BYU football notebook: Cougars producing their own negative publicity

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  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 2:05 a.m.

    sammyg | 6:02 a.m. Sept. 20, 2011
    Springville, UT
    BYU 1-1 against AQ teams
    Utes 1 loss against AQ teams


    I simply cannot believe I've seen BYU fans do this in the last couple days.

    I honestly can't believe you feel comfortable with touting Mississippi as a quality win worth bragging about. Are you serious???

    Look how terrible that team is!

    Are you Y fans seriously boasting about a 4th quarter, come-from-13-points-down, win-by-the-skin-of-your-teeth against the SEC's worst team... who was blown out last weekend by Vanderbilt???

    You guys are bragging about THAT!?!?!?!?!?!

    I just can't believe that. You guys absolutely must raise your standards. If I were you, I would be absolutely livid and fundamentally disheartened that they almost lost to that team.

  • camera2head west jordan, utah
    Sept. 20, 2011 11:55 p.m.


    Big Byu let down? Are u kidding. I believe going into this season Utah was 6-3 in the past 9 years vs Byu. Then Utah followed that up with the huge Byu letdown by winning 9 straight bowls.

    I only hope Utah can continue to keep having this kind of let down in the future!

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    Sept. 20, 2011 11:33 p.m.

    "First...start by saying BYU lost the game....BYU did not give the game away..."

    I think you must have watched a different game than I was, SoCalUtahFan. If that wasn't giving the game away, then I don't know what is.

  • Stackhouse paradise, nv
    Sept. 20, 2011 10:17 p.m.

    Utah State is the best team in Utah this season. They will beat BYU in a week and a half and would have beaten the U if they had played them this season. Gary Anderson has walked into a situation similar to what Urban Meyer did back in 2003 in that he didnt have much to work with but got the most out of what he did have. That is what great coaches do. Look at what Meyer got out of Alex Smith. Alex was the consumate system quarterback for the type of offense that Meyer brought from Bowling Green. Tim Tebow the same thing on an much higher level. Its too bad it doesnt always transition to the next level. Alex has failed because he does not have the pro package and the jury is still out on Tebow. I have a feeling Doman is having Heaps run a system that is not conducive to his strengths. That is either just plain bad or incompetent coaching.

  • Seattleview Federal Way, WA
    Sept. 20, 2011 9:51 p.m.

    I actually feel like I can say I know how Utah basketball fans must have felt during the last two years. Its like a train wreck is coming. Endless retoric makes BYU as credible as a politician.

  • Eddie Would Go FPO, AE
    Sept. 20, 2011 8:25 p.m.


    How's bitterness working out for you?

  • Laser Iowa City, IA
    Sept. 20, 2011 7:15 p.m.

    I've never seen a team so overanalyzed as BYU. Even when they lose they are still the number 1 team in Utah. Once again ute fans all over the BYU articles. Nice.

    Ute fans, your team will implode before the season is over, actually next time you play. It's the famous BYU letdown, sell your soul to be the cougars, lose everything else (see USU).

    Your one more hit on Wynn from being done for the season.

  • ParkCoug PARKER, CO
    Sept. 20, 2011 7:13 p.m.

    The offensive looks like they are operating in slow motion. Come on Coach Doman, speed things up.

  • daddman54 FARMINGTON, UT
    Sept. 20, 2011 4:47 p.m.

    You got a pass because you manned up, don't push it.

  • fender Washington, UT
    Sept. 20, 2011 1:44 p.m.


    Bro, the article is about negative pub, and you think a 54-10 blowout loss to a team you were favored to beat is in the same universe as, shall we say, USU's narrow losses the past two years to Oklahoma and Auburn on the road?

    Fact is USU got huge positive pub and credibility for playing two big time programs so tough on the road, while BYU reaffirmed a perception by some that it, like Heaps, is all shape and no substance.

    No, my friend, BYU's loss isn't just another L; it's a publicity disaster and will take a lot of hard work and big wins to overcome.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 20, 2011 12:28 p.m.

    Prior to the first game - this is what we were led to believe:

    BYU's front seven were perhaps the best ever (for BYU)
    BYU had three great running backs - therefor, runing by "Committee"
    BYU was so far ahead of schedule they were given 2 (or 1) days off
    Jake Heaps completed over 80% in practice.
    BYU had an exsperienced and talented offensive line anchored by All-American Reynolds.
    BYU had two NFL quality receivers.
    At the same time:
    Utah's offensive line, while generally thought to be good, was severly lacking in depth.

    Utah's quarter back was restricted in practice. Many believing the team was hiding the severity of his recuperation.
    Utah had zero experience in Division 1 running backs. And no one had separated himself from the others.
    Utah had to replace both safeties.
    The kicking game was inconsistent - saying it kindly.

    And from BYU fans: At least 9 players would be drafted by the NFL (later revised to 7)
    BYU would lose at most two games - Probably one - and that one was in doubt.
    There was perhaps one player on Utah's team that would be playing on BYU's starting 22.

    That, my friends, is the difference between us.

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 20, 2011 11:55 a.m.

    The BYU-ESPN deal was never about exposure. That was just the spin BYU put on it to try and sell it. The deal was a money grab pure and simple. I do not blame them for doing it, it was good business, but lets just admit what it was. Utah's Pac 12 deal was also about money but also access to the BCS.

    BYU was forced to do it when it saw Utah get invited to BYUs hoped and coveted Pac 10. Even though BYU was already getting left behind they knew it would only get worse without the cash.

    The problem is they did not fully think through the fact they do not have the talent to compete with national power teams. BYU is destined to have 3 to 6 loss seasons every year depending on the schedule.

    How did ESPN not see that coming I will never know?

    Go Utes!

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Sept. 20, 2011 11:23 a.m.

    Welcome back sammy!

    Hate to bring up some bad news regarding your first post now that your back to true form.... but you may want to check the Ole Miss Vandy score before you use the BYU 1-1 vs. Utah 0-1 logic. Isn't 54-10 enough proof? Anyway, good effort, I'm glad your back. Looking forward to your next post.

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 20, 2011 10:32 a.m.

    Just for the record, I think the Y has been exposed on ESPN2 as not a very good football team with a quarterback who can talk but not walk the walk. Heaps's refusal to comment about being replaced in the 4th quarter by Riley Nelson is more telling than anything he could have said.

    Seemingly, Heaps is not much of a team player. The very least he could have said is "I was happy that so many Cougar fans cheer Riley when he came in to play." To refuse to answer the question a second time says all anyone with a brain needs to know about Jake Heaps. If the Y wants to cut down on the negative publicity, perhaps they should muzzle Jake. After all what has he ever done to deserve to be a spokesperson for Y football?

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Sept. 20, 2011 10:32 a.m.


    You make it sound like Junior College transfers shouldn't be expected to be productive players, that they are inherently less athletic than those who went straight to Division I football. Utah has a strong history of getting solid running backs from JCs. Mike Anderson and Jamal Anderson, to name a few, both had NFL careers after coming to Utah as RB JC transfers.

    If you're team chooses not to mine talent from the JCs, that's fine. But don't make the mistake of assuming that they aren't up to snuff.

    Cam Newton, by the way, played at the JC level. He went on to win the Heisman, and looks like he will have a productive NFL career.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 20, 2011 10:22 a.m.

    sammyg will spin it anyway he can.

  • Boston Spanish Fork, UT
    Sept. 20, 2011 10:21 a.m.

    This next piece of advice is coming from a very objective point of view, and the piece of advice is: Give the other QB(s) a chance! This will not only give your offense some guts, but will also lend the team some confidence in the coaches' decision making. Besides, Heaps is not that good!

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2011 9:57 a.m.

    @ sammyg | 6:02 a.m. Sept. 20, 2011
    Springville, UT

    54-10 and your team quit. You might want to focus on the reasons why.

  • dustman Nampa, ID
    Sept. 20, 2011 9:53 a.m.

    @Brave Sir Robin

    My point was not to stress tradition, but the fact BYU cannot get better by hiring inexperienced coaches.

    I agree with everything else you said. Looking to Doman was a "tradition" hire, and I don't agree with it.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Sept. 20, 2011 9:28 a.m.


    "BYU has a great football tradition."

    I could argue that point but I'm not going to. For now let's just say that you're right and BYU has a great football tradition. As you can (hopefully) see now, tradition does not score points. It does not play defense. It does not secure the football. It does not block, tackle, kick, run, or pass. Tradition is another way of saying "remember when we were good?"

    As an outsider, I just want to point out that reliance on tradition is one of the biggest problems I see at BYU. Players, coaches, boosters, and fans are mired in the past. College football is changing in striking ways - it would be wise for everyone associated with BYU to start living in the present and plan for the future. Otherwise you're going to find that there is no future for BYU.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Sept. 20, 2011 9:13 a.m.

    Coach Mendenhall says,

    "We were mistake-laden and had a lot of miscues. A lot of people saw that (on ESPN2) and that might have damaged our credibility. That takes time then to rebuild."

    A very reasonable response for the situation.

    But then the author says,

    "The Cougars will have a chance to rebuild that credibility, or damage it further, when they appear on ESPN the next two Fridays against Central Florida and Utah State."

    No offense to Central Florida and Utah State, but wins against them don't mean nearly as much as wins against Utah or Texas would have.

    BYU had a real chance to beat Texas on the road, and squandered it.

    We'll never know whether BYU could have beaten Utah Saturday if they hadn't turned it over seven times and phoned it in in the fourth quarter.

    It will take more than wins against UCF and USU to make up for what happened in the last two weeks in the eyes of the nation.

    Good luck BYU, but realistically your next chances to impress anyone is in late October against TCU. You'd better take care of business between now and then, and then beat the Horned Frogs.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Sept. 20, 2011 9:10 a.m.

    "Truth is, the wheels DID fall of for the U, didn't they? Reasonable BYU fans are fearful of the same thing."

    Depends on your definition of wheels falling off. Utah lost to a streaking Notre Dame on the road, and two top-ten teams. But they also beat 9 win SDSU on the road and beat their arch rival. 2-3 isn't great. 0-5 is what I would consider "wheels falling off."

    For BYU to have the same thing, they would need to lose more than to UCF and TCU. If they lose to the WAC teams, then perhaps, yes, wheels are at least becoming loose.

    I'm glad the DN corrected the error of "the sunshine state record", which originally had the cougs at 1-4 instead of 1-5. Yesterday, the article had the cougs as "1-0" vs Miami, with the glorious 1990 upset. The author had forgotten the Hurricanes beatdown of the Y two years earlier in 1988, 41-17. I'm surprised the writer wouldn't have suspected at least a home-and-away series for a team that was so dominant in that era. Now it's been edited. Nice work.

  • jasonlivy Orem, UT
    Sept. 20, 2011 9:08 a.m.

    Predictions? The only prediction is this: It's going to be ugly this Friday...for BYU.

  • dustman Nampa, ID
    Sept. 20, 2011 9:01 a.m.

    At the end of the season it may just be a Loss. But friday the whole nation saw BYU play poorly. More than that the point margin told the world that the former MWC powerhouse was never that good. BYU played so bad that I don't even think it benefitted the Utes' image. Even as independents, this loss margin hurt the MWC and non-BCS conferences.

    But the U took our heads off. Give them credit.

    BYU has a great football tradition. That's why we get the players we get. You don't reward talented players by giving them an apprentice OC. That's not fair to the players or the fans. that's not good business. it kills future recruiting. BYU deserves an experienced OC with a proven record for success.

  • chicagoborn WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Sept. 20, 2011 8:54 a.m.

    Just in case you didn't hear. Ole Miss lost to Vanderbilt by I think 23 points. Vanderbilt might be the worst BCS team there is. Well not anymore. It might be Ole Miss. BYU is 1-2. Utah is 2-1. That's the only record that counts.

  • chubbuckidahocougfan Chubbuck, Idaho
    Sept. 20, 2011 8:52 a.m.

    You know why I have no confidence in BYU or Mendenhall-In Mendenhall's press conference on Monday, he said that he had "ZERO" complaints about his defense other than than one of the long runs his team gave up in the 4th qtr. Well coach, How about the 200 plus rushing yards your team gave up to Utah with Junior College transfers? Is that something to be proud of? A great Defense is able to stop the run and keep a team around 50 to 75 yards rushing. Getting gashed by over 200 yards on the ground and having zero complaints. are you serious Bronco? Not to mention the secondary got gashed by Jordan Wynn whom many believe is a sub-par QB. I am growing tired of Bronco's rhetoric. It's disheartening to hear a coach when he says he has zero complaints against a Defense that gave up itleast 40 points against Utah.

    Yes I understand that the Heaps fumble in the end zone and the muffed kick off were the fault of the Offense so I took away 14 points, but still giving up 40 points is laughable coach. time to get rid of Bronco.

  • manutd Milford, CT
    Sept. 20, 2011 8:44 a.m.


    technically we never fully recovered from the crowton years. sure we had a few good 10-2 seasons but very few big wins against bcs caliber teams. no bcs bowl, etc. unlike the team up north who has been to 2 bcs bowls and now plays with the big boys every week. we on the other hand?

    this season, and in particular last weeks game, puts us back even more. we have a long ways to go.

  • Andermart Pullman, WA
    Sept. 20, 2011 7:33 a.m.

    I watched the first offensive drive of the game last night for the first time. How ugly that botched long snap was and the way Heaps made it much worse than it was. That had to set the tone that started the ball rolling into the Ute end-zone. But the Cougars still showed moments of brilliance that first half. Give the Utes credit for pursuing the ball time and time again. The Cougar Defense started playing sloppy and paid dearly for that.

    Well, on to the next game. Shake it off Cougars. You are a much, much better team than you showed on National TV Saturday. You have another opportunity on Friday to either impress, or to depress. Don't squander these moments. They are like gold that is slipping through your fingers. Close the gaps. Mind the store. Play like you know how to play and use emotion to fuel you, not to deflate you.

  • SoCalUtahFan Utesville, CA
    Sept. 20, 2011 6:14 a.m.

    ...Coach Bronco Mendenhall acknowledged Monday that his program took a big hit in terms of national respectability over the weekend...

    And it is their rival, Utah, that delivered the knock-out punch.

    Perhaps, it's time to stop all the silly boasts about ESPN national exposure, big-12 invite, etc

    Stop envy the Utes!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Sept. 20, 2011 6:02 a.m.

    BYU 1-1 against AQ teams
    Utes 1 loss against AQ teams

    Don't be too hasty Utes. According to several of you, you beat a 'mid-major' nobody last weekend. Be careful as to which side of the mouth your talking from. Can't have it both ways.

  • jimbobb Modesto, CA
    Sept. 20, 2011 2:20 a.m.

    I agree with Henry Drummond. Not a lot of maturity there. I've been disappointed in the way we have reacted to adversity. Don't remember a team that appears to give up so easily.

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2011 1:29 a.m.

    One would expect a vaunted BCS AQ team like Utah to always thoroughly beat the lowly funded, inferior independent team from down south. Why all the hoop la over the U doing what it should and the Y playing good sports, while taking a beating on national TV. Not if much news worthy here, let me know when the Y plays the U close again that will be a story.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2011 12:12 a.m.

    MiP | 11:43 p.m. Sept. 19, 2011

    Mr. Call, one point, or 50, or 150, it's an L

    This week it looks bad, at the end of the season, it's one point on the L side of the ledger.

    Except that's not what Y fans were saying after TCU blew out Utah last year. It was more like "the wheels are falling off"....


    Truth is, the wheels DID fall of for the U, didn't they? Reasonable BYU fans are fearful of the same thing.

  • afro14 Sandy, UT
    Sept. 20, 2011 12:04 a.m.

    I think one of the problems is that BYU may have their priorities messed up. Apparently exposure is more important than quality football. At least back in the MWC days, BYU was consistently playing well. If they shift their focus back to more intrinsic motivation for playing football and stop worrying so much about what everyone is going to think of them, perhaps their performance will improve.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Sept. 19, 2011 11:54 p.m.

    I agree with Outsideview. I would put McKay Jacobson before the media rather than Jake. I cringed during Jake's press conference. McKay on the other hand sounds like a very mature and very professional young man. Jake will be there one day, but I don't think he's the one to be talking to the media at a time like this.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Sept. 19, 2011 11:43 p.m.

    Veritas Aequitas | 10:07 p.m. Sept. 19, 2011
    Fruit Heights, UT
    Mr. Call, one point, or 50, or 150, it's an L

    This week it looks bad, at the end of the season, it's one point on the L side of the ledger.

    Except that's not what Y fans were saying after TCU blew out Utah last year. It was more like "the wheels are falling off"....

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 11:19 p.m.

    tdlawton | 11:01 p.m. Sept. 19, 2011
    Cottonwood Heights, UT

    Is Cody Hoffman's 139 yards on 8 kickoff returns really a positive stat?

    I mean I don't think that anyone with good football knowledge would consider 17.4 yard per KOR a good average and the fact that he ran back eight (8!!) Kickoffs means BYU was getting scored on incessantly.

    Certainly not a real great stat but his 8 rec for 138 yards were one of the few bright spots in the game for BYU.

  • tdlawton Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 11:01 p.m.

    Is Cody Hoffman's 139 yards on 8 kickoff returns really a positive stat?

    I mean I don't think that anyone with good football knowledge would consider 17.4 yard per KOR a good average and the fact that he ran back eight (8!!) Kickoffs means BYU was getting scored on incessantly.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Sept. 19, 2011 10:58 p.m.

    Remember, essentially the same Utes that pasted BYU Saturday were twice pasted as badly to end their last season.

    BYU will figure out how to recover from this.

    The next three opponents won't make that easy, though.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 10:57 p.m.

    ""If we don't respond, it certainly could set us back," he said. "If we are able to respond and finish with a strong season, and with how many wins, certainly increases your chances (of moving the program forward). That is something I have to acknowledge right now as we prepare for UCF. The more wins we can get, the better in our first year of independence. As we already can see, it won't be easy.""

    Bronco, congratulations on being the last to know that what matters is the wins.

  • The Utah Republican Alpine, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 10:27 p.m.

    Sometimes they win. Sometimes they lose. It's all part of the game.

    What's wrong is inferring messianic mission and comparing critics to pharisees and sadducees.

  • SoCalUtahFan Utesville, CA
    Sept. 19, 2011 10:22 p.m.

    ...Stop talking and start walking...

    and that should go for all coaches and players in that team.

    Stop living in denial.
    Recognize the weaknesses/mistakes.

    First...start by saying BYU lost the game....BYU did not give the game away...

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 10:07 p.m.

    Mr. Call, one point, or 50, or 150, it's an L

    This week it looks bad, at the end of the season, it's one point on the L side of the ledger.

    Teams win, teams lose.

    No in between bro.

  • Outsideview Federal Way, WA
    Sept. 19, 2011 9:57 p.m.

    With regard to producing their "own negative publicity" please just tell them to stop talking. Let Heaps become a great QB before they treat him like one.

    As always, they can call Utah for advise on how to coach, prepare for bowl games or in this case, response from humiliting losses. The loss I speak of is Utahs loss to UNLV a few years ago. Whittingham says their rededication after that game produced great seasons after that. BYU needs to follow that example.

    Stop talking and start walking.