@Webercatbasketball Your point contradicts itself. If its possible to get D1
offers at Waterford, then why would he transfer for basketball? And ya his
brothers remained there. because one is in 6th grade and the other is in 10th.
they don't have to drive to school, their mom drives for them. they don't yet
have the classwork and home work load that eric did. Do you know what type of
homework is at waterford? I do. I went there. It's hard. I remember going to bed
at 12 every night and waking up at 5 45 to go to seminary. You had 3 hour
basketball practice into the mix and you do the math.@bjl and don't
say that Mika's parents didn't do the right thing. That's terrible. Your comment
should have gotten denied. How are they not doing the right thing? They are
doing the thing that was best for their son's health and wellbeing.
Does anyone know why Clark was allowed to transfer. I heard the coach at South
Sevier was suspended for 5 game because of undo influence. This doesn't make
If you don't let Eric Mika play in Lone Peak. Eric obviously being a star
player. Then you shouldn't let Austin Clark play in South Sevier. Obviously
another star player. Think about it...Lone Peak took state in the 5A
classification and South Sevier took state in the 2A classification. Ultimately
and very obvious two star players move to schools with winning basketball
programs, but one is allowed to play!!!!!!!!!
I truly, honestly don't know how I feel about this. However, I would like to
clarify a couple of things. It was stated "The only reason that UHSAA is
stopping this move is because it is a good basketball player." This is just
not true. A reason, perhaps not the ONLY one that it was denied, is that the
siblings REMAINED AT WATERFORD. Regarding the comments about D1 offers and only
getting an opportunity if Mika plays at Lone Peak: remember Neal Monson?
Graduated Waterford two years ago, played summer AAU ball for an elite Utah
program? Full ride to the University of Utah! The fact is, if these kids are
good enough to play AAU ball against the top recruits in the nation and perform
well on a national level, they are going to garner scholarship offers and
opportunities (a 2A and 3A kids have proven this the past two years and I am not
talking Utah AAU tournaments). Do I think this was for basketball, yes. Should
it be allowed? I do think if the siblings transferred also, yes. As it is, I
really don't know.
i find this sad!! He has a legit reason for transfering and applied in june
before he was even playing for Lone Peak! Are you kidding me that your gonna
take away a kids eligibility?! Plus its just going to hinder him in his
recruiting! He is already talking with teams like Utah State and his ambition is
to go to BYU. He's just trying to transfer to his home high school to make
things easier for hime and his family! why dont we make everyone have to apply
for a transfer to go to their home town high school then?! this is really messed
up! if Lone Peak wasnt already good there would be no problem but since they are
you are punishing this kid!
Timp (and others...)The only way for the private schools to be included in
High School Sports is to set up these transfer rules. If this was about two
public schools it would be no different. If this player had started playing
basketball at say Orem High should he be able to come back to Lone Peak whenever
he feels like it because it is his "home boundry" school? The correct
answer here is NO--(just in case you are tempted to say yes). The transferring
for athletic reasons in Utah is out of hand and while there are still problems I
commend the USHAA for taking steps to stop these type of transfers. This is the
correct outcome and I hope this family is willing to live with this decision...
because they knew full well that these were the rules before they transferred
back to Lone Peak.
I would be upset if that was my kid.. Their family should have the right to
have their son play (if not playing in the private school) to play for a public
school in their boundary. UHSAA is ridiculous.
this is so stupid! UHSAA end this madness! close the "open enrollment"
fiasco and install the play in your boundaries. Make any private school who uses
kids from other districts play enrollment +1 and that's that!
If lp was not any good at hoops, he would not have transferred. Guaranteed! he
transferred for basketball. He should have to sit out a year.
I guess what frustrates many is what actually gets enforced and what doesn't. I
am all for play where you live but when you have so many exceptions you might as
go laissez-faire and let everything go because you're not far from that right
i used to have a boy who played baseball for LP. from what i understand otteson
had three hearings before he got his story right enough for UHSAA and got
approved. mika needs some lessons from otteson on how to play the system.
The minute this athlete attented the basketball try outs as a 9th grader he had
made his decision to establish his athletic eligibility at Waterford. Doing so
he forfeited the right to play at ANY other school (Private OR Public...yes even
his home boundry school!) without sitting out a year. You can apply for an
exception to this rule under the "hardship" clause. He did and it was
found that his reasons did not meet this requirement. Case closed. Please
remember that NO ONE is stopping him from attending school at Lone Peak..they
are just not letting him play basketball this season. ...he will still be
allowed to get an education. And he can still play basketball all he
wants--just not with the Lone Peak team. Everyone needs to stop acting like he
is being denied some inalienable right! He will be just fine--and will be able
to play College Ball as well. Don't make this bigger then it is.
It looks like the Lone Peak coach needs to take some lessons from the south
sevier coach. UHSAA will never be consistent with their rulings, until they
set a standard and abide by it. I bet you anything the Lone Peak Coach has had
a beef with the panel members. I hope the Mika kid gets a good lawyer and
Enjoyed reading the article. Seems like a bit of inconsistancy in making
decisions by the UHSAA. Kids get to transfer by moving into boundaries,
transfer when you dont' live in the boundaries but some kids don't get to
transfer who actually live in the HS boundary. Doesn't make sense to me.
Should be a great basketball season. That LP team still should be okay, 5 state
titles in the last 11 years, including last year and a win over WJ in the
tournament. That should speak to who is the best coach in the state.
Boy--so many posts that seem to say---"Sure, it's probably a little bit
shady and it's not really in the best interest of the kid, but big deal! Let the
kid play sports!" I commend the commission for making a tough decisions
(probably seeing and hearing information the average reader can't) and being
better parents than the Mika's. Too many people apologize for and make special
accomodations for kids who have the ability to entertain us adults with their
athletic ability. That isn't what school is about and it's really not what high
school sports is supposed to be about. This is supposed to be about a kids high
school experience and that involves being an adult.
All of you that guarantee Mika will be playing at LP this year have no clue what
the process is all about. He has already had his two hearings and has been
denied so that is it. The only way he has a sliver of a chance is if they sue
the UHSAA which they won't. Get a clue people before you run your guarantees
uhsaa has too much authority and uses it randomly. it is time to fire them.
let the kid play, quit being a baby UHSAA. these two cases, lone peak and south
sevier make absolutely no sense when this state has open enrollment.
interesting: lie and get approved. tell the truth and get denied. wow.
@ucbballfanYou are right about the difference between Mika's case
and the S.Sevier case, but you may not know how it came to be that way. The
mother knew they were moving and tried to enroll him in S.Sevier before the end
of the year and called to check with UHSAA about correct procedures and was told
by UHSAA NOT to enroll him but to wait until the fall. Coach Hunt, (wanting to
make sure the mother didn't misunderstand the advice given to her and to make
sure things were done by the book) called the UHSAA himself and was told the
exact same thing by the same person and that there was no problem with the kid
playing with S. Sevier in the summer and then enrolling there in the fall. Their
advice did sound reasonable to have him finish out his year. Hindsight is
20/20. Who would think that the UHSAA would tell them how to handle it and then
tag Coach Hunt for undue influence because the did exactly what UHSAA advised
them to do. I hope Hunt appeals, and I hope UHSAA does the right thing and
clears his name.
So the UHSAA has denied another American Citizen from playing HS basketball in
their association, of which they have a monopoly? Anybody who sticks up for this
atrocious transfer rule is insane. Let kids play, let kids go to schools where
they feel comfortable. They still have to go to class, right? They still have to
get a 2.0, right? That's all that should matter. But playing God and denying
opportunity is flat out outrageous.
absolutely right @ basketball
Some of you guys are such charlatans. I go to Waterford. I'm in Eric's grade.
I've known Eric since 4th grade. Fourth grade. Did you hear that? 4th grade! He
went to Waterford in 4th grade. How / why would his parents put him in waterford
for basketball in 4th grade? When Waterford isn't even good at basketball? They
didn't. He went to Waterford to get an education. And to those of
you that said that his parents are pulling him out of a great great school.
Yeah, have you ever sent your kids to waterford? During middle school? High
school? I seriously doubt you have. You have NO IDEA what the time commitment
is. Early morning seminary. wake up at 5 30 every morning. go to bed at 11 45
every night.And then to work out and practice and play games? that's
so much work. You have no idea what's it like to do that much
homework and try to get college looks for athletics. You don't know. Don't
pretend you do.
Tough call and some good points raised. It does look like the young man wanted
to be able to play immediately at a great private school and now that he has
grown and can play with the best, that is the new approach. Definitely don't
think he was officially recruited but Lone Peak did need a center and all of a
sudden they have one. The fact that the siblings are attending Waterford still
does raise a red flag. Not sure if they are athletes. Agree that should have
known the situation at Waterford before going there. Will be interesting to see
how this plays out.
I don't understand, So does the kid go back and play with Waterford while he
attends Lone Peak?I really think this sucks for this Kid. Lets not
lie he has basketball offers for college and will receive more offers by playing
for LP. They travel back East for Tournaments and receive alot of exposure for
basketball. He will not receive as many scholarship offers if he plays for
Waterford. As parents we try and do the best for our kids and give
them every opportunity to succeed in life. They sent him to Waterford for the
education and want to send him to LP for the Basketball Exposure why not. The
UHSAA may have hurt this kids chances of receiving a scholarship because they
want to make High School sports fair.Life is not fair, kids like
this are better and will have opportunities others will not because of his
talent. Live with it.UHSAA needs to be careful because guys like
Loveridge, Jackson, Haws, Emery, Mika will not need high school basketball and
will play AAU only.
to sit here and think that from one article you know the reason about why a kid
transferred is beyond me. Lets start it all from te beginning, Eric Mika never
LEFT lone peak. he never started at lone peak, or at a junior high, or at
anything. He started elementary school at waterford, and has been going there
ever since. Waterford has recently decided to end their seminary program, which
has caused many kids in the area to leave the school and attend somewhere else.
In the case, Eric Mika decided to go to his public high school. what you are
trying to say is that if he would have lived in draper, and then moved to alpine
it would have all be okay. but since he already lived in alpine, then he
shouldnt be allowed to play. that is stupid. The only reason that UHSAA is
stopping this move is because it is a good basketball player, and he is
transferring to LP. He will play for LP this year, guaranteed.PS..............Quincy is BY FAR the best coach in UT. Check the stats. And
nick emery is the best player, reigning 5A MVP
@ChickenKoopYou don't understand the transfer procedures. You have
to enroll in the new school THEN you can apply for the athletic transfer. Eric
Mika enrolled at LP during the last week of school in May and then submitted his
transfer request. He can't go back to Waterford and play this year, so he has
to sit out the full year if it holds up. Just so you're aware, Mika did not
have the scholarship offers to Utah St. and Weber St. until he started playing
with LP in the summer. So I guess being at Waterford wouldn't have worked out
for him.Mika will play at Lone Peak this year. Wait and see...Also, the difference in Mika's case and the S. Sevier case is that Mika
was enrolled in school before he played with LP during the summer. As I
understand that wasn't the case with the S. Sevier kid.
Cuff stood up to Lone Peak, Koop and Quincy? Wow! LP shouldnt need to recruit.
Quincy, and his assistant coaches know, the only way a kid can play D1
basketball is if they go to LP. Eric, just go tear it up at Waterford and you
will be just fine.
I agree that he shouldn't be able to play... What I have a problem with is the
lack of consistancy through out. 1 kid is allowed to move and play and another
is not... I feel like if we were to crack down and just start saying no to all
the random transfers, then more would be less likely to go back and forth. Just
wait, I don't think it is even close to ending. Look at how much the SL county
kids transfer or the UT county kids transfer, and Now you have 3 schools in
Tooele County, let's see how many of them transfer in the next few years.
Jaden Jackson played with West Jordan this off-season prior to officially moving
to West Jordan. (They built a house)Further, Jaden is still
attending classes at Skyline High.
This is a hypocritical ruling. If the Mika family had been willing to lie about
their financial situation and exagerate their "hardship" like the
Hansen family did, Eric might be playing for LP this year. Amazing. A kid
shouldn't be punished for wanting to go to the public school near his home.
Completely different than transferring to the public school down the street and
then deciding you want to come back. Hansen has been a huge asset to LP's
football team, but I still don't think he should have been allowed to play last
year. The really ironic thing is that Hansen will play the position Mika should
be playing during the bball season.
@ just an average guySo you're telling me that only Jaden Jackson
moved his stuff and is living in that house all by himself. Are you kidding me?
that makes no sense whatsoever. So maybe you shouldn't be betting your dollars
or donuts because you have no idea what you're talking about.
Disagree with the "best coach in the state" comment. Quincy Lewis
seems to have the more impressive track record
I agree with all these cases, oh and I totally forgot about the Jayden Jackson
kid being allowed to go to West Jordan, but that is a different case just so you
know people, that family moved out to West Jordan, known fact because I know
them, So you have nothing to argue with the kids family moving him
to better him for his athletic talent and gets to play with the best player in
the state in Jordan Loveridge now. Look out for WJ and with the best Coach in
state by far in basketball. Still you should not be able to return
right away to where your living because its now best suited for you, you choose
as a freshman where you wanna go, right then and there you decide, so you
incoming freshman, MAKE SURE you are making the right choice on where to go.
This is the whole reason why Utah's open enrollment policy should be eliminated.
This is a very strange case though. The fact that it involves the local school
and a private school has made this more interesting. It would appear that the
private school would have no boundaries so that anyone could attend it. If the
family has now decided that attending this school has become too much...then
obvious choice would be the local school.I am very much against
Utah's open enrollment...but I think the UHSAA made a mistake and the athlete
should be allowed to transfer. The fact that this is a private school makes
this a much different case....had it been a public school with defined
boundaries...then I could understand blockin the transfer.I hope
more cases like this will show the UHSAA that open enrollment is hurting our
young athletes more than it is helping. I have been in Utah for 6 years and
still have not understood the reasoning behind open-enrollment and who it is
supposed to benefit.Most of the country plays in closed districts
with the exceptions of private and parochial schools. Utah needs to do the
There ought to be different rules for transferring back to your home school.
Transferring away should be heavily scrutinized, but you ought to be allowed to
come back and play where you live, even if it's for Lone Peak or any other
school who happens to have a good program at the time. UHSAA should emphasize
"play where you live" whenever possible.Sports Guru: I
disagree - the Jacksons have complied with the full family move rule in
appearance only. I would bet you dollars to donuts they haven't left the old
house yet, only the kid has. And as soon as basketball season is over, he'll be
out of WJ in a heartbeat. (PS - should I be surprised that someone from WJ
would agree with the UHSAA in this instance?)
@binghamalumYou are looking at this particular case and basing your
judgement on only this situation.The facts are that hundreds of high
school athletes around Utah are allowed each year to transfer to schools outside
of their boundaries to play sports. I believe what people are
saying is that if the UHSAA is allowing kids to transfer out of boundary only to
play sports, which they do regularly, why is this kid not being allowed to
transfer back in his boundary just to play a sport? Completely backwards, IMO.
Play where you live. Should be the rule in Utah high school
athletics. The truth is far from that. As a Bingham alum, your football team
is a perfect example. I played junior high basketball ball with a
kid who was flat out recruited to play football for Brighton, he later played
for BYU and the Eagles. He halfway moved in with a relative closer to the
Brighton boundaries, and was not stopped from playing football @ Brighton. It
goes on all the time, at many schools.
"Proud to be an American" First of all, I agree with you on the South
Sevier coach being suspended was a joke because he actually got prior approval
from the UHSAA to allow that kid to play but they suspended him anyway. I
disagree with your comment about the skyline kid. He and his family did
everything according to the UHSAA full-family transfer rules and whether it was
basketball related or not doesn't matter. The rules are their for a reason and
if a family doesn't like a coach so much that they are willing to pack
everything and move, well then they must have really hated that coach bad.
Have him transfer to Timpview. They will approve him even if he doesn't live
in the boundaries
What is more interesting to me is the fact that a kid from Skyline is allowed to
transfer to West Jordan - because he did not like who Skyline hired as their new
basketball coach. How on this earth can you not say that is an athletic
motivated transfer? Spare me the "they are moving" argument. They are
moving because of athletic reasons.Further - how does the S. Sevier
coach get a 5 game suspension for letting a kid play over the summer with his
team, but West Jordan, Kearns, and Lone Peak do the exact same thing and nothing
happens? C'mon UHSAA - no consistency at all!
"Thinking Deeper" The fact that you think that a private school kid
should be able to come and go to a public school at will makes absolutely no
sense. When a student picks a school to tryout for, whether he thinks he can
make it or not, makes that school his. Private or public shouldn't matter
because both types of schools get good athletes and private schools aren't and
shouldn't be training facilities for future public school players. Also, you
don't think public schools coach and train 9th graders too? That comment also
makes no sense. Rob and Kevin were spot on and could see it was basketball
you people are funny! How can you think this is a just a simple way
of letting the kid play right?He left his Area of Lone Peak for a
private school, why should he be allowed to play since he is going back to a
public school???No difference there, and also people understand, HE
LEFT LONE PEAK and decided on wanting to play right away at Waterford, its that
simple, and then he matured, grew a little, and now can compete at Lone Peak, so
now its convenient for him to stay home, when its his own fault for leaving, he
should not be allowed to play because he actually lives there, that is
irrelevant because now it fits him perfect, so cause its where he lives now, its
no problem right??Wrong, if UHSAA allowed that, I will send my kids
to JD for 2 years, but we live in South Jordan, so after they play there, come
back, mature taller bigger and now we can play for Bingham. Ya right...
binghamalum is 100% correct...it makes perfect sense. When you play any sport
for any USHAA participating school--public or private-- you establish your
athletic eligibilty at said school. You even have to sign papers acknowledging
this fact. If you decide to leave a school once you have established this
eligibilty you have to sit out one year. The fact that he lives in the boundry
of Lone Peak make no differnce. He played for Waterford and established
eligibility there. Everyone with knowledge of this transfer knew this outcome
was a real possibilty and said several times they would be ok if this was the
outcome because basketball was not the determining factor. This kid already has
college offers and he will get to play his senior year as well as the summer
recruiting period. This will not harm his basketball future and he should have
to abide by the rules...and saying that others have gotten away with similar
transfers in the past is no reason that he should too.
Bad rule - bad ruling. It should be about what is best for the kid. The UHSAA
current transfer policy is too restrictive. Situations change. Kids mature and
need to change. Sampson has a good point the other side of this story is not
reported. I am a booster of a small private and deal with these issues all the
time. Private schools take kids who can't make the 9th grade teams coach them
and train them - they get a growth spurt and some success their sophomore year
and feel like they need to transfer to the Lone Peaks and Timpviews of the
world...Sometimes it is great for the kid sometimes not and they move back...
Isn't that what is called free agency? A kid should be able to move between a
private and his public boundary school at will. An important nuance to this
story... He transferred to Lone Peak and then played for the Lone Peak AAU team.
Rob and Kevin you blew this one bad...
here's how this will play out....he will get in touch with another un-named Lone
Peak athletic star, find out all you have to do is show up with an attorney and
the threat of a lawsuit will immediately change the minds of the folks at UHSAA.
He will then be allowed to play based on "new evidence" that the
attorney somehow brought to light.If that doesn't work he can always try
the race card, seems like that one always works too.In another totally
unrelated story the UHSAA is in the black financially.
The ignorance of the issues facing Utah high schools and athletic-related
transfers, by those commenting on this story, is nothing less than
It does make sense, why should he be allowed to play right away when he left
that town to play at small 2A school, so now he is older and alot better so its
time to get back on the best 5A team in state, because technically he lives
there??Yes kids transfer all over the place, but why do they get to
choose one year that this now works out better for me being back in my home
town, when we all know its not just to go back to LP, Waterford is a way better
academic school and chance to get seen because he was doing 18ppg and 10 boards,
he would maybe have 5 ppg this year at Lone Peak with his team, so its his own
fault and parents for ever letter him go to Waterford when he was already in
line to play at Lone Peak if he was that good, but maybe as a freshy he was not
that good is my bet, and now he grew and is mature and showed good stuff in 2A,
so lets allow him to transfer and play because of that? ha
Makes no sense at all. Hundreds of high school athletes in Utah have
transferred to schools outside of their boundaries, just to play sports. Or
lived with a relative for a year in those boundaries, just to play sports. This
kid wants to play for the school he should be playing, isn't that what makes the
most sense? Letting kids play outside of their boundaries is
killing Utah high school sports. I'm all for a kid wanting to play where he
lives. That should be the requirement, across the board.
He was playing at Waterford, even though he is From Lone PEAK, so there for he
just cant decide to go to Lone Peak this year and Be eligible, I believe its a
right call because your saying a kid that is in South Jordan going to Juan
Diego, he grows 5 inches, gets hopes or just all of a sudden throws 90 mph and
wants to now go to school at Bingham because he lives in there, do you people
think he should be able to play right away??If the parents knew the
kid was going to be a basketball player, why the heck did you ever make him go
to Waterford, oh I know, he could play early on in his playing career, where he
would not of played at Lone Peak, but now he knows he can play with these boys,
so its time to go back to public school a block away?what makes you
think this is ok? you cant choose a school, then go back to the one u live by
because its not convenient for you, pay the consequences for you wanting to play
as a fresman at 2A Waterford.
The comment that the "adults" have kept an opportunity away from this
athlete is misleading since it was the "adults" that sent him to the
2-A school to win a state title to begin with. Now they have a chance to have
him win a 5-A state title and the grass seems greener. The "adults"
that are messing with this kid just so happen to also be his parents. They chose
a school at first entry and now want to change. This is exactly the reason the
rule was put in place.
You are exactly right "Still Blue" adults did keep someone from an
opportunity to succeed in life..... his Parents by taking him out of a great
private school and puting him in a public school for basketball reasons.
I don't live in UT county or know anyone involved. But as soon as I read that
the kid lives in the Lone Peak geographic boundary, I thought that he should
have been eligible to play, especially "transferring" from a private
school outside the boundaries. I he lived in another school boundary, then I
would completely understand the denial. But alas, no, the "adults"
have once again kept someone from an opportunity to succeed in life.
Ridiculous !!!! Let the kid play, he lives in the boundaries. That should be
sufficient. UHSSA is on a power trip.
First of all, Marty Haws is one of the greatest guys you could ever meet. What
he is saying in this article is true about him not recruiting Mika but
everything else about the transfer is a bit fishy. The parents of the transfer
should have known from the day he entered Waterford that his schedule would be
demanding and difficult. There is a reason it costs so much to go there. It also
seems a bit fishy that the missing puzzle piece of Lone Peak is a big man to
compete against the Jordan Loveridge's of the state and him being allowed to
transfer would only look bad for Quincy. It's only fair to everyone to not allow
this tranfer to happen. Good job UHSAA
There is much more to the story. Did you notice the absence of remarks from the
folks at Waterford? If the press won't show both sides, then all one can do is
draw conclusions from limited facts. Bottom line, you can't have it both ways.
He went to Waterfor to play hoops. Suddenly, after playing the summer with LP
kids, he wants to transfer. I agree with the UHSAA.
Based on the article, I see no reason he should not be able to play for LP. It
sounds like some sour grapes on the side of those who have not been able to flex
their muscles as much as they wanted to in the past. The schedule alone should
be justification to let this kid play. Very poor decision.
so does the kid get to play basketball this year?
let the kid play!!! If this effects his ability to receive a better scholarship
his whole life will be changed for the negative because of these council
members. That is just SAD!
I am not a Lone Peak fan but I think it is ridiculous that a kid that lives in
the boundary can't play for that high school team. What is backwards about this
whole thing is that the UHSAA makes the kid transfer BEFORE he can apply for
hardship...So the family is at the mercy of the "3 man panel" whether
he participates or not.
If he was 5'7", the "rationale" for the transfer would be
"immaterial".Neighborhood kid goes to neighborhood
school.Done deal.Unless, of course he was a 5'7"
"jet" who could also dunk...
The UHSAA could be denying transfers every day, but it doesn't happen. It amazes
me how many transfers, students playing for schools outside their boundaries
happen in Utah. It's a joke. UHSAA does a great job, but it seriously would be
great to see local teams built with in-district athletes instead of teams being
picked up all over the place.
Sounds legit to me, thats too bad for the kid who wants to lighten his load and
travel time to and from school. I guess we will all learn to pick the School we
want to play for when we are Freshman since the system doesn't seem to work for
those who are legit. It bogles me how an education at a good school like
waterford would be exchanged for an education at a school that isn't going to
work the boy as hard mentally, but still wants to play basketball with one of
the best programs in the State. Maybe Coach Haws should got to Waterford then
the boy could of got the best of both worlds!