College conference realignment once again big in the news

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  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Sept. 20, 2011 11:29 p.m.


    Latest rumors have ACC pursuing Notre Dame. Good luck there. Also the ACC has enacted a huge financial penalty for leaving.

    What I think would be funny is if everyone stayed put. Big East would be left with seven teams and would have to bring in a Memphis (rated last in the FBS) or Houston or some other team from really far away. Or maybe to re-recruit Temple after outsting them. Ha. I would chuckle to see the Big East go away....

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Sept. 19, 2011 10:44 p.m.

    @ MiP,

    The reason I said it might make it tougher is that if the ACC goes to 16, it might dissuade other ACC teams from going to the SEC because the ACC would have gotten much better as a league.

    I don't know the thinking of some of the ACC schools that the SEC might be interested in, so am posulating here.

    The WVa thing might have some truth to it, though.

    As for Texas, I don't think anyone wants them and their TLN. It might take seeing that their TLN isn't getting picked up outside of Texas much to get them to downplay its role for them, thus being able to get into the Pac-12.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Sept. 19, 2011 9:17 p.m.

    "The ACC beat the SEC to the punch, possibly making it tougher for the SEC to get to 16."

    Some reports have the SEC pilfering WVA. With Texas A&M, and possibly Mizzou, that would leave one more----look for them to go after ACC's own Clemson.

    I'd be fine with just Oklahoma and Oklahoma State coming into the Pac-12. Texas and Texas Tech I could do without. Maybe the Big Ten is better for their needs.

  • Duh west jordan, ut
    Sept. 19, 2011 7:21 p.m.

    Talk about a whirlwind nightmare for college football. This sport will soon have the flavor of professional sports. Soon they will break away from the NCAA and form their own league. I almost feel like this is going to be a junior league to the NFL where they will start paying players. I mean, look how much money is generated for the BCS conferences. Look at the type of stadiums that have been and are being built, they draw more fans to their games then the NFL. Look at some of the outrageous TV contracts that have been given. Just a matter of time. Let's see.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Sept. 19, 2011 3:33 p.m.

    Funny that the ACC was the first to make the leap to 14. Not surprising, though, as the ACC's done that to the Big East before.

    The ACC beat the SEC to the punch, possibly making it tougher for the SEC to get to 16.

    Bet more surprises are in store with realignment.

    If the OKs and TXs go to the Pac-12 (to make 16), any combination of the leftovers from the Big East and Big XII MIGHT maintain a BCS standing. Maybe.

    That'd be BYU's only chance of joining a BCS conference, IF they got invited to that marriage.

    Sounds like the Big Ten is NOT staying pat if the other conferences don't. But, who'd they want? Teams that they're too late to grab? Could be. Their AAU snobbery might come back to bite them.

    Dominoes, dominoes, dominoes. Falling fast!

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 19, 2011 1:30 p.m.

    Everyone is proactively discussing their options with every conference available. Let's hope that includes Holmoe. We can't be waiting on the sidelines without ending up like poor Ricks College.

  • uteowl Sunnyvale, CA
    Sept. 19, 2011 12:57 p.m.

    Hindsight is 20/20 but it's beginning to get more and more clear that BYU & TCU made bad decisions. If the Big East & Big 12 implode - AND - the BCS sticks around for a few more years a MWC with BSU, TCU, BYU, AFA, Nevada, Fresno St., UNLV, SDSU, NM, Wyo, CSU and Hawaii (in no particular order there after the first four) would have been BSC material and probably been able to lure a couple of the Big 12 teams(KU, KSU, or ISU) to make it a 14 team conference. That lineup could have renegotiated a better TV deal too.

    Then again MWC leadership has proven inept on that front haven't they?

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 12:11 p.m.

    The chickens have come home to roost.

    My way or the highway, money grubbing, kiss my feet (cleaned up for DN), Texas is beginning to reap a whirlwind they have so carefully sowed.

    Texas has rubbed their financial advantage into the "nose" of every conference member for years.

    Nebraska and Colorado were able to "escape". Texas A&M is all but gone. Missouri would love to trade places with Nebraska, Colorado or A&M.

    The PAC 12 should be very careful (read: do massive due diligence) before they again offer to jump into bed with the Longhorns.

    The PAC 12 has negotiated a tremendous packaged to be SHARED by all members.

    The Texas business plan has not, does not, and will never include a provision to develop, establish or promote a level playing field.

    If being in a conference with Texas is such a great deal, why is everyone heading for the exits?

  • IDC Boise, ID
    Sept. 19, 2011 11:05 a.m.

    Interesting times. If the era of the superconference comes about, BYU could be in trouble on the outside looking in. Independence might still work but you would have to think it would be tough.

    Utes are in but does any Ute fan really want to be in a division with Oklahoma, Ok St. Texas, Texas Tech? How often do the Utes make it out of that division on top and would recruiting suffer?

    I love to "hate" the Utes but in the end, a strong Utah is good for BYU and good for the rivalry.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Sept. 19, 2011 10:17 a.m.

    Mormon Ute - good points. The loser in all of this conference realignment is the fans.

    Right now, Oklahoma fans can get in their car and drive to Dallas or Lubbick or Kansas. In the PAC XX, Oklahoma fans can't really drive to California, Washington or Oregon. If they want to see an away game, they'll either have to pay a lot more money to buy a plane ticket or settle for watching the game on the tube.

    The same goes for the BYU - Utah game. Regardless of what a few haters say, this is a great rivalry game that should continue. In an expanded PAC XX, the conference may make it difficult to keep the rivalry game going. Again, the fans lose.

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 10:13 a.m.

    Here's hoping BYU gets in one of the soon to be "super conferences". The last half of their schedule this year is awful.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Sept. 19, 2011 10:12 a.m.

    The final look of the conferences is likely to be different than anyone's proposed so far. Recent changes (Pitt, Syracuse to ACC) were a surprise for most people. So, I expect further changes to also be surprising.

    I think BYU is in trouble, unless some form of the Big XII with enough "bite" continues to exist. I say this because Notre Dame, without the Big East for its other sports, might be forced into the Big Ten. Then, independence isn't so viable for BYU.

  • Madden Herriman, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 9:24 a.m.

    You have to think TCU will do all they can to get into the Big 12 at this point. Despite the existing members not wanting to compete with then for Texas recruits, they are going to have to suck it up and invite TCU if OK and OK State leave.

    If Texas leaves, all bets are off. But my guess is that with huge revenues still guaranteed for a few years, the leftover Big 12 teams will poach the best of the remaining MWC, plus TCU and maybe BYU (yikes - talk about bad timing for a rivalry meltdown, just when you want to put on your best face).

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 9:22 a.m.


    You pose some interesting scenarios for the Big 12. I hope the Big 12 survives and I hope TX and OK stay there. I like the Pac 12 the way it is, because of the was the current divisions are set up. Any additions are going to force realignment that I don't think will be favorable for Utah's Southern California recruiting. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to be in the Pac 12. I don't like all this realignment for several reasons. I think it is destroying traditional rivalries. It is forcing unnatural alliances between schools too far apart geographically which is just going to make more money necessary to play each other. I think it concentrates to much power in too few hands. That's what has been the BCS problem all along and this makes that situation worse. I hope the University Presidents step in and stop the madness.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Sept. 19, 2011 9:12 a.m.

    The Big 12 will stay together with or without OK and TX.

    If OK and TX stay, the conference will pick up BYU and be settled at 10. Which will likely keep their billion dollar TV contract.

    If OK and TX leave, the Big 12 is still guaranteed to be an AQ conference for at least two more years. With the Big East now in turmoil, the Big 12 has a good chance of picking up TCU. BYU, TCU, Boise State, Air Force and Colorado State would join the Big 12. With those additions, it likely stays an AQ conference.

    If Kansas and Kansas State leave, Houston and Southern Miss (or Tulsa or UCF) would jump at an invitation to the Big 12. Still probably enough strength to maintain AQ status.

    BYU didn't go independent because they didn't want to be in a conference. They left because they wanted additional exposure, and out of the awful contract with The Mountain. In the Big 12, they can get their desired exposure and maintain their contract with ESPN and keep showing games on BYUTV.

    The Big East is now in more turmoil than the Big 12.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 9:02 a.m.


    Notre Dame isn't joining the Big Ten. TCU may jump to the Big 12. The other conferences will then poach portions of the Big East.

  • SoCalUtahFan Utesville, CA
    Sept. 19, 2011 7:51 a.m.

    Meanwhile, TCU is waiting to see what will happen to Big East.

    BYU's "independent" looks more like a bad idea every day.

    Independence will eventually have only Navy, Army and BYU.

    With new schools joining Pac-12, Utah may not be able to grant BYU a game.

  • manutd Milford, CT
    Sept. 19, 2011 7:10 a.m.

    sad but true

  • fan32 St. George, Utah
    Sept. 18, 2011 11:30 p.m.

    IF the PAC 16 becomes a reality Monday, BYU football as we know it is over. As an independent, scheduling will become nearly impossible. Like this year, after the first loss, there is nothing left to play for. Recruiting will begin to fall off and you will start to see transfers. Boy, will the MWC look good then. If you are a BYU fan, you better hope Oklahoma and Texas don't go to the pac12.