbial anti-BYU toilet. Try all you can but you can't change
history.BYU got an invite just like it got an NC trophy. Hurts don't
BYU at least is doing a terrible job of managing they're P.R. I certainly
disagree with they're choices regarding the big east and big 12 but there is no
reason they should come off looking completely arrogant and haughty like they
do. Tom Holmoe should have been completely transparent about what happened in
both cases. Each time he should have held a press conference and
said, "we've talked extensivly with the big twelve/big east and have
decided that because of our contract with ESPN, independence is in our best
interest at this time. We thank the big east/big twelve, for the interest
they've shown and their willingness to negotiate and we're sincerly flattered by
their interest in our program. Perhaps down the road if there is mutual
interest, we will reopen negotiations." Bam! Bridges and reputation left
Well I for one am glad...I heard BCS director on Dan Patrick today, and the BCS
is going to kick the Big East out of automatic qualification. And If the answer
for the Big East is San Deigo freaking state...its further proof they know they
are dead men walking. For the Big East to want BYU to leave a TV deal worth
twice what they would make...good luck. How many winning seasons have Houston,
SMU, SDSU, had in the last ten years? five combined? That's really going to
help with AQ status. In two years the Big East will have nothing in football.
The BCS will never willingly allow schools like Boise State, SMU, Houston have
access...its all there is to it...the rules will be completely changed. The MTN
West having TCU, Utah, Air Force, BYU, and SDSU didn't qualify. AQ leagues will
be done away..and the Bowls will go back to their traditional arrangement with a
In StitchesDo you really think this was a good move?All
my BYU friends are boiling mad about this latest error in judgement.Glad I'm a Ute Fan. Go Utes!
Yes, Independence and the ESPN contract was 10X better than the MWC/TV deal, but
it has done more to hurt BYU than anything else the past 40 years! Now BYU
thinks its so great that they turned their nose up as the Big 12 and Big East so
all their fans have to look forward EVERY year is the Bo Diddily Bowl that
nobody cares about. Big 12 AND Big East would have had very solid bowls even
for the 2nd/3rd/4th place teams etc! Something to actually play for at the end
of the year not to mention the occasional hope of a BCS game! If not
for ESPN, BYU would have went running to the Big 12 under any scenario. Now
they look like elitists who won't work with anybody! So long to any potential
future conference invites EVER! Unless BYU specifically has inside info that
the Big 12 will invite them in 2013 when it expands to 12 teams, (and tell your
fans this) you deserve to lose many of your fans, season ticket holders and club
donations! Your fans are TICKED OFF!
New Ute Troll talking points:Pride, greed, missed the boat,
irrelevant.Please be sure to use these as much and as often as you
can on every BYU article.===Old talking points: Big
Least, not invited, not wanted, games only on weekday nights.These
are now not to be used.Thankyou.Ute Troll Headquarters.
I like the word Independence.
Robert JohnsonI dunno. How many times can you continue to troll a
team that you claim is irrelevant? "You keep using that word. I
do not think it means what you think it means."
gdog3finallyNervous about what? Seriously?Why would I or
anyone else be concerned about this? BYU would like better BCS access but as the
BCS discussion has been lately... it probably won't make any difference at
all.Patience is all anyone has but I understand you bandwagon types,
when Wynn went down and U lost 4 games. Talk about panic, that was hilarious and
several of U lambasting poor Hays for his first feeble efforts. Yep, that's the
ol' Ute bandwagon spirit many of us have come to recognize. Not true
for Cougar fans.The path is ahead and BYU is on it and not
compromising anything.I've said it before... who needs a stinkin'
conference? All of the late chatter of these poor imploding conferences is that
they wanted BYU. They certainly were not looking to steal the Utes or
Colorado.So BYU will just put the pedal to the metal on its HD truck
and 60 million fans will watch a lot of ESPN as things evolve. We knew this
first season was anemic for competition, 2012 is better, and 2013? Yeah baby!Yep, I'm really nervous about this . Any other moronic questions or
Now the real reason comes out - "It was all about the money!" Finally
the real reason we see has nothing to do with football or exposure. Now, don't
get me wrong, this is not a bad thing just a real thing. From this point forward
I don't want to hear about exposure or what independence can bring. This was all
about the money from the start. For you ESPN fans, did you take a look at the
game last week? The stands were fairly empty. The game started late and with all
of the other key games of the day, no one was watching. I am ok with the money
thing, just don't try and tell everyone else that there is something more in
this. We see it now for what it is - business! Not a bad thing just a business
issue. Exposure and independence was just a smoke screen. This is plain and
simple - it makes business sense$$$$$.
True....BYU does still have a contract with ESPN...but c'mon Cougar fans, how
many times can you watch BYU v. Idaho State, BYU v. San Jose St., BYU v. Montana
before it gets really really old. Face it...this is the first year of
Independence and already the vast majority of your fans are bored out of their
minds. The Big East was not the best of all worlds, but beggars can't really be
choosers. To avoid becoming irrelevant, BYU should have jumped on the Big East
opportunity and waited around for a better invite in a year or two. Now, there
is little chance that any major conference will come courting. Honestly, I feel
a little bad for the once good program.
Riverton Cougar said:"NightOwlAmerica, you are a joke. I can't
believe what you are saying. You continue to laugh at the fact that BYU isn't
part of a BCS conference, despite two of them talking with BYU (and one of them
even inviting BYU)..... BYU can make demands like that while Utah
can't.....Do you honestly think that if getting in a BCS conference
was BYU's priority, that they wouldn't be in one right now? How naive! They
found something that they like and want to stick with it.They have
40 more years of legacy and distinguished football awards than the your beloved
Utes."Here we go again. Someone that does not understand what
invite means, and dictating terms no less.Nobody cares about your WAC
legacy other than the Sun Belt Conference. The past 40 years prove that.Utah got in to a power conference first, get over it.The Big Least
and Big 12 don't want you. They need you to keep their conference together with
To all the frustrated Cougar fans, big time football is happening right up the
street!! All we have to do is work on convincing Chris Hill to expand the
stadium. Weekly TV coverage, (check) TV earnings reaching tens of millions per
year (check) BCS access, (check) 2nd 3rd and 4th place bowls which pay
multi-millions, (check) Seven bowl tie ins (check).BYU has chosen to let
thier football program continue on its long slow decline, they may still get the
occasional high star LDS athlete to play there and once every 3 or 4 years get a
big win. The Des News will still try to convince everyone through thier
propaganda that BYU is growing and relevent but they are on a steady decline
none the less. All the while the guys up the street have been steadily rising.
We invite you to come enjoy that which can only be found on the Hill.
In today's college football, Independence is not the option. Just ask Notre
Dame how they have been doing ever since the BCS started. I fully understand
that BYU did not want to jump onto the "Big Least" and I think that
decision was understandable. But they definitely should have made it clear from
the start their "independence journey" that they did not want to join
a conference. They should have told the Big 12 "No, we are sticking with
independence" and made that announcement to the public. Now it just looks
like they do not play well with others. The only problem with
independence is, how is Bronco going to look a recruit in the eye and honestly
tell him they will have something to play for? Is a recruit going to see BYU's
November schedule and say " Ya I would like to be playing Idaho for no
reason than playing for the Big 12, Pac 12, Big 10 etc. Championship in
November. So is the Big Least better than Indy? Honestly I couldn't tell you..
But if being Indy is risking any of the respect BYU has earned, I might say go
play in a conference.
BYU still has the same problem as before.Win games and you're in.That's the problem.
From the article: 'BYU does know that (Boise State) is the real
prize here, right?' Being part of a conference is working together as one team.
For the first time since BYU and the Big East started this process, member
schools are wondering why BYU is being so difficult."Exactly.Exactly. Pride before the fall.
NightOwlAmerica, you are a joke. I can't believe what you are saying. You
continue to laugh at the fact that BYU isn't part of a BCS conference, despite
two of them talking with BYU (and one of them even inviting BYU). BYU rejected
their offer, and offered a new proposal which was in turn rejected by the
conferences (notice that Chris Hill is too timid to speak up in the PAC,
particularly about Sunday play). BYU can make demands like that while Utah
can't.Is a student at Harvard automatically smarter than a student
at another university who was accepted into Harvard? BYU was invited, but
declined. Yet you still talk as if the U is lightyears ahead of BYU.Do you honestly think that if getting in a BCS conference was BYU's priority,
that they wouldn't be in one right now? How naive! They found something that
they like and want to stick with it."Forty years of WAC legacy
and long distinguished list of football awards. And what do you have? Still no
power conference affiliation."They have 40 more years of legacy
and distinguished football awards than the your beloved Utes.
Amazing how many kool-aid drinkers there are on this board.I am personally
disgusted by this news.I can't believe the arrogance shown here.I
can't believe BYU actually thinks it is bigger than the Big 12 and Big East.I was getting excited by the prospect of playing Boise St and the opportunity
to play for a conference championship.BYU is doing a HUGE disservice to
their football players.Why would a good recruit go to BYU when they have
nothing to play for?No conference championship.No BCS opportunity
(BYU will never go undefeated again)Not even a good schedule.BYU - YOU BLEW IT.
Had BYU joined the Big East, it would have been a "plus" for easier
scheduling over the last half of future seasons.Had BYU joined the
Big East, it would have been a "minus" in terms of money (far less
than what BYU is paying them now), visibility (they would have been lost in a
host of regional networks), and general independence (BYU would have lost
control of pretty much everything they are currently in control of).If all these changes are coming to college football as we hear, BYU will
likely be in the perfect place, an independent in total control of their future.
They will be one of four teams in America who could get a call at
10:00 A.M. on a Wednesday in December inviting them to play football in a new
conference and be able to be on the field representing that conference on the
first day of the following season.No exit fees. No waiting on the
sidelines for months, or years to pass.This is a good thing.
BYU "One last thing and I think we have a deal, if the game isn't
televised we'd like to put in on BYUtv."Big
East "Ummmm, no."BYU "No, we're happy to
have our games on TV under the conference banner, but we'd
like to televise the games that are passed on."Big East
"That's not going to happen."BYU "Guys, really
it's a win-win for everyone. If ESPN/Fox/CBS chooses not to
broadcast our game that week, then we will provide everything
and broadcast the game on BYUtv. That means over 60 Million
people in the US have access to the game and millions more
worldwide could see the game, too."Big East "Let's
see...yeah, we'll pass on that."BYU "You do know we
already have this deal in place with ESPN for the next SEVEN
YEARS, and schools all over the country have signed up to play
us?!?"Big East "We don't care."BYU
"Take care, brush your hair." (BYU exits)
Great News Cougar Fans!Note: Ignore the tedious trolls. Giving up the right to have almost every home game televised nationally on
ESPN, plus being able to rebroadcast on BYUtv any BYU game televised by ESPN,
wasn't worth the risk of joining a conference whose AQ status would probably
have lasted only one season.November scheduling would have initially
been made a little easier for Holmoe, but with persistence, BYU can still
schedule interesting matchups that could very easily be better than what the
Cougars would have had playing in the Big East year after year.With
the elimination of bowl tie-ins to the BCS, bowls will return to being a nice
reward for winning a conference championship, for a very few, and a fun little
early winter diversion for most. The BCS will continue to stage a
"national championship" game, but controversies surrounding which
teams get in and which teams are left out will eventually reach the boiling
point, leading first to a four-team, then an eight-team, and finally a
sixteen-team playoff, as it should have been all along.The BCS will
die a natural death.Goodbye BCS. Helllloooo Playoffs!!!
A question for BYU fans.How can you consider this an official invite? You
never accepted the invite in the first place. That does not make it official.
Chalk it up to the list of rumors, what could have beens, and some interest by a
conference or two over the past forty years of WAC dominance.
So many comments and so little knowledge.I am very happy BYU is
staying right where it is and very comfortable with the process that got them
there. I like their visibility and especially their leadership.All
the wah wah wah trolls and fair-weather fans mean nothing in the grander scheme
Nobody really knows how the mighty cougar football program will turn out. But it
does not look good.Time for the creative writers to step up at BYU TV.
Unless you are a true cougar fan, new shows will be needed to ease the tension.
Food shows do well. How about "America's Best Green Jello" or The
Funeral Potato Wars of Provo."
PP | 9:18 p.m. Nov. 22, 2011 Eagle Mountain, UTWell, obviously
the Big East isn't interested in football talent, hence the invite to both BYU
and SDSU. It must be about location or something...
So who does BYU lose first? It's recruits or its coach.
Byu has never shown interest in BCS games so it makes sense that they would not
want to join a BCS conference.At least they will be able to hold on
to the rights of replaying games with Idaho State, Idaho, New Mexico State and
other high schools.Someone above said "they should join the
Big12" that's great and would make sense if they get an invite. But they
haven't been invited, the only invite they have officially received is from the
*sigh*You know even I occasionally get a little bit tired of the
ever predictable and tedious utah "fans" that post on BYU articles.
You see we all know none of you want anything good to happen for BYU so
whichever way they go on any given issue your spin will be negative. Suffice it to say BYU will be just fine. @gdogI
wouldn't say I am nervous at all. But I have faith in the church as an entire
institution and despite the hate exibited by supposed LDS utah "fans"
BYU is an institution of the church. I have perfect faith that they will be
steered in the direction they need to go and that in the end it will all work
out. It really is as simple as that. Certainly individuals can make mistakes
that may seem to set things back but ultimately they will be right where they
need to be doing exactly what they should be doing.Now some of your
fellow ute "fans" may denigrate that or call it naieve but that is how
I feel. I'm perfectly happy with independence and am excited about what is
coming in the years ahead.
PP said, "I think it is great that Utah is in the PAC, but dont pretend
that you were a prime candidate to get in. You were the last option."Correction: Second to last (unless I miised hearing about the Y's
As a long standing member of the Crimson Club, I hoped to see BYU get into a
competitive BCS conference. After all, to see PAC 12 teams coming through Salt
Lake in addition to big name teams from another conference going to Provo the
State would have been a mecca for college football not to mention the added
value to the rivalry. While I respect cougar fans for their loyalty and
optimism with independence, I am of the view that the necessary frequency of
high quality opponents will be insufficient to meet the required demands of the
fan base and potential recruits. The program will decline and its value to ESPN
will diminish resulting in the dissolution of their precious agreement. This
entire process was poorly played by BYU's administration. How unfortunate for
An interesting but not an unexpected turn of events. Based on the
differing posts by BYU fans, as a group they appear bi-polar. Less than 48
hours ago the BE was the salvation of Broncos desire for BCS access. Now it
appears the BE was nothing more than a beggar for the scraps from BYU's table.
BYU would have made the BE a stronger, more legitimate conference. And it
definitely would have been easier access to BCS games. Independence isn't going
to reach that goal with or without AQ conferences. There's no doubt that the
BYU admin will do what they feel is right for BYU. I would expect nothing less.
But I sympathize with frustrated BYU fans. A goal so close yet unattainable.
Yes future BYU teams will have winning seasons against average competition with
an occasional great team on the schedule, but it will still leave a somewhat
empty feeling. It has been fun to watch the Utes. Yes I have been able to
watch every game on TV. The national exposure is accomplished by its conference
affiliation. BYU's desire for greater exposure has been accomplished, but in
this circumstance they've just been exposed. Go Utes!
fan32"BYU sports...care alot more about the new fan than those of us
who have supported the program all our lives. As long as you fans in timbucktoo
who have never bought a ticket or a cougar dog at the concession stand can now
see the games, BYU will do everything they can to accommodate you and throw all
the loyal local fans under the bus for you. Congratulations, you win."Most of us in timbucktoo spent time at BYU, why do you think we're BYU
fans in the first place? If only the BYU loyal lived in driving distance to
Provo, then BYU's ESPN deal wouldn't exist at all. WE ARE LEGION!!!!!!TV is priority #1 with BYU.The years spent on the mtn. were
painful for us longtime BYU fans not in the Utah area. I'll agree loading up on
WAC teams every year would be unacceptable, but let's look at reality. Teams
from all over the country have and will continue to schedule the Cougars;
including Big12, Big East and eventually MWC again. It's hard for any school to
turn down an attendance boost at their gate and a game on ESPN.
@wildcatWell you have now posted almost that exact same post about
15 times on 3 different articles. No one has replied to you so you just keep
posting it. Just for the sake of making you feel like you have actually gotten
something acomplished by posting it 15 times I'll reply.You don't
know what you are talking about. You are simply posting your BYU hating hopes
and dreams. You're wrong and time will show you are wrong.There you
go. Now you can reply or at least go to bed happy that you have been
Cougars need to remember that the Big East interest is in Boise State, the team
that gives them their best support for continued AQ status. Boise State wanted
another team in the west. The original idea for the west division of the Big
East was Boise State, Air Force, Houston, SMU, Louisville, and Cincinnati. BYU
became a program of interest when Air Force stated they would rather remain in
the Mountain West. San Diego State became a program of interest several days
ago when BYU wouldn't sign on the same terms as anybody else. But, with Air
Force, BYU, and now San Diego State, it was always about a western partner for
Boise State.In the interest of protecting the $5-10 million per year
deal, BYU has place themselves out of the running for a deal that could have
been worth $15 million to them and offered them several bowl options, including
multi-million dollar bowls and remains stuck with $600K bowls.
smart_alec "I'm not sure what the Big East expected."They
expected to humor Boise State. That is the king. We were the pawn.
toosmartforyou said:"BYU is head and shoulders above any other
school in the country with their state-of-the-art broadcast facilities. Texas is
envious; so is Oklahoma. LSU or Alabama should have it so good. Remember the
OSU-BYU game in Oregon where BYU rolled their HDTV Truck into town on a few
hours notice? No one else in the country can do that. Why should they have to
forfeit that for their own home games?"That is hilarious! LSU,
Alabama, Oklahoma and Texas annually compete for national prominence, conference
championships, top-tier bowl games, and a shot at a national championship. BYU
has an HD truck, I can see how those other schools could be jealous!
I'm not sure what the Big East expected. They knew about BYU's ESPN deal when
they approached BYU about membership and that they would never relinquish that,
not even for BCS AQ status. Why is the Big East surprised that home TV rights
were not for sale? I'd like more details on the negotiations and I
am a little bit disappointed that it didn't work out. If you're a conference
administration looking to add BYU you don't go into negotiations expecting them
to give up TV rights to home games. It sounds like the BYU lawyers might have
sunk the lifeboat, but fortunately the ship "Independence" is still
seaworthy and on course.
BYU sports is just like your satellite or cable companies. They care alot more
about the new fan than those of us who have supported the program all our lives.
As long as you fans in timbucktoo who have never bought a ticket or a cougar dog
at the concession stand can now see the games, BYU will do everything they can
to accommodate you and throw all the loyal local fans under the bus for you.
Congratulations, you win. The BYU sports burocracy is broken and unaccountable
to really no body. The sports program leadership at BYU all need to be fired.
Let's hope the leadership of the church can see it and make it happen before it
is too late.
The really interesting question here is: "What does the board of trustees
really want BYU football to accomplish?"
Why would BYU give up their current deal with ESPN for a worse deal with ESPN?
Do you really think that the BE wants SDSU? I smell negotiation tactic - any it
may fail for the BE. It is hard to negotiate with a person (BYU) who is
comfortable where they are at because there is not much that the BE really has
to offer. By the way, for all you U fans out there - you were the SDSU of the
PAC10 negotiations. Just like the BE failed with BYU the PAC10 failed with
Texas/OK and ended up getting their gong show prize. I think it is great that
Utah is in the PAC, but dont pretend that you were a prime candidate to get in.
You were the last option.
Duckhunter calling someone a troll. Now that's ironic.
NightOwlAmerica said: "BYU has to win games and draw TV ratings for
stability to mean anything."True that.IMO, BYU has
only 2 more seasons of independence, if that, before the honeymoon is over.
They have to win big games as an independent. Otherwise, recruiting,
scheduling, and their ESPN contract will suffer and they (and fans) will be left
with an average team in a 65,000 seat stadium.BYU has stability for
a couple more years. No need to hyperventilate this year, or next. After
that....But they must win games, and win big games too.
Bronco, make up your mind. Don't let BYU make up your mind. you want to be in
a BCS conference and play in a BCS bowl or you want to stay independent? they
are mutually exclusive!BTW.......what other spin did you expect
coming out of BYU?And I'm a BYU fan who is frustrated with this
nonsense. The BCS won't kick out the BEAST! Just like a conference won't kick
out a school regardless of how bad they are.BYU is naive. And it
will most likely cost them big time.
I am glad we are not joining the Big East. I still wish they'd work things out
with the Big 12. But independence (even with bad home schedule) is better than
being in a conference that is getting weaker and weaker by the day. Big 12 or
Pac-12 is the prize, not the Big East.
BigJCan Bronco be more delusional when he said? "But I love the
schedules we're putting together for the future, and I love the chance to
partner and be on TV as much as we are. I think it's helping us. I'm very
comfortable (with independence) When you have a good competition level and a
good football team, and TV, then you get it all. I think that's what we
have."I used to think it was spin, but I'm starting to think he
really believes it.
toosmartforyou said:".....BYU is head and shoulders above any
other school in the country with their state-of-the-art broadcast facilities.
Texas is envious; so is Oklahoma. LSU or Alabama should have it so good.
Remember the OSU-BYU game in Oregon where BYU rolled their HDTV Truck into town
on a few hours notice? No one else in the country can do that. Why should they
have to forfeit that for their own home games?"They better put
a winning product on the field and draw national attention for good ratings.Otherwise they might as well retrofit the HD truck into a taco wagon.
"CA. reader | 7:54 p.m. Nov. 22, 2011 Rocklin, CAFor those of
you who take this as an opportunity to hammer BYU, and therefore the Church,
your ignorance of history is glaring."I am LDS and proud of it,
my LDS Church Membership does not require me to love BYU fooseball.
Can Bronco be more delusional when he said? But I love the schedules we're
putting together for the future, and I love the chance to partner and be on TV
as much as we are. I think it's helping us. I'm very comfortable (with
independence) When you have a good competition level and a good football team,
and TV, then you get it all. I think that's what we have."Every BYU
fan I talk to hates independence. Spin, Spin, Spin.Go Utes!
Your not even a little nervous Duckhunter? Do all decisions made by BYU get
induced by you to be the best move possible? I feel bad for a lot of
BYU fans because November is a time to play football against conference
opponents, positioning yourself for the best bowl game, and having a quality
schedule as the climax of a season.Exposure is great, but what kind
of exposure are we looking at. Friday night at 8:30 PM against Bo Didley Tech.
Sure your the only game on. But do you think those watching, including your own
fans respect your exposure? No way.The BYU fans across the country
can watch games more often now. But winning over new fans and recruits seems to
be a stretch for me under this indy thing.ESPN likes the ratings
because their are BYU fans everywhere to watch. Again, what about your recruits
and potential fans? Furthermore, what about your own fans locally, who are
losing interest in attending home games?
A little venting from a Cougs fan. Obviously BYU administrators know much more
about the details than any of us. But, as a fan, I simply don't understand why
BYU broke off the talks. It's seems to be wrapped around not wanting to lose
the current 8-year contract with ESPN, but ESPN has the contract w/ the Big
East? So, that's a head scratcher. Apparently, BYU is choosing "nat'l
exposure" on ESPN over getting into a solid conference, with much stronger
conf. scheduling & better potential for a BCS bowl than remaining
independent. Their schedule this year was laughable. With the exception of 2-3
games, not much there-- other than padding stats. And look what they did with
the "prominent" teams from this year-- they lost to both Texas and
TCU. The schedule improves "a little" in the future. But BYU is so far
away from being an established independent "power house" as Notre
Dame is, where teams stumble over each other to play them. Nat'l exposure is
nice, but BYU is YEARS away from getting into any serious BCS discussion. And
that's a fact!
Riverton Cougar said:"So only one BCS conference expressed
interest in Utah, while two BCS conferences have expressed great interest in
BYU. That and the fact that BCS conferences deem BYU worthy of being
"BCS-caliber" means that Utah fans can officially no longer say that
Utah is "BCS-caliber" while BYU isn't."You have got
to be kidding? Any rational college football fan in the country would say that
The PAC 12 is a better place to be than the BIg Least and Big 12.Utah is in a stable conference. Something BYU knows nothing about.
Something that the Big East Wizards didn't consider is that when their teams
played BYU in Provo they would be televised over the entire globe, not just some
regional game. Also, I wonder why San Diego State suddenly isn't
satisfied with the MWC when Utah, BYU and now probably Air Force leaving would
give them an opportunity to finally win the conference. They're pretty weak,
really. But of course they just loved doing the hatchet job on BYU who they
couldn't beat where it counts---on the field.BYU is head and
shoulders above any other school in the country with their state-of-the-art
broadcast facilities. Texas is envious; so is Oklahoma. LSU or Alabama should
have it so good. Remember the OSU-BYU game in Oregon where BYU rolled their
HDTV Truck into town on a few hours notice? No one else in the country can do
that. Why should they have to forfeit that for their own home games?Stay independent.
Riverton Cougar said:"Some people are out of the loop and don't
realize that the Big East really wanted BYU and already invited them. BYU just
didn't agree to their terms.So only one BCS conference expressed
interest in Utah, while two BCS conferences have expressed great interest in
BYU. That and the fact that BCS conferences deem BYU worthy of being
"BCS-caliber" means that Utah fans can officially no longer say that
Utah is "BCS-caliber" while BYU isn't.I'm excited for
independence. Fans have complained about the schedule, yet are so quick to
forget that we all knew a good schedule wouldn't be possible the first coupls of
seasons due to the short notice. It's nice that BYU's in a position to be able
to set their own terms. Other teams don't even have that option; they must take
what they're offered. Beggars can't be choosers. BYU is obviously not a
beggar."LOL!Forty years of WAC legacy and long
distinguished list of football awards. And what do you have? Still no power
It's not only Utah trolls Duckhunter, read the comment above you.
I'm out of the Cougar Club. Forget it.
David said:"No need to hyperventilate folks. BYU has a long
term contract with ESPN that provides stability for them. BYU also has their own
broadcasting equipment, studios, technologies and capabilities. Why give all of
that up by giving away the broadcast rights for home games?"BYU
has to win games and draw TV ratings for stability to mean anything.
I read the home tv rights like this: If you can't put us on tv sets with the
network deal you have as a conference THEN we can do it on our own and whatever
money we make doing that is ours and we aren't going to share. What is wrong
with that? If a school think's its brand has value and the league it is attached
to doesn't market it very well (WAC or MWC or Big lEast or whomever) then we
will market it for the games you don't. Smart business.Just because nobody else
wants to try doesn't mean it is wrong, would imagine that there are plenty of
other schools out there thinking about it right now. If BYU pulled it off, every
Texas, Florida State, Georgia, USC, and others would be doing the same thing.
Good for them in sticking to the business plan. Make the brand available ALL the
time not just when the league wants to. Nobody wants to watch Wyoming play even
in Wyoming, so don't spread the exposure just to be fair; market the product
people want. BYU thinks that people want to watch BYU Football, I agree with
To those who are trying to pile on BYU for their "unreasonable
demands", a line from a recent movie comes to mind where the hero asked for
something extraordinary. His response to their initial refusal was: "Hey,
you guys came to me". BYU was approached by the Big East, not the other way
around. BYU was happy to move from independence if it would be a better
situation for BYU's goals. If the Big East wasn't willing to accommodate those
demands, then BYU wasn't willing to join them. It is that simple. Remember the
reason they went independent - because of horrible TV exposure. Why would the
degrade what they have now for a 1 year temporary BCS conference?Now, I personally would have liked being back in a conference to make November
meaningful, but I understand what BYU did and why.
Well we'll hear from the ute trolls for awhile but in the end this was the
result I wanted. Good news for sure. Now they can get on with independence and
hopefully there won't be anymore of this stuff to be a distraction.I
will miss the ute troll angst however but have no doubt they'll find something
else to try and denigrate BYU with.
This is awesome!! BYU gets to continue to play awesome games against teams like
Idaho, Idaho State, New Mexico State, and San Jose State. This
whole thing was done over money. I'm done going to home games, and watching
games for that matter. BYU admin does not care about the home fans, all they
care about is ESPN. Do they honestly think that fans are going to continue to
go to games in October and November to watch home games against crap teams in
games that really do not count. What a joke!!!
Boise and AFA should not join big east and jump in as independent. BE is the big
bad wolf the way I can tell.
Mixed feelings on this one - I like BYU and have been particularly well
entertained as Riley Nelson came in as the gunslinger QB who seems to love the
game of football and made it fun to watch.The Big Least is not very
impressive, so I don't think BYU is missing out on much by not joining them.
However, it does seem that scheduling will become increasingly difficult as an
Independent. BYU is a big risk for the AQ teams to play. Already the AQ teams
must play their division games - why would they want to risk a game with BYU,
(who has proven they can beat just about anyone in any given year) and spoil
undefeated seasons and potential national championships? Independence will continue to be great for exposure (I wish the Utes had the
ESPN televised games) - but, it will be difficult for long term football
success. Notre Dame is not a great model for BYU to follow, BYU lacks the
legacy and the Rudy nostalgia (plus the huge number of Catholics in the country)
- Independence for BYU will likely look much more like Army or Navy - good
teams, just not power houses that challenge for the National title. Nothing
wrong with that, but seems like a likely scenario.Go Utes!
BYU will bring in big names, as long as they have enough weekends in their
schedule not filled with traditional rivals. And if teams only have 1 or 2
slots for non-conference scheduling, why would they go with BYU?
@sammyg and Gorum the old.Good for your patience. Do you believe all
decisions BYU makes will work out? Come on, you are a little nervous right?
Sigh.....It's going to be a long winter until my Phillies start
In negotiations when you have no interest in accepting a deal (invite), you have
two ways to go: be honest and deny any interest of agreeing to a deal or make
an outrageous demand in the odd-chance they give in to it.BYU should
have said they had no interest in joining a BCS conference, and that they are
perfectly content with their current setup and TV deal. Now, they have burned
bridges with the MWC, Big 12, and Big East. Most of the PAC-12 is probably
turned off as many of the BYU fans immediately said that they were just
discriminating against their religion. For the schedule, this leaves
the Big 10, ACC, and SEC (all will want two for one games). The other possible
games: Sun Belt, MAC, C-USA, independents and FCS. These aren't going to draw
interest. Sure, ESPN will be glad to fill a non-peak viewing time slot, but now
begins the downward spiral.The fans just saw their AD and board
basically turn down a national stage for some extra money. Money isn't
everything, besides BYU isn't going bankrupt.Too bad for the serious
Cougar fans that they just wimped out!
No need to hyperventilate folks. BYU has a long term contract with ESPN that
provides stability for them. BYU also has their own broadcasting equipment,
studios, technologies and capabilities. Why give all of that up by giving away
the broadcast rights for home games?Right now fans have got to be
happy that they can watch every game on tv right now. That wasn't possible in
the MWC. BYU is happy because of the $millions they are receiving from ESPN,
which wasn't happening in the MWC. No need to get greedy. Life is good if
you're a BYU fan.I suspect the BCS will change dramatically. I
wouldn't be surprised if it somehow carried on as is. But I also wouldn't be
surprised if it restructured...drastically, and many schools and teams will have
egg on their helmets. Just relax and enjoy watching games! Sitting
tight, letting the dust settle, and evaluating the changing landscape of college
football is in BYU's best interest right now.
I sometimes get the impression that BYU is trying for some reason to commit
football suicide. Anyone who thinks that the Big East will lose their AQ status
does not understand the political clout that they have just because of their
current location. The real problem with BYU is they think that they are somehow
special when in the eyes of the rest of the country they are just not too smart.
When superconferences come, and they will, BYU will be on the outside looking
A Utah man am I, but I feel for some BYU fans that think, as I do, it's a
mistake staying independent. BYU might be getting something better
down the road, but to a certain extent, faith in independence is being exercised
in full effect. I don't know what fruit will come of that seed, but I would not
be surprised to see BYU football lose the kind of relevance they have worked so
hard for over the last 40 years.
i dont understand all the drama on this board of byu turning down the big least.
their conference is imploding and if they lose AQ status they become even more
irrelevant in college football. not much to gain by joining them, a whole lot to
lose. byu shouldn't have started negotiations in the first place. it just opens
us up to criticism and there are a lot of homers out there eager to take a shot
at byu and the lds church.
"Some people will never figure out what invite means."Some
people are out of the loop and don't realize that the Big East really wanted BYU
and already invited them. BYU just didn't agree to their terms.So
only one BCS conference expressed interest in Utah, while two BCS conferences
have expressed great interest in BYU. That and the fact that BCS conferences
deem BYU worthy of being "BCS-caliber" means that Utah fans can
officially no longer say that Utah is "BCS-caliber" while BYU
isn't.I'm excited for independence. Fans have complained about the
schedule, yet are so quick to forget that we all knew a good schedule wouldn't
be possible the first coupls of seasons due to the short notice. It's nice that
BYU's in a position to be able to set their own terms. Other teams don't even
have that option; they must take what they're offered. Beggars can't be
choosers. BYU is obviously not a beggar.
BYU is driving a Yugo, and tried to convince the Big 12 and Big East that it was
a Benz! Clearing they think more of themselves than everyone else does. All this does is make them look like a bunch of Prima Donnas. Why in
the world would they think that they should get a deal that NO other AQ
conference school gets? And why weren't these demands made clear early enough
in the process to not waste everyones time?
BYU, along with Boise State, need to join the WAC. For many reasons, it just
makes sense. Both teams can have their ESPN games, plus geographically it makes
sense. Maybe they can talk Nevada and Fresno to come back to the WAC also. The
solution has been under your noses the whole time. Also, Boise is
tired of the MWC treating them like the new little sister. Boise has made it
very clear that they want out of the MWC.
For those of you who take this as an opportunity to hammer BYU, and therefore
the Church, your ignorance of history is glaring. The Church and BYU have a
history of going against the grain and succeeding. I would rather take my
chances with BYU's leadership from the top down than jump at something as
fleeting as AQ conference membership. To the Utah fans who may find some joy in
all of this, yours is a totally different situation, a state university not
governed by the principles espoused by BYU. That is not a knock on the U, just
a fact. I wish you guys all the luck in the PAC 8-10-12-?. However, you need
to remember that you and TCU and Boise State are all riding a wave of football
competitiveness (?) created in the Intermountain West by none other than Brigham
Young University. Thank you.
I don't have ESPNU for those late night games!
I wonder why Desnews didn't reprint the ENTIRE article. They cut off the last 3
paragraphs. The original article goes on to say: "The Big East has been
trying to convince potential members that joining will lead to more television
revenue, greater television exposure and access to an automatic BCS
bid."BUT they wanted BYU to take in a SMALLER TV revenue, equal
or less TV exposure in a far flung conference that may or may not still give
them access to the BCS in 2 years.... Gee, wonder why the Cougs passed on this
gem of a deal....I have to laugh at my fellow Utes, who for weeks
have been trying their darndest to convince BYU fans that the "Big
Least" wasn't worth joining and are now reappearing to say that BYU has
"missed the boat." Give it a break already! Sorry Cougs. Please know
that they do Not represent the majority of us.
All the BYU fans pledging jumping off the Cougar ship because of this if it
proves true please don't let the ground hurt to much when you land.... The train
will be better without than it was with you. :)
In other words, they sold their ticket on the Titanic to someone else. BYU will
be fine. As much as some Ute fans love to mock the weak schedule this year, BYU
is going to bring in big names. They have been doing that LONG before Utah was
a glimmer in the Pac 10's eye.
Resolute Voice your post is absolutely correct.
The big 12 would have been worth giving up the tv rights, but not big east. Who
even knows how long they will have a bcs bid....
It was doubtful from the start that would work. Too many bad memories of the
.mtn Too many of those memories had turned to nightmares in BYU minds.
Good Move. Go Cougars!
Thanksgiving troll comments begin in 3...2...1... Well there you
have it sports fans and BYU-haters. Obviously the invite was genuine, something
that several said would never happen. Independence will be just fine
and next season will be better and 2013 will be something to really get pumped
for. I'm patient, always have been.Go Cougars!
This is great news for all of the football powers in Idaho.
I must admit, I'm a little disappointed! There were a lot of good match-ups to
be had... SMU, Houston, Boise State, Air Force, Navy, along with existing Big
East Schools... Would have been fun! And, I think that BYU would have been in
the running for a conference championship in most years.
BYU should have been honest upfront and said to both the Big 12 and Big East
that they had no interest in joining a BCS conference and preferred their
current setup with their ESPN TV deal. This of course would have brought to
light to their fans that they have no interest in competition on the national
stage but that their interest is purely money. Beating smaller schools at
low-peak viewing hours is too good to pass up.Unfortunately, they
have made their independence deal a lot tougher by burning bridges with the MWC,
Big 12, and Big East. Most of the PAC-12 won't schedule BYU either since they
pulled the religious discrimination card. The Big 10, ACC and SEC will demand
two for one games. What's left? The MAC, Sun Belt, C-USA, independents, and
FCS teams (the WAC will dissolve)--meh.The U and USU will stop
scheduling them, too. Utah will want a two for one, and USU will not accept a
two for one.BYU needs to learn to play better in the sandbox with
everyone. I feel sorry for the schedule maker and the fans. Way to wimp out
It is kind of hard to give TV rights away to be in a bigger league.If it was say PAC12 knocking that would be different.
"CBSSports.com reported Tuesday that San Diego State of the Mountain West
is the Big East's next western target."The Big-East is really
scraping the bottom of the barrel if they want San Diego State in football. San
Diego State's weak football teams would actually hurt the conference's chances
of retaining a BCS berth. San Diego State BASKETBALL - yes,
football - no.
I'm becoming increasingly embarrassed by the delusion of independence. This
year's schedule is terrible, and contrary to the "scheduling takes
time" cop out, it will not improve significantly. As conferences expand,
big teams will have fewer non-conference openings and less incentive to play a
team like BYU. After seeing the pathetic development that is the
2011 season, BYU should be running to a conference. If tv rights
killed the Big 12 deal, Holmoe and the other decision makers may be the most
incompetent and/or delusional negotiators in sports history. I
guess at least we will continue to be "exposed" by the few decent
teams we play each year on ESPN as recruits start to avoid this train wreck of a
program like the plague.
Spectacular implosion, helmet stickers for everyone!
The march towards mediocrity and virtually no relevance to anyone important
continues. The reality that BYU fans refuse to face is that the ESPN contract is
not the same as one that say Texas, or Notre Dame could negotiate. BYU is a
small university in Utah with what I am afraid to say an overinflated sense of
worth. BYU is not Notre Dame, Texas, Alabama, or USC. They are not on that level
so they need to stop acting like it. Why play chicken with your future? The
reality rapidly approaching BYU is being on the same level as SJSU. Only the die
hard fan refuses to recognize that the 14 or 16 team super conferences means no
one (of importance) has to schedule BYU. Naïve BYU fans point to the big
names coming to LES in the future, but what they all deny is that those
contracts can be cancelled at a moments notice. Oh sure the teams will pay the
penalty, but in the end it is one more SJSU, Utah St, or New Mexico St that BYU
will have to schedule. How long do you think season ticket holders will pay to
No biggie, even though the idea of joining the Big East was the greatest thing
since sliced bread about a week ago... everyone REALLY wanted Independence
anyways.I mean, who wants to have a chance to play for a BCS bowl,
Thank goodness!The Big 12 was not in our best interests.The Big East is definitely not in our best interests.Both
conferences are losing teams, not gaining teams. Why jump on the Titanic?BYU is on national TV every week. No need to give that up just to get a
conference trophy.Stay the course. Being independent is the best
option right now.
I wonder if BYU leadership knows how bad they look right now? Not just to the
Big East, but to any major College Football Conference in this country. This is
the second major conference in a row that BYU has alienated. All the behind the
scene complaints from MWC teams seem to be valid. BYU is coming off like an
elitist school that is hard to work with. They are now going to have a really
bad reputation. They want something that no other school in a major conference
has, which is rights to their home games. I hope the lawyers at BYU are fired,
I hope that the leadership of the LDS church can see how much damage this will
cause to the opinion by others of the LDS church. The excuse would be "we
don't care what others think" but that simply isn't true, my example is how
many people don't think the LDS church is Christian and how the LDS church and
its members have tried to show that it is Christian. You do care what others
think, why alienate 2 major conferences and basically black ball us from all the
other major conferences?
And there goes the "relevance" out the window...
The Big-12 would have been worth more. I didn't think that the Big-East was
worth anything. The talk is that the SEC, Big-12 and the PAC-12 want to lock-out
the Big-East and possiably the ACC from any future BCS-like agreement.Independence for BYU is just as good as the Big-East and far better than the
MWC. BYU's attorneys sure are taking some heat. Maybe someone should
have not wasted everyone's time and worked the ESPN issue, before working the
easy stuff. If this report is true, BYU hasn't lost anything.
Glad to hear it! Not that I was totally against BYU going to the Big East, but
because BYU would have to give up too much to do so, and be right back where
they were (exposure-wise) when they were in the MWC.Louisville also
wants out (to the Big 12), so it'll be interesting to see what the Big 12 does
about that, and the need to get to 12 or more to keep their conference from
being raided again down the road. BYU's talks with the Big 12 might not be
totally over. They're running out of choices to get to 12 teams.The
Big East won't maintain AQ status for long, either because there won't be enough
good teams in it, or because the BCS removes AQ from all conferences. Either
way, BYU is better off independent.I'm now looking forward to seeing
how all those BCS schools friendly to BYU will get scheduled from 2013 on.
I gotta admit, a big part of me is breathing a sigh of relief.
BYU now has two avenues to pursue. 1) Forge another conference in
the West; pull in Boise State, Air Force, Houston, Nevada, etc. or...2) Get VERY serious about independence. Stop talking to other conferences
about hopping on board. The AQ thing is dead.
BYU missed the ship that launched when the big 12 expanded. I believe they are
better off independent then joining the big east. I guess BYU still
has those 8:15 kick offs and two byes to get through that tough WAC schedule in
November to look forward to.54 - 10
OK.Not surprised. Can't wait to hear from Daffy DuckHunter about BYU
not giving in to negotiations for an invite.Some people will never figure
out what invite means.