veritas' idea of the Y doing something Utah hasnt: beating the worst SEC team on
ESPN (when they deserved to lose)U fans' idea of doing something the
Y hasnt: 2 BCS bowl victories, joining a BCS league, plenty of signature
wins.Ha ha ha!!!
veritas....I cant stop laughing at your jealousy filled hissy
fit.You have a lot of nerve to publicly accuse U fans of being mad
that we havent done something BYU has. I honestly cant believe youre serious,
but it doesnt surprise me.If you are calling Mississippi a quality
signature win (a game you should have lost)... All i can say is, you need to
raise your standards.Utah has topped BYU in just about every aspect
of the game, and continues to do it. And 54-10 solidifies our position ahead of
you.But if you need Mississippi to sleep at night, you can have it.
I feel sorry for you buddy.
7 turnovers aside, Utah ran over BYU in the second half. Is there a
conditioning issue, or was the BYU offense just so weak that it wore out the
Uteology | 7:28 a.m. Sept. 20, 2011 Fort Worth, Texas @Veritas"In the 50 year I've been watching football, next to the Sugarbowl,
this IS Utah's greatest win (because it's BYU)-----------Not
true. But nice try.For the 20+ years of watching Ute football I can
think of several great wins:"===We disagree...Are you good with that?
@VeritasIn the 50 year I've been watching football, next to the
Sugarbowl, this IS Utah's greatest win (because it's BYU)-----------Not true. But nice try.For the 20+ years of watching Ute
football I can think of several great wins:1. I agree with you over
#7 Bama ... Sugar Bowl champs 13-02. #25 Pitt ... Fiesta champs 12-03. #6 TCU 20084. #10 Utah 35 @#11 Oregon 16 5. Rolling over #25
BYU 48-24 to 13-0
Bounce back....? There is no bounce in this team.
This article's title is appropriate: humiliation is the sting of a wounded
pride. BYU's preseason's vocal emissions were as prideful as I've ever heard.
Humiliation is their just reward. Humility -- eliminating pride -- is the
antidote for humiliation. I'm sure the local LDS missionaries are available to
explain this to Heaps, et al.
Dear Mr. Doman, I can see you have seen the problem with the run game. I
actually saw this problem in week one. I hope you did too. In my studies of
football, I have found that establishing the run is the single most important
goal of an offense in a football game. A team with no run game is never going to
have an explosive pass game. Now if I might add a few other suggestions. I
believe there are two problems (1) is the O-Line id not getting a sufficient
initial surge and (2)the plays are too slow developing in the backfield. Go
watch the Nebraska Washington game this last week(both excellent run teams with
explosive offenses).Please don't ever throw the 3-5 yard out pass
ever again. Please throw the draw plays out of the play book. I bet if you do
some research on the draw play the last 2 years that you've lost more yards than
gained and it doesn't fool anyone. It not well designed or executed. It's okay
to run blast and iso out of I-backs and split backs. It'll set up play action
Losing to Utah hurts.But hey, thank you to those Ute fans willing to
kick us while we're down. Glad we have that to depend on.But
seriously, we already lost. Utah is a lot better than us this year. We saw the
scoreboard. Keep it classy. Your team did, now do us all a favor and follow suit
parrothead | 10:54 p.m. Veritas @ 9:52I can picture you
with your arms folded and your upside down smile. Go find Ducky and tell each
other how great your win was at Ole Miss.===I can see you and
Hedgehog/ChrisB high fiving in his mom's basement.What's that got to
do with anything. If you have read my posts over the last few days, you will
notice your mental picture is not reality.I give, and gave the Utah
coaching staff and team props for a great game. Straight up. I enjoyed this
victory along with my Utah brothers. In the 50 year I've been watching football,
next to the Sugarbowl, this IS Utah's greatest win (because it's BYU).Just don't hate BYU because they have done some things Utah hasn't.Nothing I posted comes from the paper. It's just a viewpoint that you choose
to ignore.When the Rosebowl bound Utes pull one out against a BCS
team, on the road, on National TV, let me know.Sports are made up of
good and bad weeks, and improvement over the season (see Utah last year).Either deal with it, or don't.No biggie here.:)
BYU...you already know you will be 1 and 10 this year. I suggest you only play
division II teams.
Emotion. It can get you up, or get you down. It was wild in the second half.
Get emotion working for you Cougars. Then make some plays. I know you have it
in you. Believe in yourselves. We do.
Veritas @ 9:52I can picture you with your arms folded and your
upside down smile. Go find Ducky and tell each other how great your win was at
Ole Miss.Speed, Heart, Good coaching wins games, not reading articles
about how good you are in the Provo Herald & D News or self proclaimed
I love the back-up plan to respond to the 54-10 beat-down . . . talk about
basketball and TCU!Huh?Sorry, even though he's still
quite visible Jimmer's eligibility is exhausted.And when was the
last time the cougies beat TCU? I'm guessing it won't be this year, either.
VA:TBA means something. You obviously missed the news this afternoon
that FSN will carry the Utah-Washington game. That Saturday beatdown that the
mothership showed the whole country evidently convinced Fox that people will
tune in to see hard nosed, exciting football from the Utes.On the
other hand, there will probably be more "Doh!" moments in Bristol as
the cougies get into the meat of their schedule against the WAC.
I think that BYU will bounce back, they definitely have a good chance at beating
UCF. However, since throwing out wild predictions has been the flavor of this
off season, why stop now? I predict that BYU will lose to Utah State, TCU, and
Hawaii, and finish with a final record of 7-5. They will go to a bowl game and
beat a mediocre team and finish 8-5. Once again, BYU was the subject
of a lot of preseason hype and have failed to perform. As always, they talk way
too much, act like they're the greatest team in the world when any little thing
goes right, and give all of the critics far too much ammunition. My
suggestion for Bronco and the entire BYU football program? Put more energy into
walking the walk and not so much into talking the talk. BYU could take a lesson
from the Utes in that category.
@sammygOf course BYU will bounce back. They are starting their
Hostess Twinkie / Little Debbie Snackcake League play! LOL! The crow
should go down a little easier with a Twinkie to chase it down!Can
you say EXPOSED!?
patriot | 5:24 p.m. Sept. 19, 2011 Cedar Hills, UT "most
likely the biggest game of the year with all the nation watching."===Of course this is a Huge win for Utah.BYU has
always been Utah's biggest game of the year, and since it's the Utes only
National TV game this year (except the loss on VS...), the Ute Fans have to beat
their chests (They are peacocks, they gotta fly!!!) I thought Utah had bigger
fish to fry. Maybe Utah ought to start by winning against a BCS on National TV
(oops, chance missed).BYU has beat a BCS team, on the road, on
National TV this year.Utah has yet to notch a BCS win.Wow, all the hype, and still not a BCS win.Like the title of the
story "BYU football: Y. looking to bounce back from humiliation", and
if and when Utah wins it's first game against BCS competition, all of K-JAZZ
will be watching.BYU will bounce back. It's sports, it's what sports
is all about.
Heaps said today that he wished that he could play UCF "right now"! I
suppose he didn't see any point in preparing for UCF and/or perhaps practicing
some fundamentals such as snapping the ball, catching kickoff's, and holding
onto the ball, etc. I hope he and the rest of his team continue to talk about
their "explosive potential" and never put in the work to actually
realize it, because it is great entertainment!
Brave Sir Robin | 8:51 p.m. Sept. 18, 2011 San Diego, CA "A loss like this, especially when we knew the game could be so much
different, you walk away from this game just shaking your head just because of
the fact that we gave (Utah) the game." - Jake HeapsA comment
like that is par for the course with BYU. The next time a BYU player gives an
opposing player credit it will be the first. You Want credit from
BYU, here you go: Jake Heaps changed his tune Monday.A
couple of days after defiantly saying, for the most part, that BYU was BYU's
biggest problem in the 54-10 loss not Utah he more often credited the Utes
during the morning media conference at Legends Grille.The sophomore
quarterback, besides saying Utah "did a great job; they caused us to have
turnovers" also admitted more frustration with the 1-2 start to the season
and conceded that the talk of potential has worn thin. Take nothing
away from Utah; they played a very good game." Mendenhall said.Now stop your whining trolls.
I have been saying this the last couple of weeks, until we find a running game
it isnt going to matter who is behind center. BYU currently ranks 118th in
rushing yards at a 48.3 ypg, thats pathetic. OL and RBs need to step it up! or
we will continue to see byu struggle to finish drives and move the ball
consistantly, they need balance on offense.
Well, that was an interesting game wasn't it?Again, Congrats to the
Utes and some gloating is very appropriate.Will BYU bounce back, you
bet they will. Do the Cougars need some serious butt kicking in practice... yes
they do. Lots of it.Does Jake need to go back and watch some traing
films on how to execute split second decisions on bad snaps, preparing to be
clobbered, and holding a football, yes he does.Does he need to
understand how to shut up and put up. Most definitely.And the
coaches need to reign him in from the microphone.All good
suggestions from fans on both sides of the football.Jake, take
responsibility, supposedly you're a leader, at least start acting like it and
maybe it will become part of you.
To U of U football players and coaches, congratulations on a dominating
performance.To over-the-top U of U fans...err...BYU haters, a few
quick observations:The personal pronoun "we" is used when
YOU are actually a participant in the action. To say "WE let our play on
the field do the talking" is disingenuous...unless YOU are on the field.
(It's also incorrect and hypocritical unless you are giving DeVonte
Christopher's "Girlsie State" comments a pass).To proclaim
that the Y is the only in-state program that crashes in a game amid unearned
hype is to deny your own recent history (TCU 47, U of U 7).Finally,
for those dissing on player celebrations, check out the other paper's photo
accompanying the header "Beaten Down." It appears the U of U has
played their bowl game already based on that pic.Enjoy your TEAM's
win. You (fans and team) have scoreboard for the year. Well done!It
will be great to watch the fans' continued humility and one-game-at-a-time
approach as you mirror the team's attitude as the season progresses. Of course,
we'll be watching you in the Rose Bowl.
University of Central Florida Another blow out?? UCF has produced
102 points this year while allowing only 20 for a point-differential of plus-82.
That ranks first in Conference USA, Jeff Godfrey and Blake Bortles have
not thrown an interception this year, combining to go 51-for-72 for a 70.8
completion percentage. That percentage ranks 15th in the nation. It marks
the first time in school history that UCF has not thrown a pick in its first
three games of a season.-Godfrey-Heaps Comparison with 2011 Statistics:Jeff Godfrey - 5'11"/182 - 43-62, 468 YDS, 0 INT, 0 TD, 156 rushing
yardsJake Heaps - 6'1"/194 - 73-126, 722 YDS, 4 INT, 3 TD, -56
rushing yardsTRUE FRESHMAN SEASON (2010):-Conference USA Freshman of
the Year -C-USA All-Freshman Team-Phil Steele Publications Freshman
All-America Second Team-CollegeFootballNews.com honorable mention Freshman
All-America award-Conference USA Offensive Player of the Week for 11/8/10
Against TCU last season, at Rice-Echols Stadium, on national TV, Utah was
totally humiliated 47-7. It was a laugher of a game and it was at home. TCU
scored 47 unanswered points, with Utah finally scoring a TD during garbage time
at the end. Shocking, unexpected blow-outs happen---even to Utah.
I'm sure the fire sides will continue to be excellent.
Bounce back?? I guess you can't get much worse than 54 - 10 at home on national
tv. Opportunities come and go and you have to make the most of national exposure
like Utah has in its BCS bowl wins. BYU gets Florida State, TCU and Utah on
prime time ESPN AT HOME and lays an egg on each occasion. BYU should have beaten
Texas on the road and they handled an SEC team on the road the week before. BYU
then does the same ole same ole and implodes at home - most likely the biggest
game of the year with all the nation watching. How exactly does a team bounce
back from that? Fans are disgruntled and they should be.
showmeystd'sGo to the Utes. You'll be back soon enough. Like
Utah and BYU historically had impressive wins, and embarassing losses (both in
football and basketball).Like the title of this article states,
"BYU football: Y. looking to bounce back from humiliation"It's either going to happen, or not.To posters such as PapaSmurf,
and the others that believe that one game can destroy a program, it's obvious
that you do not follow sports, or your ego is so weak that you feel that you
believe you had anything to do with the win.Smack is fine, but
remember to keep it classy Utes. Utah fans have complained for a
long time about Max Hall's comments. Many Utah fans have taken this opportunity
to be classy, and express that they have been on the other side, while others
have chosen to prove Max Hall correct in his assessment.If Utah want
to be respected in state, it comes from winning with Class. Kyle has done that,
but he was taught at BYU under Lavell Edwards, a classy coach that showed up
with Jim McMahon at Roy last Friday.Maybe a few Utah fans can follow
Kyle's example.Enjoy the win. However, a great
opportunity to show some class.Or not.
First things first. Congratulations to Utah for the courage and play that they
demonstrated on Saturday. They didn't just "talk" about playing well
and winning, they showed up and played with their hearts and bodies.I must "Man up" at this point and say that a few of my blogs (this
past week) were based upon believing that this Cougar team was better than how
they played. Today, I am very concerned that they have the heart to play the
way they talk. That being said, everyone has times "when they just don't
show up." It is my hope that BYU can now dig deep and find that courage
and motivation necessary to overcome these hurdles.There is plenty
of "blame" to go around after this last game. I will even take some
of it because we all expected to win without giving the proper effort. There
must be accountability in "all directions" and unless it is assessed
properly it might be a LONG SEASON. Time to "Buck Up" and
pay the price!! Do not give up - like we all did on Saturday. And I mean
Dear Cougars,Ive been a BYU fan my entire life. Thank you for
removing my blue-colored glasses this year. I used to suffer from my
expectations being hefted up by heaping glorious praise on yourselves about how
much better the team was going to be this year (year after year), how the
national championship was in your sights, BCS busting talk, etc. I know see how
arrogant that is and how distracting that is to just getting the job done. Go
ahead and set high goals, just keep them to yourself and dont act like you have
already accomplished them! Please follow Whits approach of downplaying how
you think your team is coming along, then going out and kicking butt and taking
names. He sets an appropriate example of what I think BYU should be portraying
as they launch into independence this year. Not this self-aggrandizing, all
talk, no show attitude that seems to permeate this program. Oh - It's also OK to
congratulate an opponent when you lose... sighIm still a cougar fan, but
Im waiting to see some humility, sportsmanship, and hard work to earn back my
********************CougfanTX,Where do you get these 17 so
called points you speak of? Do you think that they would have scored that
opening drive without the fumble? You may have also been stopped and kicked a FG
had they not fumbled inside the 10. You have no idea. It is the players
responsibility to hold onto the ball, and not let the defender punch it out. You
are one of the emotional Y fans that think no matter how good or bad they play,
the Y deserves the win. Go join Duck Hunter and please stop posting your could
have and would have drivel. The UTES won, and the Y gave up. That was even
better than the win. Watching all of your so called BEST fans leave at the
beginning of the 4th quarter, and your team being so beat down, that they just
let John White IV run all over you. There is nothing to play for, and there are
no more good home games for you. The Y is closer to Utah St than they are to the
BYU was just voted as being closer to Utah St than to UTAH, and also will be
left out of the Super Conferences. National radio hosts just laughed at the fact
the Y fans thought they were closer to ND than to Arm or Navy, and also laughed
at the thought the Y and their fans thought they have a National Brand. I think
that they will be left out in the cold, and their WAC, MWC ghetto schedule they
have from here on out other than TCU and Oregon St will be here for years to
come. Especially once these Super Conferences start and the Y is not invited.
jarka-rus | 4:14 p.m. Sept. 19, 2011 Layton, Utah 54-10 and
sneekee23 |So how did that walking the talk go at USC. U lost right?
Heaps to get hit hard in practice so he can be used to it in a game. Also, throw
the ball accurately. We heard a lot of Ziggy Ansah in the pre-season, how about
putting him in to run the ball. He is big and fast. I bet he would be hard to
I bought tickets to see BYU play SJSU while home in Utah on leave from serving
in Korea with the Army. Maybe I shouldn't go, 'cause at this pace, they look
vulnerable to WAC teams too. Sad, just sad. Oh well, by back-up team is doing
well: Go Broncos! Bust the BCS and get the Heisman!
After watching the game this weekend here are my predictions for the rest of
this season. This includes games already decided.BYU will end up the
regular season 6-6 with losses against Texas, Utah, UCF, USU, TCU and Hawaii.
Bowl game Armed Forces Bowl against Houston.Utah will end up the regular
season 8-4 with losses against USC, ASU, PITT and UofA. Bowl game Sun Bowl
against GA Tech.
I'm mostly sick of hearing about Heaps being BYU's next Jimmer! Someday he may
stop throwing ten yard passes at players' feet but even after that he'll only be
good, NOT GREAT!
re: Booya "You know the picture says it all. I got sick & tired of
those guys on defense acting as if they just made the play that won the national
championship on a 1 yard gain. I know you should play with intensity, but its
ridiculous how they acted. I didn't seem to see them hopping around like that in
the second half. Maybe if the cougars defense quit acting like this, and
quit thumping their chest and expending all their energy on jumping up and down
and chest bumping each other, just maybe they would have more energy for the
second half!(cougar fans brought this up after the Texas loss but I guess
the players didn't get that message.
bllr21 | 2:05 p.m. Sept. 19, 2011PAYSON, UT. . . i hate how utah
fans think they are going to go to some big bowl.______________________Ahh, you must have been one of the byu fans who believed the Hype(s) and
thought they were going to play for a national championship this year. Don't you
just hate that?However, there is one difference; the Utes still have
a shot at the Rose Bowl. The cougies? Absolutely no shot at a N/C, and the way
they played Saturday even the helicopter bowl is questionable.
Dear Bronco,Did you really say "As I stood in front of the
Cougar Club, it felt like I was standing in front of the Pharisees and
Sadducees? Sometimes what play is called on third-and-20 is more important (to
them) than what we're trying to do here."Bronco, do you accept
suggestions from the common man? I'm talking about regular people....the type
that might even blog on the D-News website. (I've heard great leaders sometimes
accept criticism and suggestions.) I have one.1) Don't be so hard on
the boosters or even judgemental. It's okay if they want to discuss football.
For heaven sakes....it's a Cougar Club meeting...not stake conference. It makes
you seem a bit "controlling" or paranoid. It almost seems like you're
hiding behind the "holy cloth" so your football decisions can't be
questioned. Boosters aren't evil people. They just like football. Worry about
the boosters less and football more.Thanks for all the integrity
you've brought to the program. You're a good man. Go Cougars!
If Jake Heaps starts the next game, something is fundamentally wrong with the
coaching staff. They've had a full season plus three games to figure out that
he isn't good in game situations. Last year, they should never have started a
true freshman. Try someone else!Utah isn't good, BYU was just bad.
first off, i hate how utah fans think they are going to go to some big bowl. if
you make it to a bowl game this year, it is not going to be any big name bowl
game. it will be a bad bowl game against a bad team. can you say... las vegas
bowl?? haha jake heaps played awful and the coaching staff should seriously look
at playing riley nelson in this next game. i guess we will see what happens.
1984 for life | 10:36 a.m. Sept. 19, 2011Salt Lake City, UTAnyone
else worried about Where's Stockton and the Duckhunter? _______________I think they are still out on the ledge, along with The Sports Authority
and Swoop. I have a feeling they are going to be out there for a
while, trying to figure out if they can gracefully return to eat a huge amount
of crow for their DNews-sanctioned diatribes. The more likely alternative is
they get different screen names, so be on the lookout for new posters with
Continued: This is seriously hard and I'm hoping you guys take this serious.
BYU is going to get left out on conference expansion. Utah has Chase Hansen
coming in who I love to watch play. Norm Chow is a pimp. Wow this is making my
head spin. Are other cougars feeling this way. It's just sad to think about
leaving Kyle Van Noy, Ross Apo, and others that are so great and are being held
down by poor coaching. Could the Utes accept them as transfers? Would they
even want them? This post will probably bother most who read it but I'm
seriously considering making a change. Help me out.
U T E S UTES UTES UTES.... My team that I've loved since joining the church has
embarrassed me to my core. I may regret this later but the Utes looked better
than us at every position. When I saw Jake Heaps on the sideline with that
peewie herman expression and Bronco Mendenhall with his hands on his hips with
no fire I began to feel a change of heart. Today I've been thinking really hard
about what I should do. My lifestyle is more like the Utes (ocasionally drink)
all my friends are Ute fans. I love Whitt's style of coaching and the way he
carries himself to the media and fans. Bronco disses the fans!!! What should I
do? Would the Utes accept me? Continue reading in next post as it's to long
FenderRegarding the first play, Heaps first reaction to throw the ball
outofbounds was the correct one, but, the ball slipped out of his hands, which
can happen to anyone off balance. Hindsight is 50/50. I dont disagree with
your other comments. All in all, Heaps numbers were not that bad, he was simply
outplayed and outcoached by Winn and co who appear to be parts a very good team
this year while BYU is average, like last year.
Here's the facts. BYU is not a team that consistently plays well. You can have
a lot of talent, but if the team doesn't gel as a whole, it isn't going to
happen. Lot's of teams have talented players, but if it doesn't gel into a
committed and organized effort that is consistent, it's going to fail. If I had one wish, it would be that Mendenhall didn't keep looking like
Stonehenge on the sidelines. During the Texas game I loved how the Texas head
coach was up and down the field getting in his players faces with instruction,
encouragement or a well deserved kick in the pants. And here is one
BYU fan who will say that Utah earned everything on the field. They were not
given anything. They made things happen the way they wanted them to happen and
BYU couldn't handle it and that's what caused the turnovers. And that was the
ultimate reason they won.And last of all, I have no respect for
anyone who kicks someone when they're down. That's what wimps and cowards do.
Ive read all the comments on this board so far. Some even are insightful.To those who still believe that BYU gave the game away let me remind you
that good teams and players do not make those mistakes. The essence of being
good is playing good. BYU had three unforced turnovers: Heaps/Brown fumble,
Heaps pick off the receivers hands, and the kickoff muff. All other turnovers
were forced by the Utah defense.In order for BYU to get better, they
first need to admit they are not good. Heaps and several of the other players
interviewed seem unwilling to point the finger where it belongs, themselves.Utah has examples of how that works. Replay Coach Witts and Wynn's
interviews after the Montana St game. Take responsibility for your actions!
Quite blaming others!Go Utes!
mdpIn the words of the shameless John McEnroe, "You cannot be
serious." It all starts with the QB. He has to be the mentally toughest
guy on your team, and Heaps is anything but tough. He is an excuse maker and
self promoter. He has well coached throwing mechanics, but he is still immature
mentally and physically. Anyone who saw the botched snap and Heaps' reaction
knows that the guy was completely panicked. At worst that should have resulted
in a safety.Most pass plays require the QB to go through a
progression, something Heaps has had a problem with since day one. Doesn't
matter what play you call if the guy can't calmly find the open receiver down
field, something Wynn does very nicely. I guarantee you that Lark or Nelson
would be better at it than Heaps. No question BYU needs to find a run game, but
the problem starts with the QB.
There are some really good suggestions within the comments prior to mine...will
anyone with the Y football team even know about them? B. Doman is yet a
"kid" himself, and he probably uses that term in reference to the
players to separate himself, though he isn't much older. Question is, can,
will, the Y coaches and players accept, learn from, and apply valid and
constructive criticism? Though they profess humility, they sure come across as
prideful in that regard.
Riley Nelson needs his shot. He is the first QB at BYU to have the heart and
drive to win since Doman himself. Not-ready-for-prime-time-Jake should come out
if he doesn't show any leadership after a few series against CFU.
Honest, constructive feedback from a Ute:Don't use 3 runningbacks!
The expectancy is that while using 3 of them, one or two will get hot and you
can lean more on them. What happens is none of them get going and you have no
running game, a la this season so far. diLuigi, Quezada and Alisa are useless
and should not be used as a primary option. Kariya can and should be a great
leader on the team and needs to be your number 1 option on offense.
Please keep giving Jake Heaps interviews. This kid cracks me up. He looks like
Garo Yepremian out there and says that "the Ute offense is nothing
special".It's a good thing that the "special purpose" of
BYU football is giving exposure to guys like Heaps that are great examples of
Stay the course Cougars. Everything is fine. Don't change a thing. Heaps is
all that he ever said he was and more. Your offensive coordinator is pure
genius. At least give it until next month before you start to panic.xxooBig Blue!!!!
I see lots of junk dissing Heaps here, he is not the problem. As I see it, the
problem stems from lack of team speed, poor play calling, no pass rush so far
against better, faster teams. Utah played very well, btw, congrats. Domans problems appear to me that most of his plays are the same, dumping
short passes to backs and receivers in the flat with very little variety, few
long passes to extend the defensive backs, no draws, infrequent interior
running, and no quick interior passes to tight ends. Faster defenses react,
which keeps the Ys defense on the field for way too long, and tiredness shows
against late game power running.
Anyone else worried about Where's Stockton and the Duckhunter?
No more interviews for HEAP!! Let him do his talking on the field!! So far all
talk, no show!!!
It is obvious that the halftime BYU locker room in Texas laid the ground work
for what we are seeing. What happened there? They came out a totally different
team and have yet to recover. If the team is three deep maybe a major turnover
is worth the risk. Trials are there to teach us. We just need to pay attention.
If we give credit to the U defense, why didn't the Y defense create the the same
problem for the U?
The Cougs certainly showed in the first half they had the ability to win, but
all those horrible mental mistakes cost them dearly. I've never seen so many
turnovers in a college game and that wasn't all. They also had a chance to stop
even those successful Utah drives, but committed costly penalties that gave them
1st downs and allowed them to continue their march to the end zone. Yes, as lop
sided as the game was, it wasn't Utah that won. It was BYU that lost! They just
had to play better fundamental football--taking better care of the ball,
avoiding careless penalties, and, a few longer pass plays instead of so many 3
to 5 yard passes that ate up the clock and couldn't even get us first downs.
Doman should stop referring to his players as kids. Perhaps if he treated them
like men they might start playing like men.
The loss was dissappointing. The booing of the visiting team when they came on
the field was embarassing! The players need to stop talking to the media,
period. They need to focus on basics. A great quote from Lombardi comes to
mind, "Gentlemen, this is a football".
I realize its just a game, but the thing that bother me the most was the way the
team just totally gave up. No desire, no pride. So if the idea of going
Independent was to give the School and Church more exposure I am not sure this
is a good way to do it, maybe leave it up to the full time missionaries and try
to focus on what a football team is suppose to do, win or at least give it your
"Band of Sisters"Coach Mendenhall is more a den mother
than a coach.Zero enthusiasm, zero fire.How 'blah' can
you get?No wonder they lose.They have no zip, no pepper.
Would someone down at BYU PLEASE tackle the next newsperson that puts a
microphone in front of Heaps. As a face of BYU he isn't doing very well.
1. Take care of both halves!2. No more funbles - at the end of the year
your total should be seven fumbles.3. Play ball and don't talk too
much.4. No more mistakes coaches.5. GO COUGARS!
BYU fans get off Doman's back. I don't care who the coach is. If a first round
pick in the NFL offensive lineman can't help get more rushing yards, I think it
runs deeper. BYU has no player on either side of the ball that is mentally
tough. The defense misses Andrew Rich and Vic Soto. They had mental toughness
and yet not as much raw talent as some. No one on offense comes close to Austin
Collie's mental toughness. What is the difference between a puupy and a BYU fan?
A puppy eventually quits whining. Fans quit whining and show some mental
toughness of your own, then maybe your players will get it together. BYU fans
are never satisfied, grow up and quit whining please, then wwe can have two
great football programs in the state.
Time to look at the data. 3 games, 3 touchdowns, 4 interceptions and 2 major
fumbles. The data suggest that it's time for a new QB. It doesn't matter how
good your arm is if you can't get the ball in the end zone and win games. Cut
your losses and move on.
I think coach Mendenhall needs to be realistic. Its politically correct to take
all the blame but in reality he has an offense that is incapable of scoring
points. A quarterback that is afraid, an offensive coordinator that is not
qualified to be in this league and a very very long way to go. Saturday was
just plane embarrasing. It wasn't that Utah was that much better, it was that
BYU and its lathergic offense gave them the game. It was the BYU offense that
scored 3 of the touchdowns for Utah. Its pretty tough to win when our offense
scores more points for the other team than they do for your own team.
Classless Ute Fan:It would be kinda hard for Jake to go on a
mission...he's married. Somefolks thought that would help with his
maturity on the field, but it's certainly not evident yet.
@Classless Ute Fan"I have a question. What if this loss makes
Jake do a little soul searching and helps him to decide to go on a
mission?"They usually don't send married people on missions --
not since Joseph Smith's time, anyway. Older, retired married people go on
missions together, but not young people. And Jake got married at the ripe old
age of 20. I'm sure marriage isn't helping his game any.
sneeky, don't forget the LBs are top 10 too
I maintain that BYU has some talented players. And it was a shame to waste that
talent on an first-time offensive coordinator. BYU deserves to hire someone
with proven success. This is high stakes football. You don't give someone thier
first shot at coaching on this level. You're just doing your fans and your
players a dis-service. Players didn't agree to play at BYU because BYU had
Doman. They came for that high scoring football plan. This is where
quarterbacks become famous. We might lose Tanner Mangum if this keeps up, and
that kid is good. Don't hire coaches just because they used to play for BYU.
Hire coaches that have shown they can coach. I stated last week that we
shouldn't compare Doman to Chow. Chow is leagues above Doman in skill,
experience, and poise. Doman should not have been hired to learn as he goes. BYU
should hire someone with a great success record in coaching. The fans and
players deserve it.
I am concerned. Heaps might be our 3rd best QB, but Bronco is too occupied
trying to come up with cool catch phrases and the defense to know and Doman is
too occupied and overwhlemed as evidenced by his shoddy play calling and
disorganized efforts to know.I am confident we will win the majority
of remaining games but I am unsure whether that will be much of an
accomplishment. How many years in a row can we get destroyed during the
difficult part of our schedule and then beat up on the weaker teams on our
schedule and then claim drastic improvement only for the cycle to repeat?
Here is the best way to bounce back from that game. Bench Heaps and put Lark or
Nelson in as QB, put Doman in the skybox so he can observe and call plays (like
every other offensive cord. on the planet) and start fresh this Saturday. It's
obvious that BYU has placed too much pressure on Heaps with all the national
press stating how good he is supposed to be. Nelson has already proved he can
move the ball and win games. Lark is also a really good QB. Just give him the
chance. He also has not been pressured by all the press that schools can place
on a player either. Start either Nelson or Lark on Sat. and they'll play like
they have nothing to lose and would probably deliver a very solid performance.
Heaps showed that he is not ready for the spotlight yet. The team also revealed
that they may have some serious chemistry issues by the way they just gave up.
Time for a new QB.
I really do wish BYU well when they aren't playing Utah but the post game
attitudes from BYU coaches or players the last few years make it really hard to
support the program.Hard fought down to wire BYU win = Max Hall hate
rantHard fought down to wire Utah win = Better team didn't necessarily
winBlowout Utah win = The win was given to Utah by BYUWith all
the talk about tradition, spirit and honor, how about a little sportsmanship?
UCF is a very good football team. BYU is in trouble. Heaps thinks he is Steve
Young but he hasn't proved anything. Has anyone asked Bronco if they intend on
switching QB's ?
Bronco say, "This is the deepest team we've ever had during my
tenure". Didn't we all hear 3 deep at every position? All schools can
claim the same if three are breathing. I think BYU is a great school
but your football program is bad right now and Bronco sounds more like David
Koresch of the Branch Dividians than a football coach. I agree that
football may be the 4th priority behind God, family and school. I think your
fans think you have put it number 9 behind those three plus nacho time, Angry
Birds, vacation, Jimmer and Scooby Doo. Bronco can say what he wants when he is
winning but right now his 3 deep team is sinking.
I usually enjoy BYU football, but after witnessing the type of 3-n-out offense
BYU has, I look forward to seeing my Weber State Wildcats get a crack at em in
the future. Unless something changes with the quarterback and offensive
coordinator positions at the Y, I'm actually looking forward to the Weber State
I played Rugby at a high level. My position (scrum-half) was the equivalent of
your QB. When things are tough the rest of the team looks at the pivotal
position for an example. I don't know Jake Heaps at all, but what I do not see
is a man that instills confidence when things are tough. It seems he can throw
the ball at will until he gets within 30 yards of the goal line, and so he
obviously has the tools. Tools are nothing without heart though, and there is a
different QB when he gets within 30 yards. He suddenly gets that look of a deer
in the headlights, and is running scared. He lacks the ability to make his
team-mates believe.I watched a very young Riley Nelson when visiting
friends in the Cache Valley a few years ago. He has less tools than Heaps, but
has a few extras over Heaps. He has the heart of a lion, refuses to lose, and
is also unpredictable to defences. They never know when he will suddenly run
though them like a hot knife through butter. It's time to change QB's in my
I have a question. What if this loss makes Jake do a little soul searching and
helps him to decide to go on a mission? Wouldn't that be the best thing to
happen for him? Then after he matures, he can come back and play better
football. I don't see him on a path for football success at the moment.
Hopefully he could mature on a mission, both beneficial for himself and for
whoever he goes to serve.
@JayDee...The point is, Heaps (as usual) is aggressively dodging
accountability. I can't tell you how immature excuse-makers sound, and Heaps is
an excuse-maker.It wasn't "I didn't play well and we
lost"... but rather "it was just bad luck that we gave the ball to
Utah 7 times, so it's not my fault."That's the way it has been
with this guy. Last year, after BYU started 1-2, Heaps predicted a 10-0 rout to
close the season. The next week, after another loss, Heaps said BYU would go 9-0
to finish the season. And on and on and on... and on.The guy never
takes responsibility for bad play... always blames someone or something else...
and runs his mouth trying to give as little credit to the opposing team as
possible. It's always that BYU beat themselves, and never the other team that
beat BYU.The guy is not a leader. The guy is not mature. And the guy
believes waaaay too much in his own hype.And that's not what
champions are made of. Heaps is an excuse-maker, and until he grows up I will
revel in his failure.
Predictions: UCF, SJSU, Idaho State, Idaho, New Mexico State --
certain wins (blow-outs, in fact). Oregon State, USU, Hawaii -- probable
wins. TCU -- probable loss (even though this year's TCU team is not nearly
as good as last year's team). It is likely that BYU will have at least 8
wins at the end of the season because of the overall low level of competition
scheduled and will earn the spot in the Armed Forces Bowl. However, the pain of
this embarrassing loss to Utah will linger -- maybe forever.
The QB Factory needs to put a new QB on the assembly line. Heaps has never been
that good and the morale of your entire team is wallowing in the depths of
despair, because the team knows that at least a couple of your other 10 QB's
could perform just as well, and perhaps much better. Go AGGIES!
I hope that after the fans cheered for Nelson yesterday that Heaps feels
slightly threatened and produces a great game, which will help his confidence
and get the offense going for the rest of the season. I also hope that it
doesn't rattle his confidence any more.
If I were a BYU fan I would be concerned. BYU flat out quit in the fourth
quarter. I'm not sure I've seen that before out of BYU. Brandon Doman may not
know how to quit, but the BYU defense does.
@JayDee... See the whole problem is at BYU they talk the talk, but haven't
walked the walk. At the U we do our talking on the field. I can't blame you as
well as other Y fans for feeling a little lied to and confused. You guys were
told time after time that this offense would be unstoppable, that it was a
machine. We now know that's FALSE. You were told you had a top ten WR core.
FALSE. A three headed monster at RB. FALSE. That your QB would be a Heisman
canidate. FALSE, he is probably the 3rd best QB in the state. That this D would
be stellar. FALSE, until they line up against the little sisters of the poor.August National Championships, Heisman trophies don't get it done on the
field, blue collar hard work does.....
Re: CougFaninTXI agree that it could be a situation like Texas.
We'll see what happens, but I think that James Lark could very well be our Case
McCoy if we need him. Nelson isn't, he clearly demonstrated that during garbage
You can't bounce back if you were never there in the first place. The byu
team is not prepared for football át. The fbs level ( this year).When you have your first team offensive line going against the opponent'
s second strong, and a defensder forces your qb to fumble that gets returned for
a fourth quarter TD, what does it say about your ability to play at this level
where there is pressure and challenges to overcome in all 4 quarters? - the
cougs played as if the game was only the first 30 minutes.
Gilbert is clearly the most talented QB on the Texas football team. But he was
not able to move the offense. McCoy has played the last six quarters and
completely turned the Longhorns around. On paper and at practice, Gilbert is
far more talented than McCoy. But in a game; McCoy has heart, leadership, and
moves the offense.Heaps is clearly a more talented QB than our other
four QBs. But if he struggles to move the offense in Q1 and Q2 against UCF, I
think Nelson or Lark should be given the opportunity to see what they can do in
I'm left to wonder what would have happened . . . If it wouldn't
have been for the bad snap that gave the Utes 7 points, and if DiLuigi had not
fumbled on the 3 yard line - BYU would have been up 17 to 0. At that point,
maybe the Utes would have started to give up, and the Cougs would have played
with more passion.I know, would've, could've, should've.BYU quit when they were down 30 something - 10; which is also
disappointing.Congrats on Ure win.@pac12fan - I
guarantee BYU will not lose to UCF, USU, OSU, TCU and Hawaii. They may lose 2
or even 3 of those games, but not all 5.And since you like to throw
stones, I guarantee that Utah basketball will not finish the next season above
Re: MIPUCF, USU, OSU, TCU and Hawaii will be losses. Utah was one of
BYU's predicted wins. Lucky to go 6-7 at this point but you will qualify for
your silly bowl.
Seriously don't think BYU will recover well from this game. The coaches have to
be thinking that all is lost. It is obvious that the fans want something more
than the administration. There is nothing to play for after the Texas loss.
Besides the money and exposure, BYU fans would probably rather be playing in the
MWC. Football is about playing for something bigger. Playing MWC teams are
better than big sky and bad WAC teams.
I hope BYU finds a way to bounce back. They need a good running game to do it,
though, so those backs (goal of "300 yds/game") need to step it up. As
a Ute fan, the better they look, the better this blowout is for Utah.Looking ahead:-UCF (2-1) Lost to Florida International; routed winless
Boston College.Edge: BYU, IF they can mentally shake this past Saturday
off.-USU (1-1) Currently the Aggies have the best rated QB in the
state and last year showed they aren't afraid. BYU has revenge and home
field.Edge: Even-SJSU(0-3) Come on.Edge: BYU-Oregon State (0-2). By the time they play the Y, I predict the Beavers will
be either 1-4 or 0-5. Not good. Edge: BYU -Idaho State (2-1).
Improved over last year, but still a mediocre FCS team.Edge: BYU -TCU (2-1). After BYU beat Ole Miss and TCU lost to Baylor, I said the cougs
had a chance. Not so much anymore.Edge: TCU -Idaho/NMSU (2-4
combined) Come on.Edge: BYU-Hawaii. In the islands, not
Vegas.Edge: EvenBYU should finish at least 8-4.
@ NomadSorry that I missed YOUR stellar play on the field last
night. Which numbered red jersey did you have on?Technically, BYU
did give Utah the game. (Second play unforced fumble in the end zone and then an
unforced muffed kickoff return resulting in 14 pts). BYU only scored ten, so
that WAS the game. See, I can be an inflexible literalist as well.
A team commits seven turnovers (yes, Utah forced the majority) and
the feeling from a player is that they gave the ball up...hence giving Utah
scoring opportunities...as was stated. Utah of course capitalized and should be
congratulated, but in a game full of so many miscues, poor execution, and
bumbling mistakes I don't fault a team or player on the losing end of of a
blowout loss that was close for the first half for expressing frustration with
those words.Let's see if you are still a stickler for player
comments when Utah is on the wrong end of one of these games for the same kinds
of miscues. For example, oh, a blocked field goal on the last play of the game.
Based on what has happened at BYU last year and coming into this year so far, it
is time to take a hard look at this coaching staff. Based on comments from BYU's
booster club interview, it seems that the Cougars are not in it to win it, but
have a bigger purpose on the field. Based upon what all of us watched, I am
trying to figuer out what this "bigger purpose" is. Since making the
announcement of going independent, the results have not yet proved this to be a
wise decision. When your head coach tells the booster club that he is not there
to put a winning program on the field, then there is a problem with
understanding what the real mission is. While this is just one game in many, it
was one of the biggest for the Cougars and they dropped the ball on this one.
Cougar fans want to know what this program and coach are about this year. It may
be time to make a complete change in the coaching staff and start over.
With cupcakes like: Central Florida, Idaho, Idaho State, San Jose State and New
Mexico State...BYU may very well qualify for Armed Forces Bowl...and they will
credit Bronco for another nice recovery to finish the season at 7-6 (like last
"A loss like this, especially when we knew the game could be so much
different, you walk away from this game just shaking your head just because of
the fact that we gave (Utah) the game." - Jake HeapsA comment
like that is par for the course with BYU. The next time a BYU player gives an
opposing player credit it will be the first.
You know the picture says it all. I got sick & tired of those guys on
defense acting as if they just made the play that won the national championship
on a 1 yard gain. I know you should play with intensity, but its ridiculous how
they acted. I didn't seem to see them hopping around like that in the second
half. ACT like you been there before!!I yea, you haven't.
Thank you Jake Heaps for giving us(utah) a win. Clearly the Utes were incapable
of winning the game themselves. Thank you for allowing us to win this one. You
and byu are just filled with charity. You are a saint Jake and I can't wait till
you win your national championship. Tell Roscoe hello from me.