Mike Sorensen: Don't overreact to the big blowout

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    Sept. 23, 2011 4:49 p.m.

    BYU has some serious problems, coming from a BYU fan. They are pulling the best recruiting classes they ever have yet the results don't seem to be trending in the same direction.

    UCF +2 is a steal

  • deseret pete robertson, Wy
    Sept. 23, 2011 12:20 p.m.

    WOW ---- LISTEN to all the cry babies --- It's only one game --- Those who cry the loudest know the least and are fair weather fans whose loyalty is as fleeting as the blowing of the wind who changes bandwagons as often as a fly on a horses tail. ---- Get a job as a coach if you know so much.

  • Cosmo4President PROVO, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 11:37 a.m.

    It was 4th & 18.

  • butters Salt Lake city, UT
    Sept. 20, 2011 10:20 p.m.


    doman is the qb coach

  • ParkCoug PARKER, CO
    Sept. 20, 2011 7:34 p.m.

    Here's hoping that Heaps and the OC, Doman, can get things figured out soon. By the way, who is the QB coach? Heaps should have had things figured out by now part way into his 2nd year with all the starts he has had and all of the professional oversight/training provided by the QB coach to date.

  • prickly-cactus TOQUERVILLE, UT
    Sept. 20, 2011 5:04 p.m.

    I am having a hard time with the animosity that is generated and the stupidity that occures when Utah and BYU meet for either hoops or gridiron contests. I, and most of my associates are aligned with one of the 2 teams and do want them to be victors. However, when not playing each other I find myself rooting for the other Utah based team. I want them both to do well. Why would I want to trash talk, malign, or belittle the other team that makes the State gain recognition, produces smart graduates and helps define who we are.
    I once was of the opinion that sportsmanship was a responsibility of and expected from all players fans, and media persons. From what I read see and experience, there is a codicil in our cultural standards that allows stupidity, pranks, obscenity and rude behavior because we are either blue or red and happen to be competing this week. Sad!

  • Silent Observer SLC, UT
    Sept. 20, 2011 2:48 p.m.

    Maybe some of the game's outcome was due to bad karma catching up with BYU.

    Mendenhall's pregame comments about the better team not winning last year started it.

    In the first half, there were a lot of cheap shots and trash talk on BYU's part. For example, the no-call helmet-to-helmet shot by Uale on DeVonte Christofer.

    This type of behavior motivates an opposing team. It was just stupid of BYU to do these sorts of things.

    I know that on an administrative level, BYU is all about being a good example to the world. Perhaps its football team could begin a successful turn-around by acting a little more Christian.

  • golfrUte SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 20, 2011 1:26 p.m.

    I am a life long Ute fan and take pride in my alma mater. I also have respect for BYU as an institution and enjoy seeing their teams succeed when they aren't playing the Utes. I think it is great when our local teams do well. That being said, I think Heaps has a lot of physical skills and most likely will develop into a successful QB, but he seems rather immature and lacking in leadership skills. I'd sit Heaps for a couple of games to allow him to gain some perspective and a little humility. In the meantime, keep him away from microphones and reporters as he seems incapable of giving any credit to his opponents and serves up bulletin board material on a frequent basis. Mendenhall's record settles the issue as to whether he can coach, clearly he can. The jury is out on Doman and time will tell, but it's hard to believe he doesn't game coach from the box.

    With all the turmoil in conference alignment, I hope the rivalry game continues as it is one of the best rivalries in all of college football. Go Utes!

  • Kouger Lehi, UT
    Sept. 20, 2011 1:07 p.m.

    The reason people overreact is because BYU - and the media - overhyped and over-pumped their skills and expectations. Now we know the truth that they are not a good team - at least the coaches - therefore people will stop going or watching the games.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 20, 2011 1:03 p.m.

    After 3 games, you have a team that can't play the second half of the game.... what would be a proper amount of reaction?

  • wly123 Keller, TX
    Sept. 20, 2011 12:45 p.m.

    There are real issues with this offence that need to be addressed immediately. They were evident in the first two games and have come to a head in this game; address them now or lose the season. There is trouble in River City and it starts with a capital JH, he has demonstrated no leadership ability and right now the only reason anyone would follow him is out of idle curiosity. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing the same way and expecting a different result. Last year Bronco had to fire the defensive coordinator to get the teams attention; who is he going to fire this year? Bronco has less than half of the first quarter of Fridays game to turn it around if he stays with JH. The problem is so often we wait till we hit bottom before we change, when everyone around us is yelling at us to watch out for the cliff. Will Bronco lead this over the edge before he takes control again?

  • bradleyc Layton, UT
    Sept. 20, 2011 12:30 p.m.

    This was a big thing for Cougar fans for a day. Not a big deal if the Cougars recover and do great things this year. BYU needs to quit saying that they need to establish the run game. During the Doug Scovil days the run game was equivalent to the short passing game. BYU needs to execute, run crossing patterns, throw to the open spots and have receivers in running the plays and knowing which spots to be in. Jake needs to be smart enough to read the spots. Then once in a while throw in a run just for kicks. If BYU is truly to return to the glory of the 80s where we consistently blew out Utah then we must innovate on the offensive end. In the 80s other teams knew they would need to outscore BYU an fans always knew that no matter the score in the 4th quarter BYU had the ability to beat the other team and come back. Time to get back to BYU football.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Sept. 20, 2011 8:42 a.m.

    re: Jeff Is

    I guess whatever makes BYU fans feel better about the beatdown!

    Here's the truth, and if you watched the entire game and are willing to be honest, you'll understand it is truth.

    BYU came out on fire for this game, after all since they have a .00000009% chance of every going undefeated and to a BCS game, this is what their new Independence season comes down to....BEAT UTAH.

    BYU defenders were flying all over the field, hitting guys late and illegally, hitting WR's early, trash talking after every simple tackle. Your OC was chest bumping players 10 yards onto the field after your only TD! BYU was as amped for this game as I've ever seen them.

    And at the same time, Utah remained calm. Little jawing back and forth, nothing else. No dumb late hit penalties, no standing over BYU players trash talking.

    And in the end, BYU ran out of gas, as Utah crushed their spirit. In the game that means everything to BYU now, they were completely EXPOSED by Utah.

  • Dennis Harwich, MA
    Sept. 20, 2011 8:20 a.m.

    ""In fact, BYU may still end up winning more games than Utah this year.""
    This has nothing to do with anything. Utah can lose them all but beating the Y like that makes the season. That's the thing that troubles BYU supporters. Y people expect perfection from their team and any loss is take way too seriously.
    Utah fans just look at each game one at a time. Which is better?

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Sept. 20, 2011 7:56 a.m.

    Jeff Is,

    Are you kidding me? If Utah used a different defensive strategy to force seven turnovers, don't you think they would use that strategy in EVERY game? Maybe that would have made the difference in the USC game.

    I agree that Coach Whit may have used Coach Mendenhall's statement about "maybe the best team didn't win last year" as motivation, but what is your evidence that he "has complete distain" for BYU?

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Sept. 20, 2011 6:30 a.m.

    Jeff Is,

    Your post is maybe the most ridiculous one on this string, and that's saying a lot.

    If Utah changed their defensive philosophy to "destroy their opponent with turnovers," and it led to a seven turnover, 44 point dismantling of their rival, then why wouldn't the Utes use this secret weapon in every game they play? Why not use it against USC, for example? Would that have made the difference?

    The Utah defense didn't do anything unusual in an effort to get BYU to cough up the ball. As always, they played aggressive, physical defense. The turnovers came as much, probaly more, from BYU's poor ball security than it did from Utah stripping the ball or otherwise forcing fumbles.

    You're probably right on one account - Coach Whittingham probably used Coach Mendenhall's statement about "maybe the better team didn't win last year" as motivation. But what is your evidence that Coach Whit "has complete distain" for BYU?

  • Max Syracuse, NY
    Sept. 20, 2011 5:08 a.m.

    It is not possible to over react to such a complete meltdown. Actually, it isn't so much the 54-10 thrashing that is so troublesome, it is that fact that BYU just quite playing after they got down 30-10. At that point they had accepted defeat. WHAT? Three touchdowns would have still won it for them at that point. Jim McMahon brought the Cougars back from this same deficit with 3:56 left in the game years ago in the Holiday Bowl but these guys have been fed Kool Aid for so long that they really thought they were the anointed ones and that they were destined to greatness. They were the epitome of entitlement. When they realized that they were in the fight of their lives, they quit. THEY QUIT. You CANNOT over react to this. This is a crisis of heart. BYU simply must stop all the talk. They talk and talk and talk of greatness, more than any team I have ever seen. Not even Alabama talks so much. STOP THE TALKING! When was the last time a Utah player or coach spout off his mouth?

  • Pragmatic Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 11:48 p.m.

    The future of BYU football is looking bleak. Not being in a good conference, or in BYU's case, a conference at all..is not a good thing. Especially when winning games is 5th on the list of important things to do according to the BYU Coaching Staff...

  • D'Anconia Providence, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 10:32 p.m.


    Don't for get that, "Saturday is a special day. It's the day we get ready for Sunday"

    So Bronco also helped all those fans get home early so they could, "clean [their] nails and wash [their] hair so [they could] be ready for Sunday!"

  • Jeff ls Farr West, 84404
    Sept. 19, 2011 10:06 p.m.

    Here is some more analysis for you. Jordan Wynn. What happens when you throw hard, suffer an injury requiring surgery and then try to throw hard again. Jordan still struggles with his passing and this is why. The tendons in his throwing shoulder at stretched. Weighs can help but it will never be the same, without shortening the tendons. There could also be problems with that procedure. Proper game planning and execution and he should be ok with time.
    I used to pitch and could throw in the 80's. I have loose tendons now. I sleep on my side and as the body relaxes the tendons get stretched.
    How about Jake Heaps. This is what I think his problem is. It is two fold. First he has Sophomore eyes, he does not see the plays fully yet. The other problem is he is married and I think his wife has expressed worry about him getting hurt. He is tentative on a lot of plays.

  • Jeff ls Farr West, 84404
    Sept. 19, 2011 9:53 p.m.

    First & foremost congratulations to Kyle's team for their game prep. Now a little analysis. Kyle is a great coach. Kyle also holds a grudge. For example the Wyoming incident with Joe Glen. Kyle accomplished what is known as the beat down. Last year after the game what did Bronco say? He said " I am not so sure the best team won tonight". In Kyles mind that was the exact same type of statement that Joe said. All year Kyle remembers it. This is what the beat down consists of. It is a defensive style of play. The object is to destroy your opponent with turnovers. Each time the other team runs an offensive play you have one person assigned to tackle the offensive player. You also have other players who are assigned to specifically dislodge the ball, thus creating a turnover. The offense eventually looses its concentration and lots of turnovers occur. Kyle has complete disdain for BYU. You will not see this tactic the rest of the season. For the most part, it is only used on BYU. Watch the films. Warning to BYU. USU will also try to do this. Bronco prep your players.

  • Mitchell_12 Ogden, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 9:47 p.m.

    BYU... Can you say, you just got Jimmered?

  • carver Enterprise, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 9:33 p.m.

    I think Bronco was nice in taking all the blame but take away accountability from the players and your asking for failure.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Sept. 19, 2011 9:15 p.m.

    BYU fans ripping on Bronco should really chill out. Look at all he has done for you with these serious accomplishments.

    He brought back that Old Y logo, hikes up to the Y. I mean, wow!
    Many trip to the Vegas Bowl, neato! It's such a nice wholesome city to go to.
    Slogans on T shirts, be still my beating heart!
    Helmet stickers, Oh My Heck!

    The best part of all is he cleared out the stadium in the 3rd and 4th quarter in such a steady fashion that there wasn't the traffic jam post game. That also helps the environment from so many cars idling at the same time. Thanks Bronco.

    Maybe someday Bronco will actually focus on football.

  • localblue Sandy, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 9:07 p.m.

    I'm sorry but this was predictable. Bronco and Jake were overconfident even in preseason, saying the team was ahead of where they wanted to be and a NC was their goal. I guess they don't take the lessons of the BoM very literally. Hubris before the fall my friends.

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 9:06 p.m.

    @ jarka-rus | 5:24 p.m. Sept. 19, 2011
    Layton, Utah

    Cry it out, it will make you feel better.


  • eagle Provo, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 9:01 p.m.


    I disagree with your analysis on the emotion thing. If anything, in its last two games especially, BYU comes out way too amped up. Then when the emotional energy runs out it effects their physical state.

    Great teams generally come out with an even keel. They don't get hyped up, they don't panic if adversity comes at the first of the game.

    Of course you want to come out ready to play, the Utes didn't against USC and found themselves in a 10-0 hole but if you come out with too much fervor, you burn yourself out and I think that is what exactly happened to BYU. Plus their coaches aren't making halftime and game adjustments which exacerbates the problem.

  • Ben H Clearfield, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 8:55 p.m.

    How about this one...Hello Mike, you have been fired. Please don't over-react.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Sept. 19, 2011 8:53 p.m.

    neglib said:

    "Herriman, UT
    Cavetroll.......BYU was forced into taking on Boise State's schedule to make sure that have a full schedule for 2011. Don't worry, while the Utes get used to playing quality Pac 12 caliber teams like WSU and Colorado in the future, BYU will be playing Notre Dame, Texas, G Tech and West Virginia."

    As teams move to super conferences, they will change their future scheduling. Bank on it. There is no guarantee that BYU will play ND, Texas and the others you mentioned down the road. Agreements can be broken. Happens all the time. Meanwhile Utah will be on the inside playing in a power conference. BYU, well they will be on the outside playing dodge ball with San Jose St.

  • Old Navy Provo, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 8:41 p.m.

    I'm not overreacting, I've been going to BYU games since 1974, but the score against Utah and the offensive production this season thus far tell the story.

  • butters Salt Lake city, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 8:27 p.m.


    so byu losing to a 24th ranked texas team, although it was close it was still a loss, would indicate that byu can't play with the big boys either, right?

    i guess i'll give you ole miss, oh wait, they just got blown out by vanderbilt. oh and your measly offense only scored one touchdown that game too.

    oh, by the way...


  • Al Thepal Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 7:47 p.m.

    As a BYU fan, I agree with atl134. However, I would not say that Utah is necessarily the more talented team. Talent-wise I would say they are about even. However, I think Utah is a MUCH better coached team, at least on offense and special teams. Defensive coaching is about even. Utah is also a MUCH more disciplined team that is MUCH less prone to making big bone headed mistakes. This is probably tied to the fact that they are coached better.

    So, although I am not calling for any coaching changes just yet, I think most of the blame lies with the coaches. I hate to say that because I like the coaches. I still think Bronco is a good coach, but maybe not quite up to Whittingham's level. I loved Doman as a QB and a QB coach, but I just don't think he has what it takes to ever be a good Offensive coordinator (I admit I may be judging too quickly).

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 7:45 p.m.

    Overreact. Season over.

  • Ballplayer Spanish Fork, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 7:39 p.m.

    Why do so many people become jerks after a game is over? I love sports, but guys it's only a game, and one none of you even played in. If you are getting your self worth from what happened on Saturday night (and judging from the comments, I think people on both sides are applying this game to their self worth) then you need to get a life. Congratulations to the Utes. Better luck next time to the Cougars. I hope they all get a first rate education in their 4 years on campus and go on to make the world a better place.

  • Laurels Sandy, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 7:36 p.m.


    People show they care for different causes in a variety of ways. Wynn's purpose in growing his hair is not to look like a "cover girl" but to do something to honor his grandmother. Your choice of words to describe Wynn's efforts for Locks of Love has a denigrating and judgmental feel to them.

    Lance Armstrong has chosen other avenues to help cancer patients. Just because Lance Armstrong hasn't chosen to grow out his hair and donate it to Locks of Love doesn't mean that choice is silly or inconsequential, or that Armstrong doesn't care about helping cancer patients as much as Jordan Wynn does, or vice versa. Truthfully, that really was a nonsensical comparison on your part.

    The length of Wynn's hair will not impact his playing ability, nor does it determine his effectiveness as a QB.

    Perhaps you prefer short hair on your football players. Truthfully, I do too. But if growing his hair out for Locks of Love helps him deal with the grief of his grandmother's death by allowing him to do something concrete to show his support for other cancer patients, it wouldn't hurt to give him some credit for the kindness.

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 7:31 p.m.

    UFC is no good, rather....If you saw the score and who beat them last game, you would agree.

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 7:30 p.m.

    UCF is now good. Did you see who beat them last weekend?

  • Duh west jordan, ut
    Sept. 19, 2011 7:08 p.m.

    Funny how a bunch of people tell Mendenahall to get fired up. Well, lets see, Lavell Edwards got fired up less than Mendenahall and yet he has a National Championship and dominated Utah for 20 years or more. So tell me what that means to get fired up? I don't think Kyle gets much more fired up than Mendenahall does, at least they don't show it on TV very much. I see about equal amount of passion.

    As for this year, the game is over, I am licking the wounds, taking my lumps and moving on. No matter what, I will always be a Cougar fan no matter where all this alignment takes them. I will never second guess our coach. You know people, it just may be that our players just can't execute. Take away the turnovers for this game, maybe it's a different outcome. Lose your confidence and you can just throw in the towel. BYU lost theirs way too early. Here's hoping they get it back.

  • RantBully Bend, OR
    Sept. 19, 2011 7:04 p.m.

    If BYU keeps playing like this, I think they should drop the Utes as a rivalry game and schedule the University of Phoenix instead.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Sept. 19, 2011 6:33 p.m.

    You have to take a moment and realize how low the BYU football program has fallen when the only thing they have left is to criticize a players HAIR that he is growing for a cancer charity. Take a long hard look in the mirror Cougar fan, this is what you are now, nitpicking hair and not football. You are not a football powerhouse or quarterback factory, you are hair critics. I for one celebrate anyone willing to help those with cancer suffer less.

    "Red | 5:07 p.m. Sept. 19, 2011
    Salt Lake City, UT
    @Laurels---Responding to my call for Wynn to cut his hair.
    Locks of Love? I didn't know that is what he said it was for BUT, I'm sticking to my statement.

    You don't see Lance Armstrong trying to look like a cover girl and growing his hair out. He cares just as much about cancer.

    I'm just saying that he needs all the help he can get looking like a football player."

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 6:01 p.m.

    As a Ute, I have to agree with the headline. Utah is the better school in football this year... but not nearly as much better as that game would indicate. After all the first half was extremely close and sloppy on both sides. What it does indicate is what the potential of these teams are (the second half is as good as Utah gets and as bad as BYU gets, play this game a bunch of times and the whole 54-10 thing would be an outlier).

  • runnerguy50 Virginia Beach, Va
    Sept. 19, 2011 5:42 p.m.

    Has anyone asked Bronco if there is a QB change in the mix ?

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Sept. 19, 2011 5:24 p.m.

    Duckhunter Hunter
    Are you kidding me?? Not part of the game so it didn't count. wow that is just brilliant. If they make that field goal its TIED!! And guess what the game in Texas to a top 25 ranked team was very competitive as well Final score 17-16 no final plays that didn't count.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 5:13 p.m.

    re:Dee J

    you're right - I forgot about Utah getting grilled by TCU. You have to admit though that Utah rarely gets blown out but BYU seems to have at least 2 per year. Yes BYU was in the game at the half but that is exactly my point. Good coaches and teams make adjustments and Utah certainly did and BYU didn't. BYU sticks with the 3 man rush all game long and gives Wynn - a side armed gimp that had basically nothing on his throws - 5 to 7 seconds to survey the field on each throw. Good grief a high school QB could have connected on most of the throws Wynn made with that much time. Most teams would have brought HUGE pressure on Wynn knowing his limited throwing ability but not Bronco. Also the fumbles are simply not being mentally prepared to play and not using good fundamentals. Every team fumbles now and then but BYU was a circus out there. When you go independent and all eyes on ESPN are on you a coach has to make certain his team is ready for the challenge and BYU was sleep walking all game long.

  • Red Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 5:07 p.m.

    @Laurels---Responding to my call for Wynn to cut his hair.
    Locks of Love? I didn't know that is what he said it was for BUT, I'm sticking to my statement.

    You don't see Lance Armstrong trying to look like a cover girl and growing his hair out. He cares just as much about cancer.

    I'm just saying that he needs all the help he can get looking like a football player.

  • Sports Nutz Smithfield, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 5:05 p.m.


    How can you possibly get on here and call Utah the Utesies? When you get beat as bad as the y did, you as fans should just take it and move on. There nothing you can say that makes you or your team look good. That was a complete beating. I am looking forward to my Aggies playing the y in 2 weeks. Go Aggies! Go Utes! Go Wildcats!

    P.S. GoodGuyGary said that "good teams finds ways to win and bad teams find ways to lose!" What do horrible teams do? GGG hasn't been on here the past 2 weeks? Maybe he and duckhunter left town?

  • Jaycee over Jimmer CORONA, CA
    Sept. 19, 2011 5:04 p.m.

    Dont overreact that byu is inferior to utah

  • Kaha Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 4:47 p.m.


    Same question at you. If a team that according to you, can't play on a big stage with the "big boys", comes in and completely embarrasses you at home, on national television, what does that have to say about your cougs being able to "play" on any stage, against any opponent.

    Time to look inward instead of lashing out like a jealous brother.

  • TheHailstorm South Weber, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 4:41 p.m.

    The good news is that with those 11 yards rushing from the Utah game they are now 118th in the nation in rushing offense. That highly touted O-line is really helping to lead the way for the backs with an average of just over 45 yards per game. Just over 11 yards per quarter. Outstanding !!!!

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 4:39 p.m.

    Jark -

    Utah lost by 3 at USC. USC scored a measly 17 in that same game (yes, the final score was 23-14, but the blocked FG points weren't really part of the game). The game was highly competitive. Once USC's ban is lifted I don't know if Utah will be able to hang, but they did a few weeks ago.

    What does your same argument say about BYU if they got waxed by 44 by Utah?

  • owlmaster2 Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 4:37 p.m.

    @ utehaterforlife in syracuse....

    Cry me a river... Personally I don't care if my Utes win another game this year.. 54-10 is the story.. They didn't just beat you, they decimated you.
    I'd rather be at the bottom of the best than at that bottom of nothing.

    bYu has nothing to look forward to. Nothing to shoot for. Nothing.

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 4:27 p.m.

    @ jarka-rus | 4:18 p.m. Sept. 19, 2011
    Layton, Utah

    The big boys play hard the entire game win or lose.

    54-10 against your Cougars.


  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 4:21 p.m.

    Funniest part of the night (and there were plenty so it was difficult to narrow it to just one) was when ESPN showed the mass exodus of BYU "fans" heading out of the stadium way before the game was over.

    The team gave up, but so did the fans.

    Brutal beatdown!

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Sept. 19, 2011 4:18 p.m.

    Henry Drummond
    The Utesies lost to USC right? and only scored a measly 14 points. What does that say about the Utesies being able to "play" with the big boys on a big stage?

  • Dee J Portland, OR
    Sept. 19, 2011 4:05 p.m.

    To patriot | 3:20 p.m.: "When was the last time Utah got beat by 40?"

    Seriously? November 6, 2010: TCU 47, Utah 7. ESPN College Game Day. And correct me if I'm wrong, but Kyle was the Utes coach that game. I hope you were being facetious.

    BYU has developed a bad tendency to lay huge eggs at home in big games - TCU, Florida State, now Utah...

    Mistakes aside, this was a game right up until the last minute of the first half. My guess is on that last Utah drive of the first half, Chow saw something in the BYU secondary that he thought his offense could exploit - left side coverage was weak. Of course, Chow was watching from the press box, where any good offensive coordinator should be (memo to Doman).

    Congrats Utes - good beatdown. I'm sure it felt awesome for you.

    Cougars - it's gone, forget it, now get pumped up for this week.

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 3:54 p.m.

    Hey Cougar fans. Let's be a little patient with our team and coaches. Remember it was first year offensive coordinator (Coach Doman) up against a very experienced 25 year + Norm Chow not to mention Jake Heaps is a sofamore - not a senior!.

    Lets keep rooting for our team and hope they get better from the experience. Winning teams take time to develop.

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 3:23 p.m.

    God has always been a Ute fan. CTR mean Choose the Red, regardless of what others may believe.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 3:20 p.m.

    when you get pounded 54-10 there is no such thing as "over reaction". BYU fans should be disgusted with what happened on Saturday. When was the last time Utah got beat by 40? It will never happen with Kyle as coach at the U but with Bronco Y fans are getting used to this sort of thing and they are sick of it. TCU has pounded BYU the last 2 meetings and this year will probably be more of the same. Something is missing with Bronco - he can't seem to find good assistants and there are games when the Y just doesn't show up. BYU should have beaten a Texas team at Texas that pounded UCLA but looked like a high school JV team against Utah. BYU plays in the heart of SEC country and wins but finds itself sleep walking at home. I don't get it. All I know is well coached teams don't fumble 7 times and good coaches makes adjustments at half time when you are getting ZERO pass rush against a QB that would have a hard time starting on a high school team (Wynn). Something is WRONG in Provo.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Sept. 19, 2011 2:38 p.m.

    That's like saying "don't overreact to the sinking of the Titanic."

    You have an offense that has scored exactly one touchdown per game. If you subtract the turnovers that led to scores by the opposing team, you are in negative territory. You are actually better off punting on first down so the offense can't turnover the ball.

    Don't kid yourself, its time to panic.

  • cymrul West Valley City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 2:30 p.m.

    Soooooo does this mean that God is now a Utes fan??

  • CRB Woods Cross, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 2:25 p.m.

    Just a couple of observations for those who would try to spin this and not learn from it.

    1. Utah scored 17 straight points to go from 7-10, to a lead of 24-10 with the benefit of no turnovers, no favorable calls and no breaks. Long drives with solid QB play. The game was over at that point and the Cougars coaching staff and players had quit by then. The rest was what happens when one team quits.

    2. The Head coach is responsible for putting on the field a poorly conditioned team that doesn't finish a game.

    3. The Head coach is responsible for offering the world to a HS QB when he is clearly not even the kind of QB that fits into the system. BYU has been successful with QB's mostly that could move and throw on the move. Why? Because BYU has never had an Oline that could stand up against the better teams on its schedule.

    4. Is it really Doman's fault (Or Anie's fault for that matter)that he can't call plays that his team doesn't have the talent to execute.

    5. Its not about Execution its about getting crushed.

  • NealBForzodd AUSTIN, TX
    Sept. 19, 2011 2:04 p.m.

    bounce back? to what? to win games against new mexico state, idaho state, oregon state, San Jose State? - - if Jake "drive killer" heaps can't beat those guys, BYU is worse than we all thought.

    truth is -- this Utah game is THE GAME. - getting eeked by Texas was ok. We gave that one away, but we left that field with out heads high. The Defense left it all on the field. -- the offense stank it up. . but the defense showed up. - -Utah? - - ugliest display of football ever. Even running the table wont erase that game against Utah. -- BYU needs to practice longer. - -have footballs glued to their hands, and Doman needs to learn how to call plays from the skybox. - -or simply call plays. -- this 3yd gain -- 5 yard gain stuff gets old. - -it'd be fine if they could keep it going the entire length of the field, but Heaps finds a way to misfire and kill drives.- - tired of it. tired of it.

    Sept. 19, 2011 2:01 p.m.

    Good job Utes! You came to play and played with heart. Just how you are supposed to play in a rivalry game. Up by 40 or down by 40 you should still be out there giving it your all (Just like Coach Whit said.) There is no excuse for the lack of effort displayed in the 2nd half. You deserved to win and you did. I can only hope that this serves as a wake-up call for the boys in blue and things can get turned around for the remaining games, otherwise it will be another very long season.
    You have played great at times. Now is the time to rise-up and show everyone what you are made of. At the end of the season it can still be 11-2.
    Good game Utah 13-1
    Go Cougars

  • Weber State Graduate Clearfield, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 1:15 p.m.

    I know the players mostly do their best and it's not the fans out there taking the hits and busting a gut, but in this case, it's amazingly obvious that the players and coaches really let their fans down by simply giving up. After all, tickets prices are not that cheap, and since ticket prices are so expensive, BYU fans have a right to be disappointed over such a pathetic performance.

    There is something to be said about never giving up when you get smacked around. All fans who pay for a ticket deserve better and I hope BYU fans get their money's worth in the next few games. Something tells me they probably will...I still think many BYU players still have a lot of pride in what they are trying to do down there.

    Go Wildcats!

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Sept. 19, 2011 1:15 p.m.


    You said, "UCF is probably as good as anyone left on Utahs schedule."

    No unbiased observer would ever agree with you on that one. Let's see how the teams finish the season, shall we?

    I know it's frustrating that BYU played as poorly as they did Saturday night, but really?!

    If deceiving yourself about the toughness of UCF compared to ASU, Arizona, Pitt, Washington, Cal, all of whom were better than last year's 11-3 UCF squad according to Sagarin, and maybe the rest of the Pac-12 opponents that Utah will face is what it takes to get you through the day, then go for it. Just don't expect almost every other sports fan to agree with you on your assessment.

  • UtahMan4evr Sandy, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 12:51 p.m.

    Looking at Heaps play Saturday, I was underwhelmed. He has a great arm, but no heart. If I was a BYU coach, I would work to instill some pride in that young man and work harder to remove the ego. PLus he lacks fundementals. And a running game is definitely needed to make the passing game effective. It was easy to see that the BYU players quickly gave up when things didn't go their way. I actually felt sorry for them. Utah's offense could have played better, but even without all the turnovers the Utes would have won that game because they had more spirit and determination. But Y-fans, don't give up on them yet. With the cupcake schedule they play (well, with the exception of Central Florida, TCU, USU and possibly Hawaii,San Jose State and Idaho, maybe New Mexico State)the BYU football team will (probably) win just enough games to be eligible for the Armed Forces Bowl or whatever bowl will take them.

  • Laurels Sandy, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 12:31 p.m.

    @Red 9:08...

    Jordan Wynn is growing his hair in order to donate it to Locks of Love, a public non-profit organization that uses the donated hair to provide hairpieces to financially disadvantaged children in the United States and Canada suffering from long-term medical hair loss from any disease, with many of those individuals being cancer patients who have lost their hair due to chemotherapy treatments.

    Wynn's grandmother died earlier this year from cancer. From an August 31 DesNews article by Mike Sorensen, Wynn was quoted as saying: "My grandma passed away in May, so it brought a new-found awareness to cancer and I'd like to help out anybody with that as much as I can," Wynn said. "It's a nasty disease, so if I can donate my hair to make someone happy who's lost theirs then I'm going to do it."

    I also thought his long hair looked kind of silly until I learned the reason for it. Knowing his motivation, however, changed my perspective. I now see his long hair as a beautiful symbol of love for his grandmother and kindness for others.

  • gramma b Orem, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 12:20 p.m.

    Heaps has been a disappointment in every game this season, not just the Utah game.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 11:58 a.m.

    "Don't overreact to the blowout"

    The time to panic is when someone says "Don't Panic!"

    The time to overreact is when someone says "Don't Overreact!"

    People who say "Don't make a big deal out of this" are usually the people who are trying to cover their mistakes, dupe their followers, hide their corruption, or buy time to pull things out of a nose-dive they have created.

    Solid coaches produce solid teams. Solid teams find ways to win games. If they lose, they at least make it close. They don't roll over and give up.

    After the first fumble, solid coaches give skill players a stern warning. After the second fumble, starters get benched. After the 3rd, they should be sent to the locker room.

    7 Turnovers with 6 of them fumbles is unthinkable.

    Good coaches put people on the field who take care of the ball. If they don't take care of the ball, sit them on the bench.

    Good Athletic Directors put good coaches on the field. If coaches don't teach fundamentals like taking care of the ball, they go work elsewhere.

    Good Administrators put good ADs in office. If they choose bad coaches, they go.

  • UtahUte16 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 11:56 a.m.

    Chewbacca | 11:15 a.m. Sept. 19, 2011
    Magna, UT

    Where's the Duck?!

    I've been thinking the same thing. Anyone want to place some bets on how long it will take him to show face again?

  • Born in Provo Logan, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 11:52 a.m.

    What makes this year's debacle so difficult to take (I'm sure it was no fun for the team either) is last year's 4th quarter, with all the freak turnovers. That's 10 turnovers in 5 quarters. If BYU wins that game last year, this one would be easier to take. It just seems like the curse of that 4th quarter last year carried over into this year. Maybe Utah is just good at stripping the ball. Wow. Do we know less about this year's team than before the game was played? Humiliating, demoralizing, and more than anything else, puzzling. How do you have 354 yards of offense and only 10 points? The offense better get off the hamster-wheel it is on, or we're all going to be daydreaming of basketball all too soon. I was at the TCU game last year, and BYU's defense was stellar. When I saw the team take the field, arms locked in a show of solidarity, it was stirring. It showed in their play on the field. They held TCU to just over 100 rushing yards. This year's "O" has definitely taken a step back. Worst in all of FBS. What now?

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 11:50 a.m.

    The one thing that I have noticed about BYU recently is a distinct lack of emotion. Wether they are reflecting the way Bronco acts, or they just don't care, I don't know. All I know is that a team that goes out there and tries to act like engineers building a building, will lose more than they win. And when Bronco says that they just didn't execute, oh well. These players would be doing updowns the whole practice on Monday. All of them. NO scrimmage, no touching a football, no taking about a game coming up. There would be three hours of running and updowns. I get the players mad to the point that they would put some emotion into their play.

    BYU needs to get some emotion going. Build up some spark. Grow some stones. When I hear from the Zions Bank commercials that football is Bronco's last priority then he himself has something wrong with him. Coaching football is his job and at least it should be his #3 priority after family and church. Apparently, this lack of priority is now reflected in the way that his team plays.

    Bench the vanted Heaps and start Nelsen.

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 11:41 a.m.

    @ Utehaterforlife | 11:23 a.m. Sept. 19, 2011
    Syracuse, UT

    Please stop, you're embarrassing the rest of us. We should have a better record this year than almost any team. We play the 99th out of 120 easiest schedule (per ESPN).

    If we don't win all of the WAC opponents and Idaho State, something is really wrong.

  • SoCalUtahFan Utesville, CA
    Sept. 19, 2011 11:25 a.m.


    ...Where's the Duck?! ...

    There is a report that...Chris B was seen having Peking Duck for lunch on Sunday.

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 11:24 a.m.

    @ Chewbacca | 11:15 a.m. Sept. 19, 2011
    Magna, UT

    He's with Big Soccer and Where's Stockton.


  • Utehaterforlife Syracuse, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 11:23 a.m.

    I for one thought it was kind of funny to watch, it started to become commical when BYU fumbled that kick off, it was like what else can go wrong, don't let it think it will happen next year, and by the way Wynn cannot throw over 25 yards, you guys are in trouble when you guys play ASU and Arizona this year good luck with that one. BYU will still go 10-2, while Utah will only win 2 games this year.

  • Coug420 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 11:18 a.m.

    It's amazing that BYU fans on this board and those that I talk to in person and also the starting QB don't give credit to the U for the win.
    BYU gave them the game...
    If it wasn't for the turnovers...
    Utah isn't as good as the score indicated...

    Well if a 54-10 victory doesn't prove who the better team is then maybe stats from the last 10 years will help.
    Wins: Utes 7-3
    Points: Utes 292-187
    Bowl record: Utes 9-1, BYU 5-5

  • Chewbacca Magna, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 11:15 a.m.

    Where's the Duck?!

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 11:12 a.m.

    IDC | 10:41 a.m. Sept. 19, 2011
    Boise, ID

    UCF lost to an airport (Florida International)last Saturday.

    Get a clue.

  • butters Salt Lake city, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 11:05 a.m.


    ucf lost to florida international on saturday. sun belt.

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 10:54 a.m.

    Actually there is more good news and warm feelings about the Utah basketball program than the Y's football programs after Saturday night.....

    After all Utah has a history of basketball achievement that pales to the Y's in comparison. The Utes basketball program is not a one hit wonder like the Y's. What will they do now that Jimmer is gone? Playing in lots of high school sized gyms is just the exposure their program deserves.

  • aggieblue Saint George, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 10:53 a.m.

    Just for the record, your b ball team didn't quit, where are they now, I mean last year's team. Enough said, I don't want to be censored for being offensive to you.

    I am an Aggie through and through, football maybe we can catch the Y again. If we play like we did against Auburn and the Y plays like they did against the U we will win. Lot of "ifs" there huh?

    I discovered something, the sun will rise on the Y and set on the U. Enjoy the day and know this is not your life or mine. Enjoy the games and don't get so involved in "being better than one another." Too many armchair quarterbacks and coaches that never played the game.

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 10:46 a.m.

    Mike, the blue faithful have already over reacted to this game. Don't believe me, look at Jake Heap's comments about how if all the interceptions and fumbles hadn't happened it would have been a different game. Yes, and if Jake had not enrolled at the school in Provo, he would have not been playing and therefore any of his fumbles in another game would not have mattered, either.

    Note to Mike and Jake: after the Utes laid a butt kicking on the Crimson Tide in the Sugar Bowl, their fans didn't say if this or if that. They patted Utah fans on the back and said, Y'all whupped our butts! Good, job!

    It would be so very refreshing to hear those words from Provo after this game.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    Sept. 19, 2011 10:41 a.m.

    The loss was very painful. Utah had the better game but I would still take BYU in a rematch. I would acutally love to see BYU get another shot at Utah in a bowl game. (I know, probably not going to happen) UCF is probably as good as anyone left on Utahs schedule.

    The game got away from BYU. Many of the 7 turnovers were in really bad spots either giving points or taking points away from BYU.

    Heaps was on target for much of the game and seeing the WRs get involved was very good. BYU just got too far behind and everything fell apart. Hopefully they can put it all behind them for next week. Can't wait for the UCF game. Go Cougs!

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 10:34 a.m.

    @ CougFaninTX | 10:27 a.m. Sept. 19, 2011
    Frisco, TX

    Not hardly. Last year's B-ball team was bad but they didn't lay down and quit.

  • butters Salt Lake city, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 10:29 a.m.

    people who keep saying that byu gave the game away are crazy. i don't see in anyway how you can turn the ball over 7 times and say you just gave it away, saying all of those turnovers were on you and the other team didn't force them. byu had 7 turnovers, 5 of which were forced. those two by heaps and falslev were gift wrapped but the other 5 were all forced by utah's D. "jooce" took a hit, dropped the ball. star popped the ball out of jj's arms. reilly sacked heaps and nelson, both fumbled. heaps threw the ball behind falslev, jd couldn't hold onto it, chappuis fell under it and picked it. utah scored 31 points off of byu turnovers. heaps keeps asserting that if byu doesn't turn the ball over the game is completely different. take away 7 turnovers and 31 points, the score is still 23-10. utah's D came to play. byu's O was flustered and confused and their D just flat out quit. heck, their team flat out quit. there's no excuse for giving the game away when your team just quit.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Sept. 19, 2011 10:27 a.m.

    How I feel about my football team today, must be the same as how Utah fans feel about their basketball team.

  • Boston Spanish Fork, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 10:20 a.m.

    May I suggest we give the "other QB(s) a fair shake. I'm sick of BYU promising the kid a free pass in being the starting QB for 4 years (no matter the amount of mistakes he makes). C'mon, don't you think we are giving the kid a little too much slack? What about the other kids who are busting their rear-ends and with no doubt would do just as well as Sir Heaps, if not better. However, I don't think anyone else could fumble as well, or release the ball well before its time, or throw into double coverage when someone else is wide open, or throw a pick six for a 100 yards, and on and on.................

  • VictorVonTrap Draper, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 10:12 a.m.

    Billybubba - it had nothing to do with the U., money, or players . . .

  • billybubba South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 9:59 a.m.


    Yes everyone knows why he did not leave and go to BYU and it has everything to do with 2 things loyalty to the players he had at the time (plus the panic the Dr. Hill felt when he was about to lose Whittingham to BYU) and MONEY

  • billybubba South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 9:50 a.m.


    Yes everyone knows why he did not leave and go to BYU and it has everything to do with 2 things loyalty to the players he had at the time (plus the panic the Dr. Hill felt when he was about to lose Whittingham to BYU) and MONEY

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 9:48 a.m.

    Still no Duckhunter? Looks like he has finally taken what we have all waited for - A vow of silence.

  • Shawnm750 West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 9:47 a.m.

    Whittingham and everyone on the hill has said they are interested in keeping the rivalry alive. I don't foresee it going away, however the USU/Utah rivalry predates the BYU/Utah rivalry and the Utes put that one on hold... I could see something like that happening if Utah continues to see the success that they have in recent years. Frankly, the I think the rivalry might be more interesting if it were only played every few years, but there's also something to be said about tradition as well.

    As for all the talk about firing coaches, and changing QB's etc... It's a little early in the season to be talking about that. As the ESPN announcers pointed out during the Utah/USC game, rankings mean very little until about the 5th or 6th week of the season because it's usually at that point a team is truly executing consistently and has found its rhythm. BYU still has a chance to turn out a decent season, and after 3 weeks of play time, they now have a clear idea of what to focus on.

  • VictorVonTrap Draper, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 9:37 a.m.

    When you consider a NFL team that is under-performing, you analyze every aspect of the team from the owners, front office staff, coaching staff, and players.

    The Y could rise to national prominence - top ten - when the AD, HC, OC, and DC are replaced. The Y can't attract top talent anymore in its administration or on the field. Whittingham passed on the Y's HC position after it was offered to him. There was a reason he declined the offer even though his first choice was to initially coach for the Y.

    The U has put together a very good team for several years. Its success wasn't an accident. It starts at the top position.

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 9:22 a.m.

    The rivalry should continue. No doubt about that.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 9:21 a.m.

    Texas couldn't move forward until they dumpted Gilbert. Can the y really make progress with overhyped Jake?

  • Zoniezoobie Mesa, AZ
    Sept. 19, 2011 9:10 a.m.

    Trials make our faith grow stronger;
    Truth is nobler than a crown.
    We will brave the tempest longer
    Tho the world upon us frown.

  • Red Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 9:08 a.m.

    Wynn-Please get a haircut. At least you will look a little tougher.

    BYU- Please put your black markers away before the game. Playing with your girlfriends initials on your arms makes you look like your in jr. high.

    Bronco-it's ok to get fired up. After all, it is a football game.

    BYU Fans-please root for your team and act like you care about them. Stop being embarrassed. Everyone loses sooner or later. Have some class.

    Utah-Keep dominating!!

  • Blue Rampage Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 8:54 a.m.

    Sure, BYU will finish strong against a bunch of weakling teams, just like last year. The problem is not talent, it's leadership on the field. Jake inherited the job and ought to be sidelined until he earns the confidence of his teammates. Riley Nelson, James Lark and Jason Munns are ALL respected more by the players than Jake Heaps. If the coaches want to keep doing things out-of-the-box, let the team pick its starter.

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 8:52 a.m.

    Bronco should be teaching seminary and not coaching. That is his forte.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 8:48 a.m.

    1. BYU was out-coached on Saturday. End of story.
    2. Bronco can't be DC and Head Coach at the same time. Choose one and do the job well.
    3. Doman needs to stay focused on being the OC, not acting like he is a player. Throwing the football and calling the plays are two different things.
    4. BYU needs to stop thinking the offensive strategies of the past. The BYU of the past would be pulled apart like a plucked chicken in today's world.
    5. And would the coaches PLEASE keep Heaps away from any microphones.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 8:47 a.m.

    I think the rivalry is DEAD with this game. Over, done. We concede. No more hype, boasting, bantering back and forth, etc. It's just no longer an issue.

    I think that we should just let Utah go off and do their new league and let us do our own thing. It's done. As a BYU fan, I don't care about U. of Utah and even more so now. Goodbye and best of luck to you.

    BYU, get up, and get going! I am still a loyal BYU fan and will continue making the trip to Provo to cheer on my team and my school.

    Go Cougars!

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 8:46 a.m.

    Jordan Wynn and his bad hair, weak arm, funny throwing motion, bad mechanics, 3* rating who nobody wanted:


    Jake Heaps and his picture perfect throwing motion, NFL arm, terrific mechanics and 5* rating who everyone in the country wanted:


    Nothing else needs to be said.

  • Old Cougar Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 8:42 a.m.

    Re: JohnJacob.... "...that's my name, too." :) I've always wanted to say that.

    I don't know what other BYU football fans expect, but I do have my preferences:

    I do not like a "3 plays and a cloud of dust" game. Explosive football is great when one team wins 54 to 53.

    I like to see pressure put on the quarterback. This seemed to be lacking against Utah (for whatever reason). There appeared to be more pressure applied against Miss. and Texas. I think that even in my advanced years, I could pick out a receiver, given enough time and if the throw was less than 10 yards.

    The way Texas destroyed UCLA on Saturday made me wonder if the same Texas team was playing. In like manner, when Utah was destroying BYU, I had similar thoughts about BYU.

    Blowouts happen. Bragging rights have been set in concrete for one year. This football win probably feels the same as BYU's basketball win in SLC last year.

    Hopefully, things will improve for the Cougars and will even become better for the Utes for the rest of the season.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 8:41 a.m.

    Michigan & Michigan ST. still play against Notre Dame every year and same with Usc & Stanford. It is part of their rivalries and why not utah with BYU. By the way why utah playing nine pac 12 games when they are playing in this south div. of those five schools (6th to utah)? That is dumb or murder when it doesn't count on their south div.

    Sure I have said Brandon Doman should go back to qb coach and let Lance Reynolds take over the OC coach might not be the answer. But one thing need to take care of - DON'T FUMBLE those stupid balls and let those medias do the talking not players.

  • Weber State Graduate Clearfield, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 8:37 a.m.

    Utah isn't as good as they looked.
    And BYU is as bad as they looked.

    Well said! I get a kick out of Ute fans talking trash...Utah simply isn't that good of a team. Just look at their performance in the Montana State game. My guess is that they will win very few games this year.

    However, BYU is absolutely awfull. USU is chomping at the bit to get ahold of them and I expect to see a similar outcome with USU running up the score after BYU's 3-n-out offense leaves their defense to play all 4 quarters again.

    I actually feel sorry for BYU this year.

  • billybubba South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 8:32 a.m.

    Yes the Utes won the game, yes it was a blow out, yes every BYU fan should be embarrassed (as I am) but I remember two blowout losses last year that left you Ute fans a little red in the face. I also remember back in the heyday of the 80s when this type of score was the norm but it is not the 80s anymore and BYU will bounce back they just have a lot of growing up to do. So congrats to the Utes they really took it to the Cougars. My only hope is that both teams can learn from this and keep moving forward. BYU fan since 72 and will always be one. But I can also cheer for the Utes to do well in the pac-whatever (aka 12).

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Sept. 19, 2011 8:15 a.m.

    This was the worst loss I can remember in almost fifty years of BYU football. It is one thing to loose; it is another to be totally unprepared. For the first time in my memory, a BYU team just gave up. All on prime time national TV. It is fine to put football as number five area of focus for the players...but don't you think that by the 3rd game of the year the center should be able to snap the ball to the quarterback? Shouldn't someone, anyone, be able to field a kickoff. Why can't this great offensive line protect the quarterback? Why can't they create just a few holes for running the ball? Why do the running backs refuse to go north/south and instead plod across the field searching for the sideline? While football is number 5 for our players, it is number 1 for all the opponents we play. Maybe we can schedule teams where football is the number 7 or 8 of the players priorities. That seems to be our only hope.

  • Utes21 Salt Lake City, ut
    Sept. 19, 2011 8:14 a.m.

    I dont think you saw the same game everyone else did? How exactly did they beat themselves? I mean they had seven turnovers and you dont think Utah's D had nothing to do with that? Heaps first turnover wasnt really caused by the Utes Defense but he still had a chance to pick it up or kick it out of bounds for a safety, but instead he lets a Ute defender recover in their own endzone for some easy points. Fumbles and interceptions were caused by a Utah D that was obviously better. The Utes front seven pushed around the supposed big and talented byu o line. The Utes Offense ran on the byu D all night. The y was out coached and out played to put as simple as that. I will give byu credit where its due but they looked terrible. I have never seen a lopsided route like this in the rivarly before. Even when either team isnt very good the game still comes down to the 4th qtr usually. The y needs to change some things up after a losing like this.

  • Unlucky HEBER CITY, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 8:13 a.m.

    The problem with BYU was stated perfectly by Brandon Doman. We are not mentally tough right now. We need to coach them to be mentally tough. Sorry Brandon you can't coach mental toughness, if you don't have on the level that is needed in college sports it isn't going to ever be there. BYU both fans and team have an attitude of entitlement. Because they are outstanding, unique young men they will win. I am sure that they are exactly that, but that alone will not bring winning. This group will always win against those that they are way more talented than. Against someone who is close to their talent level they will lose. Utah's lines are not more talented than BYU's lines. They are way more mentally tough therefore they dominated both sides of the ball. Because of who they recruit BYU will never reach the top again. They might win 10 or 11 games every now and then, but you as fans need to get use to 6, 7, and 8 win seasons. Keep your exxpectation there and you won't have to overreact.

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 7:53 a.m.

    ".......BYU was forced into taking on Boise State's schedule to make sure that have a full schedule for 2011. Don't worry, while the Utes get used to playing quality Pac 12 caliber teams like WSU and Colorado in the future, BYU will be playing Notre Dame, Texas, G Tech and West Virginia"

    And losing to all of them on regular basis by 44!

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Sept. 19, 2011 7:24 a.m.

    BYU is like the knight in Monty Pyton Holy Grail movie who has his arms and legs chopped off and saying "It's just a flesh wound" while in complete denial that he just suffered life altering injuries. If BYU fan can accept this as great football then I am actually pretty happy with it myself.

  • Laser Iowa City, IA
    Sept. 19, 2011 7:22 a.m.

    I can't tell if this is a serious article or a read between the lines put down of the Cougars.

    I'm laughing that the Ute fans are calling for Doman and Mendenhall's head...why would they care. Those two are great coaches. Doman is doing just fine and will learn the right lessons. Mendenhall is already proven. There is plent of fire in his personality. He just won't call out a player and verbally abuse him on national tv (like another coach I saw on Saturday).

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 7:09 a.m.

    Coach Mendenhall should take responsibility for the teams low level of play. For the last two years, he has not been able to prepare his team in fall camp to be ready physically to perform, has over estimated the team's capablities, relied on a false sense of competence in the spring and fall based on pass performance against lesser opponents. The difference in the direction the two programs are headed is stark. One coach base on his team's actual performance realized last year that improvement was greatly needed, brought in an experience coach and improved. The other coach belived everything had been fixed by his taking a renewed interest in the defense, brought in inexperienced coaches, and lived in the fantasy that his team was going to get better.

  • manutd Milford, CT
    Sept. 19, 2011 7:03 a.m.

    losing to your most hated rival is acceptable from time to time. but not by 44 points on your home field. and definitely not acceptable to quit in the 3rd quarter.

    Sept. 19, 2011 6:32 a.m.

    Utah isn't as good as they looked.
    And BYU is as bad as they looked.

  • DC Alexandria, VA
    Sept. 19, 2011 6:25 a.m.

    First comment is incredibly appropriate. Dnews spin all the way.
    Don't overreact? Did you watch the game? It was completely embarrassing. Great exposure there.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 2:12 a.m.

    Curtis | 11:00 p.m. Sept. 18, 2011
    Beverly Hills, CA

    The Cougs beat themselves... if I were a Ute fan I would still have serious concerns about the offense. BYU, on the other hand, has no where to go but up.


    You wouldn't happen to be Jake Heaps would you? Dodging accountability and not giving credit where credit is due?

    Let me spell it out for you. BYU is terrible! And you should be embarrassed by that 54-10 loss. Your coach looks like he has no fire. Your QB looks like he doesn't care. Your RBs look like they don't know how to run, or hold on to the ball. And your defense looks like they can't play a full 4 quarters.

    BYU should be 0-3 right now. Yet you sound entirely happy with your Cougars.

    Meanwhile, you're trying to convince us that us Ute fans should be very worried about our team.

    Hate to break it to ya... we're not. The U slaughtered you in your own building, and owns this series. We can still make the Rose Bowl. Why should we be worried again?

    BYU beat themselves? Nope. BYU can't beat anyone right now.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Sept. 19, 2011 12:44 a.m.

    I would like to express my appreciation to BYU, without you being a stepping stone along the way to 2 BCS wins and Pac 12 membership. Never let anyone say your program isn't relevant with all those Las Vegas bowl wins that amounted to...well, congrats for being useful.

  • Salsero Provo, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 12:02 a.m.

    For the Utes. Welcome to the Pac-12. It will be terrific watching you play. My only wish is that you win against UCLA and USC every time you meet. However, I'll be rooting for both Cal and Stanford.

    As for BYU. Your loss is my pleasure. Go Utes!!

  • CoachWinWA POULSBO, WA
    Sept. 18, 2011 11:33 p.m.

    BYU just lost 54-10 on their home field.

    Now I know how Utah felt in 1980 when BYU beat them 56-6. I remember that game. I was 12 years old. I talked smack to my Utah friends for a few weeks. It felt good.

    I think Utah has recovered from that beat down, and BYU will recover from this one.

    Very interesting that Whittingham was part of that Utah beat down in 1980. He has become a great coach. I hope he puts some beat downs together for some PAC teams. Once Oklahoma and Texas join, Utah is going to need a lot of mojo just to stay relevant in that ocean of teams.

    Mendenhall wont be fired, and shouldnt be, but they do need to tweak a few things. Get Doman in the box. Hire another qb coach with some OC experience to help with the chess match and schemes. Hire a great defensive coach, so Mendenhall can over see more of the big picture.

    Most importantly, put a muzzle on Heaps until he wins a big game.

  • DD JayMario American Fork, UT
    Sept. 18, 2011 11:19 p.m.

    When is basketball season?

  • Curtis Beverly Hills, CA
    Sept. 18, 2011 11:00 p.m.

    Harline is still open.....

    No really, in all seriousness, the Utes shouldn't read too much into this win. The Cougs beat themselves, say what you want but if I were a Ute fan I would still have serious concerns about the offense. BYU, on the other hand, has no where to go but up.

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 18, 2011 10:55 p.m.

    @CougarKeith - Heaps is not ready for prime time! Not sure he will ever be. And BYU will not win more games then the Utes. Just for the record, I am NOT a Ute fan. My team is Arizona. Go Cats - beat the Utes (in Nov).

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    Sept. 18, 2011 10:51 p.m.

    Time to clean up the mistakes and start finishing drives with TDs instead of turnovers. RBs need to start producing and stop fumbling, OL needs to be more consistant in pass pro and run blocking. And please move Doman to the booth where he can get a better view of whats going on.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Sept. 18, 2011 10:43 p.m.

    Whoa, look at that! BYU just fumbled the ball again! No one overreact.

    Sept. 18, 2011 10:02 p.m.

    @neglib, you forgot to mention one of the teams that you'll be playing in the future. It's your new in-state rivalry game against Weber st. And when you guys do start scheduling a full season of division 1 teams I'm pretty sure ESPN is going to have to cancel their contract with you guys due to consistent blow-outs like last night.

  • Fibby1123 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 18, 2011 10:01 p.m.

    Win or lose, I'm pretty sure most Ute fans would rather play BYU than choose some easy team to play like Idaho State (*cough*). It's the best way to end the arguments about who is better.
    This year, Utah was better in execution, preparation and sheer talent. I was almost disappointed that we won by such a big margin. It's the first time in six years I haven't been able to argue with BYU fans about calls or single plays.

  • Red Leader Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 18, 2011 9:59 p.m.

    They need to keep the rivalry game. If someone gave me the choice between losing to BYU and not having the game on the schedule, I would choose the loss.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Sept. 18, 2011 9:55 p.m.

    "Perhaps Ute fans who have been on Jordan Wynn's case since the start of the season can keep quiet for awhile. While BYU's mistakes thanks in part to Utah's defense were a big reason for Saturday's slaughter, Wynn played a big part in the victory. In fact, the 63-yard drive Wynn led just before halftime when he completed five straight passes, may have been the key to Utah's win..."
    -Mike Sorenson


    Agree wholeheartedly.

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 18, 2011 9:48 p.m.

    Mike, get a grip! This is a bad football team with the coach that doesn't seem to have any 'fire'. Mendenhall needs to focus on being a coach and not on firesides. There is no offense and you have to rebuild somewhere, Doman and Heaps are good places to start.

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    Sept. 18, 2011 9:48 p.m.

    Mr. Sorensen,
    What ute officials have hinted that they want to discontinue the rivalry? And how did you twist that to mean they don't think the UTES can win year in and year out?

    They have stated that they want to Play one fcs team every year and that they want to keep the rivalry, which of course jeans things have to change, like the date of the game.

    The real question is whether the cougar officials want to continue having a likely loss on their schedule every year. They want to go undefeated " or bust".

  • CougarKeith Roy, UT
    Sept. 18, 2011 9:42 p.m.

    BYU's Offense was out-coached, the defense had no incentive to keep up the pressure when the Offense isn't producing, it's that simple! Most of the turnovers were MENTAL ERRORS and just plain lack of FUNDAMENTALS IN FOOTBALL! I hope Brandon gets his act together and the Offense starts producing FAST or we are going to have one really LONG season!!! Other than Hawaii, after Friday against Central Florida it's pretty much a cake walk, but when you have to quickly find 12 opponents with a one year notice it's tough just to get 12 games in your season! Oh, TCU might be a tough one this year as well! You can't win with just a Defense, and you can't baby Brandon along forever, he's got to get with the program and fast! The game against Utah was an embarrassment for anyone who bleeds blue! I am one of the biggest blue bleeders! Let the kid throw the ball and learn from mistakes, and stop babying him!!! Let the kid win a game for crying out loud (Kid=Heaps!!!)

  • BYR Woods Cross, UT
    Sept. 18, 2011 9:06 p.m.

    Carnak, you missed my point. Yes, the Utes stomped on the Cougs. The Utes deserved the win as much as the Coug deserved to lose. Now, when you have put the ego down, see if you can figure out what my point is, regarding your original post.

  • neglib Herriman, UT
    Sept. 18, 2011 8:58 p.m.

    Cavetroll.......BYU was forced into taking on Boise State's schedule to make sure that have a full schedule for 2011. Don't worry, while the Utes get used to playing quality Pac 12 caliber teams like WSU and Colorado in the future, BYU will be playing Notre Dame, Texas, G Tech and West Virginia.

  • XelaDave Salem, UT
    Sept. 18, 2011 8:42 p.m.

    No overreaction, just reality. Heaps now has what 11 starts and Doman 3 and we are averaging about 12 points a game with an offense that was supposed to be one of the best in years and I am sorry but at some point BYU did quit yesterday and that concerns me but that is what you get when the head coach only hires those he mentors asnd controls the defense- last year the team quit and then beat all th dead beat teams left on the schedule probably get the same this year but let's be honest only a few games really count and in those we have looked less than ordinary

  • BlameItOnTheOfficials Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 18, 2011 8:41 p.m.

    The Utes put their own spin on the cougar season!

  • PA Rock Man Allentown, PA
    Sept. 18, 2011 8:40 p.m.

    I am a Cougar fan who like everyone else is disappointed in getting trounced by a superior Ute team. But to me the most embarrassing thing about the loss is the behavior of our fans. Where is the loyalty, where is the faith? People want to fire Bronco? And do what? Go back to Crowton? Let's give our guys a break and show some patience.

    I will be the first to admit that many Cougar fans are way too impatient because they overhype themselves. We chased Norm Chow away, abused Max Hall, and despised Robert Anae despite all the success these men brought us. I grew up sitting in the west stands listening to cranky old men complain about how LaVell knew nothing about football and Steve Sarkisian was no Jim McMahon. Cougar fans were intolerant of Max Hall's mistakes as they now pine for him and turn their venom towards Jake Heaps. These are the same fans who turned on Jimmer after the Florida Sweet 16 game. Jimmer. Give these guys a break.

  • bballjunkie Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 18, 2011 8:40 p.m.

    Congrats Utes.

    Thats about it for me on that. Just for everyone elses information I would still rather get blown out by 50 than ever think of being a ute fan. As for all you BYU fans who want to cry and jump ship, good bye, who wants you anyways.

    Go Cougs its not the end of the world, fix it and lets get this thing rolling again.

  • SoCalUtahFan Utesville, CA
    Sept. 18, 2011 8:40 p.m.

    ...Look for Bronco Mendenhall's team to recover from another 1-2 start and finish strong . . .

    Sure thing. Bronco was planning the recovery in Q3. He, too, quitted in Q3 already. Jimmer was seen leaving the stadium at beginning of Q4 with 2/3 of the crowd.

  • sneekee23 Herriman, UT
    Sept. 18, 2011 8:35 p.m.

    Carnak.... I think you have forgotten that BYU never losses to better teams, they either don't execute correctly, or the officiating has something to do with it. Nobody beats BYU, they always beat themselves.

    Ok now reality, is it Utah's fault that

    1. They have a center who can actually snap the football from the shotgun... Ah No

    2. That they have running backs who can actually run with a purpose, and also hold onto the football... Ah No

    3. That they have OL that keeps the defense from applying constant pressure... Ah No

    4. That they have a coach, and players that would actually rather do their talking on the field instead of through the media. Ah No

    BYU was out coached, and out played. It really is simple. When you have better coaches, better athletes, with more speed, size, then the other team, your chances to win increase.

    Utah has all of the above so get use to it, it's only going to get worse.

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 18, 2011 8:18 p.m.

    BYR | 8:15 p.m. Sept. 18, 2011
    Woods Cross, UT



  • cavetroll SANDY, UT
    Sept. 18, 2011 8:17 p.m.

    "In fact, BYU may still end up winning more games than Utah this year. That's the difference between Central Florida, Idaho, Idaho State, San Jose State and New Mexico State versus Washington, Arizona State, Pitt, Cal and Arizona."

    I can't agree more. That's what happens when you schedule a bunch of mediocre teams to play against. Utah's schedule is much harder than BYU's. I would rather lose a few close games to PAC 12 caliber teams than say you beat teams like NM St, Idaho, and Idaho St. This may be an indication of what BYU thinks about its fooball program when it schedules these teams.

  • BYR Woods Cross, UT
    Sept. 18, 2011 8:15 p.m.

    Carnak... as opposed to the Trib spin when the U loses? Give it a break. Both papers have their agendas.

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 18, 2011 7:55 p.m.

    Here comes the D news spin.