RI atheist student confident in prayer mural suit

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  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    Oct. 18, 2011 12:49 p.m.

    %Virgil: While one may not be offended, but then still why would one want to fill his/her head with a lot of silly religious non-sense, or worse yet fill other's heads with it. That is not to say that Greek mythology is not enjoyable reading, and it does provide learning.

  • als Atheist Provo, UT
    Oct. 17, 2011 7:09 p.m.

    L Kaiser,

    This girl is doing NO harm to atheists.

    Atheists are not a group.

    There is no meaningful basis for "grouping" around the fact that we don't believe in a god.

    One might as well try to form a group of people who DON'T believe in Santa Claus, or pixies, or Big Foot...

    No other human being represents me in any way, shape, or form. Therefore, no other human beings' actions reflect badly on me.

  • L Kaiser REDMOND, WA
    Oct. 17, 2011 3:38 a.m.


    I agree 100% with your statement, well said and very practical. I think about 90% of other non deists would agree as well. Its the small minority of atheist's who are this extreme, just like any other group of believing persons. I believe this girl is doing more harm to atheists then good and represents a small minority of them. I live in a heavy atheist population, most believe just as you wrote ive found and are quite reasonable people.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 14, 2011 1:11 p.m.

    Jefferson wrote the first legislation in this hemisphere (if not the world) protecting freedom of religion not to remove religion from the public square, but to ensure it was welcome in the public square.

    There are many rights included in the Bill of Rights, among them is not the right to not be offended.

    do you mean I can go back and sue the school district because Greek and Roman mythology were part of my Jr high AND high school curriculum?

    It's interesting that the libs, who are always screaming for tolerance, acceptance, and understanding fight so hard against tolerance, acceptance, and understanding of religion.

  • justaguy Out There in, WI
    Oct. 14, 2011 10:50 a.m.

    This mural is just an aspiring, motivational sentiment expressed in terms of a prayer. The format adds what most people see as astetics to an inspriational thought. And yes, it is much like many formal paryers found in many religions. But it is simply encouragement to the student body more than anything worshipful. I think what this young lady is doing is just another case of the tail wagging the dog.

  • VocalLocal Salt Lake, UT
    Oct. 14, 2011 10:15 a.m.

    I am an atheist and I don't think all such murals and monuments should be removed. Religion is part of our culture and history. As long as schools aren't using class time to indoctrinate children into a religious paradigm I don't expect schools to keep out all expression of culture and social practices and that would include religious expression.

    Oct. 14, 2011 8:22 a.m.

    @ George: Very good question! Actually, the High School which I attended did have a prayer to a pagan goddess in a mural! "Sing to me, O muse, of that ingenious hero who travelled far and wide after he had sacked the famous town of Troy..." Perhaps the Atheists weren't offended because it was in Greek? As you might be able to tell from my login name, I took the classics very seriously as part of my education. Just because I don't actually pray to them doesnt mean that I have to be offended by, or even unappreciative of, a historical and cultural expression of a belief in God (or the Gods). But even if it were a modern rendition of an actual pagan goddess, or a calligraphic prayer to Allah, I wouldn't be offended, and I don't think that anybody should be!

  • JoeBlow Miami Area, Fl
    Oct. 14, 2011 6:23 a.m.

    I can certainly understand that many of "the religious" like to see prayers on school walls and even support school prayer.

    Over the years, there has been lots of fighting over what is acceptable and what is not.

    There are may instances where it is Religion fighting other Religion. (google school prayer santa fe) for an example involving an LDS student)

    But, do you really believe School prayer is supported in the constitution?

    Do you really want everyone's religious expression to be allowed?

    Isn't the most logical solution to keep religion out of school?

  • Bubble SLC, UT
    Oct. 13, 2011 11:54 p.m.

    Once again, religion is under attack by the religious.

    Prayer is now an historical artifact and serves no religious meaning.

    @ George: Could you imagine if it called on Allah?

  • George Bronx, NY
    Oct. 13, 2011 10:13 p.m.


    would you honestly not be offended if it referenced a pagan goddess and closed with blessed be?

    Oct. 13, 2011 8:45 p.m.

    So, if they just painted over the words "school prayer" "our father" and "amen" it would make her happy? I don't see how you can be offended by anything else in the mural, but I'm sure that somebody like her could find a way to be offended.

  • als Atheist Provo, UT
    Oct. 13, 2011 6:33 p.m.

    You go, girl!