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  • Mike Johnson Stafford, VA
    Oct. 9, 2011 7:05 p.m.

    Thanks Vai. I usually like your opinions and appreciate you explanations this week which were true to form.

  • Pac12Proud SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 1:20 p.m.

    Sorry, I took too many words out to make my previous post fit into the 200 word limit.

    Question 1 pertains to the advertisement of alcohol on ESPN during byu games. Why do I have to see it when watching a byu game?

    The point is...has byu stood tall with ESPN to ensure Mormon standards are observed in advertising during byu games or have they simply determined that there are some things outside of their control and standards "be damned" as Vai put it last week?

    Question 2 is goes a little deeper into the same issue.

    Thanks for accepting my post, DN.

  • Pac12Proud SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 11:21 a.m.

    Vai, your efforts this week demonstrate the amount of good that can be accomplished when opinion based accusations yield to meaningful dialog. Clearly, you have learned a valuable lesson through this experience. An apology this week, rather than a rationalization, is the higher road. Interesting choice.

    The Sunday play issue was raised by byu faithful to explain their exclusion from the Pac-12 and has gained momentum over the last year. It is, however, a topic of byus choosing. Perhaps you could address a question on a topic of my choosing...

    Question 1: Has byu engaged ESPN in any way to limit or eliminate those advertisements during byu games?

    Question 2: Has any consideration been given to the fact that byu now has a revenue stream from an organization that obtains its earnings from the advertisement of alcoholic beverages and soft pornography (Go daddy)?

    Vai, in the spirit of your column this week, I am not really awed by professional athletes especially those who make their hay using an NFL career long since ended. Know what I mean? I appreciate the example you eventually set in making an effort to understand both sides of an issue.

  • Dave 35 KAYSVILLE, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 9:13 a.m.

    The School that represents Christ's Church here on earth does not need more critics, it needs more champions, especially from former alumni.

    You, sir, are not acting like that champion.

    Oct. 9, 2011 12:26 a.m.

    What is Jerry Sloan doing running the Utah program....

  • Red Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 10:13 p.m.


    keep calling a spade a spade.

    The Mormons here in Utah need you to keep them on their toes and the rest of the clan need to be shaken by you as well.

    Good work.

  • Boo Ya!!! SLC, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 1:15 p.m.

    Did I see a post dropping a "church title" and then pointing the finger at Chris Hill?
    Hey, maybe I have a "title" also, but do I REALLY use that to prove my point on a DNEWS blog?!?!? THAT is hilarious :)
    BlueCougar - Come on. Think about it. What would President HInckley & President Monson do!!!

  • wardu Fallon, NV
    Oct. 8, 2011 12:39 p.m.

    AZ Dave - Vai does not need to check with anyone before he writes an opinion. Just like you don't check with anyone before you write your opinion. I sure he appreciates you attempting to be his boss and tell him what he should do.

    Go Cougs
    Go ASU

  • TheHailstorm South Weber, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 10:58 a.m.

    Always a good day when I open the sports page for my theological studies and testimony refresher. I need the box scores on why I am on earth and where am I going and how to end the months biggest issue ..not the NBA lockout.. nope.. not the baseball pennant races.. nope... but is it OK to watch a football game and re-runs of conference or is it better in the churches eyes if we watch conference and re-runs of the football game.
    I think that Vai's views should be on the lifestyle pages and not in sports.

  • Deserthiker SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 10:57 a.m.

    Vai, I enjoy and value the opportunity to read your opinion even when I disagree with it. You provide thoughtful commentary from a unique perspective. You've caused me to pause and think about some topics in a new way because of points you have made. I have, on a given week, found your work inspirational, humorous, thought provoking, and enlightening. Always I find it interesting. I hope you are able to continue to write for the DN for a long time to come.

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 10:51 a.m.

    Hatred wrecks opinions and demotes them to prejudices. Such are the comments of so many who hate the LDS church. And also either hate BYU or Utah. Nonsense to let that emotion into the equation.

    I'm amazed at the double standards that seek to destroy the LDS faith by demeaning and hatred, yet, those same people would shrug their shoulders in Virginia if their Baptist friends objected to Halloween as Satan worship and demanded it removed from the schools.

    Let it be. Cool it on the hatred.

  • BlueCougar Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 10:50 a.m.

    Hi Vai, It is your old stake president from the time you were serving in Sioux Falls (Pres. Gardner). I really enjoy your column and your opinions on everything from Pres Greenwood, your family, the Arizona Cardinals, the Cougars and everything in between. Thanks for what you do. I really wanted to comment about your column last week because it touched on a lot of nerves of a lot of people. Because you took the time to contact Chris Hill, you deserve a lot of credit. He should recognize that even tho he works for a state university that much of his support comes from the LDS in the state and he should be more sensitive to that. He should push a little harder to prevent the Pac-12 from Sunday games and conference weekend conflicts. He should know that many LDS leaders including President Hinckley and President Monson are graduates. He is not being sensitive to the LDS supporters that help pay his salary and the salaries of Kyle Whittingham and others. I have great respect for you and all that you do for the Church in Philadelphia. Thanks for all that you do.

  • Super Trooper SLC, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 10:17 a.m.

    The Sabbath Day is one thing but I would like some serious response to this question:

    Should I have made my son & I miss his little league football game for the Saturday afternoon session of conference?

    What would the difference be between that and the priesthood session?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 7:53 a.m.

    I love all the ute "fans" being outraged and judgemental about Vai being judgemental.


    Oct. 8, 2011 12:13 a.m.

    People on this comment board are sounding much like the Jews during Jesus times. All we do it point out the wrong in other people and judge rather than work on ourselves. If I drank a beer with my friends/family at dinner, not one person would hesitate to tell ke I was sinning. However, if we walked past a homeless mother with 2 children begging for money to feed her kids, it wouldn't be uncommon for all of us to ignore them and keep walking without offering any help. I would guess god would be more disappointed in not helping hungry children. We look past the mark and the day when we say all is well in Zion has come.

  • Just Me SLC, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 11:13 p.m.

    I stand by my comments last week sir!!!

    FIRST: I'll take this as a repentance've restored my faith in you!!! I really like MOST of what you've written today.

    SECOND: (and I repeat) Please tell me where in "Keep the Sabbath Day Holy" it differentiates between pro, amateur, etc.... OH YEA!!! it's right next to the section on modesty EXCEPT for proms, pageants, cheerleading, drill team or athletic practices!!! Or the dating section UNLESS we're just hanging out AND it's the bishop's kid I'm with!!! should have stopped @ Pres. Packers talk and not tried to differentiate the word "career." That type of rationalization is what we do for modesty, dating, and everything else.

    Nice Work, however, I'll keep reading!!!

  • Curt Conklin Provo, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 10:32 p.m.

    "Sorry Cougs family comes first."

    Blasphemy Vai! You must be a Mormon!

    CE Conklin/Coug

  • Hatch Sandy, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 10:28 p.m.

    "We entered the Pac-12 as full-fledged members with all the privileges that membership affords," Hill said.--I do not understand this comment by Dr. Hill. Utah gets 0 payout from the PAC 12 this year EVERY other school gets millions. Next year Utah only gets a 50% share of what the other scools get. How is this "all privileges" ?

  • phatness SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 10:27 p.m.

    Nicely done, Vai.

    I'm surprised in reading the comments that some people have taken anything religious as an attack on them. Qwest Perfected, for example, seems to think that separation of church and state means "freedom from religion" - as in if religion affects his/her life in any way - even if LDS conference is on national TV - then it is out of hand.

    Vai did a nice job in his article of pointing out that you can respect others' beliefs while still maintaining your own. In so doing, the people of the United States can maintain freedom of religion as well as separation of church and state. Without this respect, either the religious freedoms or the separation of church and state will be infringed upon.

  • snowman801 Utah, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 9:23 p.m.

    Vai coincidentally didn't respond to those who brought up that BYU had sporting events during Saturday conference.

    Football won't be played on Sunday. College football knows not to compete with the NFL. Yes, other sports, such as baseball, softball, and soccer may be played on Sunday.

    Vai, I'm not sure why you bring up the Sunday thing, (since football won't be played on Sunday), but failed to bring up BYU playing sports (other than football) during Saturday conference.

  • Herby Hurricane, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 8:30 p.m.


    It is flattering that you would use my comments in your column. Thank you! I see a lot of justifications you make in your response to my remarks regarding you playing on Sunday. Aren't these college kids playing for a career too? What you are saying sounds like a parent telling their child "Do as I say, not as I do." I can see if a fireman or a police officer occasionally needs to serve the public on the Sabbath. However, your job was not a necessary job and it was to entertain the public on Sunday making $millions$, all the while the public breaks the sabbath to watch you play. I just find it awful hypocritical to stand on your platform every week making judgments against others for the same thing you did. Then, the next week you use all the big name athletes to justify your actions (i.e. Dale Murphy etc). The reason why the Savior is a great leader is because he leads by example and not by word only. I would have probably played too, but I wouldn't stand on the rooftops pointing my finger at others.

  • bobosmom small town, Nebraska
    Oct. 7, 2011 8:26 p.m.

    I work at a job where I have to work every other weekend. Fortunately,when I work Sundays I go to work late enough in the afternoon that I don't have to miss church. I don't think that the lord or my ward looks down on e because of it. It is a 24/7 facility so that is the way the contract is written. The only thing I wish is since it is one of the day my husband has off, I could spend it with him.Asliving in an area where we are the minority, we just go with the flow but since we are members we don't do the things that are popular here but we aren't any better or worse than people around here. We are all children of God. I have close Lds friends but also have close friends that aren't members. Love reading your column, Vai.

  • Hawkyo SYRACUSE, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 7:13 p.m.

    9er @12:51 Of course not, don't be ridiculous!

    Oct. 7, 2011 6:33 p.m.

    Vai, Excellent points, and I really enjoy your point of view! Good for you for supporting family ties over school color.

    It bothers me that there seems to be undercurrent of resentment of the influence of the LDS community in Utah by a small but vocal minority of complainers.

    I don't begrudge Baptists or Catholics or Jews for the sometimes strong influence they have in my community... They only bring benefits because of how they follow their faiths. By the way, all my friends and acquaintances know I'm LDS, and there is never the kind of anti-LDS vitriol that percolates from the beehive state.

    I only get the occasionally friendly joke about my numerous wives...

  • Mid-Major Cougars San Diego, CA
    Oct. 7, 2011 6:29 p.m.

    ...Am I a hypocrite for advocating that the Pac-12 respect the dominant culture and religion in Utah because many of the athletes, even in a state school, are LDS? I don't think so, even if you do. Because it's not their careers.

    Playing college sports on Sundays is a "job" for these LDS college kids as well while they are earning their tuition to build their careers. Have you thought of that?

    Be fair, Vai. That is all we would ask.

    By the way, glad to hear that you were cheering for the Utes at the end of that decisive blowout game while most of other BYU fans left the stadium already.

  • Heater BALA CYNWYD, PA
    Oct. 7, 2011 5:57 p.m.

    Magic Man: Vai, you conveniently left out answering why you brought up Utah playing during conference, but left out why you didn't say anything about past BYU football games played during Priesthood session. As an LDS member, I always found that puzzling.
    Magic - a little comprehension would've given you the answer to your question in this paragraph:

    Conference Saturday for Latter-day Saints is probably comparable to Rosh Hashanah, in that it's important but not as important as our Sabbath, or Yom Kippur, for Jews. The Church made accommodations last Saturday by tape delaying priesthood session in the U Institute, but it will never budge on Sundays.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 5:54 p.m.


    You're straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel. Instead of worrying about the letter of the law, you should be worrying about the spirit of the law. With BYU fans scattered around the world, regardless of when BYU plays, there's going to be a BYU fan somewhere who could be listening/watching the game in the wee hours of the morning or late at night on a Sunday.

    If that bothers you, please don't ever get sick, drive a car, turn on the lights, flush a toilet, use the phone, listen to the radio, watch television, have a house catch fire, or stay in a hotel on a Sunday, because you're contributing to many, many people having to work on Sunday.

  • SoCalUtahFan Uteville, CA
    Oct. 7, 2011 5:31 p.m.

    Just one point to make...Pac-12 makes no exception for Catholics, Hindu, Buddhism, Mormon or any other that is fair in my humble opinion.

  • teleste Provo, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 5:26 p.m.

    Do Bronco Mendenhall and Kyle Whittingham have credibility to encourage kids to serve missions or should they be ignored since they chose not to serve missions themselves?


    "Am I a hypocrite for playing on Sundays in the NFL, yet didn't allow my children to play baseball or football in little league and Pop Warner because many of the tournaments and games were on Sunday?"


    "And like Pres. Packer, the Lord is patient with us and eventually allows us to serve in His Kingdom. Though our careers required us to work on Sundays, many of us kept our covenants and did our best."

    I agree with this sentiment 100%. As pointed out above, I just disagree that you now have the right/privilege to go around preaching Sabbath-observancecuz that is when the hypocrisy sneaks in.

    I would choose to play on Sundays if I had the chance. I love the NFL that much. Still, I am smart enough to realize that in doing that I'd be putting a pigskin ahead of a God who was crucified for my sins...and I'd have enough respect to then not preach about Sabbath-observance later on.

  • AZ Dave Chandler, AZ
    Oct. 7, 2011 5:25 p.m.

    Vai If you had done your job and asked Dr Hill first about Sunday play and Conference weekend, most of this could of been avoided

  • That's A Good One Meridian, ID
    Oct. 7, 2011 5:03 p.m.

    I guess I don't understand the whole "game during priesthood" controversy. Personally, I attended priesthood meeting. But that's more because I'm a BYU fan than a Utah fan. I have to admit though I checked my smartphone for the score between speakers. My question though is: What difference does it make if Ute fans went to the game or went to priesthood "live"? I know of no commandment to watch it "live". In fact I've been in several places around the world where it wasn't available live and last I checked, watching/listening to it recorded isn't a sin. You can watch it online now at lds dot org and get the same message as those of us who saw it "live". The only difference is we didn't have to suffer through the bad football game "live".

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 4:47 p.m.

    Vai, thanks for addressing the concerns expressed by many about your blog last week. I also appreciate the fact that you called Dr. Hill directly and addressed your concerns to him. You speak for many of us in asking for some consideration.

    My son and I chose to attend Priesthood Meeting and were glad we did.

    Lastly, where in the world would we be, if the Lord didn't allow us to serve him in spite of our weaknesses and short comings? I really appreciated your perspective on that.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 4:38 p.m.

    Qwest Perfected,

    You seem to have a chip on your shoulder regardng the Church. LDS General Conference is only carried by TV channels and radio stations that choose to put it on, usually as a public service and never under pressure from the Church. The Church only strives to make conference available to as many people as possible, both member and non-member. Just like we can choose to go to the game or not, you can choose to watch conference or not.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 4:22 p.m.

    I think some have missed the point. It isn't that the Utes don't need to follow the PAC 12 decisions on when to play, it isn't that BYU has played football in other locations during General Priesthood Meeting, it's that the local culture is being ignored. That is something that Vai points out would likely not happen in other situations by using examples that are Jewish so he can make his point.

    I personally found it interesting that the U of U Institute didn't say "Attend Priesthood Meeting and we'll record the game" but chose to say "Attend the game and we'll record Priesthood Meeting." But that's just me; maybe those who have to work to support holding the game in some fashion were appreciative that they could then afterwards see the recorded meeting.

    Not only are the Utes adjusting to the PAC 12, the PAC 12 ought to adjust to local culture. However, when that culture is LDS forget getting anything out of the PAC 12. Dr. Hill isn't about to ask the question to which he already knows the negative answer.

    Non-members can just ignore this little discussion and everything will be fine for them, I promise.

  • 93 COUGAR Orem, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 4:20 p.m.


    Nice article.

    It really is all about family.

    Now could you see what you can do about getting more of your family to attend BYU!

    Rise and Shout!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 4:01 p.m.

    I just enjoyed how bent all of the ute "fans" got over Vai's opinion.


  • runnerguy50 Virginia Beach, Va
    Oct. 7, 2011 3:43 p.m.

    I enjoy Vai's take, like me he lives in an area where LDSers are in the minority. Too many people can't accept a view that others don't share. East coast has many different cultures and its ok to have a differing view and say it

  • DRay Roy, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 3:25 p.m.

    Vai is being honest, though honesty does not excuse one's actions, it is the right way to approach life. I made a commitment to never work on Sundays if I could help it, as I saw many a good investigator fall away from interest due to being unable to attend church on Sundays, because of work, in Japan. I did work Sundays on two jobs I had after my mission, but under protest, and quit two jobs because of it, became a mailman because of it. I do have a problem with NFL players or any other profession that excuse themselves, but ask others to not work on Sundays. I also know of how faith builds in people, of repentance and forgiveness. I cannot condemn people for not keeping any commandment, just hope they would grant me the same consideration. Most believers, LDS, would see the hard truth in what Vai says and reports. We simply decare, "this is what I know God wills, and I cannot change it, I can only do my best to do it, and in human frailty admit, I often fall short." Doesn't change the truth of the doctrine. Keep working at living the truth.

  • Captain Caveman Provo, Utah
    Oct. 7, 2011 3:24 p.m.


    You seem to have a talent for getting people riled up. They all love you when you are singing to the choir, but disagree with them and it doesn't matter what color jerseys they like -- the ALL see red.

    Keep up the good work. It's nice to read your sincere points of view -- especially when I disagree with them. It allows me to step outside myself and see life through someone else's eyes.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 2:23 p.m.

    Dear Christoph. The Sabbath begins where you are, not where others are. Where they are is when their Sabbath begins. That is fairly simple to understand. I hope you can understand this simple explanation.

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 1:59 p.m.


    Thanks for the second article. I still don't understand why it is "ok" to play football on Sunday's anywere, but not in Utah.

    The reason that Miller wanted to avoid playing in Utah was because of economics. The Jazz would tend to have smaller crowds in some of their less meaningfull games. Miller didn't close his other businesses on Sundays. Nothing against Miller, but it wasn't a Church decision. It was an business decision.

    What difference is it to watch/play a game at home, at a utah stadium, or flying out of state? The Utes have a stronger fan base then the Jazz, but a larger stadium to fill. If the Utes fill their stadium on Sundays, they will continue to play on Sun. It will be a business decision.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 1:29 p.m.

    "Despite the sarcastic tone of Herby's post and as one who sometimes resorts to sarcasm, . . ."


    Your rant last week was full of sarcasm. Yet you seem surprised that so many people responded in-kind. It must be a rude awakening for a former Big Man On Campus -- to now pursue a career where you can dish it out but also have to take it. Welcome to the real world.

  • uteowl Sunnyvale, CA
    Oct. 7, 2011 1:27 p.m.

    Vai's answer on LDS players in pro sports mirrors the answer that Dale Murphy gave to my sons during a fireside back in '91 when he was with the Phillies. I'm also glad to hear that Hill at least discussed the GC issue and scheduling with the PAC12 powers. Hopefully they'll listen. Those of us not near campus don't have the advantage of tape delay of the PH session.

  • Mendel Iowa City, IA
    Oct. 7, 2011 1:22 p.m.

    9er4life: "So in this economy where unemployment is at 9.1% and you're offered a job which requires to work on weekends. And if you're currently unemployed and mormon and would have to take the job to pay bills, would this be looked upon negatively among those in your ward?"

    Not in my ward it wouldn't.

  • D'Anconia Providence, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 1:18 p.m.

    Similar to a job playing in the NFL, the University of Utah took a job in the PAC-12. Sunday play and general conference play came with the job. So players, coaches, and fans can quit and find another team if they don't like it, just as Vai could have found a career doing something else if he didn't want to play football on Sunday.

    The funny thing for me is that while I attended the priesthood session, my good friend, who is a devout member of the LDS church (much more devout than myself) and huge BYU football fan, hasn't been to a priesthood session in over 10 years! It's not a big deal. There is nothing sacred about it and the PAC-12 need not be sensitive to it either. In fact it may help Utah recruit LDS players if they know that there is an opportunity to get out of a boring two hour Saturday night meeting once a year!

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 1:18 p.m.

    @ Bastiatarian

    Not that it matters, but I did not go to the game on Saturday. However, I have better things to do on Saturday and the other 6 six days of the week than evaluating the migratory habits of Mormon football fans or players.

  • In Stitches Provo, Utah
    Oct. 7, 2011 1:15 p.m.


    Funny, funny stuff!


    I think it funny that mid-major So Cal boy would try and play the jealousy car with Vai. Has he never read any of Vai's stuff before or is he just trying to thump his scrawny chest?

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 1:12 p.m.


    It's ok to live your religion and do what's right for you, but please stop trying to control every aspect of life in Utah by using Mormonism!

    - Can you watch the NFL if you live in Utah? Of course! Even on Sunday.

    - Do you have to go to BYU if you live in Utah? Nope, but it is harder to get in than any school in the state.

    - Do you have to go to church if you live in Utah? You're parents may have made you, but "the church" or the state don't make you.

    - Do you have to read the Dnews, Vai and watch KSL in Utah? No, you don't.

  • Magic Man Draper, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 1:11 p.m.

    Vai, you conveniently left out answering why you brought up Utah playing during conference, but left out why you didn't say anything about past BYU football games played during Priesthood session. As an LDS member, I always found that puzzling. I also find it interesting that you called Chris Hill after writing your opinion piece instead of before. Maybe you could do an opinion piece on why BYU has played football games during Priesthood session and if it has hurt their recruitment of LDS athletes. I assume you would probably talk to Tom Holmoe before writing it?

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 1:10 p.m.


    It's ok to live your religion and do what's right for you, but please stop trying to control every aspect of life in Utah by using Mormonism!

    - You can't smoke in restaurants in Utah? Oh wait, California did that first.

    - You can't drink in Utah? Yes you can. Sadly, people are killed by drunk drivers coming home from bars and restaurants.

    - You have to be married in the Temple in Utah? No you don't.

    - You have to be married to live together in Utah? No you don't. You'd be less likely to split up if you got married instead of live together; less likely to divorce if you don't live together before marriage; more likely to stay married if you marry in the Temple, but you don't have to.

    - You can't shop or fish or hunt or play sports on Sundays if you live in Utah? Yes you can!

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 1:08 p.m.

    Vai says: "I've managed to offend Cougar Nation, Ute Nation and even some in the Polynesian community. I'm an equal-opportunity offender."

    I am sure this statement is "tongue in cheek" but really there is nothing offensive about having a differing opinion.

    I am glad that you speak your mind. I love your articles, and although I might see things differently, I enjoy reading your articles.

    Keep 'em coming!

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Oct. 7, 2011 1:07 p.m.

    I really enjoyed this article! Both Vai and Dr. Hill represent their institutions very well.

    You make a lot of good points about respecting the "dominant culture." But Utah is part of a larger group in the PAC-12. The "culture" therefore isn't in one state, its in the group.If the overall group wants to play games on Sunday or on General Conference weekends and you can't abide that, then why join the group?

    BYU needs to seriously consider this when they try to negotiate with a conference like the BIG-12. The dominate culture will not be centered around them. I think Dr. Hill has taken the right approach. He realizes that Utah is part of a larger culture now. He makes requests rather than demands. My guess is that over time some accommodation can be made without rancor.

    Good discussion Vai. I do enjoy your columns.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Oct. 7, 2011 1:06 p.m.

    Nice job putting the haters in their place with response to the jealousy comment. I wonder how you decided to choose which ones to respond to.

    I hope you and your kids relate to Elder Eyring when he always talks about his youthful days living in New Jersey and the extreme lack of LDS people around.

    Thanks for being a great member of the Church and an awesome BYU sports fan and writer!

  • Bastiatarian TUCSON, AZ
    Oct. 7, 2011 12:55 p.m.

    >It was a value judgement.

    Yes, and value judgments always tell us more about the person making that judgement than about what it being judged.

  • 9er4life Provo, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 12:51 p.m.

    So in this economy where unemployment is at 9.1% and you're offered a job which requires to work on weekends. And if you're currently unemployed and mormon and would have to take the job to pay bills, would this be looked upon negatively among those in your ward?

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 12:43 p.m.

    My opinion: The Deseret News has chosen to carry a Column by a conservative contributor - Vai. Vai chooses to share his opionions and perspectives primarily through the lense of his Latter Day Saint views. Vai also chooses to make sort of sensational comments that are designed to engage the readers and based on the number of commentators he is somewhat successful. In Utah, most folks are interested in commentaries like Vai's because it reflects many of their same values and that is okay, it attracts readers and that is what newspaper do the last I heard. Most of Vai's opinions reflect broader experience in sports than the average reader has which makes it informative. While I don't always agree with Vai, I appreciae his courage to take a stand for values that most DN readers relate to.

  • Everest American Fork, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 12:42 p.m.

    Vai gets misspelled so often when I type my comments on my auto-correcting "smart' phone. It thinks Vai should be turned into the actual word via. It also thinks BYU should be turned into buy. And it thinks Sikahema should be turned into sick human. A lot of diseases are transmitted VIA SICK HUMANs. A lot more good in the world is transmitted via VAI SIKAHEMA. Thanks Vai.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 12:39 p.m.

    Consider a scenario that is altogether possible. Suppose the Israeli women's basketball team came on an American tour in the fall. What are the odds that the hosting university would schedule a game on Yom Kippur, the holiest of the Jewish High Holy Days? Or even the Jewish New Year, Rosh Hashanah, which is not as important. Would the hosting university disregard that fact or would they make scheduling accommodations to avoid the conflict? It just seems to me we are often willing to bend over backwards for everyone else, but we're squeamish about making demands on issues that matter to us.

    Conference Saturday for Latter-day Saints is probably comparable to Rosh Hashanah, in that it's important but not as important as our Sabbath, or Yom Kippur, for Jews. The Church made accommodations last Saturday by tape delaying priesthood session in the U Institute, but it will never budge on Sundays.

    Well put by Vai, a classy thing for the LDS Church to do.

  • Carson Provo, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 12:39 p.m.

    It's ok to live your religion and do what's right for you, but please stop trying to control every aspect of life in Utah by using Mormonism!

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Oct. 7, 2011 12:35 p.m.

    @ christoph,

    I don't think Mormons are living the Law of Moses. It probably begins when they wake up on the Sabbath.

  • XelaDave Salem, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 12:34 p.m.

    This whole thing strikes me as the classic issue of desiring that people tell us what they think and speak truth then when they do it we are mortified and cannot accept it- we say this all the time about politcians and then the few that do open their mouth and really say what they think and not what the latest poll numbers tell them to speak we punish- congrats to Vai and Hill for sharing their thoughts and trying to be at least somewhat honest about things

  • DD JayMario American Fork, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 12:33 p.m.

    Vai I love your insights whether I agree or disagree with you. Keep on keeping on brotha.

  • Qwest Perfected Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 12:26 p.m.

    I don't understand this what so ever. I understand why byu would arrange their schedule in order to fit with their religous beliefs but the University of Utah is state run public school.

    I graduated from the U and I know there is a large percentage of mormons that make up the student body. If they had a religous conflict with the game then they could chose to not attend.

    The mormon church already puts their conference on national TV - interrupting regularly scheduled programing. At the same time that church owns at least a dozen channels of their own.

    It would be nice if you could look past your own beliefs to see how they effect others. The concept of separation of church and state is a good principle and should be followed by everyone - even the majority.

  • BlueSaint South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 12:21 p.m.

    It's amazing to me how a simple name like 'VAI', can be misspelled so many times!

  • Phil Coconutz WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 12:11 p.m.

    Vai, you do not share your email on here but I wanted to ask you to comment or write a column about the TCG gang. Alot of people dont understand it and i've seen comments on desnews and other places saying to deport these kids to the islands (even though they were born here) and comments that the church was wrong in converting and bringing islanders to Utah. Polynesians dont have a voice in this discussion in the media and I hope you can delve into it and explain to people about 2nd generation kids and that gangs have come from immigration from whites too like the Italian and Irish mafias. Thanks hope to hear from you on this!

  • Phil Coconutz WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 12:07 p.m.

    Vai, we are in Utah but we also have people that don't believe in what you believe in. BYU is a private school hence they can and do as they like. Chris Hill has to look at it with a view that he has both non and current LDS and its not fair to the students who dont believe in it either.

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 12:04 p.m.

    So what happens this winter when BYU basketball plays in the WCC on Espn at 9pm Saturday night tipoff on the West Coast and it is 10pm (Utah time) and the game goes passed midnight in Utah???????? It definitely will be past midnight for those watching in the Central time zone and for Vai back in Philly. When does the Sabbath begin???

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 12:02 p.m.

    You are an amazing writer. To have so many people "get it" is a real talent. You will always have those "haters" who will avoid getting it at all costs, just due to their inward, and even outward hate.

    They seam to have the attitude of, "Lord, forgive those who sin differently than I".

  • Bear Somewhere, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 11:58 a.m.

    Via's View is an opinion not law. Via has taken the time at the asking of the Deseret News to give his opinions on certain topics. While I don't agree with everything that he writes I have major respect for Via that he is willing to put his opinions out there to invoke our thoughts on these subjects. There is a comment board for you to express your opinions on these subjects and I commend Via for answering some of these concerns and giving us the reasons for his views. We all live our lives and base our opinions on our experiences and what we have been taught. Our opinions will always vary either greatly or slightly from those around us. We need to respect others opinions and realize they have a different view based on their life circumstances. We are only the judge on what is right for us and our minor children. Thanks for sharing your thoughts Via!

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Oct. 7, 2011 11:47 a.m.

    "Hill understood and respected my position" -- Vai

    Yet you didn't respect his last week, which a simple phone call could have resolved.

  • carabaoU Moab, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 11:46 a.m.

    Thanks, Vai, for the follow up. It is good to hear you took action on finding out some answers to your questions. Also, thanks for sharing your answers on our questions. A more perfect ending could not be done better in sharing that no matter the school color, family comes first.

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 11:40 a.m.

    Plenty of LDS priesthood holders I am sure decided to attend the game instead of watch the priesthood session live. It was a value judgement. It is not up to anyone to judge. Each individual has to look at their own heart and determine if they are good with divine providence. Everyone else needs to pay attention to their own business.

  • Ted H. Midvale, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 11:38 a.m.

    To my Vai's original story was suggesting we do all we can to try and make things workout with both sides, spiritual and temporal as we say.

    He mentioned the Larry Miller, even being a brand new owner, approached the NBA and pushed hard for special accomodations.

    My guess is that Vai had a 0% chance of moving NFL games to Thursday nights. Right?

    His whole point was just his belief that again Dr. Hill use his influence to do all he can do accomodate the circumstances. No one is suggesting Utah has to act like BYU in every way because many Utes are Mormons. Utah is not a religious school. No one is arguging that point. But to me Vai's point of doing what we can still applies.