Brad Rock: Life in Pac-12 as rough as Kyle Whittingham anticipated

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  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    Oct. 3, 2011 5:05 p.m.

    Utah will learn and get better. BYU's Kyle W. is a great coach for the U. and he'll measure what is wrong with the Ute system and talent and improve against better competition. Eventually, they will constantly compete well.

    BYU will also improve. Their cupcakes in the upcoming weeks will build some confidence so the above average players will get their timing down and be ready for the better teams. If they stay independent, they'll improve and compete. That is the nature of sports and competition.

    Anyone who makes a sweeping declarative statement that either program is mire in mediocrity just doesn't understand competition in athletics.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Oct. 3, 2011 1:33 p.m.

    This is an article about Utah football and the PAC 12 but most of the posters are BYU fans. Just can't get the big boys and that drubbing you took from the Utes, 54-10, out of your heads can you. And your excuses for commenting on this article are pretty lame when most of you state that it is because of what the Ute fans had to say after the 54-10 blow out. Well, I read everyone of those comments after the Utah vs BYU game and almost every comment from a Ute fan was in response to the constant drum beating all summer long how BYU was going to put a beat down on Utah on September 17th.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 3, 2011 12:15 p.m.

    @ bradleyc | 6:37 p.m. Oct. 2, 2011
    Layton, UT

    Yup, and for decades to come.

    Oct. 3, 2011 10:21 a.m.

    I think what tripped the predictions of prognosticators up is the fact that Utah had a pretty good record against the Pac 10 as a member of the MWC. The difference is that it's tougher for coaching to bridge the gap in level of play on a week to week basis as opposed to preparing for a game against a Pac 10 team every now and then. Before everyone quits on him, Whittingham is a great coach. This is going to take some time though.

    The real problem for Utah getting off to a slow start could be with recruiting. I expected Pac 12 affiliation to give them at least an initial boost. Currently, Scout shows them sitting with a class ranked in the high sixties.

    Rankings don't mean everything but, I don't think laying a (4-8) egg for example is going to help improve upon that number. The back half of the Pac 12 recruits in this range as well but, to consistently compete with the top Utah is going to have to do better. It will be interesting to see what demolishing BYU did to help though.

  • Dand_Ute WEST JORDAN, UT
    Oct. 3, 2011 9:02 a.m.

    I hate the "Ifs and Buts" game, but... How different is this game if Utah scores instead of turning the ball over on those two early drives. Washington is now playing from behind, and maybe becomes a little more one dimensional. When you're playing from behind like the Utes were, the game changes. Hopefully we can get the mistakes corrected, and move forward. I don't think the Utes are done by any means. Keep working hard and they will get there! Go Utes!

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Oct. 3, 2011 12:10 a.m.

    I think we all knew it would be tough. But there's no looking back. I would rather go through seasons like this and have the wins really mean something than spend another year in the MWC and go 12-0 regularly.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 2, 2011 7:29 p.m.

    Ricardo Carvalho

    Rationalize it any way your want to, but Washington is not a strong team. They have struggled this year and were a 10 point underdog at Utah. Utah-BYU and Washington-Utah: same script just different teams.

  • bradleyc Layton, UT
    Oct. 2, 2011 6:37 p.m.

    Not to worry Utah. Your bowl game was in Provo. The season was a success right?

  • whatnext Clearfield, Utah
    Oct. 2, 2011 6:30 p.m.

    I did not see the game and wish I had because I am a big BYU fan. But I do want to see Utah do well in the PAC 12 because weather they agree or disagree, they still represent all the schools in the non BCS conferences who think they belong. Because of that fact, I wish the Utes well and hope they win the rest of your conference games. Go Cougars.

  • AntelopeValleyUte Palmdale, CA
    Oct. 2, 2011 6:28 p.m.

    The Utes definitely have the talent to compete in the Pac-12, IMO, the problem is coaching! Look at Boise St, TCU, and Urban Meyers two year coaching stint at Utah. He immediately turned the football program around and into a up and coming powerhouse. Coaching is what disciplines players to play smart, well disciplined football. COACHING is key to success! Utes coaching is good, not great. Hope they can turn this thing around fast and not just the quarterback position, but the overall team play. Go UTES!

  • TheTruth801 Sandy, UT
    Oct. 2, 2011 5:57 p.m.

    For years in Utah I have heard by both BYU and Utah fans that the Pac-10 (now 12) was overrated. Now that you know what those of us that have grown up in Pac-10 territory and are Pac-10 grads know, is this still an overrated conference? Utah destroys BYU and BYU barely beats a middle of the pack WAc team in Utah State. College football in Utah this year is bad. Now with Wynn hurt, maybe the Utes will recruit a little more depth at QB. You guys wanted to play with the big boys and you got it. All teams go through cycles of great teams and average to below average teams. There are no more UNM, UNLV, Wyomings in this league so I suggest that college football fans in Utah slow down on their evaluation on what is and what isn't overrated.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Oct. 2, 2011 5:32 p.m.

    I say the Utes beat UCLA, Oregon State, CU for sure.

    I say the games with Pitt, WAZZU, CAL, Arizona and Arizona State are toss-ups.

    If the Utes can win two of the toss-ups I guess they can go to a bowl with a 7-5 record.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Oct. 2, 2011 5:24 p.m.

    I'm pretty sure when the Utes went undefeated in 2004 and 2008 they won the outright conference championship.

  • kreese Taft, CA
    Oct. 2, 2011 4:54 p.m.

    Washington may be an "average" team, but Sarkesian is an above average coach. He did a good job calling plays....his play-calling kept Utah off-balance.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Oct. 2, 2011 4:36 p.m.

    What is to look forward to during a PAC-12 basketball season? More futility twice a week? I don't get it. State the nature of your position my friend. :)

  • CWEB Orem, UT
    Oct. 2, 2011 4:33 p.m.

    I'm sad for the BYU connections at Utah--Love Whit--love Sitake--etc...

    But hey, for all the years BYU was playing the Washingtons and the Miamis and the Georgias...and often Ute fans made a big deal, and still do...

    Fine. I enjoyed--very much, watching you play like nuts. Yes, you are in the conference, and yes, you "could" play in the Rose Bowl, but...

    Will you? Not likely. Not likely. Enjoy your pie.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Oct. 2, 2011 4:20 p.m.

    Who are the two teams Utah will beat? Won't be Pittsburg, won't be ASU, won't be UCLA or California or Washington State.... Won't even be the lowly dogs of Colorado. After watching 4 games I would say that if there is a guaranteed win it is only against winless OSU. Oh, could it be Arizona? Arizona and Oregon State? Yeah! What a dynamite socks knocking off season! Thanks Utes!

    To say that other conferences will even pay a lick of attention to how poorly Utah does this season in making their decision to expand with non-AQ schools is simple ignorance at its finest.

  • Ricardo Carvalho Provo, UT
    Oct. 2, 2011 4:10 p.m.

    Washington is a strong team. The U had an off game. If Wynn can recover, the U will be ok I suspect. If not, the introduction to the PAC-12 will be frustrating. Here is hoping that Mr. Hays will mature in hurry!

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Oct. 2, 2011 3:53 p.m.

    Now that everyone is "paying attention" as a result of watching the UTES get worked by Washington;


    Oregon and Stanford represent the Gold Standard, of the PAC-12.

    When Jim Harbaugh was the HC, at Stanford, Stanford won every game, every year.


    Jim Harbaugh came to Stanford, from the University of San Diego, in 2007.

    Prior to the 2007 season, Stanford enjoyed the following success:

    2003 4-7
    2004 4-7
    2005 5-6
    2006 1-11

    Harbaugh's record, at Stanford, was as follows:

    2007 4-8
    2008 5-7
    2009 8-4
    2010 11-1

    Harbaugh was in his fourth season, in the PAC-12, before he enjoyed the type of success all schools work hard to obtain.

    It will take UTAH, at least, 3 years to have a reasonable shot at getting back to the 10+ win seasons of the past 5 years.

    4-8 this year, followed by 6-6, followed by 8-4 would be a realistic progression of expectation.

    If the team surprises fans by exceeding expectations, so much the better.

    Support the coaches and team while they are building to become competitive in the PAC 12.

    GO UTES!

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 2, 2011 2:07 p.m.

    We knew the Pac 12 would be tough, but we can still have success. A few prayers for John Hays right now wouldn't hurt.

  • wyoming cougar Green River, WY
    Oct. 2, 2011 1:05 p.m.

    @ pac 10.2 loves u:

    Yes, but playing in any bowl game is better than no bowl game at all. (But I guess your bowl game this year was beating BYU, right? Just like back in the good old days).

    I didn't see the game, but it sounds like it was extremely similar to the BYU game, but the utes were on the wrong end of this one. An early turnover for a score, then 2 more turnovers on good drives, even deep in enemy territory. Then in the 2nd half the defense ends up spending the whole half on the field, and gets run over.

    I think both of utah's last 2 games could be replayed, & both would end up being closer games (maybe the same team losing, but not in blowout fashion). Sometimes things just all go wrong.

    After the comments from utah fans and players after the BYU game, all I can say is that it's nice when what goes around, comes around.

    Oct. 2, 2011 12:20 p.m.

    I was surprised when I saw Utah fans, and worse even Utah reporters, think Utah was going to just waltz into the Pac and win the South. Granted, Utah has the easiest conference schedule, but this is not the MWC. See you in SF where you get another dose of reality. Go Bears!

  • Beaver Springville, UT
    Oct. 2, 2011 12:00 p.m.

    @BigRich....and guess what....Arizona has never been to the Rose Bowl and ASU has been there 2 times....Last time in 1997.

  • niuhi SEATTLE, WA
    Oct. 2, 2011 11:57 a.m.

    Ha Ha, no I'm not laughing at your Utes loss, but the fact that all the bantering is between Utah football faithful.

    Welcome to the world of big conference football and the Pac 12. We may not be the strongest conference this year, but we certainly are a good and storied one. The Utes will win games and they will lose some, and perhaps not even to the ones they are supposed to. You will find a weird parity in the Pac 12 where any team can provide a whipping to another member regardless of record on any given day.

    UW may be middle of the pack in some peoples eyes, but from where they were before Sark arrived I would say they are on their way back to UDUB football of old, so getting beat on shouldn't make Utahs fans feel any less than the new kid on the block.

    Welcome to your first conference spanking and enjoy life in the Pac 12

  • PAC 12 loves U Sandy, Utah
    Oct. 2, 2011 10:34 a.m.

    @ BlueSaint

    "Seeing that the Utes hadn't won a outright Conference championship while being a member of the WAC and MTN West in like 50+ yrs, I don't expect them to see ROSES anytime soon."

    Umm..... Utah won an outright conference championship in 2003, 2004, and 2008. Where have you been? 3 conference titles in recent years. Utah will win a Pac-12 championship and smell the roses as soon as we get the depth and talent needed to compete with the upper teams in the conference. It will be few years to recruit that talent, but I know Utah has the best coaches in the conference.

    At least Utah is in a league where they have an opportunity to play in a Rose Bowl, unlike that certain team down south that can only play for a Helicopter Bowl, next year the Macaroni and Cheese Bowl.

  • holecowblue WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Oct. 2, 2011 10:21 a.m.

    How hard is it to go from a big fish in a small pool (mwc) to a little minnow in the ocean (pac12)? Stay tuned.

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 2, 2011 10:19 a.m.


    Utah won outright conference championships in 2004 and 2008. Your memory must be real bad.

    As for the Utes, they will compete in the Pac-12. This year could turn out to be a learning experience but it is still great to be in the Pac 12. You have to play better teams to be a better team.

    To say WA is middle of the PAC, may be an understatement. It is still too early to know. It sure was great hosting them at RES. I love the better quality of teams the Utes will be playing week in and out. Give me tough schedules every year.

    It is great to be a Pac 12 Ute! To all the haters, enjoy your envy.

    Go Utes!

  • BigRich Orem, UT
    Oct. 2, 2011 10:06 a.m.

    I can remember when ASU and U of A went into the Pac12. It was several years before the programs built up enough to be competitive. Be patient Utah. If BYU goes to the Big 12, they'll have a few years to look forward too.

  • cougarfanmd Price, UT
    Oct. 2, 2011 9:30 a.m.

    A bit of karma? Didn't Wynn say "that's like a video game" describing BYU's 7 turnovers against Utah? Looks like Washington prepared by playing the same video game. Were the Utes diluted enough to believe the BYU game was anything more than a fluke? (not that they won, just how the game went) Best as I can tell, the games were eerily similar. Utah is not as bad as they showed. Washington is not as good as they showed. Anything can happen on any given Saturday. I do wish the Utes good luck in the Pac-12 and feel they're better than they've shown. I want success for all Utah football. But I can't say I feel bad about yesterday's loss given their arrogant comments following the Y game. Karma anyone?

  • Bottom Line Draper, UT
    Oct. 2, 2011 9:09 a.m.

    Next week is a critical game. A loss against ASU and the wheels will be off.

  • AFCoug Colorado Springs, CO
    Oct. 2, 2011 8:30 a.m.

    As a BYU fan I was hoping the Utes did well this season (and they still might) but it doesn't look good. I wanted them to show that many non-bcs teams could make an impact in the big conferances. How the Utes do could effect whether other BCS conferances invite non-bcs schools to join them in the future.

    All that said I was glad to see the Utes get a piece of humble pie after their fans became so arrogant two weeks ago. Pretty hard to do anything with that many turnovers in a game. Take into consideration BYU had two more and the differance is about the same. Here's hoping they can bounce back though just as BYU did and make it to a bowl. I think the conferance championship is now out of the question.

  • Laser Iowa City, IA
    Oct. 2, 2011 8:03 a.m.

    The season is over for Utah, the may not even go bowling. The defense got shredded by a average offense and the offense has never really had a motor this year. Wynn out, seasons over. Maybe a win over OSU.

  • BlueSaint South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 2, 2011 7:22 a.m.

    Seeing that the Utes hadn't won a outright Conference championship while being a member of the WAC and MTN West in like 50+ yrs, I don't expect them to see ROSES anytime soon.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Oct. 2, 2011 7:06 a.m.

    "Washington is only a middle of the pack team in the PAC-12."

    ...yes they are...but with Sarkesien at the helm they are rising very fast from where they were two years ago. Utah's loss yesterday was to a very improved Huskie team. UCLA will be the only South PAC team that won't be a real challenge to the Utes. If Wynn is lost for the season then even they will be too.

  • 1Infidel APO, AE
    Oct. 2, 2011 5:28 a.m.

    With schools like Washington, Washington St., UCLA, USC, and UA, all touted as big boys, to compete against on a regular basis, I bet the UofU and Colorado both wished standings were listed alphabetically instead of by wins and losses....

    There's always next year for that Big-12 championship, i guess?

  • Moog Wasatch/Heber, UT
    Oct. 2, 2011 5:19 a.m.

    Tough loss for Utah. Can't wait for Basketball season in the PAC 12.