Dick Harmon: Missouri takes another step towards Big 12 departure

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  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    Oct. 23, 2011 12:24 a.m.

    BYU should stick to being INDEPENDENT and schedule those Idaho State conference games every other weekend. This just makes the Cougars look better in the W - L column.........

    Rumor has it that most MWC schools don't miss BYU!!!

  • RSL1 Washington, UT
    Oct. 22, 2011 10:43 p.m.

    If Missouri leaves all the stars will be perfectly aligned for BYU to get an invite. If they dont get invited in this scenario they never will. We can jump right in and fill the void in 2012. It would be perfect. If they don't want us in the perfect set up they never will. Which they may not. They may not want to go west. They may not BYU and their special accommodations. Who knows and not being invited may be ok. But it does seem like it's now or never for BYU and the Big 12. Assuming of course Missouri actually leaves this year.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Oct. 22, 2011 9:49 p.m.

    BYU just needs to focus on beating a team with a winning record. Then focus on beating a ranked opponent. I'm afraid if they get to the Big 12, they might end up like Utah...winning NO conference games.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 22, 2011 8:54 p.m.


    I don't want BYU to join the big12. I want them to stay independent and have posted that on here about 1000 times. I just enjoy seeing the angst it's cause utah "fans" like yourself. I honestly don't know which group is suffering more over all of this speculation, the BYU fans that are insecure and want in or the utah "fans" that are even more insecure and are in absolute agony over the possibility BYU might get in.


  • sls Columbia, MO
    Oct. 22, 2011 5:34 p.m.

    Wookie from Nebraska is out to lunch. I live in Columbia where my wife attends Mizzou. The Tigers are leaving, mark my words. That's why the board gave Deaton carte blanche to do all the paperwork. The folks in Kansas City are sad, but the majority of Mizzou's fans live in the St. Louis area and they are ecstatic. The Tigers would rather re-establish a rivalry with Arkansas than maintain the rivalry with KU (sounds kinda like the utes in Utah, doesn't it?)

    Neinas has been playing to keep Mizzou, with his public comments about how it's too late and the league is staying at 10. I believe the Big 12 will invite BYU and Louisville to expand the tv markets. However, they may be playing with just 10 teams next year if the Big East fights to keep its members from leaving. It would be great exposure for BYU to join the Big 12 (and they should do it) but it will be sad to have the Big 12 continue without Mizzou.

    However, we'd love to see the Cougars come to Kansas and we'll be there to cheer them on.

  • jw_bluecoug SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 22, 2011 4:29 p.m.

    High hopes for BYU!

    Go Cougars

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Oct. 22, 2011 3:47 p.m.

    Why do you keep setting yourselves up?

    Now Monday is the day when a big announcement will come. Then when it doesn't, BYU fans will start blaming the administration for not making something wonderful happen.

    Don't do this to yourselves.

  • bobosmom small town, Nebraska
    Oct. 22, 2011 3:29 p.m.

    I'm married to a die hard husker fan (not his home state) who also cheers for BYU and Washington Huskies and me, a Ute fan. I don't see all the hoopla with the conferences etc. When I was a kid, Nebraska and Oklahoma were very big rivals just as bad as byu/Utah. When Nebraska left for the big 10 the foundation @ university of Nebraska had to pay big bucks to get out of the big 12. Originally for several years, the huskers were in the big 8 and there were no north/south teams.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Oct. 22, 2011 12:56 p.m.

    @ Wookie,

    Why would BYU be worried about Sunday play except for tournaments? Just because some play regular conference games on Sunday, doesn't mean they'd require BYU to do so. So, there's nothing for my mind to sink into.

    Posters who keep bringing up the Sunday issue are just trolls grasping at straws in hopes it'll keep BYU out of the BCS. Tough!

  • butters Salt Lake city, UT
    Oct. 22, 2011 12:11 p.m.

    this whole byu expansion talk has been all smoke and mirrors. holmoe even said the big 12 has yet to extend an offer. don't get me wrong, i think byu deserves an invite, if it ever comes, and obviously they'll take it, but leave it to harmon to be the first to hit the notepad when he sees news about the big 12 come across espn's twitter feed.

    remember when byu to the big 12 was a done deal? it's not.
    remember when the big east was considering byu? they weren't.
    remember when the pac 12 tried to get 16 teams last year? they didn't.
    remember when the big 12 was all but finished a few months ago? they're not.
    remember when the mwc and conference usa decided to band together? no one cares.

    all i'm trying to say is i'll believe all of this conference realignment and movement next summer on july 1st when deadline for all of this garbage is over. until then, i guess all we have to look forward to is reading dick's tri-weekly column about byu getting into the big 12.

  • Bluecat82 Minneapolis, MN
    Oct. 22, 2011 12:10 p.m.

    Why do I have a feeling the only way this storyline ends is somebody gets clocked from behind WWE-style with a steel chair with announcers screaming in the background, "Oh my...that's Tom Holmoe's music!"

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    Oct. 22, 2011 11:54 a.m.

    There are 3 teams ahead of byu in going to big 12....not going to happen..

  • I say this Emery, UT
    Oct. 22, 2011 11:42 a.m.

    RE: MapleDon

    Don't be a hater.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    Oct. 22, 2011 11:15 a.m.

    Whether Missouri leaves the Big 12 has no bearing on BYU. After the shuffling of conferences and conference members settles, BYU will remain independent. If any conference seriously wanted BYU, they would have taken them by now. But they haven't. And there's no talk of including them in even the weakest of the AQ conferences (Big East).

    BYU reminds me of Charley from the old Starkist tuna commercials. Charley tried his best to be attractive, but Starkist never would take him. So it is with BYU. Some might be willing to dance here and there with them, but none of the big guys (AQ conferences) wants them as a permanent partner--no matter how hard they try to prove their case.

  • 31-14, 23-14, 35-14 bountiful, ut
    Oct. 22, 2011 10:45 a.m.

    All I can say to this is DUH! Anyone with clear concepts of reality knew that this was likely gonna happen. The Big XII commissioner may have been very foolish in saying they would stay at 10 teams.. Yet, at the same time not foolish at all in that he committed the conference to filling any necessary voids immediately to keep himself from being a liar.... Can't say with any fiber of truth that I didn't see this coming! And in fact, if you go back on one of the articles from the past month I said as much as jake2010

  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 22, 2011 10:44 a.m.

    Even if Missouri files a departure notice letter with the Big 12, is it a sure thing for the SEC to accept them given their "real" desire is to be in the Big Ten? All it will take is 4-5 "NO" votes and Missouri goes nowhere since their departure letter will likely be listed as "conditional."

    There clearly is groundswell to get back to 1ratherer than stay at 10, but it might not happen as quickly as many would like to think. If thconsensusus is to get back to 12 within 2-3 years then look for the Big 12 to cover themselves for the possible loss of Missouri by inviting BYU next week, then deal with the consequences if Missouri is unsuccessful with it's SEC application.

    I now fully expect everyone at LDS Church headquarters to be on board with this move even though some might not like it, or BYU being in a high profile league. Samuelson, Worthen and Holmoe go in there with a full blown Big 12 invitation for BYU...it will be approved.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    Oct. 22, 2011 10:38 a.m.

    @Whatsinitforyou: 30 teams play on Sunday in the upcoming 2012 basketball schedule. You're right, sunday tourney games have concluded for now, but regular season is riddled with Sunday play. Think about it, see if it can sink in. Sunday play in the MidWest is acceptable. Not sure about Orem, but it is throughout the US.

    @Duckhunter, looks like you are back commenting on stories that have no foundation, only a glimmer of hope. As I've said to you before, No Big12 offer will come to the Y. Get used to hearing that.

    Independence is much better for them anyway, there is a reason why it was so "smart" to start with months ago. Seems like everyone is jumping off of that bandwagon already and you aren't even half way through your season of indepedence.

  • Salemite Salem, Ut
    Oct. 22, 2011 10:30 a.m.

    Maybe the government will regulate it, as they do everything else. A new CZAR in the white house perhaps, or a new agency...

  • PAC 10.2 Doormat Springville, UT
    Oct. 22, 2011 10:08 a.m.


    Will Whit and Chow have jobs after going 0-4 in the new conference? How about two failing programs for your AD?

    Basketball anyone? How many coaches are on the payroll and not working?

    Can we say 'train wreck'?

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Oct. 22, 2011 10:08 a.m.

    Wow Mr. Harmon. Another Big-12 article/hopefest. Makes me yearn for Jimmermania.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 22, 2011 9:55 a.m.

    Just gotta love the number of utah "fans" that wait for every single one of these articles as if it was their next fix of smack. LOL!

    There are more of them hoping, praying, agonizing that BYU won't get in than there are BYU fans that want to get in. I absolutely love reading their overwrought angst.


  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 22, 2011 9:13 a.m.

    Excellent use of cherry-picked talking points, Mr. Harmon.
    Here is what you left out:

    The Missouri board also gave the chancellor the authority to STAY in the Big 12, and sign Missouri's television rights to the league.

    None of the Big 12 members has yet signed the deal which would stabilize the conference. If Missouri leaves, the league could find replacements, or the league could shatter.

  • I say this Emery, UT
    Oct. 22, 2011 8:38 a.m.

    RE: BYU Joe

    I'm right there with you.
    You expressed my thoughts exactly!
    Wish I could give your comment 1000 recommendations!

  • Duh west jordan, ut
    Oct. 22, 2011 8:31 a.m.

    @BYU Joe

    Gotta agree with BleedRed, excellent way to put it. Thanks for the laughter.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Oct. 22, 2011 8:21 a.m.

    @ Still Blue after all these years,

    I think you hit the nail on the head. BYU's in if Missouri leaves and joins the SEC for 2012, because of the Big East waiting period to leave it.

    UNLESS, like you pointed out, there can be some legal wrangling or payoff to circumvent leaving before that 27 month waiting period.

    The soap box continues.

    Guess we'll be hearing from the trolls for awhile longer while waiting for official word from Missouri then whether the Big 12 can yank Big East teams early. Heh.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Oct. 22, 2011 8:18 a.m.

    @ Wookie,

    Last I heard, the Big 12 hasn't done a Sunday BBall tournament in several years.

    Sunday play is NOT an issue with the Big 12 for including BYU. If it were, Holmoe wouldn't still be talking to the Big 12 people. Right?

    Think about it. Let it sink in.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    Oct. 22, 2011 8:05 a.m.

    @ CougFanin:
    Economics force the Big12 to deal with the Y? Seriously? The Big12 does not need the Y, rather, as many Y fans believe, the Y needs the Big12. In my opinion, and you are entitled to it, neither party wants to give up fundamental elements that have made them both fairly successful. BYU with its no-Sunday play (how much hypocracy would exit if the Church permitted this to go away??) and the Big12 with its b-ball sunday tournament final.

  • BleedRed Sandy, Utah
    Oct. 22, 2011 7:22 a.m.

    BYU Joe

    Gotta give ya that, that was good.

    Made my day.

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 22, 2011 7:20 a.m.

    When the Y doesn't get invited to the Big XII minus IV, will it be eat crow day for Portland Trial Blazers?

  • U4Me Sandy, Utah
    Oct. 22, 2011 7:13 a.m.

    Wait, what ever happened to the Great Independence team of the future?
    Band of Lil Brothers touted Independence as the greatest move in BYU history, next to signing Jake Hypes.

    Question; Why will Louisville and West Virginia be invited next week to the BIG 12? Because they're not BYU! (Dick's words not mine).

    Oh BTW does Holmoe still have a job down there? Continues to make a mess out of a once was GREAT athletic program.

    Hang in the Band of Lil Brothers.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    Oct. 22, 2011 7:02 a.m.

    Okay, here is the deal straight from the MidWest. Missouri will not leave the Big12, mark it down. Their boosters and fan base love the rivalry with Kansas. Nebraska left because they were the red-headed step child with no real rilvary when Oklahoma was in the south division. Colorado was, except for a couple of years, a mediocre team at best. Y fans, stay independent, control your venues, as most of the Big12 cities are terrible, especially if Missouri leaves (Kansas City is a terrific city).

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Oct. 22, 2011 5:46 a.m.

    I believe BYU is the B12's first choice, but BYU comes with some baggage - no Sunday play, BYUtv, ESPN Contract, the need for exposure, etc. Will the B12 and BYU be able to negotiate and reach common ground, or will the B12 go the easy route like they did with TCU?

    With losing Missouri, I think the B12 needs to get back to 12 teams or risk losing TV revenue. TAMU and Missouri draw a lot of eyeballs to TV. TCU, while a great football program the last six years, does not have a large fan base. WV has average size fan base. Louisville has a strong BB following. Cincy has a small fan base.

    The economics will force the B12 to negotiate with BYU. BYU's fan base would be second in the conference only to Texas, and on par with Oklahoma.

    Oct. 22, 2011 1:28 a.m.

    It's like a soap opera but for football fans. Everyday a new twist on the same nonsense.

    I'll be glad when its done because if we don't get a resolution soon I will have to enter a rehab center for my "BYU to the Big 12 addiction." If there is a story on the Big 12 I can't help but read it for any scrap about the Cougs.

    "Hi my name is Joe and I'm a Conference Realignment addict."

    "Hi Joe"

  • Portland Trail Blazers Sandy, UT
    Oct. 22, 2011 12:46 a.m.

    When BYU gets invited to the Big XII, it will be DOOMS DAY for Chris B and all of the other Ute "fans".

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Oct. 22, 2011 12:41 a.m.

    The suspense is killing Ute fans.

  • Still Blue after all these years Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 21, 2011 10:01 p.m.

    All I read in newspapers in Big XII cities is that the pecking order for replacements is Louisville, W. Virginia, Cinncy and then BYU. But if the Big East can hold their schools for 3 years and the Big XII needs a 10th team next year, BYU could be their best option. My gut feeling is that it all depends on how much a buyout by any of the Big East schools could be negotiated to release them for next year. That will prob be explored before BYU is analyzed.