BYU football: Series of miscues in 2nd half opened floodgates

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  • afro14 Sandy, UT
    Sept. 20, 2011 12:15 a.m.

    I'm not sure if the byu defense gave up in the second half or if they were just gassed. And I'm not sure which should scare BYU fans more, lack of heart or lack of conditioning... Either way, if it continues, they are going to be in a world of hurt in games to come.

  • dustman Nampa, ID
    Sept. 19, 2011 8:25 a.m.

    As a Cougar fan and BYU graduate, I will man up and declare Utah trashed us. I'm sure BYU plays great in practice, but when they fall apart during games, it probably has something to do with the opponent. BYU just didn't lose the grip on the ball, BYU had that ball stripped and taken away, or jarred loose after being hit hard. Well, except for when Utah's defense scared BYU's center so bad that he tossed the ball out of Heap's reach. touch down. Utah scared BYU's offense to death. BYU imploded, but only because Utah helped them.

    BYU has talented players. That talent should not have been wasted on a first time Offensive coordinator. BYU has a program that can hire upper tier coaches. The fans deserve it and the players that agree to play here deserve it. You don't hire Doman to learn as he goes. You hire someone you know can do the job. Someone with a proven record as a winning offensive coordinator. Keep Doman, lose all future recruits.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Sept. 19, 2011 2:24 a.m.

    Cougar Claws | 6:03 p.m. Sept. 18, 2011
    Lindon, UT

    But here is the thing Utah fans, I don't know if you can say you really earned all 54 points you got last night... It all started with the TD Jake Heaps literally gave you. Then there was the JD Falslev fumble on the 10. Then there were the two long TD touchdown runs John White got because the defense gave up. So besides 28 of your points, the rest of the points I'll give you credit for though.


    I'm gonna clear this up right quick.

    If the Ute defense wasn't as suffocating, would Heaps have lost the fumble? If members of the BYU offense were more aware, couldn't they have tried to recover the ball? That wasn't a TD by default. Utah still had to recover the ball.

    The Falsley fumble... once again, our D had the awareness to recover. And our offense still had to punch it in. No TD by default there.

    The "defense gave up" cop out is lame. White is a great runner. And he earned every bit of those scores.

    Quit making excuses for your team's bad performance and demand better.

    Sept. 18, 2011 8:47 p.m.

    my usual line for BYU football the last few years is that they seem to "snatch defeat from the jaws of victory" I can't even use that one this time I have new one for last night "here you can have the victory we don't want it" 7 turnovers, 104 penalty yards and now sing along "and a partridge in a pear tree" and I thought the USU game last year was the bottom of the barrel.

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 18, 2011 8:25 p.m.

    Only one of the miscues is not attributed to Utah's defense. Give credit where credit is due. Outclassed at home in every category.

  • davidutefan Evanston, WY
    Sept. 18, 2011 8:25 p.m.

    Cougar Claws: try telling a coug defender he gave up to his face. When the offense is stopped possession after possession the defense gets no rest and tires. White ran those TDs in for exactly that reason. I'll give you the two early fumbles but, how many more runs could White had took off on had Kyle not called off the dogs?

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    Sept. 18, 2011 7:15 p.m.

    Re: Jeff R.

    I do agree a little with what you said. I think Doman not being in the press box might be some of the problem. Lark is a stud, and if I knew he was the one to fix the QB problems I'd say play him, but how do we know he is the answer? But what has Juice done to show he should be the starting RB? Have 2 carries for 5 yards? Di Luigi is the only back we have so far that has broken off a run longer than 15 yards in these first 3 games. I know the running game hasn't been stellar but it hasn't necessarily been dismal. I think we are averaging 4 yards per carry. Are we running the ball enough right now? That might simply be the issue is not pounding away at defenses right now. If we run the ball 20 times a game and throwing it 50, that might be part of the problem.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Sept. 18, 2011 6:37 p.m.

    I am happy for my Utah fanbase friends. What a fun night to be had, and I wish you many more this season.

    BYU fanbase friends, remember that you have wonderful families, and this was just a game.

    Life goes on.

    I get tired of the pre-game smack, but Utes, your team earned the postgame smack this year. You won the scoreboard HUGE. Smack away. That was an awesome display by your team last night.

    Congrats to Coach Whittingham, his staff, and all the players for your efforts.

    Kyle is a classy guy, and this was a well deserved game.

    To the BYU staff and players, forget about this one and move onto the next one.

    Life is good.

    I have played and coached many sports for a long time. Nights like last night are special. Enjoy this one.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    Sept. 18, 2011 6:03 p.m.

    First off, give credit to the University of Utah for destroying our team at home last night. We didn't "give the game away," they took it from us. There are simply no two ways about that. It wasn't given away by the refs, but that being said. . .

    100% disgusted with how BYU played last night. That was pathetic. Complete carelessness with the ball. Too many penalties that forced us into repeated 3rd and longs. There are more issues going on with this team right now upstairs than just a one game performance, that much is clear.

    But here is the thing Utah fans, I don't know if you can say you really earned all 54 points you got last night, really. It all started with the TD Jake Heaps literally gave you. Then there was the JD Falslev fumble on the 10. Then there were the two long TD touchdown runs John White got because the defense gave up. So besides 28 of your points, the rest of the points I'll give you credit for though.

    And BYU fans, seriously, STOP with the NC talk.

  • Jeff R. Sheridan, WY
    Sept. 18, 2011 4:52 p.m.

    Heaps, sorry bud, but its time to bring in Lark and see what he can do. It seems clear now that Heaps cannot act effectively under pressure. It looked like a good investment, but its time to stop loss and bring in Lark. Lark is a traditional BYU style QB and will be the one to get us out of this mess. We also need to stop relying on Luigi to run the ball. Give Juice the starting job. He is as close to a Harvy Unga as we are going to get. Doman needs to get in the Press Box. Being on the Field is clouding his judgment. Bronco needs to rotate his D line more. They were gassed with 10 minutes left in the 3rd Quarter. Congrats to Utah, run the table and win the Pac 12, you deserve it. When was the last time BYU blew out Utah? Hasn't happened in a while. They need to figure something out quick, because a High Octane Team in UCF is coming to town Friday. This is where the coaches earn their money.

  • Big Hapa Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 18, 2011 2:29 p.m.

    Yep Jake Heaps is that guy. The one who will go down in the history books as the QB 1 that lost by the largest point margin in the history of this rivalry.

    When ever this rivalry is mention this U of U vs. BYU instate, brother against brother grudge match for in state bragging rights, Jake Heaps name will be forever remembered as That Guy, that QB that fumbled away the opening drive into his own end zone and chickened out on recovering it, and his 2nd fumble inside his own ten yard line setting up another TD and extra point.

    That was enough points in those two fumbles to have won the game.


  • HappyLDSUte PROVO, UT
    Sept. 18, 2011 12:06 p.m.

    Alright, I've just about had it. Every time Utah beats byu, it's never because byu was plainly outplayed. In 08, we heard, "It was the turnovers, we gave you the game." In 2010, it was the crappy fumble call that supposedly gave us the game. When are you byu homers going to learn?? The turnovers were NOT the reason Utah won. They were the reason it was a BLOWOUT win! You want to win the game? How about having offensive consistency, shut down the opposing offense, and respond positively if you do happen to make a mistake, such as a fumble? BYU was outplayed, out-hustled, and even though this isn't a word: out-hearted. THAT is why they lost. They had no heart when they went down by a couple touchdowns. Where was the pressure on Wynn? He had all day to throw. Try sacking the QB more often. If BYU ever wants to improve they have to OWN UP to their weaknesses. Pretending like you are something you aren't will never get you anywhere!

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 18, 2011 12:00 p.m.

    Utah is well coached and BYU isn't. LaVell's strength over the years was hiring great assistants many of which are now head coaches in college or the pro's - and very successful ones at that. Bronco's weakness is his inability to hire good assistant coaches...I think Bronco makes a good position coach or even defensive coordinator and would do well on most teams but as a head coach he just can't seem to pull the pieces together. Kyle is a good LDS member with sons on missions but he knows that football is not a seminary class and he knows how to be tough and how to hire tough, smart assistants. Bronco seems to be caught up in the "BYU experience" thing with firesides etc... more important than winning and it shows. I have to think that Bronco is being TOLD to run the program this way so I'm not going to throw him under the bus completely. BYU is trying to find its way in the NEW college football environment of the 21st century and is failing thus far. No one wants the Y in their conference and so BYU is really just dying on the vine.

  • Utephoria Minneapolis, MN
    Sept. 18, 2011 10:14 a.m.

    Credit to the Utah defense for making BYU look like a high school team in their home turf, in opening night as an independent at home.. I never thought byu would quit like that...

  • WinSum Rexburg, ID
    Sept. 18, 2011 8:24 a.m.

    2nd half miscues? What about the 1st series of downs? BYU is yet to put together 2 good quarters, let alone 3, or heaven-forbid ... a full game....

  • Adam Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 18, 2011 8:14 a.m.

    I expected to read some comments using turnovers as an excuse as to why BYU lost, not an entire article. There are no 44 point excuses. Utah knocked the ball away from BYU, they put BYU defensive backs in the positions to be called for pass interference, they applied the pressure that led to the interceptions etc. BYU didn't "self-destruct" they got beat up, out coached, out hustled, out hit etc. This is precisely why I can't cheer for BYU any more. They preach accountability but from the coaches and fans to the BYU homers in the media they seldom ever take full accountablity. They seem to take a little accountability with a full serving of excuses!

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    Sept. 18, 2011 7:00 a.m.

    ...and there were a whole lot more penalties on byu that could have (and should have) been called on the cougs. Imagine if the refs called a tíghter game...