Brad Rock: BYU-Utah game turned into 'Irrelevant Bowl'

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  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Sept. 17, 2011 7:46 a.m.

    I must confess, I gave away my BYU season tickets for this year. I think Independence was a bad decision for BYU. As CougarClub boosters, devoted tailgaters, and Blue-blooded fans for 15years, we don't care about "exposure" and money from media contracts. This is supposed to be amatuer sports. It is supposed to be about the game. We care about winning against good teams. We care about the pursuit of excellence in playing the game. We cared about being part of an up and coming conference, the MWC, that was earning respect, and with the addition of Boise State, would have been one of the stronger conferences in the country, with a bright future ahead of it. We cared about the battle to become king of the MWC Mountain, with aspirations for respectable Bowl Games. But BYU "sold out" in the name of better "exposure" and more money. Now we are in no-man's land... like a man without a country, we are not battling for a position atop anything. We play a cream puff schedule of randoms, and the entire season lacks competitive context and meaning. It is a pathetic disappointment to us.

  • bbennett SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 15, 2011 12:13 a.m.

    Um, I've got news for everyone here. This game has always been irrelevant outside of Utah. There's no doubt this is a big time rivalry in the eyes of the teams playing and the fans. But it has never had national appeal. Like Kansas vs. Missouri. No doubt a bitter rivalry, but no national appeal. Wisconsin vs. Minnesota the longest consecutive rivarly at 119 years. No real national appeal.
    WVU vs. Pitt a very deep rivalry. But no real national appeal.

    Let it just be what it is.

    Top 5 Rivalries that have national Appeal.

    Ohio St. vs. Michigan
    Texas vs. Oklahoma The Red River Shootout
    Alabama vs. Auburn
    Georgia vs. Florida Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party
    Army vs. Navy

  • Samwise Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 11:38 p.m.

    Assuming Utah can get 5 more wins without beating BYU, then I agree with this article for the most part. However, this is not guaranteed. I could see the Utes being at the end of the year going in to the Colorado game with 4 wins saying "Boy I wish we beat BYU. I guess that game really does matter for us". On the other hand I could just as easily see them going in to the Colorado game with 7 wins (even after losing to BYU) and deciding this game was irrelevant (while at the same time continuing to obsess about BYU).

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Sept. 14, 2011 10:44 p.m.

    The bigger game was last week @USC, the PAC-12 South favorite. If we had won that game we would have been in the drivers seat with ASU visiting SLC.

    I think the rivalry game will be even more irrelevant with Super 64 on horizon.

    Here's the latest:

    "There's nothing Texas could have offered Oklahoma that would have changed their mind. They were set on leaving the Big 12 before Texas got there," a well-placed source at a Big 12 school said, adding that Sunday's meeting had a very friendly and cooperative tone. "The Big 12's done. Oklahoma wasn't open to creating Big 12 stability."

    I think BYU was a good fit for the Big 12 but now what? ACC? Where will BYU land in the Super 64?

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 9:34 p.m.

    the Armed Forces Bowl?? Really the Armed Forces Bowl??? Please tell me that is not the best going independent can produce. The Armed Forces Bowl is about the bottom of the bowl barrel so I guess we can now say that this decision to go independent was a total bust. What's the pay out for the the Armed Forces Bowl - $500? Is it even on TV? Geez, I have to think that trying to keep fan excitement up for this program is going to die the first time BYU steps foot in the the Armed Forces Bowl. It's sort of like climbing a mountain only to find a mall at the top. What's the point in climbing anymore? No wonder Bronco only signed a 3 year deal.

  • CaliforniaCougar Lake Elsinore, CA
    Sept. 14, 2011 9:23 p.m.

    And since when did the WAC Championship or the Mountain West Conference Championship ever mean anything. Beating Utah and winning National Championships is all that matters.

  • hohum Saint George, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 9:17 p.m.


    I agree, as I said earlier but was denied. What happens to the cool group when more "cool guys" like Texas, OU, Ok State, TT join the crowd. This will push the u further down in the pac. It will be the old pac 8, O,O State, Wash, Wash State, Cal, Stanford, Ucla, USC vrs the new pac 8 west, U, Colo, Texas,TT, ASU, Az, Ok, Ok State. Not one conference but two sub super.

    Where do you think the u will finish in the pac west let alone in the pac16? U had better be careful what you wish for, you might get it.

    If anyone is satisfied with "association" rather than winning, so be it. Some like the latter.

    I really think the bcs will be gone in two years. Some sort of playoff will have to be implemented. Money will not continue to rule.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Sept. 14, 2011 8:45 p.m.

    JimmyPage, for all of about 25 years since they have been playing has BYU overshadowed Utah. In the history of around a 100 years that's not much. Fact is Utah overshadowed BYU for the first 40 of Y football teams existence with regular beat downs. Since the early 90s I would dare say Utah has outshined BYU in overall nationally recognized accomplishments such going undefeated twice, kicking Bama in the teeth being the first team invited to an AQ conference that wasnt the Big Least. Fact is aside from individual player awards, what has BYU done to match Utah's two undefeated seasons in the last 7 years? I'll tell you, not a thing since 1984. Bottom line, Utah owns BYU by 21 games. Utah has a better overall winning percentage for all games played and by far a better bowl record. Facts are facts though that has never stopped Y fan fantasy.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 7:33 p.m.

    Yawn. 13 to 12, only one touchdown. Winner? Who cares?

    Sept. 14, 2011 5:49 p.m.

    I agree with Anonymous Infinity, and i think the final score of this game will be 13-10 Utah, providing that both teams' lines can block long enough to get off a field goal.

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 5:34 p.m.

    Utes by 3 in a nail-biter!
    Heaps will have his share of interceptions... like always.

  • chicagoborn WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 5:33 p.m.

    Hmm. How is Utah in BYU's shadow? Sticking to things that happened in the past 10 years. First non-AQ team to go to a BCS bowl. First non-AQ team to go to two BCS bowls. First school to have the number one picks in the same year in NFL and NBA, although I will give you that Alex Smith hasn't been the greatest. First non-AQ to make the jump to a BCS conference. What has BYU done? Yeah some nice rankings at the end of the year. Oh yeah. They followed Utah's lead by going independent after Utah jumped to the PAC12. Yeah, Utah is definitely in the shadows of BYU.

  • jimmypage Meridian, ID
    Sept. 14, 2011 5:07 p.m.

    @Cougars-Wise Older Brothers

    Be patient with them. Like you said, it would be tough to be over-shadowed all the time by the success of others. Give them a few years of irrelevancy in the PAC and they'll realize how good they had it when they were a small fish in a small pond. Being a small fish in a big pond will be just too much for them to handle. Take last week, for example. USC, in a down year, still handles Utah. How will they fare against Oregon? Stanford? Arizona State?

    It's not rocket science. They'll get trounced.

    Poor kids...

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 4:47 p.m.

    The BYU Cougars are happy to host the Utes on ESPN this weekend and to help them out on another running record.

    Let's see, the Utes are on a roll on nationally televised games and losing.

    Three games last year on national tv and they were embarrassing losses. AND last week's loss on Versus, which I assume qualifies as another national tv appearance was embarrassing as well. A blocked FG at the end no less and run back for a TD, that was classic!

    4 losses in a row on national tv. Worried Ute fans? U should be!

    Cougars will make it FIVE this weekend AND on ESPN no less!

  • Anonymous Infinity American Fork, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 4:40 p.m.

    Both BYU and Utah are completely irrelevant on the national scene. Let's just enjoy the game and quite lying to ourselves with all the rhetoric.

  • JediMormon Omaha, NE
    Sept. 14, 2011 4:32 p.m.

    This should be called the Bologna Bowl.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 4:32 p.m.

    Think of Florida St. vs. Florida or Georgia vs. Georgia Tech, or Army vs. Navy--all out of conference affairs where the rivalry is huge. But best when the game is either at the very end of the season or at the beginning of the season. I would say that the rivalry game has lost some luster being the third game in September. It means more for BYU because they are independent and any hopes for a BCS bowl are dependent on winning about every game. For Utah, it means something of course because it's BYU but a loss in the game isn't as important in the big scheme of things.

  • Cougars - Wise Older Brothers Anaheim, CA
    Sept. 14, 2011 4:09 p.m.

    "Kind of reminds me of another little team in Provo."

    It's gotta be tough pretending that the team whose shadow you live in is irrelevant.

  • Chewbacca Magna, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 4:00 p.m.

    Chicagoborn- You are a comic genius!

  • Chewbacca Magna, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 3:55 p.m.

    ^^^^ LOL!!!

  • Peter Coyotl West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 3:52 p.m.

    It is relevant to me and to all real Ute and Cougar fans. Go Utes!

  • chicagoborn WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 3:32 p.m.

    "Colorado hasn't been relevant in years." Kind of reminds me of another little team in Provo.

  • Pedro Sanchez Magna, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 2:50 p.m.

    WE will Wynn on Saturday!

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 2:14 p.m.

    I Still Can't Say It | 8:14 p.m. Sept. 13, 2011
    Holladay, UT

    "We all went to high school. You know how it is when you end up in the popular clique with the cool kids. You have to move on..."


    Why is it that Utah fans keep relating the PAC as something really special that happened in high school?

    Really, is high school life's high point with you kids?


    I like where the series is going. Not really a conference rivalry, but an enjoyable in-state game. BBQ, beverages, friends, and college football. No Conference Championship to be decided.

    Enjoy it for what it is, kids...

  • ArticunoBYU Highland, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 2:02 p.m.

    we will win on saturday!

  • jimmypage Meridian, ID
    Sept. 14, 2011 2:01 p.m.

    @ Wwookie

    So you think Utah can put up 24 on BYUs defense, when Texas (its not even worth comparing recruiting classes) could only put up 17?

    Just when I thought Utah fans couldnt get any more delusional!

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Sept. 14, 2011 1:54 p.m.


    You can't lose on the last play of a game that you never led. The team you lost to barely beat Minnesota 19-17 at home a week earlier. Last Saturday, Minnesota lost at home to New Mexico State (28-21).

    Bottom line, you lost to a mediocre, unranked USC team in a game Utah trailed from first score to last.

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 1:37 p.m.

    Two things

    1 - The final score will be:

    Utah 24
    BYU 17

    2 - in response to the silly survey to side of this article:

    BYU fans think Notre Dame even knows who they are? BYU's biggest rival should be ND? haha, that would be about the 50th most important rivaly for ND in that case, right after their rivalry with Ole Miss, and not even close to Michigan, USC, Mich State, Ohio State,...

    Just when you thought the bubble BYU fans live in couldn't get any bigger!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 1:20 p.m.

    "Scoreboard blew up on ya. "

    It did, took them 2 hours to put the pieces back together apparently.

    "Utah's move to the PAC-12 will land them in mediocrity for a very long time just like ASU and Arizona when they went there in the late 70's."

    We essentially lost on the last play... on the road... against the team that was the preseason favorite to win the PAC-12 south (if it were allowed to do so). That's hardly an indication of long term mediocrity.

  • jimmypage Meridian, ID
    Sept. 14, 2011 12:57 p.m.

    A major difference between the two: BYU wasn't grossly overrated. Everyone knew we were in a rebuilding year. Utah, on the other hand, was posing as a top ten team, when in reality they could BARELY hang with a team that lost to Utah State and Nevada.

    Not very impressive.

    And your comment: "Your Cougars are not any better than they were last year."
    Offensively, you may be right. The jury is still out on that one.

    Defensively, however, BYU has vastly improved.

    Lets talk about your Utes for a minute. Last year, you had a QB who could at least throw the ball down field. This year, you have a QB that throws the ball like a scared little girl. Last year, your O line could block. This year, they look like a confused group of Biggest Loser Contestants.

    BYU may not have improved much, but at least we're not WORSE than we were last year, like our little sisters up north.

  • wardu Fallon, NV
    Sept. 14, 2011 12:54 p.m.

    Bleed Crimson "Your Cougars are not any better than they were last year."

    You are about to discover that the utes are not as good as last year. How did that blocked field goal feel. Scoreboard blew up on ya.

  • reader1234 South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 12:51 p.m.

    Utah's move to the PAC-12 will land them in mediocrity for a very long time just like ASU and Arizona when they went there in the late 70's. BYU will also be in no man's land for a while. This game was great and it will now be nothing more then a game thanks to Utah's greed. I think the MWC could have been better than what we have now.

  • Chewbacca Magna, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 12:44 p.m.

    And Bleed Crimson delivers the TKO!

  • jimmypage Meridian, ID
    Sept. 14, 2011 12:32 p.m.

    I appreciate your comment. And you're right, it's all about the outcome of the game, all the surrounding conference stuff doesn't carry much weight. When it comes down to it, BYU just wants to beat Utah, and vice versa.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    Sept. 14, 2011 12:25 p.m.

    @ jimmypage

    "Speaking of bowls, remember when Utah got embarrassed last year in the Vegas Bowl? Man that was fun to watch.

    Even better was the contest against Notre Dame when you were ranked somewhere in the top 10, was it? It's always nice when utahs real identity is showcased to the Nation on ESPN. Pretenders. Fakes. Charlatans.

    That'll give you a taste of what to expect on Saturday. A beat down on ESPN."

    Speaking of losses: Remember when byu got their rear ends handed to them by Utah State on ESPN? That was pretty cool! Oh yeah and fellow WAC member Nevada whipped you pretty good in Provo. You can't possibly forget TCU punching you in the mouth. Lets see, Air Force destroyed you on 9/11 and Florida State smacked you a week later. Lastly, "Burton is still Unblocked" and SCOREBOARD!

    Your Cougars are not any better than they were last year.

  • outdoorsguy SANDY, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 12:24 p.m.

    This game is irrelevant, and I think it is only a matter of time before it will be discontinued unless the schools end up in the same conference again in the future shuffles. Highly unlikely. I am a fan of both BYU and Utah. I cheer for both of them. I did not grow up in Utah. Outside of Utah, this rivalry is next to meaningless already, even before Utah and BYU went their separate ways. But the reality is, every single conference game Utah plays is more important than this one. Given that fact, can BYU accept being a second tier rival for Utah? And does Utah want to play a game outside of a tough conference schedule that they have a somewhere between a 30%(Ute Fan)-50% (Coug Fan) chance of losing? I doubt it. And for Coug fans, without a conference, the only hope is to run the table or you play in some goofy bowl no one has heard of. So this game is no more important than any other. The game will die a natural death. Watch.

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 12:15 p.m.

    On a little bit of a different note....

    The PAC 8 snobs want to push the newbies into a dustbowl division in order to get some more cash. Wouldn't it be sweet if the U of U, CU, ASU, and Az rejected the idea of being pushed into a PAC16 east? What if they bolted for the Big 12? Nudge Tx out through an equal revenue vote. Bring in BYU, Boise, UNLV, and San Diego State for a sweet super conference and leave the PAC 8 teams in desperation.

    I know it's pie in the sky. And my BYU hating Utah fans will torch me for it. But I think it would be pretty awesome.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 11:59 a.m.

    These two teams have had 12 of their last 14 games result in less than a 7 point difference. I see no reason that won't be the case again. BYU 20 Utah 17 is my prediction. Frankly I think the two teams are evenly matched... so I'll give it to the home team (though I want Utah to win).

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 11:54 a.m.

    You all will have to excuse Navel Vet, He is "all wet". He has been to the amusement park and spent too long in the hall of mirrors. The kind that make you look bigger than you really are. Please don't be jealous of our accomplishments, ie, National Championship, Heisman winner, Doak Walker Award winner, Outland Trophy award winner. When you have the "hardware" that BYU has, come back and we will debate who is "big brother" and who is "little sister".

  • TheHailstorm South Weber, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 11:51 a.m.

    I don't care when they play the game I just want it played year in and year out.
    Whether eating crow or dishing out the humble pie, this game is just too much good entertainment for the entire states football fans to lose out on.
    To me the game is huge and I love the parity of this years two teams. BYU plays much better than I first supposed and Utah has seconds of brilliance.
    It seems that each year there are a lot of interesting side stories to the rivalry. For example...the defensive genius of both head coaches or how the fans of both schools have two EXTREMELY good coaches that fit each schools temperament to a tee.
    In the years since Mendenhall and Whittingham took over their current programs there has been a noticeable increase in positive national media coverage. With both BYU and Utah having received some very good press this notoriety is starting to show up most noticeably in the area of recruiting.
    To me this is the biggest game in Utah sports each year and has been since the radio days of my youth.
    Who cares when then game is played ?
    Go Utes !

  • ParkCityAggie Park City, Ut
    Sept. 14, 2011 11:45 a.m.

    I love the dissing on USU, the Aggies will probably beat byu in a couple of weeks and would probably beat Utah this year too!

  • 801_local SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 11:45 a.m.

    I've never heard a Utah fan gloat to a BYU fan that they were conference champions. I've never seen a BYU fan tell a Utah fan that they were now bowl eligible. All that ever mattered was who won the game. It's never been about conference titles or bowl eligibility. It's always been about school pride. You never hear hear, "we're conference champions!" the next day at work. You only hear, "haha, we beat you!" You're kidding yourself if you think this game being played in september will lessen the rivalry.

  • wardu Fallon, NV
    Sept. 14, 2011 11:35 a.m.

    It will be fun to watch the game in HD on ESPN, something that the Ute games are lacking in this year. It will be even better when I get to see the Utah State and BYU and TCU and BYU games live this year.

  • JDL Magna, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 11:29 a.m.

    Naval vet showing his in - security, my dad's tougher than your dad, my team made the playoffs and yours didn't, Utes are in the PAC12 and BYU's independent, The Navy's better than the Army. Always talking trash with no substance, bitterness clouding reality, hatred always, rational never!

    Good for Mr. Scott for displacing greed for tradition. Utah has risen to great football heights of late, good for them, I mean that seriously but the rivalry, will be overshadowed by Utah's total dependence and bondage to the powers of the mighty dollar and delusion that servitude is somehow worth the promise of a BCS bowl game.

    BYU can't do anything about the rivalry except what the PAC12 dictates but BYU is not beholden to the greed and corruption that is the BCS system. Independence has it's challenges for sure but we will be just fine and free.

  • gb13 Herriman, Utah
    Sept. 14, 2011 11:18 a.m.

    Hey, Navel Vet. You have "missed the boat." BYU doesn't have any BIG brothers, only little sisters and second cousins. At the family reunion (on Saturday)we are having "potluck." The Cougars will be a good host and provide the main course. It won't be of any great matter what else is made available. But come and join us, it will fun!

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    Sept. 14, 2011 11:14 a.m.

    How can people predict a 34 point outing for this years BYU offense. I'm all BYU, but two offensive touchdowns in two games does not bode well for an great U defense coming to provo on Sat.

    If Anae 2.0 is still current deployment on Saturday, we'll be lucky to score one td, let alone 4 in the game. Best of luck to the cougs...I hope they come out on top.

  • estreetshuffle Window Rock, AZ
    Sept. 14, 2011 11:13 a.m.

    Maybe the game tickets at stubhub will decrease.

  • jimmypage Meridian, ID
    Sept. 14, 2011 10:38 a.m.

    Naval Vet:
    Why are you referring to Colorado as BYU's "Big Brother?" They haven't been relevant in years. Colorado joining the PAC 12 has nothing to do with the BYU-Utah rivalry.

    Oh, I get it, you were referring to Utah as BYU's big brother! Hahahaha, that is hilarious!

    Well, you must be right. I just miss my "big brother" and the ghetto Mountain West. Now that my "big brother" has moved on, things just aren't the same. Since my "big brother" has graduated and moved on to beating up on the likes of Montana State and losing to pathetic USC (that's right, USC is pathetic) this game just isn't as meaningful as it used to be.

    Let me spell this out for you. Utah moving to irrelevancy has nothing to do with my lack of enthusiasm. I'd say it has more to do with last weeks showing in Texas and the fact that it's September.

    Don't flatter yourself.

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 10:29 a.m.

    The Florida / Florida State rivalry works since they are usually both ranked and bragging about each others conference shedule. (I don't know why Miami doesn't rival with them.)
    Hoping in the new future both BYU and Utah are ranked high.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 10:19 a.m.

    Might as well move the game to a nuetral Atlanta.

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 10:16 a.m.

    Great. The best game for season ticket holders is now the "irrelevant bowl"?

  • jimmypage Meridian, ID
    Sept. 14, 2011 10:07 a.m.

    Speaking of bowls, remember when Utah got embarrassed last year in the Vegas Bowl? Man that was fun to watch.

    Even better was the contest against Notre Dame when you were ranked somewhere in the top 10, was it? It's always nice when utahs real identity is showcased to the Nation on ESPN. Pretenders. Fakes. Charlatans.

    That'll give you a taste of what to expect on Saturday. A beat down on ESPN.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Sept. 14, 2011 9:58 a.m.


    "I can't tell you what it is, but for me, something is missing..."

    I can tell you what it is. It's that your big brother is now playing in the Pac-12, all while you're still a peer to the mid-majors. You're missing that Big TeX invite.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 9:41 a.m.

    It's not irrelevant. There are just more important games for both teams. Utah has to start preparing for Pac 10 opponents. BYU has to start preparing for the Armed Forces Bowl.

  • jimmypage Meridian, ID
    Sept. 14, 2011 8:45 a.m.

    I love this game as much as the next fan. I've seen these teams play each other in Salt Lake and in Provo multiple times. I've worn blue in the MUSS because that was the only seat I could get. I've stormed the field, and I've stormed out of the stadium in utter disappointment. Typically, I lose sleep the night before kickoff. I remember thinking on my mission that if I could choose one day a year to come home, it wouldn't be Christmas or Mothers Day; it would be for The Rivalry.

    All that said, I'm finding it hard to get juiced for this game. Is it because BYU broke my heart in Texas last week? I lost sleep before that game...

    Maybe it's because we no longer share a conference? Or could it be the fact that it's September?

    I turned down a pair of free tickets for the game this week. In years past, I would do almost anything for a ticket. "I can just as easily watch it on tv," I think to myself. Maybe I'm getting old...

    I can't tell you what it is, but for me, something is missing...

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 8:26 a.m.

    When I read "Way back in ancient times (OK, 2010), BYU-Utah week was a period of fear and loathing," I quit; reading, that is.

    Why is is that sports writers (and journalists in general) need to write controversy?

    Does it increase readership in this antagonistic society that we've created?

    Does everything have to be "in your face," "put the other guy down," "we're better than you," "diehard win at all costs?"

    Sorry, but for me that's not sports.

    In this world of controversy and strife of all kinds, can't we just have sports events for the fun of the game anymore?

    Why do we need to embrace the Vince Lombardi "Winning isn't everything, but losing is nothing," (or words to that effect)?

    When sports journalists and commentators keep the pot stirred up, the game suffers and fans start throwing beer bottles at opposing teams and officials like happened in Cleveland a few years ago.

    So, so long Rock, I'll put you on my rapidly expanding list of "journalists" whom I don't care to pay attention to (regardless of how "cleaver" the article.

  • Monk Pleasant Grove, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 8:20 a.m.

    Media, coaches, and players need to remember that at either school football would not exist without the support of the fans. Fans of both teams want this game! Anyone who says otherwise does not know football, or respect the great history and dozens of great games and moments this rivalry has produced.
    I know it's just football. However, America and Utah loves football. Give the fans what we want. If you don't, your program may cease to exist.

  • Tuffy Parker Salem, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 8:05 a.m.

    I agree that it's tough to feel as wrapped up in this as in past years because there is so much of the season to follow.

    That said, it may be an interesting game because both offenses have struggled so far this year.

    Jordan Wynn looks only marginally better than he did at the end of last season - half-a-notch above awful. (Utes should have put more confidence/development in Griff Robles.)

    Jake Heaps is half as good as he was at the end of last season - Sophomore slump maybe...

    It's possible that one of the offenses will have a breakout game but I'm going with BYU 17 Utah 13

  • JonnyDanger HOUSTON, TX
    Sept. 14, 2011 7:14 a.m.

    Mr. Rock-these comment boards are one place the game will ALWAYS matter! Coming into the season I thought BYU would win this game easily, but after seeing the pitiful offensive performance the last two weeks I am not so confident. If anything, BYU had a better defense than ever, but the offense is a melting pot of stagnant potential.

    But in the end the winner will have state bragging rights for the next year and folks on these comment boards will post and comment and belittle and disparage. And I can't wait!

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 6:30 a.m.

    This isn't even BYU's best home opponent. Both Utah State and UCF are going to be more of a challenge.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Sept. 14, 2011 6:15 a.m.

    I had hoped for both teams to come into this game undefeated. Unfortunately, that's not the case so the luster is obviously off. There isn't even much to brag about in this game as it's already void of any meaning. I'm still hoping though that the Cougars will come out on top but in no way do I think it's going to be easy. Utah still has a lot of fight in them so I hope the Cougars will be ready. The Cougars offense still has a lot to prove, and Utah State is going to be even more difficult this year. Go Cougs, and good luck!

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 5:56 a.m.

    Utah taking its second loss won't really remember how bad it was getting beat up by BYU the third week of the season. They won't remember this one because it won't be competitive. By the end of the season the only thing Utah fans will be remembering is that great win against Montana State and HOPEFULLY a win against Oregon State. Most of the other games on the schedule, especially the road games the Utes will be underdogs.

    The problem Utah has is simple--they lack a quarterback this year and will not move the ball. They have a decent looking defense, but they can't score enough for the Utes to be in this one.

    BYU 34 Utah 13

  • North Summit 05 Coalville, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 5:27 a.m.

    This will be another great Rivalry game it would be stupid to not play this game even though this is not for the conference title it still means something to the fans players coaches and the school's FSU and Florida are from different conferences as are alot of Rivalry games. I'm very excited to see these teams play especially how both will be very fired up after close losses that we all know should've been wins here's to another great game! GO COUGARS

  • Utes, Jazz, and RSL Forever Taylorsville, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 5:08 a.m.

    Actually people will still be talking about this game in November, the game may not have as much riding on the line as it has in the past but as long as these two teams play people will talk about it. The emotions with this rivalry have gotten to be strong enough that changing the time it's played and eliminating conference titles from the equation won't eliminate the urge to brag about who won the game. Reading the comments on the various articles for these two teams is proof of that, both sides rag on each other and claim they are better. For what it's worth I wouldn't have it any other way, it's good to have a rivalry like we have and if it were to end it wouldn't be as fun since I don't know who would step up to be our rivals. Rivalries like this don't form overnight. GO UTES!!!

  • whitingnick Orem, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 1:12 a.m.

    BYU 31 Utah 17. Game over

  • SGT_UTE Fort Hood, TX
    Sept. 14, 2011 1:06 a.m.

    Hello, my name is SGT_Coug, and I'm a BYU Fan. I'm excited for this week to be over so I can look forward to a great season after this week. After Utah, I don't have to play any other difficult opponents until I travel to Dallas for Halloween. It's rather ironic though, I'll be flying back to Dallas in December for the Armed Forces Bowl since we'll only lose two more games after this week, TCU and USU...

    Oh wow, that was a horrible nightmare. GO UTES, 31-17!

  • just-a-fan Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 12:03 a.m.

    I agree about it being the season opener. It would be a blast. But I'm excited about the game and want BYU to win as bad as any other year. Bragging rights for a year sounds good to me. Go get em Cougars!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 10:27 p.m.

    Utah 31 Byu 17. Game over

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 10:07 p.m.

    I think they need to do something about it. Either find a way to move it to the end, or make it the opening game of the season every year. The buildup to the game being the opening game would be big! I hope they find a way to make it happen.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Sept. 13, 2011 9:31 p.m.

    These rivalry games are arguably amongst the most exciting played all year, considering the pairity amongst these two. In the end, only a few years did the game actually mean anything (ex: 2008) other than bragging rights.

    Don't be fooled. Good games happen in September too. Keep block U on alert...

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    Sept. 13, 2011 8:48 p.m.

    I talked to Holmoe about a month ago asking how the rivalry was going. He said it was strong, and basically said that there's no question as to whether or not there will be future games. He also said that both teams would be wearing their home jerseys for all the BYU-Utah games. I believe he even said that would be the case this Saturday.

  • I Still Can't Say It Holladay, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 8:14 p.m.

    Rumors are spreading that the rivalry game may not be played every year. The Utes would prefer to focus on their new friends in the PAC.

    We all went to high school. You know how it is when you end up in the popular clique with the cool kids. You have to move on...

    A break would also make Coach Roscoe happy, who has has said he thinks it's a good idea for BYU to take a few years of from the rivalry game.