GOP rivals focus on flat taxes, government

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  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 4:20 p.m.

    A flat tax is just a tax decrease for the rich. If taxes are to be decreased, shouldn't they be decreased for all people? Why just the rich?

  • rogerdpack2 Orem, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 3:59 p.m.

    Wow Ron Paul would do away with income tax! I like this!

  • Denys Picard near montreal, QC
    Oct. 31, 2011 2:29 p.m.

    It is so sad seeing a whole spectrum of leadership locked in greediness, and be as self-deceptive as believing they love their fellow citizens. To see the Romney's, Huntmann's, Gingritch's and all the others hold a straight face when wimping for "fairness" when addressing tax issues. They are the true sign that there is no Salvation near for the USA. They are killing it. They are plotting to destroy this country, the GOP and the DEMs try to turn the USA into a GSEE (Geographic Space of Economic Exploitation). The GOP should abandon the Neocon strategy; it has always meant the destruction of the Country. Neo-conservatism was created, as a political movement, by Jewish academics and I would invite all readers of this paper to read the article of Dr. Kevin MacDonald on this subject "Neo-conservatism as a Jewish Movement". The movement first emerged within the Democrats, and shifted to the GOP in the early 70s fleeing the new left. The movement creators were Jews Allan Bloom and Leo Strauss. This is why all Neocons have to pledge to Zionism first, not to America. No fairness in a Flat tax rate, in FreeTrade, in free markets.

  • ksampow Farr West, Utah
    Oct. 31, 2011 2:15 p.m.

    Sorry about the typos - lower tax rates resulted in increased government revenue because of increased incomes - prosperity across the country.

  • ksampow Farr West, Utah
    Oct. 31, 2011 1:40 p.m.

    Typical liberal bias in the article: "Economists generally agree the shortage of jobs isn't caused by government overregulation but by a lack of consumer demand." When taxes are too high - sucking up a lare portion people's income - that is a major cause of low consumer demand. "Reaganomics" was widely ridiculed, but it worked: Lower tax reates resulted in INCREASED tax revenue as peosperity raised income levels across the country.
    Also, excessive regulation raises the cost of consumer goods, thus lowering demand.

  • Keith43 Springville, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 7:51 a.m.

    First of all, NO tax increases, period! Until both parties can demonstrate they are serious about passage of a balance budget amendment and deficit reduction plan, the thought of any tax increases is ill-advised, to say the least. Secondly, a flat tax is the fairest approach. Once a fair rate is determined (not graduated, but flat), similar to tithing, your tax would be based upon your inomce or consumption - whatever the base that's chosen for the calculation. However, knowing the government as we do, it's too simple and it takes away their power and control over you and I. A caution! Virtually, every tax that we've been saddled with that was "temporary", has NEVER been withdrawn. If the flat tax is the medium chosen, we must make sure that the current tax system along with the IRS, is TERMINATED first.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Oct. 30, 2011 8:53 p.m.

    "You better not have a penny of deficit next time you are in office. Not a penny."


    By the time your boy is out, the deficit will be $17 Trillion and still climbing. I guess you're ok with that.

  • FDRfan safety dictates, ID
    Oct. 30, 2011 8:11 p.m.

    World population hits 7 billion on Oct. 31, or thereabouts.

    If we could get everyone to give us $2,000,000 each, we could pay off our national debt.

  • FDRfan safety dictates, ID
    Oct. 30, 2011 6:32 p.m.

    Truthseeker | 3:49 p.m. Oct. 30, 2011
    SLO, CA
    Romney is just as dangerous as the other Republican candidates--pledging to extend the Bush tax cuts!
    We will just dig ourselves into a bigger hole, and the ones who will go without will be the 99%.

    Mitt Romney needs to use his MBA training and do a cost/benefit analysis here. If his core principals don't allow him to support taxes on the higher incomes in the budget deal then so be it. But my core principals won't allow me to vote for him.

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    Oct. 30, 2011 5:05 p.m.

    Here we go again with these RINO whiner's for free PR only. Waco-RINO presidential candidate Newt Gingrich contends that the grotesque failure of President Barack H. Obama's Mideast policies has propelled an anti-Christian spring. The number of Christians in Iraq plunged from 1.2 million to 500,000 since the American invasion in 2003, and Christianity is under siege throughout the region, Gingrich told an audience in Myrtle Beach, S.C., or anyone else that's pretty sober to listen to him. Then he'll "flip flop" along with Romney to OWS in NYC. I'm sure this year Newt Gingrich had one of the most popular Halloween costumes, the Snooki costume. It's easy to make. You just dress up as an orange pumpkin and pass out in a men's room. Plus now Gingrich also thinks the United States has been using Twitter to help fight the Taliban. The theory is the Taliban will surrender if they read enough tweets from Kanye West. But hw won't talk about Gilad Sharon, son of former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, said that President W. Bush personally assured him that no American president would ever permit Iran to have nuclear weapons.

    Flat heads?.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 30, 2011 3:49 p.m.

    Romney is just as dangerous as the other Republican candidates--pledging to extend the Bush tax cuts!
    We will just dig ourselves into a bigger hole, and the ones who will go without will be the 99%.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Oct. 30, 2011 3:28 p.m.

    Notice to GOP and t-party. You better not have a penny of deficit next time you are in office. Not a penny.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 30, 2011 2:41 p.m.

    A flat tax would raise the taxes of 4 out of 5 Americans. The rich would get another massive tax break.

    So if you are in favor of tax plans that will raise taxes for the poor and middle class, while giving the rich a free pass, vote republican.

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    Oct. 30, 2011 2:38 p.m.

    GOP rivals focus on flat taxes for the untra elete rich, while the middle-class pay out the nose, and a do-nothing-GOP phony government, that just whines and sits on their hands for 4 more years?. Well, I'm a true Republican, and, right now, I don't trust anyone in my Party. K Street is a major thoroughfare in the United States capital of Washington, D.C. known as a center for numerous think tanks, lobbyists, and advocacy groups. The K Street Project is a project by the Republican Party to pressure Washington lobbying firms to hire Republicans in top positions, and to reward loyal GOP lobbyists with access to influential officials. It was launched in 1995, by Republican strategist Grover Norquist and House majority leader Tom DeLay. K Street in Washington DC is where the big lobbying firms have their headquarters and is sometimes refered to as the fourth branch of government. Lobbying firms have great influence in U.S. national politics due to monetary resources and the revolving door policy of hiring former government officials. It is common practice for politicians to request money from lobbying firms for an exchange of to buy favoritism in policies.

  • UGradBYUfan Snowflake, AZ
    Oct. 30, 2011 1:59 p.m.

    Complete deregulation is another silly proposal made by the Tea-pariers that lacks any kind of empirical evidence for improving society or creating jobs. What these people are saying is that business and industry should control our lives. "People are going to cheat no matter how much you try to regulate, and it just increases the cost of goods and services so that people can't buy as much, so don't regulate". The "free market will regulate itself". I heard this on Fox News from John Stossel. I could not believe my ears. These are pre-industrialization ideas. This is ridiculous. This is a call for anarchy! This is giving license to many self-destructive business behaviors that are happening now and would only intensify without regulation.

    Not all regulation is good nor is all regulation is bad. All government is not good, but not all government is bad either. The tea partiers are arguing for complete undoing of regulation and government! Do we really want this?

    I personally like safe food, drugs, roads, and a clean healthy environment. I like having access to affordable education and healthcare. Not all taxes are good but we need them to maintain these services

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Oct. 30, 2011 1:44 p.m.


    Republicans might be okay with deficit spending, but conservatives are not. Don't confuse the two. Maybe you have heard of the Tea Party? This was the very reason it was formed.

  • UGradBYUfan Snowflake, AZ
    Oct. 30, 2011 12:47 p.m.

    Itsjstmeagain - you are spot on! I am leaning toward leaving the Republican party for many of the same reasons. I couldn't agree with you more about "Class Warfare" and the misconceived idea that lowering taxes on the "job creators" increases the ability of the richest individuals to create jobs. What a crock that is! Unemployment was extremely low when Clinton was in office and the top tax rate went up from the all-time low during the Reagan era. Cutting taxes has nothing to do with spurring economic growth.

    People have to buy goods for economic growth to take place. But I think in addition to having jobs, people need to have secure, full-time jobs that pay benefits. We are beset with under-employment also. The jobs that are being created are mostly part-time jobs without benefits (health insurance specifically). Even employees that are receiving medical insurance benefits are paying much more for their benefits.

    Also, due to the burst of the housing bubble, people are over-mortgaged and still losing their houses every day. The collection of property taxes, which is the major source of educational funding, continues to drop. We also need to fix housing.

  • Itsjstmeagain Merritt Island, Fl
    Oct. 30, 2011 11:20 a.m.

    Our economy has become a Financial Economy, where the dollars and wealth is in people trading stocks (bubble gum cards) and the dollars earned do not make it to the consumer markets. If there is no buying and selling of goods and services, then no jobs and the economy will collapse from the top.
    We need people with jobs, who can buy a coat that creates a demand and dollars to the store, distributor, transportation and manufacturing. If you only depend on the 5% with most of the wealth to buy the coat then we are doomed as a mighty economic nation.
    A flat tax is not a good idea, regardless of how you spin it.
    The concept of providing more money to the 5%, that they create jobs is also bogus. You expand your business when you have a demand, not when you get a tax break. Besides, the 5% do not use their money; they use your money when they receive financing from banks and financial institutions not from their own bank account. The only exception is that Venture Capitalist who put together other people's money and hopes the product or service is a success.

  • BobP Port Alice, B.C.
    Oct. 30, 2011 9:32 a.m.

    When all is said and done a flat tax is a great idea.

  • JoeBlow Miami Area, Fl
    Oct. 30, 2011 9:02 a.m.

    "It's time to do away with all taxes on your income and property. These taxes are a scam and have destroyed America...."

    Please tell me this is a joke....

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Oct. 30, 2011 8:31 a.m.

    Despite all the republican drip rhetoric (data rich information poor), the fact is republicans have controlled government and the economy one way or another for the past thirty years. Fact is, effective tax rates are lower than they have been for decades prior to 1980, most major corporations are making "record" profits, productivity is increasing at a rate of 4% per year, and yet, the economy not only tanked in '07 it remains completely stagnant as far as the common man is concerned, the richest 1% have seen their incomes increase by 245%, while that income is predomently earned through salaries, bonuses, and sheltering the income in S corps.

    Point is the wealth holders (supposed job creators), are not just doing fine, they are swwimming in money and profits. More money to this group won't create one job. There is more than enough money available to create jobs, even in a less than certain environment. The wealth holders are making their money in an economy that doesn't need more jobs (financial), their economy just needs more creativity (thus the push for de-regulation).

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 30, 2011 8:00 a.m.

    As an independent who has favored democratic policies in recent years, it appears to me that Romney's ideas make the most sense. While the GOB ideas in general don't inspire, at least Romney's are thoughtful and may deserve our support as the details unfold. Thank goodness Mitt is showing a good deal of common sense!

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Oct. 30, 2011 7:58 a.m.

    From the article: "...a fierce game of one-upmanship."

    I'd rather call it moving their message around on casters. These changes are the very reason we have such disdain for politicians. The will say ANYTHING to get themselves elected.

    How about reading the platform, coming up with ways to implement the things the party convention stands for and then sticking to it?

  • M. Matchette Syracuse, Utah
    Oct. 30, 2011 7:06 a.m.

    It's time to get back to the basics of the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. It's time to do away with all taxes on your income and property. These taxes are a scam and have destroyed America....

  • Itsjstmeagain Merritt Island, Fl
    Oct. 30, 2011 6:58 a.m.

    I left the Republican party last month. It never ceases to amaze me that this Republican Presidential campaign and their candidates are in a race to see who can be more extreme right than the other. Their goal is to go back to 1910, when you begged for any job and education was reservved for the wealthy. There is no mention of the middle class and the loss of their personal wealth over the past 30 years, only how to preserve the status quo of the middle class bearing the disproportionate cost of Government including Defense spending and the demographics of who is in the service.
    I am convinced that the term Class Warfare, was resurrected by Rove and company is an attempt to spin the owners of Congress as victims. The middle class are not in a Class War but in an Economic War for their future survival and their families to come.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 30, 2011 6:57 a.m.

    Good for Romney, in a day and age where wealth concentration at the top is the highest it's been since 1928 there's no reason to go to a flatter tax and give even less of a tax burden to those at the top when we have trillion dollar deficits.

  • JoeBlow Miami Area, Fl
    Oct. 30, 2011 6:51 a.m.

    Unfortunately, most new Tax plans are not merely an attempt to "simplify" the tax code.

    Their goal is to change WHO pays HOW MUCH. Big surprise there .......NOT.

    And, from what I can see, all the GOP plans shift more tax burden to the poor and middle class.

    With the wealth of this country steadily finding itself in the hands of fewer and fewer at the top, most Americans don't feel that this is the answer.

  • MormonDem Provo, UT
    Oct. 30, 2011 1:03 a.m.

    So, let me get this straight: the Republicans are okay with deficit spending after all, but only when it's caused by cutting taxes for the wealthy.