What next? Lawmakers look to undo the supercommittee back-up plan

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  • ksampow Farr West, Utah
    Nov. 28, 2011 10:29 a.m.

    Democrats want big government, leading to more debt for our children and eventual default.

    Republicans have it right in promoting smaller government and less spending. They also have the right idea when they promote tax cuts, but with the wrong timing. They want to cut taxes now and then work on spending cuts. We should cut spending FIRST and then work on the tax cuts when government is down to a manageable size.

  • ksampow Farr West, Utah
    Nov. 28, 2011 10:23 a.m.

    @Larry & @onevote
    We do not have a "Republican Congress" - we have a divided Congress, with Democrats in control of the Senate and Republicans in control of the House. In fact, for most of the last century Democrats have controlled one or both chambers of Congress.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 22, 2011 11:02 p.m.


    Lady gaga? I was just clowning around. When Obama said millionaires, pay your fair share, and you can pay a little more, I think he meant all millionaires. I used Lady GaGa as an example of a millionaire to lighten up peoples ill feelings toward the rich. She hasn't caused our economic problems.

  • CWJ Layton, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:39 p.m.

    My thoughts on this may be out in left field, or somewhere disconnected from reality, but it would appear that when the super-committee (a gross exaggeration) convened, they had no real intent on coming up with a viable solution to out of control deficit spending. I imagine that when these supposed Super 12 started to present their suggestions, each and everyone objected because it was their personal sacred cash cow that was targeted and heaven forbid that should happen. Yes, this is an overly simplistic view, but perception is reality, and the reality of this situation is that these baffoons probably had no intent on making changes at all. What a scam, sham, and disgrace to all of us citizens. 535 elected representatives and officials in Washington need to be shown the door to the unemployment office straight away.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 6:23 p.m.

    cut, cap and balance has become stall, sneak and spend.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Nov. 22, 2011 4:10 p.m.

    DN: This does not violate your rules, and is tamer than many comments here.

    Deltafoxtrot is right on the money.

    It's time to fire some people. Let's start with the Super-Dud Committee. Here are their names:

    Jeb Hensarling, R-Texas, Patty Murray, D-Wash., co-chairs; Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., John Kerry, D-Mass., Pat Toomey, R-Pa., Max Baucus, D-Mont., and Rob Portman, R-Ohio; Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., Xavier Becerra, D-Calif., Dave Camp, R-Mich., James Clyburn, D-S.C., Fred Upton, R-Mich. Their supervisors are Harry Reid, D-Nev., Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., John Boehner, R-Ohio.

    I'll get to work on Hensarling, though not from my district. Who's going to work in Nev, Wash, Cal, Ariz, Mont, where a considerable DN readership exists?

    It's time for a revolution. Since I doubt we have the stomach for violence anymore, the only way we are going to take back our country is to take power away from the old guard congress, and elect people who will vote in term limits and regulate lobbying.

    We hired them to do a job. If they don't do it, we fire them.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Nov. 22, 2011 3:51 p.m.

    Worf - where the heck did line number 4 come from? Lady Gaga? What the heck does that have to do with anything?

    But let me respond to your question. Lady Gaga, if she earned her money in the US, has very limited tools to avoid paying taxes on current year earning she has in the US.

    On the other hand, a company like Accenture, which is formerly known as Anderson Consulting (yes of Enron fame), changed its headquarters from the US, to Bermuda, then to Dublin Ireland to avoid paying corporate taxes. Does Accenture have any executives based in Dublin - no. Do they have a large corporate command and control infrastructure in Dublin - no. They essentially have a PO box. And by this, they get to avoid paying taxes.

    So, yes, it is more about US corporations that play custom crafted loop holes who don't pay taxes.

    But it is also about US based millionaires who try to hide their income too.

  • podunk utah DRAPER, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 3:31 p.m.

    Neither side ever intended to complete this assignment because both sides know that sticking their neck out on these cuts or even a mix of cuts and revenue increases is a losing proposition at the polls. which is a sad statement on the electorate, because many of us know that these ridiculous deficits cannot be good for the country in the long run, but the informed few will be overrun at the polls by the ignorant.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 22, 2011 3:25 p.m.

    m.g. scott

    Glad to see a republican can finally kind of admit that this mess started with the previous president. I don't like where things are going either, but right or wrong this president inherited a disaster and he is trying to stop the bleeding. All I have heard from the republicans as a their solution is to cut taxes for wealthy and cut the benefits for those receiving money through so called entitlement programs. I really don't think that is the solution either, but maybe at this time next year the American people will give them a chance to prove they are right. I hope since republicans get all offended when someone references the President Bush and the problems he left President Obama that they will take charge and solve the problems and will not reference the economy they inherited. When the republicans go to blame President Obama for their struggles, I would also remind them that only one President didn't run up a large debt under his watch, and that President was a Democrat, and he left the previous President a surplus. Just food for thought.

  • m.g. scott LAYTON, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 2:22 p.m.

    In the words of President Ronald Reagan, "There you go again"

    I looked under "Policy Difference Under Two Presidents" and it talked a lot about Herbert Hoover. Boy you must REALLY be "one old man."

    As for the Senate and fillibusters, that power really only came after the last election. For a while the Democrats had a 60 filabuster proof majority, until Sen. Kennedys passing. Until last election the Democrats had 59 including one Socialist (Sanders) and an independent (Libermann). But the Republicans had the Maine twins, who many times vote with the Dems.

    And maybe Bush doubled the debt, But what has Obama done. He has run more debt than all the previous presidents combined. I don't defend Bushs' economy, but we are NOT headed in the right direction with Obama.

  • Oldcoach Hurricane, 00
    Nov. 22, 2011 1:55 p.m.

    Casual Observer--

    Partly right. We should fund a trip, all right. A trip back home to try to get a job and earn a living in this economy that they have created. Talk about entitlement programs--Our senators and representatives have the biggest entitlement program in the nation--healthcare and salary for life. Do you get that? I sure don't. Let's put them on SS and Medicare and see what happens.

  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 1:16 p.m.

    We should fund a trip to Greece for our lawmakers. They need a dose of reality.

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 12:50 p.m.

    @Utter Nonsense: Thank you! Yes indeed the only way to fix the corrupt and broken federal government is to overhaul the entire governmental process through a new constitutional convention.

    Contact your state representatives... ask them to start calling for one.

    It only takes 34 states to call for a convention... and at last count we've got 26 suing the federal govt. over Obamacare. I'm sure those states would be on board for a convention... that means we really only need 8 more.

    With a Constitutional Convention we could get things that congress in its current state would never pass.

    1: A balanced budget amendment.
    2: Two term limits for all elected officials.
    3: Campaign reform.
    4: Affordable healthcare for everyone.
    5: Limits on defense and entitlement spending.
    6: A simplification of the tax code.
    7: Tie congressional pay to the mean salary of the represented district.

    The list goes on.

  • FDRfan safety dictates, ID
    Nov. 22, 2011 11:23 a.m.

    * we elect leaders who lie and cheat on their on their wives.

    It looks like the Republicans want to elect Gingrich.

  • JRJ Pocatello, ID
    Nov. 22, 2011 11:08 a.m.

    Who in their right mind thought that six Republicans and six Democrats could possibly find a middle ground? Not even the Supreme Court has a balanced number. We needed 13 average Americans who weren't influenced by power and money to sit down and simply say, "No more foreign aid. After all if there is no money in the bank, the check will bounce." From the looks of this blog, it is just name calling at its best....yet some more. We have enough money, just not enough sense in how to spend it. What part of 'No' does Washington not understand.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 10:57 a.m.

    *'Senate Republicans Block Defense Bill, 'Don't Ask Don't Tell' Repeal' - By MATTHEW JAFFE and DEVIN DWYER - ABC News - 09/21/10

    The Republican party does not care about you.

    It does not even care about national security. As, 9/11 happened DURING George W. Bush's watch. Not before.

    And last, the Republican party voted against the ENTIRE military Defense Bill...

    rather than allow openly gay service members.

    How is this part of 'national security??'

    Shut down the ENTIRE us military rather than allow LGBT into it?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 22, 2011 10:53 a.m.


    "It is dishonest and reaffirms the Republican assumption that Americans are stupid and easily tricked."

    -----Some reasons why Republicans are correct:---

    * we elect leaders who put us into a fifteen trillion dollar debt.

    * we elect a president with little knowledge of his past.

    * we elect leaders who lie and cheat on their on their wives.

    * we elect leaders who sign trade treaties and create regulations sending our companies and jobs to other countries.

    * we vote in a president who stirs anger amongst its people by creating blame.

    Doesn't appear our countries voting record is very good. Can you list ways the republicans are wrong? Are we a prosperous and united nation?

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Nov. 22, 2011 10:44 a.m.

    re:very concerned

    Democrats have a slim majority in the Senate--not enough to override filibusters which Republicans have used in abundance.

    Bush doubled the debt.
    Bush was still Pres. when Democrats took control of Congress in Jan 2007. What massive spending programs did they enact when Bush was Pres.? Tax cuts, Iraq War, Medicare Prescription Drug Plan all took place with Republicans voting in the majority.

    Debt under Obama has increased largely due to substantially decreased revenues and spending to stablize the bad economy, left to him by the previous administration.

  • Oldcoach Hurricane, 00
    Nov. 22, 2011 10:03 a.m.

    This is not the fault of Republicans nor Democrats--It's our fault. We keep returning these corrupt feeders-at-the-taxpayers trough year after year. It's time to clear the house of these nincompoops--of both parties. I swear to never vote for another encumbent again. Throw all the bums out!

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 9:51 a.m.

    m.g.scott, please Google "Policy Difference Under Two Presidents" and see what you find.

  • FDRfan safety dictates, ID
    Nov. 22, 2011 9:33 a.m.

    So taxing the rich may make you feel better, but it is not how our money problems will be fixed.

    I could use a little "feel better". At least it is something.

  • m.g. scott LAYTON, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 9:08 a.m.

    A broken record, but to all of you out there who seem to think it is the Republicans who got us here, remember recent history. The Democrats took total control of Congress in 2007. And it was not just a typical Democrat take over, but one led by the most liberal Democrats namely Pelosi and Reid. People for whom the terms "cut" or "stop spending" don't exist. Then the spending problem was doubled by the addition of Obama. The Republicans only got the House last year. So their responsibility for the debt is minimal.
    Bush never had this large of a dept. It's mostly the Democrats who spent us here. As for taxing the rich, add the numbers up. If you took ALL of the billions and millions held by the upper 10%, it would hardly touch the debt. So taxing the rich may make you feel better, but it is not how our money problems will be fixed.

  • FDRfan safety dictates, ID
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:57 a.m.

    Almost everyone expresses disgust with our broken government but look at what is happening with Newt Gingrich. He epitomizes all that is wrong with the way things work in Washington and the people who run it. His message is like saying "Yeah I'm the kingpin of the mafia and as such I know how to deal with it"

    I'm very disappointed with Romney's attack on Obama by "quoting" Obama's statement on not talking about the economy. It is dishonest and reaffirms the Republican assumption that Americans are stupid and easily tricked. Romney needs to clean house on some of his inept staff.

  • merich39 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:44 a.m.

    figures. could anyone have hoped for otherwise?

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:41 a.m.

    We all need to read Tom Brokaw's new book, "The Time of Our Lives." It's a very sober look at where we all need to go. The main message is that we need to return to being a nation in which everyone is willing to roll up our sleeves and join in pushing the wagon along.

    But there is one quote that stood out for me when I read it: "Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer and remove crabgrass from your lawn. The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it."

    So true. But until we all start sharing our parts of the load and learn to work together, there will be no solutions from anywhere.

    When we expect others -- anyone, and especially Congress or the President -- to do it for us, then we are going to fail. It's really that simple.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:33 a.m.

    a serious man,

    1. Defense creates many jobs.
    2. Why won't countries attack us?
    3. Cutting EPA, foriegn aid, and the Department of Education would save a ton.
    4. Is lady gaga and Obama greedy millionaires not paying their fair share or is it only business men?

  • CJ Murray, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:25 a.m.

    I have to agree with the title of a new book,, "Throw them all out". All they do is spend their time feathering their own nests with bribes, payoffs, insider stock deals, generous pensions, salaries, and exemptions from Obamacare (Democrats do this as well even though they passed this disaster)among other things. They are overpaid, underworked, and corrupt. Our ship is sinking while these people sit around politically posturing and scheming new ways to gain an advantage over each other. What is really surprising is that they have an approval rating of 9%, it should be lower.

  • BalancedFulfilledLife MISSOURI CITY, TX
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:21 a.m.

    "But McCain and Graham have been working on legislation that would undo the automatic defense reductions and instead impose a 5 percent across-the-board reduction in government spending combined with a 10 percent cut in pay for members of Congress."

    Now this is something about which I want to learn more. A Congressman actually proposing a cut in pay for himself and his colleagues for the good of the country. I am not a huge McCain fan, but if he is sincere on this one, I hope to read more about it. Why not add to that legislation that members of Congress past and present have no special health insurance privileges and/or exemptions? Eliminate legislation that creates the "ruling elite."

  • very concerned Sandy, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:13 a.m.

    re: Larry

    Larry's posting confuses me a little.

    First, There are two houses in congress, the House of Representatives (currently controlled by the Republicans), and the Senate (currently controlled by the Democrats). The Democrats controlled both houses till the elections of 2010. I don't think we can say that the GOP congress has failed. They only control one of the two houses, and that only recently. What I believe is that the lack of cooperation between the two houses/parties is the problem.

    Second, the policies mentioned in Larry's post seem (to me) to be those of the Democrats, not the Republicans. The blame or credit for the failure or success of those policies should rightly be attributed to the Democrats.

  • TemplarBlue CENTRAL, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:11 a.m.

    If these people worked for a company, they would all be fired! America should do the same! Incompetent do nothing congress.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:10 a.m.

    keep drinking yomama's kool aid. he displays NO leadership. yo, do the right thing and step down now so we can let the rebuilding process take place.

  • FDRfan safety dictates, ID
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:09 a.m.

    I watched Scrooge last night after watching Norquest on CNN. A perfect man to play the part of Scrooge before his life changing experiences. I can't fault a person for truly believing the typical Republican dogma but that doesn't seem to be the case at all. These Republicans are literally scared for their political lives of this man. They have literally become cowards who are dying a thousand deaths. Man up and do your duty.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:06 a.m.

    The department of defense is alive and well. They have overseas bases in Korea, South Pacific, South Africa, and Germany like it was 1967 and the sky is going to be full of nukes headed our way.

    There is only so much gullibility from the masses.

    General Don Arthur recently retired Navy general said there are over 900 ships, docks and large floating pieces that could easily be retired rather than maintained at a billion dollars annually and it would not hurt the navy in any way.

    I am guessing the pentagon is not going to be forthcoming with that information.

    Enough is enough with .40 of each dollar goes to maintain this war machine they have had enough of my money. The mindless war in Irag would have paid for better schools at home, university tuitions, and healthcare for the uninsured.

    When do we get to choose a better use for our tax funds?

    Aren't the people we elect supposed to listen to us?

  • IDC Boise, ID
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:03 a.m.

    "If you don't make cuts, these cuts are mandatory" - unless you don't make cuts and then we won't do anything.

    If someone is in debt and can't get out, do you just increase the credit limit on their credit cards do you? Do you give them more money? No, you have to stop spending money. Don't spend money you don't have. I am embarrassed with this countrys inability to manage it's finances. This is pathetic and embarrassing. Maybe we can hypnotize Congress to get them to stop spending money. The commercial says it helps people stop overeating and smoking.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:35 a.m.

    Remember the phrase by Rahm Emmanuel that "Don't let a crisis go to waste." If you don't have a crisis, the President invents one so he can blame the other side, whatever that side is. He pushed heavy-handed Obamacare and now that people are reading it after voting for it are deciding that it will break the 1/6 plus of the economy. This made up Super-Group was successful in "Don't let a crisis go to waste." Now we will have one-year prior to the election to play on words and deeds to make this crisis pervade the next year and for generations as the government will now have an excuse to take down the Department of Defense and other critical agencies related to our national defense.

  • KM Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:20 a.m.

    I look down the faces on the photo and see such illuminaries as John Kerry and realize that this was a scam from the get go. Why don't we just throw the bill over the White House fence like he threw his dog tags?

  • a serious man Rexburg, ID
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:12 a.m.

    Go ahead and cut defense. The original cuts were not deep enough there anyway. And no, countries will not suddenly try to invade the USA, despite fear mongering from the dogs of war.

  • dave4197 Redding, CA
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:03 a.m.

    The failure of this committee to do its job must be remembered at the voting booth next fall. This failure must not be clouded, in the meantime, by likely unsuccessful attempts/excuses to stop the automatic cuts or to otherwise soften the face of the real problem. The real problem being too many middle and upper class earners don't want to pay for their gov't services, and they appear to want to unload what they pay to help the poor.
    In my voting booth, I will vote for those who cut the military to the bone, defend our obligation to help the poor, and continue a progressive tax rate system.
    Our military is long overdue to close our European and Pacific bases. Our military needs to be culled of lifers and return to jobs in an economy that's more butter than guns.
    The poor need skills training, but some poor just need help all the time.
    Our tax system doesn't need a flat rate with no deductions, but we do need to re-argue each deduction and we do need to redistribute the income, I liked reading about Robin Hood as a child, it now needs to happen.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 6:49 a.m.

    The conservative right cannot govern, only demand and posture until they take power. Then they can do another Bush Administration.

  • Larry Willard, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 6:04 a.m.

    So, The GOP thinks they know what is needed.
    The GOP Congress has failed and has no plan to move ahead, Not concerned about the People needing a JOB.
    All of the free money we received is now lost and can not be re captured.
    That was a good idea and could have worked if people would have spent it to activate the Factorys to start Manufacturing.
    Ford and GM have now been saved for the short fkix.

  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    Nov. 22, 2011 4:22 a.m.

    I think it's time the American people vote some of these politicians out of office and cut their severance package as part of the budget cuts and send them back into the private sector to earn a living!!!