Brad Rock: Utah Utes may be punching tickets back to Las Vegas, or worse

Title hopes gone, a return to Vegas may be reality

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  • bluecoug89 Highland, UT
    Oct. 12, 2011 8:25 a.m.

    Look, I am a BYU, always have been and always will be, but I don't want to see Utah do bad either. The truth is, I am not worried about your team. Maybe this year isn't the greatest of years. Every team has their down years. But I really believe that things will start looking up for you guys pretty soon. I do believe that you guys can become bowl eligible if your team really wants it and they do. It may not be the Rose Bowl but a bowl is better than nothing. I usually don't say this, but. . . GO UTES! You can do it! GO BYU!!!!!!!!

  • chicagoborn WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Oct. 11, 2011 7:11 p.m.

    Funny thing is that the Las Vegas Bowl is still better than the Helicopter Bell Armed or whatever bowl. I recall before the season started that many BYU fans were expecting special things from this BYU team such as a national championship and yet they deride Utah fans for thinking they were going to the Rose Bowl. Talk about delusional.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Oct. 11, 2011 1:57 p.m.

    Welcome to the PAC-12. I think the sports writers in Salt Lake are used to covering the Mountain West Conference where you only had two real opponents followed by Joe's Butcher Shop and the Sisters of the Poor. That's why the Rose Bowl is such a big prize. In the MWC the big prize IS the Last Vegas Bowl.

  • dnsmith Salt Lake CIty, ut
    Oct. 10, 2011 2:14 p.m.

    Higher level of competition bring greater reward and greater risk. Just like the Yners can't cough it up that many times to a caliber of team like the Utes and not get destroyed, we can't cough it up and not lose. Note we had 5 turn overs in both games we lost to WA and ASU and the point margin was was only 38 in two games. The Yners lost by 44 to us in one game. The zoobs completely collapsed and got overwhelmed by a superior team. With a healthy Wynn those games were W's. What if games are stupid but so is the fact that Yners fans get on here and beat their chests as if they have anything on the team that completely completely humiliated them in their own house. Why are you still here on our boards? We don't care about the rest of your season, why should you care about ours? We will do well against the rest of our schedule. We play you in 2012 so maybe by then you can redeem yourself and only lose by a few instead of 44! print that on a T-shirt!
    Go Utes!!

  • Alaskan Ute Fairbanks, AK
    Oct. 10, 2011 1:05 p.m.

    I love being in the PAC 12 - we have an interesting and RELEVANT game every weekend. As Ute fans, we need to think long-term. The right decision was made moving to a nationally relevant conference, with much greater teams and players. How exciting would the remainder of the season be if we had to face Idaho, Idaho State and New Mexico State? I guess that's the difference between Ute and BYU fans, we hate to lose, but love the higher-level competition.

  • wyoming cougar Green River, WY
    Oct. 10, 2011 12:28 p.m.

    re: "dnsmith | 1:30 p.m. Oct. 9, 2011

    Stop the turnovers and utah will power through the rest of the schedule with our without wynn. Please the only team with a scare of not getting to .500 was hmmmm the Ynners! Oh yah with their 54 -10 thumping now that utah has shown some blood they all get on here pumping their chests. What a joke. I can't wait for the rest of the schedule! We have played some of our worst ball turnoverwise in our recent history and in turn got those teams best and no team had us beat until the 3rd quarter. USC the final seconds."

    Hypocritical! How ironic that BYU played it's worst ball turnover wise in years and was in the game against utah 'til the 3rd quarter, but the u fans took all the credit for that saying it was their defense that caused it and BYU is just awful. Now it's just that they had turnovers, otherwise they'd be undefeated, beating everyone on their schedule. I'm certain that a BYU-utah game again would have a different ending.

    Guess what, recent games are showing that the u is just awful now.

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2011 12:21 p.m.

    @Man About Town

    "If BYU is truly irrelevant, why exactly do you care so much about beating the Y? I'd like an honest answer."

    BYU is not irrelevant. Saying that BYU is irrelevant is just a "drive by" comment on here by some BYU haters, or, more frequently are comments in response to Ute haters. Beating BYU is always exciting, but it does nothing for conference standing - there are more important games.

    It may appear that Ute fans over-inflate the importance of a victory over BYU. But those comments are just a response to BYU fans saying how awful Utah is. It goes something like this:

    BYU fan: You will be PAC 12 bottom-feeders.
    Ute fan in response: Utah beat BYU, so if Utah is bad where does that leave BYU?

    And so the illusion remains that Ute fans only care about beating BYU, when in reality the comments are in response to delusional Ute haters.

  • DD JayMario American Fork, UT
    Oct. 10, 2011 10:18 a.m.

    Utah will beat Colorado and Oregon State. The rest are toss-ups.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Oct. 10, 2011 9:57 a.m.

    Utah's coaching staff should bear ALL the blame. How in the world do you not bulk up at QB after Wynn's last injury? Throw it all on a DII mediocre QB? Chow should have taken a look at QB depth and run far, far away.

    As for the BYU comments, BYU may not have had the best season but they're still only 2 games out of bowl eligibility. They already have a bowl invitation. They have a chance to be at least 8-4, probably slightly better than that. Utah will have trouble even getting to a bowl, and 8-4 seems nearly impossible.

  • GJ Greenwood, IN
    Oct. 10, 2011 7:21 a.m.

    I don't know why all there is all this talk about a bowl game for the Utes this year. Thay already won their bowl game.

  • husky2010 Renton, WA
    Oct. 10, 2011 1:34 a.m.

    Pac 10.2? One thing I would like to add that I see being said here is about the compensation package and full membership...Colorado is a FULL member from day 1 as opposed to Utah who is not.Just thought I would correct that misinformation.

  • BYU_Greg South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 11:14 p.m.

    I love reading "intelligent" smack.

    PAC10.2 is hilarious. Love it. What makes it great is that the Utah fans are up in arms over it. It is like good humor - there needs to be some truth in it. And in this case it fits. Utah and Colorado are not equal partners. Love it!

    USU saying the BYU game was a "fluke" is like saying 5 out of the last 7 Utah BYU games were a "fluke" because they were decided in the last play of the game.

    Ummm... Lame! The definition of a fluke is something happening that never or rarely happens... and that by definition is USU beating BYU. The fluke was last year since that NEVER happens. Especially in Provo.

    Also love the "smack" that Ute fans were touting with the "Free Turnovers at Wendy's when showing the BYU ticket." Ironically Utah immediately started coughing up footballs like a chain smoker hacks up flem. HAHA!

    Finally, What team in the state has the best record against BCS Teams this year? Yep. BYU. They are 1-1. Utah 0-3. USU is 0-(who cares)

    Keep talking smack. Bring it Big or GO HOME!

  • dwil7474 layton, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 10:34 p.m.

    haha my devils put it on them utes. just like i predicted. GO BACK TO THE MOUNTAIN WEST so you can brag about going 13-0 against wyoming and new mexico state and all those "cup cakes" and talk about how utah has won 2 bcs games compared to 5 for arizona state. 4 fiesta bowls and 1 rose bowl. and thats 5 bcs wins in the pac 10 not the mountain west. when utah has 5 bcs bowl wins while in the pac 12 then you can talk all the ish you want. but dont be talking about how superior utah is compared to arizona state. because trust me you are all making utah look worse than they really are. and byu sucks too....GO SUN DEVILS!!!!

  • Andermart Pullman, WA
    Oct. 9, 2011 9:31 p.m.

    "Like pizza at a sleepover." That's a good one.

  • Nostradamus Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 8:34 p.m.

    Pretty sure there was another Utah based team last year that was in sad shape about this time...that team went on to do pretty well.

    Don't count out Kyle - the Utes simply need to learn to hang onto the ball. Had they done this yesterday, it may not have been a "W", but it would have been close against a very quality opponent.

    Utah wins 6 of it's remaing 7 games. Then goes Bowling...(please, anyone but Boise).

    They end up being 8-5 and a decent season, not great...but decent.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Oct. 9, 2011 7:46 p.m.

    "what is this Pac10.2?"

    Yankees27: The pac10.2 = the Pac 10 plus Colorado and utah. Thus, pac 10.2.

  • conservute Saint George, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 7:40 p.m.

    HH where are you?

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 7:39 p.m.



    Pretty sure USU is the best team in the state. (Sorry BYU fans, that win was a fluke.)

    Utah State is the best team in the state...I agree. (Sorry Utah fans that loss was NOT a fluke).

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 7:08 p.m.

    Pac 10.2 blues for U.

    Well 99% of the non-delusional observers of this experiment knew that the Utes were nothing more than 2nd and 3rd fiddle in every conference they ever played in. A couple of great seasons a few years does not change the program much. How that equates to winning division titles and playing in the Rose Bowl has always been a puzzle from the beginning.

    0-3 kind of proves it for this year.

    Now to explain the Pac 10.2 origins... it was created for this very moment. No one really thought the Utes and Colorado were really a full member of the PAC as evidenced by the incremental compensation package. Other reasons are now evident.

    Being an adopted red-headed stepchild of the PAC 10 and adding a .2 representing a .1 for each new team just seemed appropriate then as it does today.

    Glad you noticed and it will live on for quite a while until something significant happens for the Utes. It's my little contribution to the sophomoric 'friendly' banter that goes on here in perpetuity.

    I feel like a song..."It's the Most Wonderful Time of the Year"

  • wardu Fallon, NV
    Oct. 9, 2011 6:32 p.m.

    One thing is certain, if the Utes have BYU to look forward to beating every year, apparently nothing else matters. The Utes continue to measure their season by beating BYU and nothing else. I am pretty sure people will stop buying tickets for losses by other PAC teams. The only sold out game every other year will only be the BYU game. History will someday tell us that the move to independence by BYU was better than the move to the PAC by Utah.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 6:30 p.m.

    Trumpeting the win over BYU does not hide the miserable showing against winnable PAC-12 teams. Before the season it was winning the PAC-12 and now the season is beating BYU? Loses to USC, Washington, Arizona State with 13 players on the disabled list and now saying it will take 3 years to be respectable is quite a flip flop from the pre-season hype.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 5:39 p.m.

    Uteology | 2:32 p.m. Oct. 9, 2011
    Fort Worth, Texas


    How many time will you embarass yourself?

    You post your own comment, then address me with nothing that pertains to my post...



    Same Uteology, same incoherence.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Oct. 9, 2011 5:07 p.m.

    Oregon State had almost 20 years with less than 4 wins. Don't assume that Utah will automatically upgrade to respectability in the PAC12. I suspect that they WILL have some good years, but not often. Still, middle of the PAC is not bad. Better than middle of the pack in MWC where they usually were.

  • utefan56 st george, utah
    Oct. 9, 2011 4:57 p.m.

    say what you will...still i would rather lose to teams like that...then have to suffer through as a fan trying to stay awake at the snoozefest of a game like San Jose State...who gave BYu a run for their money what a boring game!

    Oct. 9, 2011 4:47 p.m.

    did anyone else see that sign that guy was holding that said for us to go back to the mountain west??? that was a little ridiculous....i dont know though i would rather see my team win every week then get smashed by pac 12 schools. i just wish we could do good in the pac 12 and prove everyone wrong....guess thats not going to happen for a while. and byu needs to keep quite, they barely beat san jose state last night..

  • goodDr. sandy, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 4:10 p.m.

    diagnosis---DOA. The arrival of the Utes to the PAC has been nothing but abysmal. How many Ute fans thought they would be 1st or 2nd in the south div? The majority. Radio reporters were talking about the disrespect the Utes received when they were voted to finish 3rd in the division. That is not disrespect, that is reality. They are the 5th to 6th best team in the PAC and will most likely be so in most years. There will be the rare year when things fall into place and they are in the top 3, but it will be just that...RARE. You moved into the neighborhood with all the rich neighbors, now you realize that you can't afford the mortgage, let alone to finish the front yard.

  • 4D Provo, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 4:10 p.m.

    For all the Byu fans saying that Utah is horrible. How bad does that make your team look? We completely destroyed you 54 to 10. So if we are bad, Byu must be twice as bad. You have no room to talk trash to a team that completely destroyed you on ESPN a few weeks ago. I know it is a matter of perspective as a fan. However, I would rather be challenged and play in a bcs league. I know most byu fans are content being independent, and playing wac teams week and week out. Don't get me started on San Jose State, Idaho State, New Mexico Sate, Idaho, and Hawaii. If utah had your schedule that would be easy ten win season. And i'm okay with Byu fans wanting the hole indpended thing, the exposure makes sense for the church. But you must understand that playing in a bcs conference is different beast. Look at Stanford, Asu, and Washington they have had horrific teams in the past five year. However, look at their programs now. They are doing well, its a process that must be understood.

  • Wild Blue Abilene, TX
    Oct. 9, 2011 3:39 p.m.

    Byu has more wins over BCS schools than Utah does.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 2:47 p.m.

    bigt431413 | 1:42 p.m. Oct. 9, 2011

    I would still rather watch my team play USC, Washington, ASU etc. and lose than to watch my team play San Jose State, Idaho State, Idaho etc. and win.


    I wonder if Dr. Hill agrees with you?

    How long will he let Utah continue to be embarassed?

    K Whitt needs to do some big time recruiting, and coaching, or Dr. Hill will get a Big Time name to come in and do the job.

    I don't see Dr. Hill letting them give away tickets at the Gateway in football.

  • cougar76 Raleigh, NC
    Oct. 9, 2011 2:34 p.m.

    I am happy bigt431413 is going to get his wish. But, I am really looking forward to seeing BYU and the Y-ewts play at the end of next the Fight Hunger Bowl.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Oct. 9, 2011 2:32 p.m.

    Uteology. | 11:27 a.m. Oct. 9, 2011
    Well said Rock. After watching Utah and BYU yesterday and seeing the direction of both team, let me just say that I think most of us are glad that we played BYU when we did.



    Please stop pretending to be a Ute.

    Sorry to burst your bubble but it really doesn't matter when we play BYU since Utah is 6-3 in November and 1-0 in September this last decade.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Oct. 9, 2011 2:25 p.m.

    @CougFaninTX | 11:53 p.m. Oct. 8, 2011

    What I wouldn't do to have Sept 10 and 17 back now. I know with Nelson at the helm, the Cougs would beat the Longhorns. And I know with Nelson vs Hays, the Cougs would win that match up.

    --------- ------

    Would-a, could-a, should-a... defines BYU season since 1996.

    BYU offense with or without Riley is averaging 6.8 points per game in the 2nd half. Worse yet you averaged 1.9 yards per carry against Texas and 0.5 yards per carry against Utah. Your offense hasn't scored in the 2nd half vs BCS teams. Just be thankful that your defense beat a horrible Ole Miss.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Oct. 9, 2011 2:15 p.m.

    TRUTH | 9:42 p.m. Oct. 8, 2011
    This reminiscent of the utes 70-99 where the season was defined by one game........byu.....


    A major difference now is Utah is doing the slacking and BYU is at the receiving end: 54-10.

    Come on BYU fans, your national title hopes were lost in Texas and your BCS hopes exposed three weeks ago. Only thing you have to look forward to is not get spanked at RES in 2012.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 1:51 p.m.


    Im sure you think you are convincing all of us that your loser team is the "best" etc.


  • bigt431413 MAGNA, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 1:42 p.m.

    I would still rather watch my team play USC, Washington, ASU etc. and lose than to watch my team play San Jose State, Idaho State, Idaho etc. and win.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 1:39 p.m.

    No, seriously guys. BYU beat USU on a fluke bounce. Everyone knows that. I understand that the score board decides the game. I get it. But if BYU had to play USU 5 times this year, they would lose 4 of them. BYU should have CRUSHED SJST. It was a win, but a weak one. I really liked the poster who said last year's 31-16 beatdown in Logan was a fluke. The tide is shifting. Anderson is turning USU into a winner.

  • dnsmith Salt Lake CIty, ut
    Oct. 9, 2011 1:30 p.m.

    Stop the turnovers and utah will power through the rest of the schedule with our without wynn. Please the only team with a scare of not getting to .500 was hmmmm the Ynners! Oh yah with their 54 -10 thumping now that utah has shown some blood they all get on here pumping their chests. What a joke. I can't wait for the rest of the schedule! We have played some of our worst ball turnoverwise in our recent history and in turn got those teams best and no team had us beat until the 3rd quarter. USC the final seconds. Any of these teams would give yners an even worse shellacking than we did. I like our chances the rest of the season.
    GO UTES!!!

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 12:49 p.m.

    Who am I sir? | 11:40 a.m. Oct. 9, 2011
    Cottonwood Heights, UT

    Would I ever want to go back? Never! To see USC, UCLA, Oregon, etc. come to SLC. Priceless, win or lose!


    Let me even take it one step further.

    Does Dr. Hill feel the same way?

    If the have to resort to giving out football tickets at the Gateway (like basketball tickets last season), for the moneymaker, football, because fans won't pay the prices of tickets to watch the hometeam lose, Dr. Hill will cut K Whitt loose.

    I'm sure Kyle and Dr. Hill aren't happy watching USC, UCLA, Oregon, etc. come to SLC just to be embarassed week in and week out.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 12:22 p.m.

    Who am I sir? | 11:40 a.m. Oct. 9, 2011
    Cottonwood Heights, UT

    "Would I ever want to go back? Never! To see USC, UCLA, Oregon, etc. come to SLC. Priceless, win or lose!"

    Sure, maybe for a few people.

    Sir, there is more to do in Utah on a Saturday than drive up to RES to watch UCLA play.

    How many fans are going to be paying premium ticket prices to watch the hometown team get embarassed every week?

    They will be giving out free tickets at the Gateway in a few years. Just like Utah Basketball in the MWC last year.

    I have many Utah fan buddies that have been talking Rose Bowl all year.


    Buy a ticket.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 12:04 p.m.

    yankees27 | 10:00 p.m. Oct. 8, 2011
    Heber, Utah

    99% of us fans knew it would not be an immediate championship season.


    Do you know any Utah fans?

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 11:40 a.m.

    For this Utah fan there are so many mixed feelings. Let me start with a honest answer to
    @Man About Town "If BYU is truly irrelevant, why exactly do you care so much about beating the Y? I'd like an honest answer"
    To a small majority of Utah fans beating the Y is "the season". To the vast majority beating the Y was important because they were on our schedule this year, an in-state rival, and a team that has been a big part of our football tradition. That said, the importance of that game was the 10th biggest game of our season. (Remember when the Y was in a conference the first goal of each year was to win the conference.)
    What I regret most so far this season is the validity of the supremecy of the BCS conference teams in general. The records of the Boise State, TCU, Y, etc. will be tarnished. (Especially when we beat the Y by such a large score this year.)
    And it could get much worse without Wynn.
    Would I ever want to go back? Never! To see USC, UCLA, Oregon, etc. come to SLC. Priceless, win or lose!

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 9, 2011 11:30 a.m.

    deja vu: Utah(6-6) is now projected to play in the New Mexico Bowl.

    Projecting the bowls based on the sixth week of games.

    Rose Bowl Game: Stanford vs. Big Ten
    Valero Alamo: Oregon vs. Big 12
    Bridgepoint Education Holiday: Arizona State vs. Big 12
    Hyundai Sun: Washington vs. ACC
    MAACO Las Vegas: California vs. Mountain West
    Kraft Fight Hunger: UCLA vs. ACC or Army
    Gildan New Mexico: Utah vs. Big 12

  • Uteology. SLC, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 11:27 a.m.

    Well said Rock. After watching Utah and BYU yesterday and seeing the direction of both team, let me just say that I think most of us are glad that we played BYU when we did.

  • SammyG Child ALTAMONT, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 10:41 a.m.

    Cougar fans are hilarious. You beat some WAC teams, barely and got blown out by Utah. You all come on here and say what's there left to play for? Really? How about a PAC 12 opponent every week? Or how about respect? Give me a break and go back to cougar board and stop trolling. Have fun in Ft. Worst playing Fresno St. Oh and what are you playing for? Crickets....

  • Black Shirts South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 10:23 a.m.

    I'm hearing two things here from utey fans.

    1. We'll still make a bowl there are 70.
    Wrong, you need to be 6-6 to make a bowl That is not going to happen to this team.

    2. Don't worry things will get better now that we are in the pac12. Wrong, going 5-7, one ESPN game, and becoming the new Wash ST doesn't help you. Your recruiting is already going down and will get worse with your record and exposure. Nationally it's Utah WOW.

  • riddlemethis Clearfield, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 9:29 a.m.


    At 1-3 USU is the best team in the state? It was your win last year that was a fluke. But hey, look on the bright side, as long as you win another one sooner then seventeen years from now, you're ahead of the power curve.

    Oct. 9, 2011 8:57 a.m.

    Seriously? You folks in Utah were seriously thinking Rose Bowl in your first year? How deluded are you? Utah is a small state with middling home grown talent. You won't be competitive for years, and likely never a powerhouse in this league. You'll win some, but lose a lot more. Same would go for all your college teams. Welcome to the middle of the PAC.

  • Bottom Line Draper, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 8:45 a.m.

    Every Ute I knew thought 10-2 or 9-3 was the record for this year.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 8:18 a.m.

    Losses against Pitt, Cal and possibly WSU and UCLA will likely keep them out of bowl games this year. I hope one of their Freshmen QB's shows up in a big way next year.

  • JNA Layton, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 8:15 a.m.

    I am a big BYU fan, but I must say that I want Utah to do well in the PAC-12. I do not enjoy seeing them lose. Those BYU fans who are rubbing it in their noses need not forget the 44 point drubbing we took. No win over an Idaho or Idaho St or even a San Jose St helps me get the awful taste of that loss to Utah out of my mouth. Let's show some class, If Utah does well in the PAC-12 and BYU does well as an independent against good teams and USU does well in their games, it lifts the whole state.

  • Trickeration Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 8:03 a.m.

    @ nairbnosral

    You have to win at least six games to become bowl eligible. While your solid math skills seem to be putting you at ease, the reality is that if we don't win 4 of the last 7 we are going to be playing in the toilet bowl. Didn't think the Pac-12 would be this tough.

  • Allen#1 West Valley, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 7:41 a.m.

    Wouldn't the Las Vegas bowl game be preferable to the Armed Force Bowl?

  • Mike Johnson Stafford, VA
    Oct. 9, 2011 6:20 a.m.


    I thought "Pac 10.2" was cute the first time I saw it used immediately after the announcement that Utah was going to the Pac 10. Since the conference officially announced its new name, I have ignored all posters who use it because I have never found them to say anything accurate or worthwhile, but instead it just highlights them as jealous trolls. But, then again I have yet to see any truth written by the poster who calls himself "TRUTH." While it is true in most rivalries that a victory over the main rival can wipe away a sea of disappointment and there were several years where that was true with Utah, wanting Utah to win the conference was always the goal. The fall back in bad years and there were many was to beat BYU to vindicate the season, something made possible by the late game often last game of the year. I have heard many BYU fans say the same thing in down years for the Cougars that beating Utah would make up for the down year, so it works both ways.

  • Mike Johnson Stafford, VA
    Oct. 9, 2011 6:08 a.m.

    Utah State should be proud of the victory of Wyoming. But, remember, even in the year Brad mentions in this article where the Utes started out 2-3, we beat Wyoming 50-0. USU' win last night is consistent with how the Utes have handled Wyoming the past several years.

    I do look forward to resuming the Utah-USU rivalry, which is scheduled for the next four years. Bragging rights are best settled on the field.

    Isn't it interesting that what we see as a "fluke" in Provo last week, Cougar fans see as a "miracle."

  • Mike Johnson Stafford, VA
    Oct. 9, 2011 5:41 a.m.

    We have to win 4 of 7 remaining games to be bowl eligible. Right now, who knows. Let's just play them one game at a time. And let's end the turnover nightmare.

    I loved the line about Hays being an insurance policy with a high deductible. Let's hope the deductible has been paid.

    One minor point. It was the 2007 (not 2006) season that featured the brutal loss at Oregon State where we lost so many players to injuries, followed by a close loss to Air Force, than a breakthrough against UCLA with a lot of freshmen getting honors, to the nightmare in Vegas, to 8 straight wins and a Poinsetta Bowl victory.

    We now enter the soft part of our schedule, just like BYU is doing. We will both look better because of the weaker opposition. Now, of course, the soft part of the Pac 12 is far tougher than the WAC schedule in front of BYU.

    The Aggies are looking good, but I wouldn't claim you are the best in the state when you blew a game vs BYU the week after BYU suffered its worst loss in decade.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 5:25 a.m.

    If BYU had stayed in the MWC and won they would have gone to the Vegas Bowl for the privilege to play #5 PAC-12 Utah. This is the real reason BYU had to go independent.

  • ER in EUR Belgrade, Serbia
    Oct. 9, 2011 5:24 a.m.

    @ 1994

    I am pretty sure the use the scoreboard to decide these things. I believe BYU beat USU 27-23.

  • Unca Bon OREM, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 3:57 a.m.

    As a Cougar fan, I still think the Utes will get at least six wins and go bowling. Having watched their past two games, they've just been beating themselves with turnovers. Once they clean that up (and I can almost guarantee Whittingham will...), they'll start winning more games. Utah State is very much improved, but still not the best in the state. Great teams finish off their games. And I know BYU fans have felt like this season has been a failure (mostly because of our embarrassing loss to Utah), but the bottom line is we're 4-2. We lost by a point to Texas which is nothing to be ashamed of, and had our offense not have had a mental breakdown, the Utah game would have been much closer. All in all, the BYU season hasn't been an utter failure...

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 2:23 a.m.

    Utah already won their bowl 54 - 10 this year, played on Sept 17th in Provo. They accomplished their #1 goal - beat BYU.

    PAC 12 games = 3
    PAC 12 wins = 0
    BCS Bowl games = 2
    BCS Championship Bowl game appearances = 0
    National Championships = 0
    Heisman Trophy winners = 0
    Number of games they will win to finish this season = less than 4

    The Utes didn't make it against UW either, with Winn in the game.
    Poor Utes....nothing to play for now.....absolutely nothing. Those inflated ticket prices at RES must seem like such a good deal right now, too.

    My long-standing prediction that it will take the Utes 3 years to accumulate 10 PAC 12 Conference wins now looks a bit optomistic.

    Maybe this is just another week of "the best team didn't win today" and "Utah had a bad game but BYU is crummy." I'll bet we hear the good old 54 - 10 rally for weeks (since there's nothing else to hear). The radio announcers were praising the 79 yards rushing ASU was held to by Utah defenders, but skipped over Utah's 5 turnovers; 325 yds passing, 3 TD's, no interceptions for ASU. Great (funny) announcing! Denial, too!

  • blur Murray, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 2:00 a.m.

    The last two loses bring a whole new meaning to Utah by 5. I didn't catch the whole game but from what I heard it sounds like Hays played pretty good.

  • Man About Town Syracuse, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 1:56 a.m.

    I just love how all the Ute fans trumpeted how great Utah is this year, and how irrelevant BYU has become.

    So why is it that your team which was "Rose-Bowl bound" only has two victories? One is over a Division I-AA school (Montana State) and the other versus a "completely irrelevant school" that was left out of the PAC 10.2 invitations last year?

    (Yankees27: PAC 10.2 refers to the fact that neither of the teams that was invited to the Pacific Athletic Conference are full members for the first five years. If you don't believe it, check the revenue distribution agreement for the first five years - Utah is NOT an equal partner with any of the original ten schools. You can call it lame if you want, but those are the facts).

    BYU is in fact relevant if the theme of all Ute fan posts all year long always go back to "the season will always be a success if we beat BYU. Bowl games and winning record don't matter."

    If BYU is truly irrelevant, why exactly do you care so much about beating the Y? I'd like an honest answer.

  • Portland Trail Blazers Sandy, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 1:16 a.m.

    Utes suck... simple as that.

    $20 they lose to Oregon State, Washington State, Colorado, UCLA, Arizona? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • Mick Murray, Utah
    Oct. 9, 2011 12:51 a.m.


    driving the ball 98 yards with two minutes to go is not a fluke.

  • Hatch Sandy, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 12:20 a.m.

    Looks like Larry Scott was right. He would only agree to let the Utes into the PAC 12 if they played for nothing this year believing they could win nothing. Come on Utes prove him wrong. Show him and Chris Hill they made a mistake when they agreed Utah would get 0 this years in the PAC 12 while all other PAC 12 schools get Millions. Show Chris Hill and Larry Scott they where wrong when they agreed Utah is only going to get a 50% share next year while everyone else in the conference gets a full share. What is "a Utah Man" anyway? Probably not very god at math, but come on win at least one PAC 12 game. Come on show them you are worth something.

  • 93 COUGAR Orem, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 12:10 a.m.

    Utah - The New Mexico of the pac 12.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Oct. 9, 2011 12:05 a.m.

    Pittsburg, Arizona, Oregon State, UCLA, Colorado and California, all very easily beatable for the Utes (teams they have beaten in years gone by) will provide proof that .500 is not reality for the Utes this season.... Pride got in the way....

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Oct. 8, 2011 11:53 p.m.

    With a conference title out of the question, what do the Utes have to play for now?

    Two teams headed in different directions. What I wouldn't do to have Sept 10 and 17 back now. I know with Nelson at the helm, the Cougs would beat the Longhorns. And I know with Nelson vs Hays, the Cougs would win that match up. But I'd love to see Nelson vs Wynn in the last game of the year.

    At this point, it's not looking like the Utes will be playing in Decemeber, certainly those January dreams are long gone.

    I wish Wynn a speedy recovery, because I don't think U'll win many games without him. Oregon State, UCLA and Colorado are still potential wins without Wynn, but that's about it.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 11:39 p.m.


    Pretty sure USU is the best team in the state. (Sorry BYU fans, that win was a fluke.)

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 11:17 p.m.


    Is there any way to get them into the Armed Forces bowl??? That would be a sea of mediocrity.

    Sorry, it requires a winning season (your in a position lower than mediocrity)...but Utah State will be in a bowl...does that count?

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 10:55 p.m.

    Sorry about your loss - looked good in the 3rd Q. Hope Wynn gets back soon. Good luck for the rest of the season. Also, hope you qualify for a bowl game.
    A Ute alumnus and a Ute and BYU fan.

  • BigWilly Alpine, Ut
    Oct. 8, 2011 10:39 p.m.

    I would love to know what the Utah fan that shaped a U out of roses in his backyard is thinking right now... They probably wilted away with the cold just like Utahs hope of making it to the Rose Bowl. Luckily they are perennials, just keep watering and pruning them for the next 20 years, and maybe just maybe you will finally reach that Rose Bowl.

  • nairbnosral American Fork, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 10:33 p.m.

    Of course Utah will make it to a bowl game. With 35 bowls to choose from, who DOESN'T make it to a bowl game these days.

    70 teams will go bowling this year. 50 will not. Odds are Utah will be one of the 70.

  • bballjunkie Pleasant Grove, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 10:13 p.m.

    Vegas Bowl?
    They are not going to qualify for any bowl who are you kidding Brad. They won't smell

  • yankees27 Heber, Utah
    Oct. 8, 2011 10:00 p.m.

    99% of us fans knew it would not be an immediate championship season. It will take a few years, but now being in the PAC 12 (what is this Pac10.2? so lame) recruiting will improve, support will increase, and things will get better. Without stability at QB, this season will get worse. If we don't go bowling this year, so what? Things will improve, and we'll be back in a BCS bowl soon, at least sooner than the Y.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 9:42 p.m.

    This reminiscent of the utes 70-99 where the season was defined by one game........byu.....bowling is not in the cards this year.......welcome to the pac10.2 basement utes......

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 9:33 p.m.


  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 9:16 p.m.

    Is there any way to get them into the Armed Forces bowl??? That would be a sea of mediocrity.