Doug Robinson: The forgotten quarterback of BYU will finally be enshrined in Hall of Fame

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    Sept. 23, 2011 5:34 p.m.

    "Everyone remembers Nielsen, Wilson, McMahon, Young, Bosco, etc., "

    I wouldn't say everyone. I am less than 50 years old so I remember McMahon and Young but only because they had noteworthy professional careers.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 23, 2011 1:16 p.m.

    By the way i m lds 2 is a utah troll. Don't be fooled by his use of "we" in his post. It is a common ute troll tactic.

  • fan29 Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 23, 2011 9:07 a.m.

    IT'S ABOUT TIME BYU!!! Leaving Gary Sheide out the the BYU Hall of Fame has been disgraceful to say the least, but not surprising. They, BYU tends to play games, and likes to show it's power. Without Virgil Carter & Gary Sheide leading the way I am not sure BYU would have become the Passing Offense or QB Factory everyone became to know. I remember that first bowl game against Okla St and if Sheide had not gotten hurt I believe BYU would have won that game. We had one of our best defenses ever, but they were just worn down before losing to a good Okla St team. Congratulations Gary

  • Florwood American Fork, UT
    Sept. 23, 2011 8:46 a.m.

    Thanks to SoCal Reader for the All American info.

    Doug needed to mention that Gary is a budding broadcaster, he was co-broadcasting the BYU Utah game for BYUtv. Not that many of us cougar fans will want to watch a rebroadcast of that...

  • AZJazzFan Gold Canyon, az
    Sept. 23, 2011 12:59 a.m.

    Good QB, not a great photo.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Sept. 22, 2011 8:36 p.m.

    BYU's treatment and oversight of Sheide is shameful, and I also agree with "skitter" about Virgil Carter. Come on BYU, get it going!

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Sept. 22, 2011 5:54 p.m.

    @I M LDS 2

    College football is all about history. BYU has a great history. They were one of the original 'little guys' to make it big. Not sure how old you are, but my guess is that you weren't around to watch some of the BYU greats.

    It is odd that this took so long for BYU to recognize their original great QB.

  • Hawkyo SYRACUSE, UT
    Sept. 22, 2011 5:48 p.m.

    Loved that book by Benson, as well as the video about greatest moments in BYU football history done in Detmer's time. Both mentioned Sheide. Great QB congrats, not all of us forgot you!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 22, 2011 5:35 p.m.

    Plain and simple, this took far to long to be done. Gary is a great guy, a neighbor, and coached and taught several of my kids. He is humble and kind and deserves this. He deserved it 20 years ago.

  • A Wise Guy Spokane, WA
    Sept. 22, 2011 5:06 p.m.

    I was at BYU in 1974. I still have a button that says BYU WAC Champions...You gotta believe! That's because most of us didn't believe it was possible that BYU could ever win the WAC. Then along came Gary Sheide...with Coach Edwards and his team of course....He really was the pioneer!

  • Fred T PHOENIX, AZ
    Sept. 22, 2011 4:48 p.m.

    Max from Syracuse made me go look for the old article.
    I found it in the Sept 1975 New Era.

    The article is called:

    Is It Raining?
    The Conversion of a Quarterback
    by Elaine McKay

  • So. Cal Reader Escondido, CA
    Sept. 22, 2011 4:43 p.m.

    re: I M LDS 2 "As fans and as a team, we are spending way too much time living in the past." When you have any sort of Hall of Fame, that's kinda what you do- recognize athletes/persons from the past. And revel in the accomplishments of those so recognized.

  • Red Leader Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 22, 2011 3:10 p.m.

    Same as others have said, I know Sheide as a great, but don't know anything about Carter. As for the Hall of fame enshrinement, this is probably so BYU can get a few more people to come to the game...

    Seriously though, let me write part of the introductory speech: We're here to honor one of the great quarterbacks of BYU history. The man, perhaps without whom BYU would never have reached the prominence it did during the Lavell Edwards era. The man who stood as the foundation for other quarterbacks. [important part] Gary, on behalf of BYU let me first apologize for not giving you this recognition earlier. We really dropped the ball... I guess that makes another one. You should have been recognized on multiple occasions and we will try to rectify that by getting that painting redone, and doing whatever else we can to acknowledge that you should have been honored right there along with the other greats.

    It doesn't have to be word for word, but somewhere along those lines.
    Congrats Gary Sheide - you deserve this.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Sept. 22, 2011 11:58 a.m.

    As fans and as a team, we are spending way too much time living in the past.

    Congratulations to Shiede. He deserves this.

    Now what about the future of Cougar football? We can't live in the glory days of the past forever.

  • So. Cal Reader Escondido, CA
    Sept. 22, 2011 11:38 a.m.

    I agree it's about time, and I enjoyed a lot of this article. However, I didn't like the embarassing part of Coach Edwards & the telephone call about looking at the QB photo only then to realize Sheide was not included. LaVelle Edwards is on holy ground in my book. But a big oversight in this article is that as great as Sheide was, and the numbers speak volumes about his greatness, he was not an All-American. Period. 1973- Danny White; 1974- Steve Bartkowski. Virgil Carter (forgotten in this article), Nielsen, Wilson, McMahon, Young, Bosco, Detmer & Sarkisian were all... All-American's. And it was the "All-American" quarterbacks who were honored during the "Y Quarterback Weekend", where they were also recognized and honored at the start of the Y-Washington game last season. I'm guessing that's why Sheide may not be included in the same company. He simply was not an All-American. With that being said, obviously very, very deserving of his admittance into the BYU Hall of Fame.

  • tkboss bountiful, utah
    Sept. 22, 2011 11:23 a.m.

    I am a died in the wool Utah fan and have been for many years. I recall when Bill Meeks was the Utah coach and Utah was about to win the WAC title. The only game left to assure the conference title was a SURE win over BYU; played at Utah. I sat through a misserable snow storm and watched Gary Sheide pick Utah apart with his passing. Utah was behind at half time but I was sure they would come back in the second half and win the game. Not so. The second half was more of the same. From my perspective, it was the beginning of the BYU dominance over Utah which lasted painfully for many years. Congradulations Gary. The recognition is well deserved and long over due.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Sept. 22, 2011 11:03 a.m.

    About time. Sheide was as good as all the others and he started the dynasty. By the way, Carter started for the Bears for several years prior to going to the Bengals. In fact the original Football Follies film had a qb getting pantsed. That was Carter. It was hilarious.

  • manaen Buena Park, CA
    Sept. 22, 2011 9:48 a.m.

    I'm glad he's finally receiving the recognition he earned. He was a welcome change from my freshman year, 1969, when the defense outscored the offense for the first half of the season.

    Too bad we don't have a quarterback of his grit and maturity starting for us now.

  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    Sept. 22, 2011 8:56 a.m.

    Love it. I watched him play and he was a blast to watch!

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2011 8:50 a.m.

    Sheide was LaVell's first great quarterback. Virgil Carter and his success was what inspired LaVell to go with a passing game.

    Carter was BYU's first starter in the NFL -- for the Bengals.

    Neither Sheide nor Carter were All-American quarterbacks.

  • Colorado Reader Littleton, CO
    Sept. 22, 2011 8:42 a.m.

    @ Eliot "We will never see Heaps looking like that. His O-line is too good for that."

    Bahahahahahahahahha are you serious? That is the funniest think I have read today! You will never see it because Heaps will curl up in the fetal position or run the other way to protect HIMSELF!! He won't take a hit EVER! He won't even get dirty!

    Can't remember Shields, but he was before my time :0) Good for him! Sounds like he deserves the recognition!

  • Big Hapa Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 22, 2011 8:40 a.m.

    What, people the one we need to forget is here right now the over sold, underachieved, over blown, prematurely anointed, completely hyped Heaps.

    Shiede actually did reach record levels and has mile stones for the BYU, oh yeah Heaps will go down in the BYU history books as the QB 1 who lost by the largest margin to the schools nemesis Utah. Nice, neat and complete Heaps.

  • Eliot Santaquin, UT
    Sept. 22, 2011 8:28 a.m.

    We will never see Heaps looking like that. His O-line is too good for that.

  • Max Syracuse, NY
    Sept. 22, 2011 8:22 a.m.

    Sheide was not only great but he was better than most of the other great quarterbacks who played at BYU. Why BYU has snubbed him for so long is indeed a mystery. He is AT LEAST as deserving as the others and more deserving than most. (remember, he won the WAC back when Arizona State and Arizona were in the conference)

    As an aside, I remember an article he wrote for the Ensign (or perhaps the New Era) about his conversion to the LDS Church while he was at BYU: "Is is really Raining" (or something like that). It was very insightful and helpful. I have never forgotten it.

  • XelaDave Salem, UT
    Sept. 22, 2011 8:09 a.m.

    Think we will ever see a picture like the one in the article of Heaps after a game?

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 22, 2011 7:58 a.m.

    U was a student at Utah at the time. Sheide was the first cougie I developed a spate (sports-hate) for, what with his sloped-shouldered resemblance to Joe Willie and his picking apart my Utes. That alone should have qualified him.

  • upset American Fork, UT
    Sept. 22, 2011 7:42 a.m.

    IT IS ABOUT TIME!!!! I was at the game that honored the great BYU quarterbacks and the first thing out of my mouth was "where is Sheide"? I watched him play, worked with his brother Greg, and loved the pass offense they were switching to. He really was a great player. IT IS ABOUT TIME!!!

  • leonard Oakley, ID
    Sept. 22, 2011 7:34 a.m.

    Sheide was an awesome quarterback!

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    Sept. 22, 2011 7:29 a.m.

    I remember Gary. I was in my senior year at the Y and he was phenomenal.

    It's great and it's about time!

    As for chubbuckidahocougfan, it never ceases to amaze me how no matter the subject (Sheide in this case), someone has to make a disparaging remark about someone or something else. Shame on you.

    Is the glass always half empty, huh? chubbuckidahocougfan?

  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    Sept. 22, 2011 7:21 a.m.

    I'm not even a BYU fan and I often wondered why Sheide was never inducted into your Hall of Fame. Afterall, Sheide was the one that started the great QB's of BYU!

    Congrats Sheide, hope they knocked some dust off of you?!

  • Lee Corso American Fork, UT
    Sept. 22, 2011 6:45 a.m.

    Finally!!! What a class act and a great player who paved the way for the other great BYU QB's. Congrats Gary!!!

  • Dennis Harwich, MA
    Sept. 22, 2011 6:23 a.m.

    Sheide and McMahon were the only two interesting quarterbacks that ever played at the Y. This is long overdue.

  • guitarboy South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 22, 2011 5:32 a.m.

    What a great story.

    I wrote a letter to the editor once, asking why Sheide was not mentioned among the greats as he should have been. I never submitted the letter, because I didn't have time to check facts and make it solid. I regret that...even though it wouldn't have changed anything, it would have given a little bit more deserved press to Sheide.

    This story seems to include an exercise in patience and humility. It hurts to think about Gary Sheide not being included in the painting, and not being included in the half-time celebration of BYU quarterbacks. What a remarkable football career Sheide had.

    I did not start watching football until 1977 as a 12 year old, with quarterbacks Gifford Neilson and Marc Wilson. I still learned plenty about Sheide.

    Great article, Doug Robinson. And I am glad to learn the first chapter in Benson's book about BYU Quarterbacks, was about Gary Sheide.

  • Europe Topeno, Finland
    Sept. 22, 2011 4:53 a.m.

    Gary Sheide,
    YES, I not only saw him play, I saw him practise in sunshine, rain and snow. As a member of the SPort Medicine team I saw him get treated... must have taped his ankles a few times.
    It is a shame that BYU so often shows it's unprofessional attitude by not realizing that the quarterback factory started with GARY SHEIDE.
    Gary was one of the nicest guys in the team. A real leader to the group.
    He threw like Joe Namath and his performance was a joy to watch.
    GREAT that he is finally remembered for rightly he deserves it.
    Greetings from this side of the globe.

  • kanaka818 West Hills, CA
    Sept. 22, 2011 1:53 a.m.

    I thought exactly the same thing about Virgil Carter. I checked, though, and found he was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1977. But I agree, he also is a forgotten BYU quarterback. You and I must be older than the rest of the readers.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 11:37 p.m.

    Watched him play. I, and people I know, have alwasy known he was one of the greats.

    Thank you BYU for the belated aknowledgement!

  • chubbuckidahocougfan Chubbuck, Idaho
    Sept. 21, 2011 11:00 p.m.

    These legendary QB's sure make Jake Heaps irrelevant. I'm still waiting for a QB like TY Detmer who hung 70 points on the Utes 20 years ago. Those were the days. I'm going to grab a glass of lemonade and go watch old Cougar Classics to dumb the feeling of the debale I witnessed last Saturday.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 10:54 p.m.

    Jay Miller caught 22 passes in one game against New Mexico -- Thrown by Gary Sheide

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 21, 2011 10:31 p.m.

    I was just a kid in Jr High at the time but I do remember him as the guy who turned BYU football around. He deserves this. Way to go Bensen and DN for promoting him.

  • skitter Orem, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 10:27 p.m.

    I beg to differ a little on Sheide being the forgotten quarterback. I think the most forgotten quarterback in BYU history is Virgil Carter. That guy was a stud in college and he didn't play for Lavell's down field passing team. Bill Walsh started the west coast offense at the Cincinatti Bengals with Virgil in mind as the quarterback to lead it. Pretty impressive credentials. Carter led BYU to its first ever conference title and broke 6 NCAA records doing it. Sadly many people don't even know who he is cause he did not play in the Lavell era.

    Sept. 21, 2011 10:16 p.m.

    Its about time. He was the original great QB. I don't remember him, but I grew up on stories of how BYU was winning the Fiesta Bowl over Ok. State, until he was injured, then things turned. Congratulations to you and your family Mr. Sheide.