BYU football: Look ahead, look behind

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  • fan in orem Orem, Utah
    Oct. 11, 2011 10:46 a.m.

    mgr63: Name your sources. Some Hawaii tennis player/ golfer?

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Oct. 10, 2011 10:40 p.m.

    @Billy Budd, BYU never got a sniff from the Big 12, PERIOD. If you follow politics, why don't you tell me a bit about what Willard Romney has faced in the last two days. That is the sentiment in Big 12 country. I guarantee BYU was never considered. They did beg Texas for consideration, but the conference never spoke to BYU, EVER!

  • Billy Budd Saint George, UT
    Oct. 10, 2011 9:00 p.m.

    BYU turned down the BIG (9,10,11,12)?

    UTAH and TCU have taken a similar approach to upgrade revenue streams as well as competiton.

    BYU has taken the next step to upgrade revenue streams as well as exposure, yet seems to be, at least for the next couple of years, hamstrung by their ability to schedule.

    Neither approach is the "only" or "best" way as a means to an end.

    Utah has seen what can happen with a sudden upgrade in schedule.

    TCU will learn next season, although at this point, they seem like they should be more competitive, at least, in the BIG (9,10,11,12) than UTAH has been, to date, in the PAC-12.

    Utah and BYU found championships few and far between when the championship had to go through Tempe.

    UTAH will face a steep performance/depth curve as they move forward, in the PAC-12.

    BYU will be faced with being held to an "undefeated season" (see the official/unofficial Boise State 'rule') criteria, as they move forward, as an Independent, to access the BCS system.

    It's a great time to be a college FB fan, in UTAH!

  • hrs4 Mapleton, UT
    Oct. 10, 2011 8:57 p.m.

    Heaps is getting blamed for Doman's mistakes. Start Heaps and make Nelson the offensive coordinator.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2011 5:41 p.m.

    I'll help with the look behind. You got pasted by your rival.


  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 10, 2011 3:43 p.m.


    "Do we want to be a big time player and play on a national stage or do we want to just do our own thing and have fun with it ?"

    Well - we turned down the Big 12 so you can forget the "big stage". Content with just doing our own thing and having fun with it? Well losing isn't much fun for football fans but I doubt the majority of BYU fans know much about football anyway... most BYU fans just love the experience rather than the game itself so if BYU goes 1-11 or 12-0 I think there will still be 60000 showing up each saturday and enoying the nachos... and there is nothing wrong with that.

    The U has taken the BIG step into the Pac 12 and have joined big time college football. TCU has just done the same thing joining the Big 12. BYU is really left on the outside looking in going forward and the home games are going to be vanilla at best simply because no body in the Pac 12 or SEC or Big 12 wants to play in Provo unless they have to... and they don't.

  • BYU/Jazz fan West Valley, UT
    Oct. 10, 2011 3:42 p.m.

    I think it was a good idea to start Riley Nelson. I do admit that I think Jake Heaps is the future of the program but the kid needs some humbling and some time to keep learning. To keep letting him start despite his struggles was only feeding his ego even more by letting him feel invincible. Jake also needs to earn the respect of the team so they'll play for him again. Hopefully, those changes come sooner rather than later.

    Go Cougars!

  • Ravenal Somewhere in, Utah
    Oct. 10, 2011 3:16 p.m.

    I agree with the decision to start Riley, not because he's better but because Heaps needs a wake up call. On the play where Nelson had the wind knocked out of him, the refs had barely stopped the clock for the injury time out then Heaps had his helmet on and was walking out on the field. Rather than let Heaps take even one snap, BYU used a time out so Riley could go back in for the next play.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 10, 2011 2:32 p.m.

    Look behind: Lavell Edwards , Norm Chow, Glenn Tucket , producing a hostof NFL players. Wide open offense who could beat anybody on a given day. Fun to watch and consistently in the top 20. Very much like Boise St today.

    Look ahead: a head coach who sounds more like an 11 grade seminary teacher who can't seem to keep or find any good coordinators. Players that most other teams pass on and the ones who are actually good get benched or kicked out of school.

    So BYU fans here is what the next few years look like....

    A short little QB named Nelson who loves to run the football and whose throwing mechanics are down right painful to watch. Sort of reminds me of the bumper cars at Lagoon! An offense that is being run by a Brandon Doman .... enough said. You can forget the 300 + yards passing games for the foreseeable future Y fans unless its against Idaho or some other cup cake. And now the best part... a home schedule of no name teams that are just happy to be playing in front of 60000 instead of the 10000 they are used to at home. Great job Tom!!

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Oct. 10, 2011 1:23 p.m.


    Thanks for the "Look ahead, look behind format".

    Much appreciated.

  • DT Layton, UT
    Oct. 10, 2011 11:49 a.m.

    I have been a life long BYU fan. Over the years my sons and I have looked forward to BYU football games. We attend all we can and have followed them on the road often. I am becoming more and more dissapointed by the manner in which all this conference stuff is being handled by BYU. I think we deserve to know. Did we get an offer from the Big 12 ? If not, I'm okay with Independance. If we got one and turned it down, I think it's pretty telling on where BYU is heading. I attended Ricks and saw what happened to sports there. The part that has me "feeling no love" is that as fans of BYU we are expected to just be fine with "whatever" and trust. Do we want to be a big time player and play on a national stage or do we want to just do our own thing and have fun with it ? Either way I am okay with things. It does however affect my attitude and level of support and interest in this team. Is it asking too much to tell us what is going on ?

  • Still Blue after all these years Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 10, 2011 11:27 a.m.

    OK, perhaps "on good authority" was not the best choice of words. Probably reflects my frustration. For that I apologize. I have not heard anything from South Temple or Samuelsen's office, but have heard from other folks at BYU that one would think might know (of course without naming anyone to get them in deep water). How about "from decent sources"?

    Anyway, check out all the other Big XII sources from St. Louis to Kansas City to Oklahoma City to Austin and everyone says that BYU was top choice 10 days ago and now is not even in top 4 choices. What happened?

  • Rickwell, P. Mesa, AZ
    Oct. 10, 2011 11:02 a.m.

    Still Blue after all these years

    What? You have it on good authority? Hold the presses. So you were able to get someone with authority, who actually is in on the decision making to tell you that SLC killed it? Wow, you must be important.

    Wow, and this is the place you come to tell the world your inside story?

    Not likely.

  • Still Blue after all these years Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 10, 2011 9:00 a.m.

    I have it on good authority that BYU indeed had an invite to the Big XII. Holmoe was pushing for it. Samuelsen and/or SLC killed it by thinking they could negotiate beyond what BYU had earned. Frankly, we should have flown to Dallas with a big check in hand and told them we'd pay to get in. Now the invite has been pulled and BYU's reputation as difficult to get along with has been spread further. Face it, with superconferences coming, its going to be tough to schedule as the better teams must play more conference games, that will make it tough to recruit (with zero chance at national title) and the money will soon enough dry up. Why has the Des News and everyone else been so quiet? The LES will be a great stadium for the intramural championship. This comes from a legacy member.

    Oct. 10, 2011 8:30 a.m.

    I buy season tickets (have for nearly 30 years) and I travel - but not so much for lame games - This means less money to the city (Hotels, restaurants, cars, gas, stuff) as for lame games I along with many others stay home - Simple economics.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Oct. 10, 2011 8:02 a.m.

    Oregon State has some momentum after this past weekend. If we take this game too lightly, we'll show up with another L. But, if Nelson and Co. play like they did in the first half of SJSU, this could be fun to watch. Need to control T.O.P. and have zero turnovers. We can't lose to the lower half of the AQ teams if we want to make a name for ourselves as an Indy.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 8:28 p.m.

    Don't look now, but our "weak" opponent in Oregon St. has had 5 interceptions against Arizona and Arizona St. the past 2 weeks. Besides which, both of those teams actually have good QBs.

    I'm really worried if Riley Nelson starts this week.

  • bfwebster Parker, CO
    Oct. 9, 2011 7:26 p.m.

    Well, aside from TCU, the rest of the schedule looks pretty weak...but given how we've played so far this year, I'm grateful. I'd prefer to see BYU win the rest of its games and then actually get better next year -- particularly on passing offense and passing defense.

  • RSL1 Washington, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 7:09 p.m.

    But in 2013?

    Boise State
    Georgia Tech

    Not bad at all. Hopefully over time our schedules each year look more like 2013

  • BigCougFan Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 7:04 p.m.

    RE: byu joe

    You're in Mission Viejo, CA - so why are you crying about the cost of home games? If you were a true fan you'd be thrilled to be watching your team even if they are playing for crumbs like the Utes are. Stop your whinning brother and cheer your team on.

    Oct. 9, 2011 6:14 p.m.

    Here is what I am looking ahead to - now that BYU either rejected or failed to get into the Big 12 - I can only speculate but I suggest it is because the powers that be want to remain Indy - so here is what we get to look forward to at an average of $70.00 per home game:


    Idaho State
    New Mexico State


    Weber State
    Utah State
    Oregon State

    Yeah for us the fans - so glad for the non-Big 12 home games - I can hardly wait to spend money on these fabulous games. I look forward to it with great excitement.

    Thanks for the great package and thrills that await me. The Big Game of the Year "Oregon State" - No worries we get to play in the Kraft Macaroni and Cheese Bowl if our record is good enough -

    My only consolation is that Utah is getting pounded in the Pac and will continue to enjoy the crumbs off that table.

    In fairness by 2013 we do get Texas, Boise State, Utah and Georgia Tech at home and a lot of games against the University of TBA.

    But until then oh the pain....