patriot | 12:26 p.m. Oct. 3, 2011 Cedar Hills, UT "Jake
did much better under Anae and he might find himself doing great again under
Norm Chow."Its kinda funny how ute fans give Jake the business
about how he is over-rated and over-hyped and that he is mentally weak. But ask
any one of you if you would take him off our hands and it is a resounding
"YES". Is he good or not? U are sending mixed signals.
Just like U, always wanting it both ways.
@WyomingZoobright, wtih a sample size of three games against po dunk
teams. Great stat!
Isn't it fun to read that USU has the best quarterback in the State, that their
"offense" has lost the games when they were ahead late in the 4th
quarter and the "defense" was on the field, that Utah had a "bad
game" against UW but BYU is just plain crummy? Mike Sorensen is the best
Monday Morning Quarterback around and I'm sure he feels his article, which is
nothing more than a few casual observations and predictions, is the greatest
evaluation on all the teams. Well, W's and L's have always been the standard
and using that criteria, USU is no better than they've always been. Conference
Championship's are the next barometer and Utah isn't impressing anyone that in
this golden year of opportunity, due to USC's problems the Utes were going to
the Rose Bowl, suddenly looks like they might not be going to any bowl. Of
course everyone has to jump on the BYU quarterback situation because that's the
latest thing; they will be fine and Utah will always say they beat BYU 54 - 10
and achieved their highest goal for the season, immediately falling back on that
after losing 31 - 14 to UW at home.
"Although it didn't work last time, perhaps now that Heaps has a year of
experience, he can be effective not playing the whole game."If
anyone has watched the show Arrested Development, I hope this statement strikes
you as hilariously "Tobias" as I found it.Tobias on open
relationships: "No, somehow these people delude themselves into thinking it
will work, but it never does... but it MIGHT work for US..."
to the ute naysayers out there-check the facts:coming into the BYU
game UCF was #1 in the country with red zone offense, scoring 16 out of 16 trips
(with 12 tds and 4 fgs),they were #1 in pass defense, in the top 20 in
rush defense, top 5 in points allowed and #2 in total yards;so yes,
despite your crimson lenses, UCF was a good team statistically (near the top in
the country in several defensive categories), & in the top 25 at the end of
last season. & just like you feel the washington score was a
fluke- so was the utah/BYU score. If played again, I'm sure it'd be a much
closer game, even if utah did win (which I'm not overly convinced of- just like
UW and u).
"The Utes have weaknesses (plenty)we know that and acknowledge that, unlike
most Y fans."I would love for you to provide an example of a
Cougar fan who said that BYU has no weaknesses. If you find one person, then
find a second person; after all, if it is "most Y fans", as you claim,
that should be a piece of cake. I'm waiting.
What I can't believe is the lack of criticism for the Ute Coaching staff who for
some reason is unable to recruit any decent QB talent beyond Wynn. Utes are
banking on a guy that was recruited by 0 programs in D1. They got him in a
desperation move after D2 Nebraska Omaha folded their football program. Really? A PAC 12 "big time" school and that's the best they can
muster as a backup for Wynn?
Patriot, I believe Doman was the Quarterback Coach last year for Heaps. Anae
was the OC, but Doman still worked individually with Heaps. I have not been
impressed with Doman as the OC and would lay some of the blame for Heaps
struggles with him. Heaps has a long way to go to figure out the mental part of
Div 1 football. I have no doubts that Norm would be doing a better job of
coaching up Heaps. Norm has a tremendous amount of experience and knowledge in
working with QB's.
"What other team defeated one of the best offensive and defensive teams in
the nation in UCF"That is funny stuff. Really funny stuff.
UCF isn't even in the conversation for best unit in the nation on either side of
the ball. LOL!Isn't the best measure of which team is best
head-to-head performance?Utah beat BYU by 44 and BYU beat USU by a
Why do cougar fans think Utah would want their 110th-rated, over-hyped,
arrogant, loud-mouthed mama's boy? Utah wants 6'6", 210-lbs Travis Wilson.
End of story.
Striker:"It's hard to rank teams because they all play
different schedules, but...Edge: BYU"Silly frantic and
emotional coug. It's actually quite simple. 54-10! Edge: Utah!
I don't see Bronco benching Heaps for long.
@Strikerbwahahahahahahahahahaha! UCF is one of the best
offensive and defensive teams this year? thanks. You know, they changed the
comics section and dropped some of my favorites. Good to know I can still come
here and get a good laugh.
I will say this - Jake Heaps has all the physical tools to be great. His mental
game is suffering right now and the two responsible for that are Jake and
Brandon Doman. Jake did much better under Anae and he might find himself doing
great again under Norm Chow.
USU or SUU have the best starting QB right now. What other team won at an SEC
home field and finished the game and won it? What other team played at Texas,
controlled most of the game, and barely lost by one point (also note Texas is
undefeated and slaughtered all of their other opponents so far) ? What other
team defeated one of the best offensive and defensive teams in the nation in
UCF? This same team, yes, had a mental breakdown vs. Utah, but showed heart in
beating UCF and a great come from behind win vs. USU. It's hard to
rank teams because they all play different schedules, but here's how each team
has fared.BYU: Played 5 very tough opponents and is 3-2 (W: SEC, CUSA,
WAC)Utah: Played 3 very tough opponents and is 2-2 (W: BYU, FBS)USU:
Played 2 very tough opponents and is 1-3 (W: FBS)SUU: Destroyed UNLV and
only losses were close losses. 3-2Weber: Almost beat Wyoming and lost to
USU. Only Wyoming has a winning record of their 5 opponents. 2-3Edge: BYU
Riverton cougar -The funny thing is that it is not Ute fan (mostly)
who is proclaiming all summer how good we are and how we will go undefeated or
only have one loss etc.., with coaches who go on and on about how far ahead the
whole team is (so much so that they get multiple days off in camp - if I were a
Y fan I would want some accountability on that one). The Utes have
weaknesses (plenty)we know that and acknowledge that, unlike most Y fans.
Looks like Riverton Cougar is still smarting from the 54-10 wiping he cougars
took a few weeks ago.
Oh, the hypocrisy of Ute fans! They state in a matter-of-fact way that BYU has
peaked already, that Heaps is a bad QB, that there was nothing unusual about the
BYU-Utah game (7 turnovers is normal for BYU), Utah is CLEARLY better than BYU
(and would win every week if they played every week this season), BYU could not
be any better than they are now, BYU only wins games by luck (are worse than all
their opponents), etc.On the other hand, Utah CAN improve, Utah's
turnovers against Washington was a fluke, Utah is really better than all their
opponents, only loses by bad luck, and every week the team played only half as
well as they could (meaning if they really played as well as they could, they
would cream every opponent they played), etc.I know not all Ute fans
are like this, but please let's show some objectivity! Don't call the SDSU game
last year a blown call while saying the same thing at Utah was the correct call!
Don't say BYU lost despite turnovers (and a bad game), then say Utah was better
One thing is for sure. The coaches are not reading any of these posts and they
will all do what they think is best for their teams. The only controversy is at
BYU. Heaps did not improve much after the Utah game. He needed a big wake up
call. Nelson leading the team to a win against a good USU team after he was
replaced might be that wake up call.BYU has Nelson and Lark if Heaps gets
another chance and doesn't perform or decides to transfer. Heaps has had enough
chances that there is no surprise that he was pulled and he can't complain if
Nelson gets the start in the next game. I think Heaps will respond well
but he still needs to learn to be a leader.
If I am Heaps I get benched I 100% look to transfer. I can tell you this Norm
Chow would LOVE to have Heaps and develop him at Utah. Heaps is too good to be
on the Bench and Nelson is no division one stater for sure. I think this will
show what kind of coaches you have at the Y going forward. If Heaps is out then
I will say with 100% certainty BYU won't win more than 5 games this year or next
"if the Utes can't play better they won't win any PAC-12 games"Ah, but they can play better. They're not Rose Bowl bound, but they'll
win games this year. I'd rather play difficult opponents, win some,but drop a
few along the way then play cupcake after cupake and debate who should start at
QB ad nauseum.54-10 still brings a smile to my face as well.
Heaps may or may not have lost a lot of support from his team with his constant
chatter to the press, but it didn't help that he threw an interception, then did
nothing to even slow down the runner before he rambled 96 yards for 6 points in
the Ole Miss game.
Is Tomahawk Red in a parallel universe? Utah was "assured" of a win
at home over the 10 point underdog Huskies. Coach Whitt has it right, if the
Utes can't play better they won't win any PAC-12 games.
Big Hapa | 10:14 p.m. Oct. 2, 2011 Kaysville, UT "What
question, this program would be 4 & 0 ranked 13 or higher if Riley had been
the starter in the first place."There is no doubt about who
cane lead, who can bring the most out of his team mates, and who has the will
and drive to win Riley hands down."===Which four
games would this program have won, and what would have happened in the other
game?Hapa, you know the Poly world, and of course therefore, know
football. Tell us, if you were a DC, how hard would it be to prepare for a game
against Riley. How many yards would the guy get on QB draws. How would you
defend his fluttering passes.Seriously, any DC could shut down Riley
at QB by Mon Night.If Riley started against USU, he would have ran
for negative yardage, and been intercepted 4 times... (See how easy it is to
predict past performance that never happend except in your own head)?
I agree with many of the comments. Heaps has the skills to take BYU to the next
level he just has to figure out his head and find his fire.Heaps
should remain the starter but give him some competition and have a trigger to
put in Nelson if Heaps doesn't perform for a couple of drives.I
don't think Nelson is the full-game, tough-team solution. We have to remember
some of the games last year when Nelson just couldn't beat anybody with his arm.
A lot of worry from the peanut gallery over the utes. Nah, I am not too
worried. This pac-12 thing is going to take some time, but Utah will get there.
I appreciate that they never gave up, unlike another team I know of.....
I would start Heaps and bring in Nelson a lot more. Heaps is the starter,
Nelson comes in every once in a while to mix things up. I love Riley's fire but
I don't think he can take BYU very far when teams are game-planning for him.
Easy questions about which Cougs QB to start. With the exception of the TCU
& Hawaii game (at Hawaii), the cake-walk portion of the schedule starts
against San Jose State, just in time for Heaps to build some confidence. As
disappointing as he's been, I believe he'll start this Saturday, with Nelson
coming in relief, if necessary. I think Heaps gets "one more chance"
for this season to prove himself. IF he can have a realitively solid game
against the Spartans, that should boost his confidence going into future games,
as happened last year. The Cougs are looking at the following:San
Jose State (1-3)Oregon State (0-4)Idaho State (2-3)TCU
(3-1)Idaho (2-3)New Mexico State (2-3)Hawaii (3-2)I think a bigger issue is what's the condition of the locker room about Heaps.
I don't get the impression ol' Jake has endeared himself to a lot of teammates.
I read alot about Heaps tooting his own own; I don't hear the same coming from
If byU gives on Heaps, he's welcome to come over to the UofU and we'd be glad to
use his services!!! lol
riley had a great fourth quarter but one only has to go back to the air force
game last year to see that he can't be effective like that for the entire
game.texas showed that playing 2 quarterbacks can work, but what was
different with what they did is they stuck with the hot guy to finish the
game.as for utah, hays only looked good during garbage time, after
sark had called off the dogs. Ute running backs where all over rated coming into
the season. you can expect more of this past the season progresses. this is what
most people outside SLC had predicted for utah this year.
I am not a fan of Byu or Jake Heaps, but he has hit a lot of recievers in the
hands and they have dropped the ball. You can't blame the QB for that. I think
he bails a little to quick, but that can be corrected by the coaching staff. As
for Utah State, I think they need a new Offensive Cordinator, and a different
mind set, when the games get down to the end. Everybody knows that the ball is
going to go to Turbin, Why not use miss direction and maybe a Quarterback roll
out and a pass. The Defenses react so quick to a dominate player, miss direct
them. Coach Anderson is doing a GREAT job, he and the players need all of the
support that they can get.
Southern Utah has the best QB in the state.
Great article by Mike Sorenson. Questions we all have are listed, and its nice
to see someone articulate them. Texas showed the Cougars 3 QB's and they won by
going with the "hot" one that day...maybe such competition would bring
out the best in Y's top 3 QB's? Anderson has mismanaged his offensive arsenal,
and the team paid in loses. Utah may be longing for the old MT WEST conference
now...SUU/WSU represent the state well, show its not always the most celebrated
QBs that do the best on the next level of play.
Edit for clarity:I said: "As a musician, if I was only as good
as I was at the beginning of my sophomore year, then I'd be in trouble! I'm
guessing it's the same for most of you guys."I mean: "As a
musician, if right now I was only as good as......"I realized
how confusing that sentence seems.
Heaps is not doing well right now. Nobody is arguing that. However, he WILL
get better! I agree with giving Nelson or Lark playing time when Heaps is down;
it shows Heaps that he needs to earn the spot (no tenure in sports), and it
gives BYU a better chance to win.Don't judge him by a few weeks at
the beginning of his sophomore year in college. As a musician, if I was only as
good as I was at the beginning of my sophomore year, then I'd be in trouble!
I'm guessing it's the same for most of you guys.
Anderson has a history of blowing leads -- at two local schools.Heaps start? No. Start Riley, give Lark reps in practice for a couple weeks,
reassess after a couple games, put the full-court press on Chase Hansen.The Utes' season is up in the air right now.
Time to start, Nelson.Usually I'd say he's nowhere near as accurate
as Heaps, but lately Heaps has been anything accurate. Plus, Heaps hasn't shown
any real fire for quite some time this season.Over pride and an L or
humility and a W, I'll take the W.
Although the win/loss column does not show it, Utah State is the best team in
the State...period.Heaps just needs to grow up and mature some...he
is what, three/four years younger than Riley. Although Keeton is a true
freshman and does play with alot of maturity.The only real plays
that Riley ran correctly were the designed quarterback draws...the rest were
broken plays...he does have the ability to run around and find other options,
but BYU can not make a season based on broken plays and miracle catches in the
inzone.Continue to develop Heaps...
What question, this program would be 4 & 0 ranked 13 or higher if Riley had
been the starter in the first place.There is no doubt about who cane
lead, who can bring the most out of his team mates, and who has the will and
drive to win Riley hands down.Jake needs to learn from Riley and
witness first hand what it means to play with composer, focused determination,
fight for every yard and never quit.Riley is a footballer all day
long baby, all day long.
Anderson has the Aggies playing better overall than they have for a long time.
It seems like responsibility for the losses to Auburn and Colorado State has to
be at least shared by the special teams coaching effort, which right now doesn't
seem to be a strong point. But all the games have been close enough that a
little improvement in any of several areas would have made the difference.
Keeton. Best quarterback in the state deserves to have his name spelled
correctly, yes?And Heaps should transfer, repair his reputation, get
a do-over. Hopefully, he'd have learned to avoid speaking to the press, develop
touch passing skills, taking hits in live practice sessions against first-team
D.... at this rate, no way he wins a Nat'l Championship @ BYU-provo or gets a
sniff from any NFL franchise.
Once teams are able to game plan for Nelson and his running ability, he will
become less effective because they will force him to beat them with his arm.
His arm isn't as good as Heaps, but then again, Heaps hasn't been accurate
either, so its probably a toss up now, with a slight edge to Riley because he is
mobile and can make things happen.
KEETON....sheesh. Best QB in the state, get the correct spelling.And
I hope Heaps transfers b/c he needs to start (his FB career, reputation) anew.
Hopefully, he'd have learned to avoid speaking to the press, develop touch on
his passes, and take some hits during live practice. Doubtful at this point
he'll win a Nat'l Championship or get drafted by any NFL team, esp. @ BYU-Provo.
Riley! Riley! Riley!He showed leadership, talent & heart! Thats what we need!
Heaps may be more talented, but sometimes it takes more than talent. Detmer
wasn't the most physically gifted qb, but he was intense and smart. Kellen
Moore at Boise State doesn't have the greatest physical talent either, but he
can flat out play and knows how to pick a defense apart. Nelson
brings leadership, maturity, mobility, and intensity to the table. The BYU
offense responded to him differently than Heaps. And he found a way to win the
game. That speaks volumes. Heaps may be the future, but let's worry about this
season now. Nelson has earned the starting job.
Gotta laugh at the question: Will Utah win another game without Wynn?Classic Des News overreaction. And a ridiculous notion.Is it
possible that Utah loses the rest of their games? Of course it's POSSIBLE.
There's just a better likelihood of winning the lottery.Oregon State
at home is almost a slam dunk, with or without Wynn. So is Colorado.Hays, while he fumbled and threw a pick, impressed me last night. I didn't
expect anything out of Hays when he was put into the game. But once he got
comfortable, he looked good. Especially on the last garbage time TD drive...
when he showed that he has the accuracy to make completions.John
White struggled a bit yesterday, but he will be back. So, in spite of this
article's ludicrous implication that Utah's run game is dead, we most certainly
WILL be able to rely on our run game for the rest of the season.Go
ahead, D News. Pile it on. Utah will compete this season, and it will be great
to see the crimson on your faces when all is said and done.
I think Nelson has earned a shot at starting, no question about it. Give him the
reigns this next game and see what he does. If he doesn't produce much better
than Heaps, give Lark a look. With the pressure, lack of fan support, and
apparent lack of teammate support, I don't think Heaps can be BYU's QB for the
next 2 yrs and expect to be successful. He has had a real legitimate shot at
starting QB. I just don't see the potential. I am sure he would do well against
the upcoming patsies, but we need to start preparing somebody who can lead the
team for the upcoming games with TCU, OSU, and Hawaii.
I really don't think that Heaps is the future for BYU. He came out of HS as one
of the top 3 QB's in the nation and BYU landed him. So far, he really hasn't
worked out for BYU. High school was easy and now college ball is just too
difficult for him right now. Maybe there is some bad chemistry between him and
the other guys, who knows. What I do know is this, when Riley came into the
game, the team stepped it up like I haven't seen before. The players were
playing all out for Riley and knew that he could win the game for them. I'll
bet the players won't respond like that for Heaps anytime in the near future.
If he decides to transfer, let him. I think he has lost his fan base anyways.
BYU recruits 6-8 QB's every year and everything will be just fine. Riley and
his back up Lark can take charge for the rest of the year and salvage a decent
season without Heaps.
One more change please. Why cant the center snap the ball back quickly rather
than the floater that costs the QB a half count on every play. To me, to really
affects the timing of the plays.As for Heaps, he doesnt have it with
regard to the mental approach to the game. He doesnt throw with touch,
telegraphs his throws, and doesnt quickly check down to 2 or 3rd recievers. Did
I mention that he gets "crazy eyes" whenever the gets pressured? He
has to work on all of that. Unfortunately, he cant do that from the bench. I thought Nelson was a Senior. Last report was that Lark was also
playing better than Nelson. It looks like it could be some type of sharing time
again. This could end up very messy. Hope Heaps takes his medicine and
dedicates himself to improving his play rather than pouting or taking his ball
and going home.
Utah State "is not over achieving" they merely are snake bitten! Maybe
a little to conservative late in games but overall they have made terrific
strides the past couple of years and now have a QB to build around for the
future, they should continue to grow to equal what a great basketball program
they have had forever. Go Ags.
I believe BYU has to continue to start Jake. He is our starter. But as Veracity
said, keep him on a short leash and if hes not moving the offense/scoring td's
he needs to sit. The qb has to be able to make decisions on the fly
and it doesnt seem like Jake is capable of doing that right now. Who knows how
many plays Doman called that Riley actually ran like it was meant to be ran. He
made really good decisions in real time and thats why he was successful.
Heaps is still the future...work with him, start him, but do not be afraid to
pull him and insert Riley if he is not producing...Heaps needs to have a sense
of urgency buy not wound so tight with emotion.
I would hope that BYU is smart enough to pick a starter and not go with the two
quarterback system again which proved to be an utter failure last year. They
should keep playing Nelson as long as he is effective. Heaps is still the
future but has shown that he is not yet mentally prepared to lead the team where
it matters most, on the field.As far as USU goes, I think Anderson
has them overachieving big time. The late game let downs can be attributed to
lack of athleticism and depth.Utah's made their bed and now must
sleep in it. I would not be surprised to see them miss a bowl game this year.
The only question is how quick the newly acquired band wagon fans run for
greener pastures? I guess there's a chance they'll show up for the champion
caliber womens gymnastics. They sure won't have much else to root for.