Amy Choate-Nielsen: School district reverses course, will allow 'Bible' on permission slip

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  • DanielWayneLewis SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 4:31 p.m.

    In response to those who wish to criticize what I said:
    The fact of the matter is that REAL wealth is based upon the production of goods. You make the inane argument that "industries" such as finance (which is nothing more than usury) are somehow more important than real industries such as agriculture, manufacturing, or mining. William Jennings Bryan said it best; "You come to us and tell us that the great cities are in favor of the gold standard; we reply that the great cities rest upon our broad and fertile prairies. Burn down your cities and leave our farms, and your cities will spring up again as if by magic; but destroy our farms and the grass will grow in the streets of every city in the country." I would like to see NYC, LA, or any of the other sociocultural babylons you mention feed themselves without Texas beef or Kansas wheat, fuel themselves without Utah oil or Wyoming Coal, or clothe themselves without Montana wool. Jesus himself threw the money changers out of the temple; yet you build a city off of the same industry, and wonder why moral collapse originates there?

  • The Atheist Provo, UT
    Oct. 26, 2011 7:08 p.m.

    Since when have conservatism and religion become equated?

    I am a conservative atheist. How did the religious fanatics highjack us?

  • ksampow Farr West, Utah
    Oct. 26, 2011 11:28 a.m.

    Schools have become way too extreme in trying to create separation between churh and state - which is not in the constitution. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." By misinterpreting and over-applying the first half of that statement (establishment clause), the second half (freedom of religion)is trampled routinely. Why is it acceptable to teach about Pagan philosophies (Ancient Greece, etc.) but everyone is afraid to mention Christianity?

  • penny 4 thoughts SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 26, 2011 11:24 a.m.

    What ever happened to common sense and tolerance? Liberals are always advocating tolerance --for their agendas. When it comes to any kind conservatism or religion, there is constant pressure to change our beliefs to match theirs or we are "intolerant," "bigoted," "racist," etc. When did the word Bible ever kill someone or cause them harm? We can't say Bible, but they can call us names for standing up to them. Go figure.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 25, 2011 4:23 p.m.

    'This is the country we live in. People are afraid to say the word "Bible".' - belgie | 3:54 p.m. Oct. 25, 2011

    I would disagree.

    It's not the Bible, per say, it's what some of the followers...


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  • belgie Tualatin, OR
    Oct. 25, 2011 3:54 p.m.

    This is the country we live in. People are afraid to say the word "Bible".

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 25, 2011 3:03 p.m.

    Isn't this why we have Seminary?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 25, 2011 2:39 p.m.

    "it is like we live in two separate worlds.... Us in the middle pay all the taxes"

    In the middle? New York City is on the coast, so is Los Angeles. The wealthiest states (in terms of average income) in the US are Maryland and Massachusetts. It's the states like New York and New Jersey that pay more in federal taxes than they get back from the gov't whereas the ones in the middle pay less in federal taxes than they get back from the gov't.

  • A voice of Reason Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 25, 2011 1:41 p.m.

    Oh no everyone! Panic! It says "Bible" on it! We're all doomed!


  • Lane Myer Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 25, 2011 12:31 p.m.

    " Us in the middle pay all the taxes, feed and fuel them, yet they try to tell us we don't have the right to set policy, or even worship God. "


    Why would you think that we pay all the taxes? Salaries on both coasts are much higher than here in the middle. Don't you think they are paying much higher taxes than we do?

    What policy do you want to set?

    I can worship God. I wonder why you can't...

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Oct. 25, 2011 11:57 a.m.

    Re: "The Pajaro Valley school district previously thought including the word "Bible" on permission slips was a violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment . . . ."

    No, it didn't.

    Even the most perfunctory check with district legal counsel would have straightened out liberal district employees in this liberal SF-area enclave.

    Secular humanist educators were simply so out of touch with realty, they thought to curry favor with liberal parents, while giving the Pajaro to conservatives -- who they assumed wouldn't dare to object to such a "progressive" policy.

    Their actions were designed, not to protect, but to flout parents' and students' First Amendment rights, in the name of leftist, anti-religion solidarity.

  • DanielWayneLewis SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 25, 2011 11:18 a.m.

    I would say that this indicates America doesn't have religious freedom anymore, or that American society is against Christianity, but California (and the Northeast as well) , hardly qualify as America anymore. If you look at the states from the Rockies to the Appalachians, and then you look at the coastal states, it is like we live in two separate worlds.... Us in the middle pay all the taxes, feed and fuel them, yet they try to tell us we don't have the right to set policy, or even worship God.

  • Mary E Petty Sandy, UT
    Oct. 25, 2011 10:17 a.m.

    As I was reading this article, my sister shared the Hallelujah Chorus presentation by the Kuinerrarmiut Elitnaurviat 5th Grade in Quinhagak, Alaska. This small Yupiq Eskimo Village is light years away from the California experience with the word Bible. I am grateful for the warmth of the Good News that is still available in both California and Alaska.

  • Belching Cow Sandy, UT
    Oct. 25, 2011 10:04 a.m.

    They used the word Bible! The nerve of some people. The students who saw this word must get counseling at once!

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 25, 2011 10:04 a.m.

    When people use the bible in arguments, to support their arguments the bible is the 'Absolute word of God.'

    When pandered in schools...?

    Oh, it's just a book. Why are you limiting my freedom of speech?

  • Northern Logan, UT
    Oct. 25, 2011 9:31 a.m.

    Good... Especially since its freedom OF religion. Not freedom FROM religion.

  • Clarissa Layton, UT
    Oct. 25, 2011 9:17 a.m.

    Excellent! I'm glad for any freedom of religion as long as it stays within the boundaries of the constitution. Thank you Supreme Court!

    Oct. 25, 2011 8:44 a.m.

    At least as people try to eliminate freedom of religion, the fallback position of freedom of speech still exists!