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  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2011 7:18 a.m.

    Who is developing that Billion Dollar business office complex downtown and are they using money not taxed on that development? Is it for charity and can the homeless sleep there?

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 23, 2011 2:05 p.m.

    Congress is forbidden to enact laws pertaining to an establishment of religion. That means that Congress cannot tax establishments of religion. That means that Congress cannot tax contributions given to establishments of religion.

    Mr. Obama knows that, but he doesn't care. He pretends to be a Constitutional Scholar, but he holds the Constitution in contempt. Look at his actions since he became President. His contempt for Congress, for the American people, for free enterprise, and for the Constitution is evident. He is trying to deny 10,000 citizens the right to work for Boeing in a Right to Work State because he is controlled by labor unions. His allegiance is to them. His desire to retain office has so distorted his actions that he is incapable of doing the proper thing.

    Just as John the Baptist was beheaded for preaching against Herod. Churches and charities are being targeted because they are preaching against Mr. Obama's gospel of greed, class envy and class warfare.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Oct. 22, 2011 5:28 p.m.

    Beg pardon JCS, but the left hasn't turned Chirtmas into anything. The left, which includes people from all religions wants state funded material to reflect all taxpayers beliefs, not just christians celebrating a CATHOLIC saint Nicholas and a pagan decorated evergreen tree that we are guilted into filling with purchases by the commerce crazy part of the population - decidedly not left wing.

    You can blame Thomas Nast, a republican cartoonist for the popularization of Santa Clause.

    The attack on christmas came shortly after Christ died when converts brought their non-christian practices and celebrations with them.

  • Wastintime Los Angeles, CA
    Oct. 22, 2011 11:43 a.m.

    The Center on Philanthropy at Indiana University in a report: "Patterns of Household Charitable Giving by Income Group" found that of the estimated $101.00 billion given by all donors to religious causes, 20.1 percent ($20.28 billion)
    is estimated to have gone toward benevolences focused on the poor.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 22, 2011 11:26 a.m.

    @John Charity Spring

    "No reasonable person can deny that Obama's proposal is specifically designed to hurt charities."

    Actually it's designed to reduce the federal deficit. Those tax deductions means less revenue which means higher deficits.

    "to take money from the churches "

    No money is being taken away from churches in that proposal.

    @silas bill
    "Matt, I think you would be shocked to know what churches do with that money."

    The large majority of it goes to pastors' salaries (you said churches so I don't have to limit myself to the LDS church, I'm well aware that only a very small proportion get any money there), church construction/upkeep, and that sort of thing. Maybe 10-20% goes to charitable causes making churches one of the least efficient vehicles of charity they are in terms of percentage of dollars received. I don't mean that to come off as an attack on churches, since to me upkeep of church buildings is a perfectly understandable expense... but let's not pretend that all charity is more efficient at delivery than gov't welfare.

  • John Charity Spring Back Home in Davis County, UT
    Oct. 22, 2011 11:22 a.m.

    Screwdriver is absolutely correct that the left wing has been hugely successful at turning Christmas into just another secular commercial festival, rather than the spiritual experience it should be. That proves my point, not his.

    The left will not be satisfied until it has stamped religious influence out of all areas of American life. Indeed, its ultimate goal is to have people render everything to Ceasar, and nothing to God.

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 22, 2011 10:32 a.m.

    I consider myself very reasonable and think your post is pure rhetoric.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Oct. 22, 2011 10:20 a.m.

    Attack on goodness. You really are that scared arn't you?

    I guess you are right in a way. Obama is raising taxes on the rich and that IS an attack on your religion.

    How about the attack on Christmas? Now if your a true christian shouldn't you be shunning anything that takes the focus away from Christ anyway, such as materialism and pagan rituals? Smile. There's no attack on Christmas except the expectations of materialism that ruins a lot of people's entire December.

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    Oct. 22, 2011 10:20 a.m.

    Charitable contributions are certainly the way to go; voluntary, personally selected, donations should wholly replace government confisation in the name of its own dubious efforts to "do good".

  • silas brill Heber, UT
    Oct. 22, 2011 9:54 a.m.

    [ ... $100 billion was given to religious organizations during 2010. Additional transparency is necessary to ensure these charitable donations are being used for charitable purposes. ]

    --- Matt, I think you would be shocked to know what churches do with that money.

    [ At a time when people across America are increasingly skeptical and shrill, we should be celebrating what is right with our society. ]

    --- Skeptical for good reason.

  • John Charity Spring Back Home in Davis County, UT
    Oct. 22, 2011 9:32 a.m.

    No reasonable person can deny that Obama's proposal is specifically designed to hurt charities. It is just one part of the larger attack on religion by the left wing.

    The left doesn't want people turning to religion for help, it wants them turning only to the government as its sole source of solace and comfort. The best way for the left to further this goal is to take money from the churches and use it to create a welfare state.

  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    Oct. 22, 2011 8:55 a.m.

    If you want me to believe how charitable you are then open your books.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Oct. 22, 2011 4:58 a.m.

    These are two very good proposals. On the endowment issue, this is an area much abused by universities as they hoard money for their own competitive purposes, creating the perception amongst the academic community that the bigger the endowment, the better the school. This is a perverse practice that has developed. They need to get back to the business of educating or lose their tax exemptions.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Oct. 22, 2011 4:55 a.m.

    In a document outlining his 2010 budget plans, President Obama proposed limiting the value of the tax break for itemized deductions, including donations to charity, to 28 percent for families making more than $250,000.

    Mnay "charities" are terrible and give very little to the needy. There is no law saying a church large or small has to give to the poor. How many mega churches rally hand back out the money they recieve? I rarely hear of people being helped by thier churches. They certainly arn't advertizing that they are willing to help.

    This isn't an attack on charities, it's the same proposal Obama had when elected to raise taxes on people making more that $250,000 by limiting ALL itemized deductions.

    A little honesty in the discussion please.