View from the Booth: Much has changed for Utes since 2009 Poinsettia Bowl

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  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Oct. 22, 2011 8:39 a.m.

    Six games left, with MAYBE four winnable and two questionable (Cal & Arizona). Get your offense clicking and I can see you going 4-2 the rest of the way.

    If not, no bowl game this year, as even three wins with last week's inept offense isn't possible, even against the weak Pac-12 South.

    Defense can win championships, but it doesn't always win games.

    This Cal game will tell the tale for the rest of your year for the Utes' bowl possibilities.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 21, 2011 10:01 p.m.


    You just described the exact scenario utah used to get into the bcs as well. Funny how you only see it from one side.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Oct. 21, 2011 3:50 p.m.

    I think the defense will get the W again this week. Utah by 13.

    Oct. 21, 2011 3:14 p.m.


    Utah'95 pretty much said it all for me. If you're going to dish it, you've got to be able to back it up. Otherwise, you look foolish. (BTW That's impressive that you can remember when Grosscup and McGill played if, in fact, that really is true.)

    As far as BSU is concerned, they owe the Utes bigtime. Without the Utes busting down the BCS in '04 under very hard circumstances to get in, BSU has no chance to play Oklahoma a year later in the Fiesta Bowl.

    Also, BSU has benefited greatly from only having to play one or two really good, BCS teams each year. It's made it easy for them to pad their record and gain their confidence against inferior competition (San Jose State, Idaho, Idaho State, New Mexico State, etc.)

    So when it comes time to play in a bowl, they have all of their team intact with minimal injuries. They then play teams in bowl games that are already pretty much beaten up. Also, the BCS teams don't have as much incentive to gear up to play them.

    Bottom line, BSU has benefited greatly by playing bad teams each year.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Oct. 21, 2011 11:58 a.m.


    Sorry old-timer, but I've got to side with GoRed on this one. Your claim that the Pac-12 is "on the bottom of the heap of the BCS conferences" isn't based in fact. ESPN and USA today (Sagarin) disagree with you.

    There is no way "only four Pac-12 teams are headed to BCS bowls." No conference in any year has ever placed more than two teams in BCS bowls.

    Please get your facts straight. Now sit down before you fall and break a hip!

    However, you did get one thing right - BSU has been better than Utah over the past decade.

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    Oct. 21, 2011 10:15 a.m.

    Hey, GoRed,

    When was the ACC or the Big East among the BCS conference leaders?

    I cannot remember.

    There are only four teams in the PAC-12 who are likely headed to BCS bowls (look at the various conference standings for proof).

    When it comes to any of the four leaders in the PAC-12 and probably by at least two or three of the others, Utah is behind.

    The Utes, I must admit, might get to SOME bowl game, but with all the bowls there are now, that's not much to brag about (no better than the bowl the Cougars are headed to).

    That I am a BSU/BYU fan, where's your evidence?

    Fact is, as a student, I attended ALL Lee (Bambi) Grosscup's and Billy McGill's home games.

    But even you, I think, must admit that over all the past dozen years, BSU has indeed outperformed Utah.

    Then again, what does it really matter? I would bet that hardly any football fan in the country could remember who it was that Utah beat in the Fiesta Bowl under Meyer.

    Half of them would probably say, "Uh, let's see, wasn't it Alabama?

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Oct. 21, 2011 9:48 a.m.

    Lifelong Ute,

    Actually Az. st would have to lose 3 games and the Utes run the board to get the Conf. Championship game nod.

    Not going to happen this year but a decent Bowl game is still in play.

    Oct. 21, 2011 8:54 a.m.


    Sorry, BSU/BYU fan. The Utes have already faced the toughest part of their schedule (just like BYU; BSU never plays a tough schedule). As far as the game goes tomorrow, the Utes will win, and go on to at least an 8-4 (9-3?) record.

    As for your comment: "the PAC-12 is also on the bottom of the heap of BCS conferences," where do you get your facts to support this? As recently as four days ago in ESPN's power rankings, the PAC 12 was in 4th place ahead of both the ACC and Big East (and non-AQ MWC). Look it up on the "Stats and Info" page, posted Oct. 17 by Sharon Katz and Albert Larcada (D News doesn't allow me to post the actual URL line).

    It's getting tiresome reading some of the anti-Ute posters. It's called jealousy.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 21, 2011 8:44 a.m.

    I see riley has retreated from claiming utah has "answered all the critics" to not even predicting a win for utah over fellow pac10 winless bottom dweller cal. Another couple of pac10 losses and he might finally admit the utes are just over matched.


    ps I think this game is a coin flip/pick em game.

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    Oct. 21, 2011 7:55 a.m.

    To Jordan and Lifelong Ute:

    Sorry, Bears 21, Utes 10.

    No bowl game for the Utes this year for the first time in several.

    The old Mtn. West looks better every week.

    'Course this year, the PAC-12 is also on the bottom of the heap of BCS conferences.

  • Jordan Lynchburg, VA
    Oct. 20, 2011 10:32 p.m.

    Lifelong Ute:

    Who cares. How about we win a game. Don't be like some fans and look too far ahead. Take it one game at a time. We haven't proven anything yet.

    I still think we win this game, but we need another 0 to 1 turnover game, and that's it!

    Go Utes!

  • Lifelong Ute Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 20, 2011 9:10 p.m.

    The great thing about being in a BCS league: We're still just 2 games back from playing in the Pac 12 championship game with a trip to the Rose Bowl on the line.

    Can byu say that?
    Can Utah State say that?

    I love the BCS!