Could bad deal mean end to Jazz in Utah?

Small-market NBA teams facing tough times

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  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    Nov. 24, 2011 1:59 a.m.

    @Large Tuna

    im sorry buddy but the Spurs got Lucky...their bad season without them Duncan...if Robinson didnt have that injury...they would never win a title...sometimes you need those sure fire draft picks to win one...and that guy is loyal enough to stay...the reason why LA Clippers is not folding...its because of the sponsorship...the TV deals...available in LA...its not the same in Utah or Milwaukee or in Cleveland...i would still watch...since im not paying anything to watch because im not in the i just watch it on the tube...but without the NBA its fine by me...but i still want the Jazz to win lots of championships...but as long as there arent any games...i'd do the normal stuff that i do...there's lots of things to do in this world anyway...

  • Bob Loblaw Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 8:34 a.m.

    Why is DesNews not approving my comments? I didn't use any bad words and I didn't say anything that isn't true. The fact of the matter is, the Millers have seriously looked into moving the team to Las Vegas and they have also had talks to sell the team to a couple that wanted to keep the Jazz in Utah. Where they stand now, I don't know. But there is no question the team is a money pit and Greg is not passionate about it like his dad was. Heck, he hardly ever even came to games until his dad actually died. I'm sure the powers that be at DesNews don't want people to know this though so they will censor this one as well. Weak.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 21, 2011 9:46 p.m.

    The sport is too big time for Utah.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Nov. 21, 2011 9:24 p.m.

    To the people who say Utahns can't afford Jazz tickets so we should send them to a city who can: get real and quit being so melodramatic.

    There are only 19,000 seats in the ESA. There are nearly 2 million people along the Wasatch front. Something tells me that economic issues won't be a problem when it comes to filling the arena. It's about wins. You win, people will come. You lose, they won't.

    I seriously doubt the Jazz are going anywhere. However, that's what Brooklyn thought about the Dodgers in 1957. Anything is possible I guess.

  • terra nova Park City, UT
    Nov. 21, 2011 8:39 p.m.

    If the Miller's cannot book a profit, they should sell. It is more fun to watch kids that really care play for their high schools and colleges.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Nov. 21, 2011 8:27 p.m.

    @ J-TX | 9:48 a.m. Nov. 21, 2011

    The NBA has the best athletes in the world? Really? 4 words: Michael Jordan Curve ball.

    There are like 3 NBA games a week. Heck, even MLB plays 5 to 6 times per week.

    No way is the NBA as physically demanding and stressful as the NFL.

    As much as I detest DeSean Jackson now & Deion Sanders back in the day, their diva-like antics pale in comparison to the average NBA players.

    As for your listing of Hockey scores, you could easily be describing 2 or 3 soccer games with your listing of scores. At least, in the NHL, you can hit people. Soccer is like remedial outdoor hockey @ 1/2 speed.

  • Portland Trail Blazers Sandy, UT
    Nov. 21, 2011 12:31 p.m.

    I would love to see the Jazz fold or for them to leave SLC and move to Seattle.

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    Nov. 21, 2011 12:28 p.m.

    Call in the scabs!

    There is no shortage of skilled basketball players in this nation. I'll wager that you could find enough good players to field all the teams and then some for $50,000 a piece... little lone millions.

  • HugMe Logan, UT
    Nov. 21, 2011 12:11 p.m.

    LivinLarge, I don't know if you intended to, but you just stated everything that is wrong in the NBA. The large market teams have an incredible advantage over small market teams. Small market teams don't have much of a chance to keep the "stars" of the league let alone trying to get one via free agency.

    I am not sure what will end up happening with the Jazz and the NBA. The Jazz have done pretty well considering the disadvantages against small market teams. I hope they stay in Utah with the Millers owning them.

    However, with no NBA, I have saved some money and have really been enjoying the NFL and college football and basketball. Life is good.

  • chase SL Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 21, 2011 12:04 p.m.


    The Jazz are going nowhere, they're staying right here in SLC. Most teams in the NBA have turned-in sluggish income statements the past few years, the latest CBA was terrible. The NBA won't settle on business as usual. On top of that, the Jazz have mismanaged their salary cap a little the past 2 years, they have already fixed that (thank you AK).

    The future appears strong. We have a ton of good players, and an amazing fan base.

    I repeat, the Jazz are going nowhere.

  • LivinLarge Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 21, 2011 11:43 a.m.

    The only reason I go to Jazz games, 5 or 6 a year, is to see the talent from the other NBA teams. The Utah Jazz really is a backwater NBA town and never will have the horsepower of the Lakers, Heat, Celtics, etc. Franchises like the Jazz will really take a huge hit if the season is cancelled, HUGE!

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 21, 2011 11:23 a.m.

    I used to like the NBA but no more. Too many guys who came right out of high school and were paid 100 million right out of the gate. Unsustainable. Also if you notice the NBA has less and less who can actually shoot the ball anymore. Most players are just dunkers with big shoe contracts. Jimmer will be a throw back to the better days of the NBA. I have no interest in watching regular season games anymore and really don't even tune in until the later playoff rounds. Games are way too expensive and there aren't any great players anymore. I can't see the NBA coming out of this lost season on any sort of positive note.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Nov. 21, 2011 11:13 a.m.

    NBA basketball is boring, period. There is no team concept. They came up with the defensive three second rule so you can't play a true zone defense. The college game is exciting, and teams have to be strong in all level of the games. There are no hack-a-shaq rules made to protect a star's weakness, and they don't make eight players on the court a sideshow to the main attraction of a one-on-one matchup.

    I submit to you that life would be so much better without the Jazz. There would be a lot more attendance at college games. Youngsters would see technically sound basketball. We wouldn't have many players declining to play on the Olympic team. After the new rules, small market teams will be doomed to fail anyway. Increasing prices with decreasing performance, only a matter of time before fans stop going.

    I agree with IMAN. Make a bid for the Jacksonville Jaguars and the Phoenix Coyotes. Those are some entertaining sports. I can't respect a sport that plays music by Nu Shooz during live action. I'd rather watch curling than the NBA--SERIOUSLY.

  • Sneaky Jimmy Bay Area, CA
    Nov. 21, 2011 10:49 a.m.

    Checketts was the guy that said the lock-out was over they had an agreement. I wouldn't put too much stock in his ability to predict who will do what.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    Nov. 21, 2011 10:41 a.m.

    I could care less about the over-paid school yard boys playing basketball and making their millions, but I do not want the Millers hurt.

    The Millers have done more for the State of Utah in the past decade or so than any other person or organization. They are a pillar of humanity in our state and for their sake I hope that do not find them in a position of having to sell the team, but if they do, my respect will still remain the same. Which is more than I have for the self-serving players.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Nov. 21, 2011 9:48 a.m.

    IMAN said, "Utah should do everything they can to get NFL and NHL franchises. Both sports are far more exciting and the display of athletisism in those sports greatly exceeds basketball."

    Let's take these one at a time:
    Utah should do everything they can to get NFL and NHL franchises. Too small to support NFL. NHL maybe would survive, but let me ask - do you have minor league hockey that is thriving? In big markets, not only do the major sports all thrive (look at Dallas), but their suburbs support minor league teams. Our small town of 55K population has both arena FB and minor league hockey.

    Both sports are far more exciting (yeah, NOT. Waiting 30-45 seconds in-between 7-second segments of action in the NFL cannot compare to the fast-paced high-flying scoring in the NBA. In Hockey, with final scores like 1-0, 2-1, 2-0, it's a yawn-fest.) and the display of athletisism in those sports greatly exceeds basketball. (NBA has the best atheletes in the world. even bench players can run for hours and jump 11 feet high to dunk. NFL players would die if they ran like that.)

  • AZRods Maricopa, AZ
    Nov. 21, 2011 9:24 a.m.

    bravesirsparrow, you always crack me up. You bash Jazz fans for their "vitrio", for pent up anger? It's called passion my son.
    You really need to get out and attend a few games back east.
    It's a big world out there sonny!

  • AFCoug Colorado Springs, CO
    Nov. 21, 2011 9:12 a.m.

    The players getting 57% BRI (tickets, TV, concessions, etc) is a foul. What is a bigger foul though is calling 57% of that go to players and allowing large market teams to keep much of that BRI while not distributing it evenly. It's like saying the players get 57%, big markets get 35%, small markets get the remaining 8% to compete. It needs fixing and as much as I would love to see the Jazz play again, I'll miss a season to see a fair system installed.

  • Old Timer the boonies, mexico
    Nov. 21, 2011 9:12 a.m.

    Hopefully TV networks here in Utah will do everything possible to televise all major college remaining football and all of the basketball season. Then I and many others will get their fix for sports and the NBA greeds can argue and fight until the 2nd coming of you know who for all I am concerned. Accept NFL like contracts NBA or your days of financial successes are toast. This whole guarantee "everything" for the players, agents, media and owners leaving out the payee(the public) will kill the goose that laid that golden egg!

  • AFCoug Colorado Springs, CO
    Nov. 21, 2011 9:07 a.m.

    I already miss the Jazz and agree with this article that the system is completly broken for small market teams. People say the Jazz enter into bad contracts, what they do not realize is that NBA small markets have to overpay in almost all cases in order to keep anyone that develops into a star. The Jazz have made trades in the past where the player has refused to even show up! They are at a disadvantage finacially but also geograhically to big city teams. NBA players usually come from these big cities and want to return to them so brush off the teams that draft them. Some critics point to teams like Chicago that did not pay as much as the Jazz did last year but went deep into the playoffs. D-Rose however is still on his rookie contract adn will command a max contract in the near future. Several other on their team will be in a similiar situation.

    Revenue sharing would go a long way (in this I agree with the players). It the Lakers had to split %50 of their $3B TV deal with small market teams they would over spend far less.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Nov. 21, 2011 9:06 a.m.

    My only concern when the Jazz are gone (either by extinction of the NBA or sale of the team) is where will Jazz fans go to release all that pent-up anger? Seriously, in my entire life I've never heard so much vitriol spewed en masse as I've heard at Jazz games. I've been to NBA games in many other cities and it's not half as bad as it is here. All you Jazz fans will have to go somewhere else to act like spoiled children and say/do things you would never do by yourselves.

  • D'Anconia Providence, UT
    Nov. 21, 2011 9:05 a.m.

    I have a question for all you whiners who are complaining about the possibility of the Jazz leaving Utah. How did the Jazz get to Utah in the first place?

  • SnipeHookyoFace Farmington, UT
    Nov. 21, 2011 9:02 a.m.

    With these ridiculous contracts the players want, sell the organization and bring in an NFL team!

  • Tyler Ray Taylorsville, UT
    Nov. 21, 2011 9:00 a.m.

    Lds liberal, yeah right. Checketts knows more than you and he says the millers won't sell. And even if they did there are a lot of potential buyers who would keep the team in utah

  • Kami Bountiful, Utah
    Nov. 21, 2011 8:55 a.m.

    Just wondering. If your home in Utah is in foreclosure and/or if you are up to your eyeballs in debt, if your don't have food storage, if you don't have savings, if you are wondering how you are going to get the money to pay for Christmas, etc., is it OK to purchase tickets to the Jazz games? I really think that many Utahans cannot afford the games anyway, so send the team to a City that can, if there is such a city in today's economy.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 21, 2011 8:52 a.m.

    To the owners and players, It's all about the $$$
    It's a business and a job to them.

    Fans are the only one's who "feel" any sense of loyalty.

    Trust me,
    The fans in Seattle wanted the Sonics to stay there,
    by the owners got alot more money moving the franchise to Oklahoma.

    Follow the money --
    The Jazz in Utah will be gone.

    Besides --
    That's business,
    Free Market,
    and Capitalism....everything Utahns say they support....loyalty and good of the fans and the local economy be darned.

  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    Nov. 21, 2011 8:27 a.m.

    NBA is as good as gone if they don't settle their differences. Time for Utah to look for an alternative!!!

  • redcliffs Ivins, Utah
    Nov. 21, 2011 8:02 a.m.

    "Most fans polled nationally could care less if the NBA folds".

    Where are you getting that statistic? I know there are fair weather fans in every sport but true NBA fans like me do not want the NBA to fold. Many fans are upset with the lockout and have issues with both player and owner greed in this lockout, but are hopeful that things will get resolved so our teams can get back on the floor.

    To state that both NHL and NFL are more exciting is just your opinion. While I would love to have an NFL team in Utah that is probably not going to happen in my lifetime, and I could care less about NHL ( that is my opinion only too).

    I can sit this year out watching NBA games if it will truely help the smaller market teams in the future, but I for one want the game back again as soon as possible.

  • ThatsSoUtah Fredericksburg, VA
    Nov. 21, 2011 7:42 a.m.


    I agree with you for the most part, however, if the team didn't go into the tax range so much, would they get as many fans? This year is a bad example, as the newer deals were bad deals. The Jazz had to try something to win and get Williams to stay, but that just didn't work out at all. At least AK's contract is freed up. Maybe the Jazz can get him back for a good deal and get rid of a couple of other contracts to get under the cap. After that, hopefully the new guys on the team from the dwill trade last season and the new drafts can make something happen to generate fan interest and give the team a positive outlook. The team has a good base, just a few bad deals are killing the profits.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    Nov. 21, 2011 7:33 a.m.


    Speak for yourself. I can't watch the NFL or NHL as it is. I want Basketball. Those other sports can fold and die.

  • IMAN Marlborough, MA
    Nov. 21, 2011 7:25 a.m.

    This is terrible writing. The story starts off based ona false premise.

    "The ongoing NBA lockout situation presents a dilemma for the Utah Jazz and their fans.
    Everybody wants basketball to be played, not delayed by a labor mess."

    This is a flat out inaccuracy. Most sports fans polled nationally could care less if the NBA folds. If the NBA somehow survives this "labor" dispute(doubful) and the Jazz get sold it's simply the free market in action. Utah should do everything they can to get NFL and NHL franchises. Both sports are far more exciting and the display of athletisism in those sports greatly exceeds basketball. Sports fans in UT. would forget about basketball in a hurry if they had those two great professional sports to watch.

  • romorg PROVO, UT
    Nov. 21, 2011 3:16 a.m.

    Claiming that the Millers will sell because they lost 17 mil last year is ridiculous. They lost 17 mil because they chose to extend Memo's contract for two years at over 10 mil per year and they gave Raja over three mil per year for three years. Those were both very stupid moves. Memo was clearly sliding before that extension and he's a center that doesn't play in the post or defend. Raja hadn't done anything in years and it was insane to give in to his demands for a three year contract.

    Forget the AK contract (decision made years ago), just the Memo and Raja deals cost about 14 mil per year. Then add to that the matching money the Jazz had to pay over the cap and the money they would have received for being under and you have profitability. The Jazz willingly went over the cap with a full knowledge of what it meant to their bottom line.

    Why would the Millers sell when they can so easily turn a profit if they so desire?

  • Brian Wasilla, AK
    Nov. 21, 2011 12:51 a.m.

    Sounds like the hand the NBA dealt them was already a bad deal!

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    Nov. 20, 2011 11:45 p.m.

    Personally, I think it's time for the NBA to hire Replacement Players and bring back any former NBA players who are willing to play under the new rules.

    After all, who else is going to pay them an average of $5 million dollars a year to play a game?