sammyg | 6:02 a.m. Sept. 20, 2011 Springville, UTBYU 1-1 against AQ
teamsUtes 1 loss against AQ teams-------------I
simply cannot believe I've seen BYU fans do this in the last couple days.I honestly can't believe you feel comfortable with touting Mississippi
as a quality win worth bragging about. Are you serious???Look how
terrible that team is!Are you Y fans seriously boasting about a 4th
quarter, come-from-13-points-down, win-by-the-skin-of-your-teeth against the
SEC's worst team... who was blown out last weekend by Vanderbilt???You guys are bragging about THAT!?!?!?!?!?!I just can't believe
that. You guys absolutely must raise your standards. If I were you, I would be
absolutely livid and fundamentally disheartened that they almost lost to that
laserBig Byu let down? Are u kidding. I believe going into this
season Utah was 6-3 in the past 9 years vs Byu. Then Utah followed that up with
the huge Byu letdown by winning 9 straight bowls. I only hope Utah
can continue to keep having this kind of let down in the future!
"First...start by saying BYU lost the game....BYU did not give the game
away..."I think you must have watched a different game than I
was, SoCalUtahFan. If that wasn't giving the game away, then I don't know what
Utah State is the best team in Utah this season. They will beat BYU in a week
and a half and would have beaten the U if they had played them this season. Gary
Anderson has walked into a situation similar to what Urban Meyer did back in
2003 in that he didnt have much to work with but got the most out of what he did
have. That is what great coaches do. Look at what Meyer got out of Alex Smith.
Alex was the consumate system quarterback for the type of offense that Meyer
brought from Bowling Green. Tim Tebow the same thing on an much higher level.
Its too bad it doesnt always transition to the next level. Alex has failed
because he does not have the pro package and the jury is still out on Tebow. I
have a feeling Doman is having Heaps run a system that is not conducive to his
strengths. That is either just plain bad or incompetent coaching.
I actually feel like I can say I know how Utah basketball fans must have felt
during the last two years. Its like a train wreck is coming. Endless retoric
makes BYU as credible as a politician.
Laser,How's bitterness working out for you?
I've never seen a team so overanalyzed as BYU. Even when they lose they are
still the number 1 team in Utah. Once again ute fans all over the BYU articles.
Nice. Ute fans, your team will implode before the season is over,
actually next time you play. It's the famous BYU letdown, sell your soul to be
the cougars, lose everything else (see USU). Your one more hit on
Wynn from being done for the season.
The offensive looks like they are operating in slow motion. Come on Coach
Doman, speed things up.
sammyg, You got a pass because you manned up, don't push it.
VeritasBro, the article is about negative pub, and you think a 54-10
blowout loss to a team you were favored to beat is in the same universe as,
shall we say, USU's narrow losses the past two years to Oklahoma and Auburn on
the road?Fact is USU got huge positive pub and credibility for
playing two big time programs so tough on the road, while BYU reaffirmed a
perception by some that it, like Heaps, is all shape and no substance.No, my friend, BYU's loss isn't just another L; it's a publicity disaster and
will take a lot of hard work and big wins to overcome.
Prior to the first game - this is what we were led to believe:BYU's
front seven were perhaps the best ever (for BYU)BYU had three great
running backs - therefor, runing by "Committee"BYU was so far
ahead of schedule they were given 2 (or 1) days offJake Heaps completed
over 80% in practice.BYU had an exsperienced and talented offensive line
anchored by All-American Reynolds.BYU had two NFL quality receivers.At the same time:Utah's offensive line, while generally thought to be
good, was severly lacking in depth.Utah's quarter back was
restricted in practice. Many believing the team was hiding the severity of his
recuperation.Utah had zero experience in Division 1 running backs. And no
one had separated himself from the others.Utah had to replace both
safeties.The kicking game was inconsistent - saying it kindly.And from BYU fans: At least 9 players would be drafted by the NFL (later
revised to 7)BYU would lose at most two games - Probably one - and that
one was in doubt.There was perhaps one player on Utah's team that would be
playing on BYU's starting 22.That, my friends, is the difference
The BYU-ESPN deal was never about exposure. That was just the spin BYU put on it
to try and sell it. The deal was a money grab pure and simple. I do not blame
them for doing it, it was good business, but lets just admit what it was. Utah's
Pac 12 deal was also about money but also access to the BCS.BYU was
forced to do it when it saw Utah get invited to BYUs hoped and coveted Pac 10.
Even though BYU was already getting left behind they knew it would only get
worse without the cash.The problem is they did not fully think
through the fact they do not have the talent to compete with national power
teams. BYU is destined to have 3 to 6 loss seasons every year depending on the
schedule.How did ESPN not see that coming I will never know?Go Utes!
Welcome back sammy!Hate to bring up some bad news regarding your
first post now that your back to true form.... but you may want to check the Ole
Miss Vandy score before you use the BYU 1-1 vs. Utah 0-1 logic. Isn't 54-10
enough proof? Anyway, good effort, I'm glad your back. Looking forward to your
Just for the record, I think the Y has been exposed on ESPN2 as not a very good
football team with a quarterback who can talk but not walk the walk. Heaps's
refusal to comment about being replaced in the 4th quarter by Riley Nelson is
more telling than anything he could have said. Seemingly, Heaps is
not much of a team player. The very least he could have said is "I was
happy that so many Cougar fans cheer Riley when he came in to play." To
refuse to answer the question a second time says all anyone with a brain needs
to know about Jake Heaps. If the Y wants to cut down on the negative publicity,
perhaps they should muzzle Jake. After all what has he ever done to deserve to
be a spokesperson for Y football?
chubbuckidahocougfan,You make it sound like Junior College transfers
shouldn't be expected to be productive players, that they are inherently less
athletic than those who went straight to Division I football. Utah has a strong
history of getting solid running backs from JCs. Mike Anderson and Jamal
Anderson, to name a few, both had NFL careers after coming to Utah as RB JC
transfers.If you're team chooses not to mine talent from the JCs,
that's fine. But don't make the mistake of assuming that they aren't up to
snuff.Cam Newton, by the way, played at the JC level. He went on to
win the Heisman, and looks like he will have a productive NFL career.
sammyg will spin it anyway he can.
This next piece of advice is coming from a very objective point of view, and the
piece of advice is: Give the other QB(s) a chance! This will not only give
your offense some guts, but will also lend the team some confidence in the
coaches' decision making. Besides, Heaps is not that good!
@ sammyg | 6:02 a.m. Sept. 20, 2011 Springville, UT 54-10 and
your team quit. You might want to focus on the reasons why.
@Brave Sir RobinMy point was not to stress tradition, but the fact
BYU cannot get better by hiring inexperienced coaches.I agree with
everything else you said. Looking to Doman was a "tradition" hire, and
I don't agree with it.
@dustman"BYU has a great football tradition."I
could argue that point but I'm not going to. For now let's just say that you're
right and BYU has a great football tradition. As you can (hopefully) see now,
tradition does not score points. It does not play defense. It does not secure
the football. It does not block, tackle, kick, run, or pass. Tradition is
another way of saying "remember when we were good?"As an
outsider, I just want to point out that reliance on tradition is one of the
biggest problems I see at BYU. Players, coaches, boosters, and fans are mired
in the past. College football is changing in striking ways - it would be wise
for everyone associated with BYU to start living in the present and plan for the
future. Otherwise you're going to find that there is no future for BYU.
Coach Mendenhall says,"We were mistake-laden and had a lot of
miscues. A lot of people saw that (on ESPN2) and that might have damaged our
credibility. That takes time then to rebuild."A very reasonable
response for the situation.But then the author says,"The Cougars will have a chance to rebuild that credibility, or damage it
further, when they appear on ESPN the next two Fridays against Central Florida
and Utah State."No offense to Central Florida and Utah State,
but wins against them don't mean nearly as much as wins against Utah or Texas
would have.BYU had a real chance to beat Texas on the road, and
squandered it.We'll never know whether BYU could have beaten Utah
Saturday if they hadn't turned it over seven times and phoned it in in the
fourth quarter.It will take more than wins against UCF and USU to
make up for what happened in the last two weeks in the eyes of the nation.Good luck BYU, but realistically your next chances to impress anyone is
in late October against TCU. You'd better take care of business between now and
then, and then beat the Horned Frogs.
Rational:"Truth is, the wheels DID fall of for the U, didn't they?
Reasonable BYU fans are fearful of the same thing." =======Depends on your definition of wheels falling off. Utah lost to a streaking
Notre Dame on the road, and two top-ten teams. But they also beat 9 win SDSU on
the road and beat their arch rival. 2-3 isn't great. 0-5 is what I would
consider "wheels falling off."For BYU to have the same
thing, they would need to lose more than to UCF and TCU. If they lose to the WAC
teams, then perhaps, yes, wheels are at least becoming loose.=====I'm glad the DN corrected the error of "the sunshine state
record", which originally had the cougs at 1-4 instead of 1-5. Yesterday,
the article had the cougs as "1-0" vs Miami, with the glorious 1990
upset. The author had forgotten the Hurricanes beatdown of the Y two years
earlier in 1988, 41-17. I'm surprised the writer wouldn't have suspected at
least a home-and-away series for a team that was so dominant in that era. Now
it's been edited. Nice work.
Predictions? The only prediction is this: It's going to be ugly this
At the end of the season it may just be a Loss. But friday the whole nation saw
BYU play poorly. More than that the point margin told the world that the former
MWC powerhouse was never that good. BYU played so bad that I don't even think
it benefitted the Utes' image. Even as independents, this loss margin hurt the
MWC and non-BCS conferences.But the U took our heads off. Give them
credit.BYU has a great football tradition. That's why we get the
players we get. You don't reward talented players by giving them an apprentice
OC. That's not fair to the players or the fans. that's not good business. it
kills future recruiting. BYU deserves an experienced OC with a proven record for
@sammygJust in case you didn't hear. Ole Miss lost to Vanderbilt by I
think 23 points. Vanderbilt might be the worst BCS team there is. Well not
anymore. It might be Ole Miss. BYU is 1-2. Utah is 2-1. That's the only record
You know why I have no confidence in BYU or Mendenhall-In Mendenhall's press
conference on Monday, he said that he had "ZERO" complaints about his
defense other than than one of the long runs his team gave up in the 4th qtr.
Well coach, How about the 200 plus rushing yards your team gave up to Utah with
Junior College transfers? Is that something to be proud of? A great Defense is
able to stop the run and keep a team around 50 to 75 yards rushing. Getting
gashed by over 200 yards on the ground and having zero complaints. are you
serious Bronco? Not to mention the secondary got gashed by Jordan Wynn whom many
believe is a sub-par QB. I am growing tired of Bronco's rhetoric. It's
disheartening to hear a coach when he says he has zero complaints against a
Defense that gave up itleast 40 points against Utah. Yes I
understand that the Heaps fumble in the end zone and the muffed kick off were
the fault of the Offense so I took away 14 points, but still giving up 40 points
is laughable coach. time to get rid of Bronco.
setback?technically we never fully recovered from the crowton years.
sure we had a few good 10-2 seasons but very few big wins against bcs caliber
teams. no bcs bowl, etc. unlike the team up north who has been to 2 bcs bowls
and now plays with the big boys every week. we on the other hand?this season, and in particular last weeks game, puts us back even more. we
have a long ways to go.
I watched the first offensive drive of the game last night for the first time.
How ugly that botched long snap was and the way Heaps made it much worse than it
was. That had to set the tone that started the ball rolling into the Ute
end-zone. But the Cougars still showed moments of brilliance that first half.
Give the Utes credit for pursuing the ball time and time again. The Cougar
Defense started playing sloppy and paid dearly for that.Well, on to
the next game. Shake it off Cougars. You are a much, much better team than you
showed on National TV Saturday. You have another opportunity on Friday to either
impress, or to depress. Don't squander these moments. They are like gold that
is slipping through your fingers. Close the gaps. Mind the store. Play like you
know how to play and use emotion to fuel you, not to deflate you.
...Coach Bronco Mendenhall acknowledged Monday that his program took a big hit
in terms of national respectability over the weekend...And it is
their rival, Utah, that delivered the knock-out punch.Perhaps, it's
time to stop all the silly boasts about ESPN national exposure, big-12 invite,
etcStop envy the Utes!
BYU 1-1 against AQ teamsUtes 1 loss against AQ teamsDon't be
too hasty Utes. According to several of you, you beat a 'mid-major' nobody last
weekend. Be careful as to which side of the mouth your talking from. Can't have
it both ways.
I agree with Henry Drummond. Not a lot of maturity there. I've been disappointed
in the way we have reacted to adversity. Don't remember a team that appears to
give up so easily.
One would expect a vaunted BCS AQ team like Utah to always thoroughly beat the
lowly funded, inferior independent team from down south. Why all the hoop la
over the U doing what it should and the Y playing good sports, while taking a
beating on national TV. Not if much news worthy here, let me know when the Y
plays the U close again that will be a story.
MiP | 11:43 p.m. Sept. 19, 2011 Mr. Call, one point, or 50, or 150,
it's an LThis week it looks bad, at the end of the season, it's one
point on the L side of the ledger.====Except that's not what Y
fans were saying after TCU blew out Utah last year. It was more like "the
wheels are falling off"....----------Truth is, the
wheels DID fall of for the U, didn't they? Reasonable BYU fans are fearful of
the same thing.
I think one of the problems is that BYU may have their priorities messed up.
Apparently exposure is more important than quality football. At least back in
the MWC days, BYU was consistently playing well. If they shift their focus back
to more intrinsic motivation for playing football and stop worrying so much
about what everyone is going to think of them, perhaps their performance will
I agree with Outsideview. I would put McKay Jacobson before the media rather
than Jake. I cringed during Jake's press conference. McKay on the other hand
sounds like a very mature and very professional young man. Jake will be there
one day, but I don't think he's the one to be talking to the media at a time
Veritas Aequitas | 10:07 p.m. Sept. 19, 2011 Fruit Heights, UT Mr.
Call, one point, or 50, or 150, it's an LThis week it looks bad, at
the end of the season, it's one point on the L side of the ledger.====Except that's not what Y fans were saying after TCU blew out Utah last
year. It was more like "the wheels are falling off"....
tdlawton | 11:01 p.m. Sept. 19, 2011 Cottonwood Heights, UT Is
Cody Hoffman's 139 yards on 8 kickoff returns really a positive stat? I mean I don't think that anyone with good football knowledge would consider
17.4 yard per KOR a good average and the fact that he ran back eight (8!!)
Kickoffs means BYU was getting scored on incessantly. Certainly not
a real great stat but his 8 rec for 138 yards were one of the few bright spots
in the game for BYU.
Is Cody Hoffman's 139 yards on 8 kickoff returns really a positive stat? I mean I don't think that anyone with good football knowledge would
consider 17.4 yard per KOR a good average and the fact that he ran back eight
(8!!) Kickoffs means BYU was getting scored on incessantly.
Remember, essentially the same Utes that pasted BYU Saturday were twice pasted
as badly to end their last season.BYU will figure out how to recover
from this.The next three opponents won't make that easy, though.
""If we don't respond, it certainly could set us back," he said.
"If we are able to respond and finish with a strong season, and with how
many wins, certainly increases your chances (of moving the program forward).
That is something I have to acknowledge right now as we prepare for UCF. The
more wins we can get, the better in our first year of independence. As we
already can see, it won't be easy.""Bronco,
congratulations on being the last to know that what matters is the wins.
Sometimes they win. Sometimes they lose. It's all part of the game.What's wrong is inferring messianic mission and comparing critics to pharisees
@outsideview...Stop talking and start walking...and that
should go for all coaches and players in that team.Stop living in
denial.Recognize the weaknesses/mistakes.First...start by
saying BYU lost the game....BYU did not give the game away...
Mr. Call, one point, or 50, or 150, it's an LThis week it looks bad,
at the end of the season, it's one point on the L side of the ledger.Teams win, teams lose.No in between bro.
With regard to producing their "own negative publicity" please just
tell them to stop talking. Let Heaps become a great QB before they treat him
like one. As always, they can call Utah for advise on how to coach,
prepare for bowl games or in this case, response from humiliting losses. The
loss I speak of is Utahs loss to UNLV a few years ago. Whittingham says their
rededication after that game produced great seasons after that. BYU needs to
follow that example. Stop talking and start walking.