John Florez: Forging new consensus on immigration

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  • hacimo BROOKLINE, MA
    Oct. 29, 2011 11:45 p.m.

    The people of America know better than most the consequences of importing cheap foreign labor for farms and other such labor-intensive businesses. They know that this has not really worked out in the past as a viable business model. Obviously, the present situation is not quite slavery but the illegal workers are powerless and totally exploited. They provide big profits for a few greedy owners and contractors and the rest of society is left to handle the long term costs and indirect consequences. And we have learned to our sorrow that these costs and consequences can be very high. They may even come due in terms of blood and hate and destroyed lives. So we all need to think long and hard when a few special interests start complaining about how we don't have enough cheap workers. There is a saying by an famous philosopher; "those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it".

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Oct. 29, 2011 6:09 p.m.

    Illegal immigration to come here and work is multiple crimes. Enforce the laws and stop trying to justify it.

  • Relevant DRAPER, UT
    Oct. 29, 2011 4:35 p.m.

    Since when did the legal citizens of this country ask our politicians to change this country from being one that had and respected the laws of our great land to one of lawlessness? Illegal immigration is just that -- illegal. There is never any benefit to any society or country when illegal acts are tolerated for any purpose. I have witnessed the decline that has taken place in California in the schools, in the health care system, and the communities that have been over-run with illegal immigrants. Only those who have been witness to it can really tell you how devastating it is to a community. Illegal works have done serious damage to the wages being paid in those communities and have actually taken over the largest number of construction jobs, which used to be family-supporting-wage jobs and now are not. The only one who I have seen gain from this is the person/company hiring them. They pay little, but still charge the consumer a rate as if they were paying higher wages, which only means higher profits to their business. Beware will be next with tolerance of any illegal immigration policies by anyone.

  • CJ Murray, UT
    Oct. 29, 2011 2:40 p.m.


    We the people " forged a consensus" on illegal immigration a long time ago, over 70% of us in Utah and elsewhere want the law enforced and illegals sent home. The problem isn't lack of consensus it is lack of listening. You, Shurtleff, Yapias, Herbert, and the DN are the only "consensus" group that wants guest worker programs, path to citizenship, and all the other amnesty nonsense you all spout off about all the time. Please look up the word "consensus" in the dictionary and you will find it isn't anything like what you are selling. We need E-verify not HB116, and we a police force that enforces the law, it is their JOB!

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    Oct. 29, 2011 10:31 a.m.

    There already is a consensus on Illegal Immigration; just read what the overwhelming majority say on these boards and in polls. Never does everyone agree but a two thirds majority would be a super majority and we have, I think, a greater consensus than that.

    What is wanted is for the government to act to discourage illegal immigration, and to punish it, and also punish the associated crimes of identity theft and forgery; also to heavily fine those who hire illegals, and government officials and employees who dole out the taxpayers' money to illegal aliens, and embezzle the taxes of citizens on the illegal alien, providing aid and encouragement, partly funding their support,funding their education, award driving privileges to them etc.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 29, 2011 9:46 a.m.

    It's disheartening to see community leaders and government officials promoting lawless and illegal behavior. Illegal entry into the United States is a crime. Those who enter illegally are criminals. Those who hire them knowingly should be prosecuted, along with the illegal immigrant.

    LEGAL immigration allows people to enter the United States, find jobs, contribute to society by sharing their talents with us.

    LEGAL immigration allows those who enter to LEGALLY send their children to our schools.

    LEGAL immigration allows those who enter to hold their heads high. To not hide. To not have to accept jobs paying below minimum wage. To not be cheated by "businessmen" who treat illegal immigrants as slaves.

    America welcomes with open arms those who come here LEGALLY, but there is no room anywhere in America for criminal activity, including the criminal act of entering illegally.

    The sooner community leaders and elected officials decide to promote law and order, the sooner illegal immigration will end.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    Oct. 29, 2011 9:12 a.m.

    I say all government forms should be in English. IF a person does not have a minimal understanding of English they should not become citizens. IF they have $500,000 or served in the military by all means come. Same for scientists. I worry about Muslim enclaves. In Malmo Sweden about 1/3 of the population is Muslim in their own section. Police fear to go in there. I also say no Sharia law.

  • Ok Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 29, 2011 8:41 a.m.

    It is far past time to focus on three words, 'Send Illegals Home.' Time to get this message through to our government leaders. Time to put bumper stickers on our cars and time to repeat these words at every public meeting. No more studies are needed. Just send the illegals home and vote those out in government who fail to do so. What do you think?

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Oct. 29, 2011 8:04 a.m.

    Re: "Utah lawmakers passed SB97 in 2008 to study the impact of immigration, including 'the benefits of illegal immigrants . . .' [h]owever, the study on benefits was never done . . . ."

    What a tragedy! We're also suffering from a dearth of studies on the benefits of speeding, DUI, robbery, stock manipulation, and environmental crimes.

    How can the legislature possibly operate without all the hidden knowledge they'd gain from such studies?

    The other side of this tragedy is, of course, that hundreds of Ph.D. candidates are being deprived of grant money to perform these studies.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 29, 2011 4:42 a.m.

    "By his optimism and his trying to plant seeds of change, you would think Attorney General Mark Shurtleff is our own Johnny Appleseed."

    By his pervasive prevarication you would think Attorney General Mark Shurtleff is our own Pinocchio.

    No, it is not about being "rational," or "humane." Rather, it is about cheap labor for greedy businessmen, church membership numbers, and the "Reconquista" of the southwest, at the expense of the unity and integrity of the United States and well-being of its law-abiding citizens, and everyone knows it.

  • Lectori Salutem Beautiful Salt Lake Valley, Utah
    Oct. 29, 2011 3:21 a.m.

    With respect to "Johnny Appleseed" Shurtleff and his aggressive marketing of the Utah Compact, I would highly recommend that readers do a Google search for a series of four eye-opening articles written by former Arizona State Senator Karen Johnson about the Utah Compact. Oh my goodness, what has been going on behind closed doors? Who's funding all this? Is this really the "conservative" approach it is touted to be? Are Utahns really the only ones behind the Utah Compact or do they have some strange bedfellows? Have some of our "leaders" been duped? Sadly, I think so.

    Due to its dishonest and deceptive/manipulative language (IMO) in deliberately not making the obvious distinction between legal and illegal immigration, the Utah Compact has never passed the smell test with me. After reading the articles, I have a better idea why.

    I'd provide links if I could. If you are so inclined, find and read the articles, determine for yourself if they contain a little or a lot of truth, and consider the implications.

    I believe we have a serious problem and Johnny Appleseed is only part of it. Follow the profit.