Who has best offensive coordinator?

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  • I Still Can't Say It Holladay, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 7:48 p.m.

    A silly column on a pointless debate. Which offensive coordinator is proven over time with multiple conference and national championships?

    There's the answer to your ridiculous question Mr. Harmon.

  • jls Sandy, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 7:24 p.m.

    Stupid article. Flawed premise. Let them coach the same team in the same situations and maybe we can venture a guess. Based on history, Chow has proven himself. If you can't think of a reasonable subject to write about, you need a "bye" week.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Nov. 6, 2011 10:55 a.m.

    Another factor is "who has the best supporting cast?"

    If you play offense for Utah, you better be sending "thank you" cards on a regular basis to the Defense and Special Teams for bailing you out.

    If you play offense for Utah State, you're only sending the "thank you" cards through the first three quarters. In the forth quarter you send them nasty notes with postage due.

    If you play offense for BYU, you're sending "thank you" notes to the "D" but more recently you're sending helpful hints to Special Teams on how to transfer to another school.

  • uteowl Sunnyvale, CA
    Nov. 6, 2011 1:01 a.m.

    "Arizona 17, Utah 14: I don't' think John White can carry the offense on the road against the Wildcats, who have a legit QB in Nick Foles."

    Uh, wrong again Gordo. 34 - 21 UTAH wins.

  • Aggie238 Logan, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 12:40 a.m.

    In addition to my last comment, and as an example, when you are down a score in the 4th quarter on 3rd and 1 or 4th and inches with little time on the clock, if anyone not wearing the number 6 is getting the ball you are calling the wrong play.

  • Aggie238 Logan, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 12:34 a.m.


    Actually, the Fire Baldwin Bandwagon here at USU is picking up a nice head of steam and is rolling along with quite a bit of momentum. He's not totally bad, but it's like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, and unfortunately Mr. Hyde has the habit of showing up at the most inopportune times (like the 4th quarter of close games). Fact is, with the offensive tools Baldwin has at his disposal, the Aggies should be 6-1 right now or maybe 5-2 at worst, if he would actually call 4 quarters of hard-nosed, D-1 football. Harmon here incorrectly assesses the losses to USU's defense, which is technically true I suppose, but without giving the defense a total pass it's worth some serious discussion that they certainly aren't getting any favors from the offense.

  • UgottaloveMaxie Murray, UT
    Nov. 5, 2011 11:42 p.m.

    this article, and the Doman > Chow comments are hilarious. seriously?! You all need to know that pretty much every coach gets let go before leaving. Happens to the best of them. Chow is easily the superior. that's like saying that an older honda is not as good as a newer kia. oh, and a kia that can't go faster than 40 mph. byu's success would be the same regardless of the OC. Name one game they won that they wouldn't have won without Doman?

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Nov. 5, 2011 11:22 p.m.

    Tell Dick that the Utes will be bowl eligible soon enough, best case scenario 8-4, which even if the Y makes it 9-3 means a lot more because of the tougher schedule and of course the 54-10 win head to head at LES.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 5, 2011 11:16 p.m.

    When I first read this I thought .. only Dick Harmon could say Brandon Domains name in the same sentence as Norm Chows'! After watching the University of Utah defeat favored Arizona tonignt as a result of a superior game plan I thought again...ask this question 20 years from now IF Domain has also become a legion!

    Nov. 5, 2011 11:12 p.m.

    I would give the award to USU's OC. It's not his fault that their defense blows things for them at the end of the game.

    Doman is inept and BYU is in trouble. They have lost games this year, they could have won. Doman doesn't seem to be able to develop Heaps in this "new exciting and more creative offense." If Nelson gets hurt, then BYU is in trouble. It's only a matter of time. Actually the coaches at BYU should all be working at Snow College rather than a D1 program.

    Chow is a good coach but hasn't had much to work with in Hays, but the Utes will get better with more experience and depth at QB.This year my vote goes to Baldwin.

  • BluCoug Provo, UT
    Nov. 5, 2011 8:41 p.m.

    "Chow has been measured and found wanting by too many teams."

    You mean let go by to many teams...

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Nov. 5, 2011 7:09 p.m.

    Boise beat Georgia 35-21, thank goodness BYU didn't get them on the schedule but got those other two scrub Gem state teams to play.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Nov. 5, 2011 5:38 p.m.

    Well... Doman did coach up a top ranked high school QB right to the bench... and his offense did score a jaw dropping 10 points on Utah.... so I'd say Doman is the best offensive coordinator... right Dick?

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    Nov. 5, 2011 5:29 p.m.

    He's always calling for Bronco's job. What's the deal with that?!

  • There's always room for Jello Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 5, 2011 5:18 p.m.

    @ In Stitches

    You have definitely sleuthed that one out. (Not that it was hard).

  • In Stitches Provo, Utah
    Nov. 5, 2011 5:11 p.m.

    "Uncle Rico" "Please fire Bronco" = Hedgehog

    You're not fooling anyone....

    Your animosity towards Coach Mendenhall always gives you away.

  • Love the Utes SANDY, UT
    Nov. 5, 2011 4:58 p.m.

    "Who has the best offensive coordinator?" The answer is Eric Kjar - Jordan High School.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 5, 2011 4:55 p.m.

    Doman is too young in his career to judge. Chow has been measured and found wanting by too many teams.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 5, 2011 4:33 p.m.

    Maybe the question could be settled a different way... who would you fire?

    The calls to fire Doman have settled down since the Cougars have hit the high school level of their schedule, but there were quite a few Cougar fans saying "fire Doman" last month.

    Haven't heard any "fire Chow" calls from Ute fans.

    Haven't heard any "fire Baldwin" calls from Aggies.

  • Juggernaut Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 5, 2011 3:32 p.m.

    Good call dude, especially when they lost in a head to head battle by quite a bit if I recall. Not my favorite article to be honest.

    Nov. 5, 2011 2:52 p.m.

    Hatch and So. Cal-

    I'll give you both a mulligan. Chow has, by far, done the most with the least, and he has done it against better teams than WAC teams(whom both BYU and USU play weekly). Just take a minute to think about how good Utah State or BYU would do if you took out their starting quarterbacks (and replaced them with Jon Hayes), depleted half of their offensive lines, and remove their top offensive playmaking wide receiver. Then go ahead and have them play Utah's schedule. I'm thinking they average 7 points a game and have a record of 1-7.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Nov. 5, 2011 1:04 p.m.

    Doman outperformed chow? What are you talking about So. Cal Reader?

    He sure did in the head to head game, oh wait BYU only scored 1 TD. Lost by 44.

    BYU may have better numbers in a lot of games, but when you are playing WAC teams weak in and out, and then throw in a horrible Idaho State team.

    BYU is 0-3 in real games. Only scored 4 combined offensive TDs in those games. Great job Doman!!

  • Hatch Sandy, UT
    Nov. 5, 2011 1:03 p.m.

    Dave Baldwin has done the most with the least. Norm Chow is good but he is over paid on a team that is not getting paid. Doman is learnig which is why the best prospect in BYU history is on the bench. I think logic favors Baldwin.

  • So. Cal Reader Escondido, CA
    Nov. 5, 2011 12:54 p.m.

    There's no doubt that Doman has outperformed Chow thus far this season. And here I read repeatedly that Chow was going to be the savior of the Utes offensive scheme. Sorry, haven't seen it. In fact, haven't seen it from Chow since he left my alma mater USC. The next question begging to be asked is "has the game passed him by?" Compare the stats over the past 5-6 years. The numbers dont lie.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Nov. 5, 2011 12:33 p.m.

    Dear Mr. Harmon,

    Please take not of the Georgia vs New Mexico halftime score. Georgia is winning 49-3 at the half over New Mexico State.

    We all know that in 3 weeks when BYU plays New Mexico State and scores 30 points, you will claim that Doman is the coach of the year. That the offense was clicking on all cylinders. Just remember that New Mexico State is a horrible team. Incorporate this idea before you write the article about the New Mexico State at BYU game.

    That is all.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Nov. 5, 2011 12:28 p.m.

    It's sort of like asking who is smarter, Larry, Curly, or Moe. It's very hard to make that decision when you can't base it on results. Clearly, no one stands out. I guess that you would have to base it on pay in which case Norm would win.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Nov. 5, 2011 11:12 a.m.


    Agreed with your assessment of Bronco and Doman needing to develop Heaps as well as the entire offense... but Anae doesn't belong on that list and in all fairness to Doman he's a rookie...and not a Doug Scovil...who was BYU's other one time master OC.

  • BYU#1 Provo, UT
    Nov. 5, 2011 10:37 a.m.

    My bad. I listed 4 OCs.

  • BYU#1 Provo, UT
    Nov. 5, 2011 10:35 a.m.

    I'm a BYU fan and here is my list of the top 3 OCs.

    1. Baldwin
    2. Chow
    3. Anae
    4. Doman

    If Doman and Bronco can't develop Heaps then BYU is in big trouble for the next 3-4 yrs.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Nov. 5, 2011 10:18 a.m.

    Ernest...get real...You're embarrassing

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 5, 2011 10:04 a.m.

    The best:

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Nov. 5, 2011 9:25 a.m.

    If Doman somehow does become a good offensive coordinator, BYU will run him out of town at that point.

    Norm Chow (won 2 National Titles at USC after BYU forced him out),
    Gary Crowton (won a BCS title as O-Coordinator at LSU after BYU fired him), Robert Anae (only been 1 year since Bronco thought Doman was better than him)

  • Bronco=BYU versionOf Ron Mcbride Orem, UT
    Nov. 5, 2011 9:18 a.m.

    1 TD vs Utah
    1 TD vs Texas
    2 offensive TDs vs TCU (TCUs defense is not what it was they gave up 50 points to Baylor and 40 points to SMU).

    4 total TDs in 3 biggest games. Looks like someone isn't nearly as good as Harmon claims.

    Doman looks completely lost. He couldn't figure out who to start at QB, and he doesn't even know if he should coach from sideline or in box.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Nov. 5, 2011 9:02 a.m.

    I'm all for Doaman becoming a great offensive mind...but let's get real...it's not going to be in the immediate near future...and Chow...well regardless of what people think of him...he's still the Master... and will remain so for at least the present until someone totally equals or surpasses the great acheivements he's made throughout his long career as an offensive genius. Right now I think Chow has done more with far less talent at Utah than what Doman has accomplished with far greater talent...but then again he's just a rookie.

    Rise and Shout

  • daddman54 FARMINGTON, UT
    Nov. 5, 2011 8:44 a.m.

    Dick..... really, is this all you got?

  • nothegame Saratoga Springs, UT
    Nov. 5, 2011 8:43 a.m.

    What might have been said is which offense is the hardest to prepare for. As a defense coordinator i would put it this way. 1 USU. 2 SUU,3 BYU 4 Utah 5 WSU.

  • Magic Happens Kaysville, UT
    Nov. 5, 2011 8:31 a.m.

    Dick, before you even speculate about BYU's ability to beat a "very, very good team" how about they beat a very good team or even a good team. They have yet to do that. And Utah'95's last comment is the best statement of these posts or in the article,

    "Be honest - if you were a head football coach and you had the choice of the three, who would you take?"

  • The Dixie Kid Saint George, UT
    Nov. 5, 2011 8:07 a.m.

    I don't remember that day in fall camp being talked about, when Bronco unleashed his blitz and it all fell apart. Anyway, comparing these 3 coordinators to each other is apples to oranges.

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 5, 2011 7:59 a.m.

    I'd take Chow. He's always been a class act and has a proven tack record. I always felt he got a raw deal at the Y and deserved better.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Nov. 5, 2011 6:58 a.m.


    Here's wiki's answer to your question:

    "Chow won the 2002 Broyles Award as the nation's top collegiate assistant coach. He also was named the 2002 NCAA Division I-A Offensive Coordinator of the Year by American Football Monthly and was named the National Assistant Coach of the Year in 1999 by the American Football Foundation. He is known for developing quarterbacks such as Jim McMahon, Steve Young, Ty Detmer, Philip Rivers, Carson Palmer, and Matt Leinart."

    He may not impress you, but he obviously impresses enough people who make football decisions for a living to give him the Broyles Award.

    Does he still have anything in the tank - I believe so, but we'll see.

    Be honest - if you were a head football coach and you had the choice of the three, who would you take?

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    Nov. 5, 2011 5:29 a.m.

    What a pointless article.
    Didn't doman and chow go head to head before wynn was injured?
    Oh, wait, that isn't a Fair comparison because it was át the cougs home field.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 4, 2011 11:12 p.m.

    Perhaps the most difficult coaching challenge for Coach Bronco is now. Somehow he must keep his players positive and interested in football in the month of November. BYUs schedule is two games in November against the lowest level of WAC teams. All this when rivalry games are being played and conference championships determined. Is this what he promised his recruits? Is this why they choose BYU? I hope not. Probably they committed because of the future possibilities. Yet next year promises to be the same. Three to four highly regarded opponents in a twelve game schedule with an almost certain little regarded bowl game assured.

  • Please Fire Bronco Provo, UT
    Nov. 4, 2011 10:05 p.m.

    Now if only BYU only had a good defensive coordinator...

  • LoveTheRockyMtns Orem, UT
    Nov. 4, 2011 10:00 p.m.

    Harmon, have you ever considered strength of schedule?

    Yes, Doman has the most wins, but who has he beaten?

    Brent Vigan (offensive coordinator at North Dakota State) must be a better offensive coordinator that Steve Spurrier (offensive coordinator at South Carolina).

    North Dakota State is 8-0, while South Carolina is 7-1.

    Hurricane High School must have the best offensive coordinator in the state, as they are 11-0. BYU should consider hiring Hurricane's offensive coordinator as their own, he hasn't lost all year.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Nov. 4, 2011 9:44 p.m.

    "BYU's rookie offensive coordinator Doman is the only one with a bowl-eligible team at 6-3."

    Dick he hasn't even beaten a team with a winning record. Maybe BYU should join the Big Sky Conference. They would end up with a better strength of schedule than they have now.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 4, 2011 9:30 p.m.

    Dick, It must be a slow day in the sports world to have written an article like this.

    Go Cougars!

  • nunya sacramento, ca
    Nov. 4, 2011 8:29 p.m.

    all i know is that there is a reason why chowe is no longer coaching at those so called big schools and in the nfl for that matter. seriously, what's he ever done? doman is way over his head and is pathetic as well but since he's new, i'm willing to give him some time to grow....as for the usu guy....ummmm, wish he would get some help from anderson...the guys out of his own so to speak.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 4, 2011 8:29 p.m.

    How good is this byu offense?

    So good that the Pac 12 and big 12 are still fighting over who gets them.