View from the Booth: Utah Utes football: Utes have answered critics

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  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Sept. 24, 2011 10:01 p.m.

    flintrock | 12:09 a.m. Sept. 23, 2011
    Rigby, Id
    Utah is not as good as we think and BYU is not as bad as we think. If the game has no turnovers it would as close as kissing your girlfriend.


    Nice try posing as a Ute fan. But we know you're not.

    In fact, are you sure you're not Jake Heaps? Tell me how your flimsy argument has any merit.

    "If we didn't get so many turnovers...". Blah blah blah. Get serious.

    The fact is, our defense DID cause most of those turnovers. And that's part of the game. You and Heaps make it sound like turnovers are purely an element of luck and nothing more.

    If BYU wanted that "different outcome," then why did they allow all those turnovers to occur?

    Anyone who knows anything recognizes that as nothing more than an ignorant attempt at an excuse.

    It's like me saying, "we would have won if we would've gotten into the end zone more."

    The fact remains that BYU did make those turnovers, and that's nobody's fault but their own. Deal with it.

  • Jordan Lynchburg, VA
    Sept. 23, 2011 11:31 p.m.

    @ alsoaduck

    Tell that to Alabama...

    Sept. 23, 2011 4:12 p.m.

    The best part of this Utah team is how young they are...if you thought they were good now, wait until next year, and the year after. Holy Smokes, the best is yet to come. Go Utes!

    Just loved the smack-down last Saturday against the about taking the wind out of the cougs

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Sept. 23, 2011 2:47 p.m.

    Also a Duck, is that you Duckhunter? We have been wondering where you have been; too much crow? Also Duck, why would we take the ramblings of a jealous Y fan as fact as to whether Utah is as fast as the Ducks or Cardinal? Fact is Utah has played Oregon pretty close in the past. BYU on the other hand is slow as slow gets as evidenced by all the Ute players running by the Y players countless times last Saturday on yet another touchdown run. Ouch!
    Too funny as well all the Y fans saying if BYU hadnt had all those turnovers the game would have been different. Since Utah caused most of them its kind of like saying if the other team hadnt scored so many touchdowns the game would have been close; no wonder people think Y fans are delusional.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Sept. 23, 2011 1:13 p.m.

    @alsoaduck: Utes do not have the speed or the athletes to play with the Ducks or Stanford. You guys are just lucky that Texas and that bunch are not coming on board.


    You mean the same Texas team that beat BYU by 1 point at home the week before Utah smashed BYU by 44 points @LES?

    Utah held its own @USC and Texas is as good as them. So I think we have the athletes and speed to compete but I just think we don't have the depth as those teams.

    BTW Utah lost at #11 Oregon by 7 points with our 2nd string QB in 2009.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Sept. 23, 2011 1:02 p.m.


    At half TOs were 3-2 Utah and the Utes up 14-10.

    Start of 2nd on the first drive your seondary gets beat by an injured QB on a 59 yard play: Utah 21-10 (5 plays, 75 yards)

    BYU then gets pinned at their own 13 on the kickoff. BYU 3 and out, 3 plays for 3 yards.

    Utat's 2nd position of the 2nd half. Punt returned for 29 yards to BYU 40. Utah settles for FG (4 plays, 19 yards): 24-10

    Notice that it's still 3-2 turnovers with Utah up 24-10. Then the flood gates open with the TOs.

    So please tell me how was BYU going to make up 2 TDs against when...

    A) They Utes crushed their running game: 11 yards on 22 carries for 0.5 per carry

    B) Heaps in his career still has not thrown for more than ONE TD against a team with 4+ wins

    Even without TOs Utah was driving against the Cougar defense, but you can't say the same for BYU's offense against the Ute defense.

    Conclusion, if the game was played today Utah wins by 10 points.

  • alsoaduck COTTAGE GROVE, OR
    Sept. 23, 2011 12:57 p.m.

    I happen to be a BYU fan but also have had Oregon Duck tickets for about 15 years. After watching both the BYU/Utah game and all of the Oregon games I have to tell you guys that the Utes do not have the speed or the athletes to play with the Ducks or Stanford. You guys are just lucky that Texas and that bunch are not coming on board.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Sept. 23, 2011 12:17 p.m.

    Dear flintrock:

    I love Eastern Idaho.


    If I had looks, talent and money, then Julia Roberts would be my girl friend...

    54-10 does not leave too much room for "if"

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    Sept. 23, 2011 11:53 a.m.

    As always Bill, your stories are always spot-on, well written, and much appreciated.
    We're exicted about this ute team, especially the fact that they keep improving game after game. Wynn takes a while to warm up, but he is running Chow's offense pretty good. And nothing can get a Ute fan more excited than just mentioning this defense. Could be one of the best and deepest we've ever put on the field by the time this season is over. Expect more NFL draft picks for Utah defenders.

    GO UTES!!

  • screenname123 Sandy, UT
    Sept. 23, 2011 11:52 a.m.

    I love the BYU "turnover arguement". Really? The fact remains that Wynn didn't bobble a ball in his own endzone and Utah kick returners didn't muff any kickoffs. Now obviously BYU had many more opportunities to muff them due to the fact that Utah kept running over their defense. The bottom line is that BYU had seven turnovers and Utah didn't. Utah is a MUCH better team than BYU.

  • UTE Fan in Texas Prosper, TX
    Sept. 23, 2011 11:01 a.m.

    flintrock, have you ever played football before? I ask because I have and every coach that I have had from little league through college has coached about the importance of turnovers. The better coached team won that game. Obviously the Cougars need to be coached on how to protect the ball. To your point of the Utah offensive line opening holes after the game was over... Do you really think the stud Cougar defense decided to throw in the towell and let John White run all over them? I admit that they had to be discouraged from seeing the scoreboard, but I believe that would have been motivation to stop the Utes. I wish the best for the Cougars this year and I hope they have an opportunity to jump to the Big12.

  • Ragnar Danneskjold Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 23, 2011 10:08 a.m.

    I don't think Utah has proved that much. I would be fine printing this article if they win against Washington and ASU, but right now they haven't won a single PAC 12 game.
    It's easy to get excited about the beat down last week, but the team still has a lot to prove. They have the talent, and especially the schedule to make it to the pac championship game. We can judge at the end of the season if they have proved people wrong.

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 23, 2011 10:04 a.m.

    Love what the Utes have done, but I say the jury is still out. The D looks good, but has given up a lot of yards. Forcing the turnovers is what has caused the defense to be good. But opposing teams will learn quickly about Utah's turnover-forcing defense and will take care of the ball more. Utah might not be able to count on having 3 or 4 turnovers in a game. In other words, how well will Utah's defense perform if the opposing team has no turnovers in a game? We don't know yet, because that hasn't happened, and therefore the jury is still out.

    Also, the Utes are an injury away from a big problem. If Jordan Wynn gets injured, Utah has no passing game. If John White IV get injured, Utah has no running game. These are concerns.

    Not trying to be pessimistic, just bringing up concerns.

    Anyway, I am confident Whit knows these issues and will address them as the season goes on! Go UTES!!!

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Sept. 23, 2011 9:11 a.m.

    flint & AZJazz,

    I guess Utah's defense didn't force any of those turnovers. BYU just walked up to the line of scrimmage, hiked the ball and then handed it to Utah 7 times.

    It's called denial and delusion. Just admit you were beat by a better team

  • Glenn A. Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 23, 2011 8:56 a.m.

    Things look like they're moving in the right direction. Wynn played better against USC and BYU. One thing I want to see Wynn improve upon, however, is his ability to throw a tighter ball, and stop leaving his receivers out to be pummeled. DeVonte Christopher is lucky to be alive after some of the hits he took against BYU, that were caused by Wynn's "hanging" throws. That's the next aspect of Wynn's game that needs to return to form coming off of surgery: velocity when throwing the ball.

  • butters Salt Lake city, UT
    Sept. 23, 2011 8:49 a.m.

    maybe if we didn't have 4 or 5 turnovers last year against tcu the game would have been closer. maybe if we put a little more pressure on andy dalton the game would have been closer. maybe if we just "executed" our gameplan the way the coaches drew it up the game might have been drastically different.

    or maybe we just got blown out by a better team.

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Sept. 23, 2011 8:26 a.m.

    I have to laugh at anyone who says "if not for the turnovers, the game would have been different". Congrats on that observation. The same idea could be said of every single athletic ocmpetition that has ever been played in the history of the world. "If only we had made more shots...." "If only we had hit a cuople more home runs....." "If only I had run a little faster....." blah, blah, blah.......Sour grapes. But, that's par for the course when it comes to BYU. The other team is never better, its just that BYU didn't play like they could have. What a bunch of poor sports.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Sept. 23, 2011 8:06 a.m.


    If if's and but's were candy and nuts, we'd all have a wonderful Christmas.

    The fact is: Your team (BYU) DID commit those turnovers, they ARE part of the game, and turnovers ARE part of what makes a team good or bad.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Sept. 23, 2011 6:50 a.m.

    Utah is in a nice position and are looking pretty darn good. The future remains to be seen. GOOOOO Utes!

  • AZJazzFan Gold Canyon, az
    Sept. 23, 2011 1:11 a.m.

    Critics have not been answered until Utah wins some league games. Beating a team that had seven turnovers (not all forced) is not much of an accomplishment. Wynn still has a fragile arm and not much experience behind him at QB.

  • flintrock Rigby, Id
    Sept. 23, 2011 12:09 a.m.

    Utah is not as good as we think and BYU is not as bad as we think. If the game has no turnovers it would as close as kissing your girlfriend. You look real good when all the turnovers are going your way and really, really bad when they aren't. Play the same two teams next week and you could have a different winner.

    Wynn is still a big question mark?
    Offensive line only opened the holes after the game was over and the BYU defense had given up. I'm still concerned about the O line.

    If BYU hadn't given up so many turnovers they would have had the time to exploit our safeties. Both Rowe and McGill have made a lot of mistakes and are very green at their positions. Whit wants speed but is giving up experience and a lot of mistakes to see if these two have what it takes. They both tackle like girls. No wrap ups and a lot of bounce offs.

    Linebackers get an A and so does the D Line. Very tough. Very hard hitters.

    Special teams get an A except the field goal kicker. He gets a C

  • vermillion Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2011 10:01 p.m.

    The Utes have traditionally been a bit slow out of the gate, but they catch up quite nicely. This is a solid team whose play is typical of Kyle Whittingham's blue-collar work ethic and intelligent coaching. No quit in these guys. Go UTES!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Sept. 22, 2011 9:22 p.m.

    I'd say the jury is still out on what we have learned about this Utah team. Beating FCS teams tells us very little, other than the part about the difficulty we had vs. them in the 2nd Half. And beating irrelevant mid-majored Indy-WACers playing at a Sun Belt level by 44-pts doesn't say much either. We're going to have to wait until we meet Washington to begin to realize this team's potential.

    GO UTES!!!

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Sept. 22, 2011 8:20 p.m.

    @Lifelong, I would agree. Whittinham is one of the best in the nation at maximizing talent.

  • Lifelong Ute Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2011 7:37 p.m.

    This team has unlimited potential. If the cards align it could be an ending much like 2004 and 2008. Defense is solid. White is a beast. And Wynn is doing just fine overall. To the top!