Occupy movement is largely secular

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  • Kirk R Graves West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 7:23 p.m.

    3. I have a hard time seeing televangelists as religion. I think we can place them on the same shelf as the worst examples of corporate greed, not religion. If you want to spot a true religion, use Christ's example (feed the poor, clothe the naked, etc..) there are plenty of those out there. Mostly they quietly do their good deeds without a lot of fanfair.
    4. It strikes me as funny that you assume that the "front lines" are just the laborers. The real front-lines are the small to mid-sized business owners that are risking it all and creating jobs in the process.
    4a. If someone has educated themselves (availble to all btw), and are willing to work hard, there are still plenty of opportunities for all in this country.

  • Social Mod Fiscal Con West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 5:18 p.m.

    This will take a while, so bear with me.
    1. I don't even know where to start. The biggest complaint the OWS have is bailouts. Isn't that something for nothing. How about an extension from 9mo to 2yrs on unemployment. Isn't that something for nothing? How about $482b in welfare in 2011. That is definitely something for nothing. If you want antecdotal evidence, just start reading OWS coverage.
    2. Your fiscal value is not based on what you Could produce, but what you actually DO produce. If someone wants to start a business, take the risk involved, work 80+ hours a week for 5 years before seeing a positive cash flow, then start hiring others to do some of the work, they have created value. Shouldn't they see a return on their investment?
    On the other hand, if someone wants to play it safe, get a job, work for someone else. Why is it so bad that some of the value they create rewards the guy that started the company, that risked and labored to create the job the second guy works at?

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 1:27 p.m.

    @Social Mod Fiscal Con;

    I keep hearing that people want something for nothing; they don't want to work for it. Please show me these people.

    I see a group of people fed up with the system that rewards those at the top with ALL the proceeds from the labors of those at the bottom, leaving those at the bottom struggling to make ends meet.

    I see religions supporting the elite at the top (look at Eddie Long and the various other televangelists making out like bandits themselves for examples). These religions aren't helping the poor, they're sucking the lifeblood out of those who REALLY want to help the poor.

    The people working on the front-lines deserve to partake of the bounty their efforts generate. Corporations are STILL posting record profits and yet those who are doing the work are losing their homes and ending up on the streets because they can't afford the very products they produce.

  • Unwell Canton, MA
    Nov. 2, 2011 12:35 p.m.

    I'm nonreligious and more left leaning than right in a lot of matters, but these people are just disorganized and a bit loony in my opinion. They congregate together and demand change but don't have any clear cut plans in place, nothing to actually demand. They're just angry and camping out. Perhaps using those college degrees you worked so hard for and coming up with actual strategies is a better way to protest injustices you are seeing? And I'm sorry, for those Occupiers that are comparing yourselves to Tiananmen Square protesters and the like? Not even close.

  • Social Mod Fiscal Con West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 12:00 p.m.

    RanchHand | 7:17 a.m. Nov. 2, 2011
    Or, perhaps the religious of this country dont really support the stupidity on Wall Street or the stupidity of OWS.
    Neither Wall Street with it's "money at all costs" mentallity, nor OWS with it's "give me what I don't want to work for" mentality appeal to a group of people that follow a philosophy that teaches self-reliance AND caring for the poor. Somewhere in the middle is a solution that provides real opportunity to those willing to work for it and at the same time doesn't leave behind those that are not able to provide for themselves.
    The challenge of that middle ground is that there are too many people who ARE capable of caring for themselves who have convinced themselves that they aren't.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 7:17 a.m.

    Where are the organized religions?

    They've aligned themselves with the Corporate Elite, that is where they are, and that is why you don't see them at the Occupy movements.

    Religion is about money and power these days. Talk about your "money changers". I suspect that if Jesus were here today, he'd be throwing these Organized Religions out of the temples.

  • als Atheist Provo, UT
    Nov. 1, 2011 6:41 p.m.

    "the progressive agnostic and atheistic brothers and sisters"

    Well, I don't consider myself politically "liberal" (progressive seems to be a code word for liberal), but I don't mind being included as a "brother or sister" of other nonbelievers.

    It is high time we organized and systematically defended our liberties and represented our views in this religion-dominated society.

    If you don't like the nonbelievers... just wait. You ain't seen nothin' yet!