BYU football: Not quite as much on the line in this year's BYU-Utah clash

Bragging rights may be only similarity to past

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  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Sept. 16, 2011 9:31 p.m.

    you are delusional to say the that the y has more starters in the nfl and steve smith is the only good player to come out of ut. who in the nfl besides collie and pitta even play on their teams? miami has more starter from ut on their team than the y does that even play. get real.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Sept. 15, 2011 9:41 a.m.

    Riverton Cougar:

    Once again, you had no shot at the BCS in 2011, and not because you lost at Texas. It was your quasi-WAC schedule. What do you think BCS Exec. Director Bill Hancock would have said if somebody asked him if a TCU or BSU team who was ranked in the Top-5 in the Preseason polls goes undefeated, could they play for the NC? The answer would have been "'s POSSIBLE."

    But we both know that isn't true. TCU proved that last year.

    You are forgetting that NO non-AQ team had EVER played in a BCS bowl with any blemishes on their W/L record. If Texas goes undefeated, and you go 11-1...'re going to Dallas to play some unheralded, also-ran C-USA team in the $750K Armed Forces Bowl.

    If you book your travel arrangements now, it'll be a lot cheaper than if you wait until December. You're going to Dallas.

    In case you didn't understand, I'll spell it out for you: This Christmas, the Y will be going to Dallas. No BCS for you. Dallas.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    Sept. 14, 2011 11:54 p.m.

    "No you won't. With your quasi-WAC schedule, your chance of finishing in the Top 2 -- which would be necessary to be guaranteed a BCS Bowl invitation -- was already a forgone conclusion. And that would have been even WITH an undefeated season. A one-loss Y team heads to Dallas. Guaranteed!"

    You are wrong. From an article in the DNews Spet. 1 2010:

    "Asked about BYU's situation in relation to the BCS, Holmoe said, "The BCS is not the reason for this move. I've spoken to (executive director) Bill Hancock of the BCS, and we know that we'll have the opportunity, if we're ranked 14 or higher, that we'll have the ability to be an at-large team.""

    In case you didn't understand, I'll spell it out for you: BYU's chances are just as good, if not better (easier to schedule more big name teams) than they were in the MWC. BYU qualifies as equally for a BCS game now, with an at-large bid, as they did in the MWC.

    You are forgetting that IF Texas goes undefeated (note the hypothetical), then BYU's 1-point loss on the road hardly looks like a loss.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Sept. 14, 2011 12:04 p.m.

    Riverton Coug:

    "(BYU will likely go to a BCS bowl if BYU and Texas both win the rest of their games)"

    No you won't. With your quasi-WAC schedule, your chance of finishing in the Top 2 -- which would be necessary to be guaranteed a BCS Bowl invitation -- was already a forgone conclusion. And that would have been even WITH an undefeated season. A one-loss Y team heads to Dallas. Guaranteed!

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 11:25 a.m.

    The Cougars rank No. 108 in the nation in total offense (275.5 ypg), and No. 107 in scoring offense (15 ppg).

    To win, Cougars will have to rely on their defense picking off passes for touchdowns. Quite possible, considering Jordan Wynn's fancy new "side arm" throwing motion. Ah, the miracles of medical science.

  • WallyD North Salt Lake, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 10:54 a.m.

    As long as they are recruiting so many of the same guys the rivalry will continue to some extent, because it matters to the athletes interested in both schools.

    The proximity has always been the key to the rivalry. In the early 20th century it didn't matter that Utah dominated, and in the 70s and 80s it didn't matter that BYU dominated.

    Conferences may come and go, but unless one team moves from Utah there will be some type of rivalry.

  • SportsRUs Happy Valley, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 9:43 a.m.

    In spite of what players and coaches from both schools are saying, this game has definitely lost a lot of its intrigue. The schools are heading in opposite directions. The only thing that makes this game significant is that the loser will be 1-2, not a record either school wants to have. Goodbye, rivalry. Good riddance.

  • the REAL DEAL Sandy, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 11:18 p.m.


    "going to a BCS game is the same as going to the Alamo bowl".

    that's as ridiculous as saying 17 million dollars is the same as 700 thousand dollars. Or playing Alabama is the same as playing UTEP. Or the 10 teams that play in the BCS games are the same as the 110 that dont.

    Only one out of 120 teams wins the National Championship every year. Maybe 10 of those 120 have a realistic chance of winning it (usually less than 10).

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 9:58 p.m.

    Yes there is less on the line this year, but as far as office bragging rights go it will be the same as years past, BYU could go 1-11, but if that 1 victory is against Utah, I have to hear about it at work for the next 12 months. I don't see that ever changing.

    Go Utes!

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 8:47 p.m.

    Riverton Cougar

    Once again we are in agreement. Since the BCS era 1998 and on Utah is the better team. Prior to that BYU was the better team. Yes those years included your beloved NC. BYU accomplished that with timing and luck not by beating ranked teams. Congrats!

    I will take an undefeated BCS Fiesta Bowl and an undefeated BCS Sugar Bowl over BYU's 1984 NC.

    Go Utes!

  • Duh west jordan, ut
    Sept. 13, 2011 8:43 p.m.

    @williary | 12:09 p.m
    First: "On the other hand, for Utah, this game literally means as much as the Montana State game, or the Pitt game coming up. Get it out of the way, and jump into conference to fight for a spot in the CCG"

    Let's see, the exact thing Utah was crying about when they didn't get to play for the National Championship when they went undefeated. Now that you are in a BCS Conference, any other game is a waste of time. So, why play them, right? Remember the 7-4 Pitt team you guys beat?

    Second: "Just the truth. No matter how badly Cougar fans wish it wasn't."

    Umm, I don't know what your really trying to say because at this point, most BYU fans just don't give a hoot. Move on little troll.

  • maryland cougar Pikesville, MD
    Sept. 13, 2011 8:37 p.m.

    nephite is my other name ravens and cougars and my other team maryland terps will have good year. md for bcs and acc title this year byu higher than utah in power rankings ofcourse

  • nephite Pikesville, MD
    Sept. 13, 2011 8:36 p.m.

    has much has utah fans hate on the y cougars have more nfl starters ravens have dennis pitta who has already made a big impact for them had a couple of nice catches in my favorite game of the year the smack down of the squellers colts have collie just for starter deadskins have beck kruger and smith are nice but Steve smith is only really good super star to come out of utah

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    Sept. 13, 2011 8:35 p.m.

    BYU has nothing to play for, except exposure on TV and some piddling bowl game in December (I'm a BYU grad).

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    Sept. 13, 2011 8:14 p.m.

    "Utah top 25 ending rankings 2003,2004,2008,2009,2010"

    Big J, funny that you would include 2010. After all, we hear from all the Ute fans that the AP poll is the "real" poll and the most credible (they cite this source as their #2 ranking in 2008). Looking at the AP poll, I don't see the Utes in the Top 25 in 2010.

    Anyway, you seem to have forgotten a very important stat: National Championships.

    It's funny how Ute fans laugh at BYU for having so many NCAA basketball appearances BYU has without going to the Final Four. That kind of reminds me of number of undefeated seasons in football without a national championship. Utah has 7 undefeated seasons, yet none resulted in a championship (0%). BYU has only one, but that resulted in becoming the national champion (100%). To simplify:
    Percentage of undefeated seasons that resulted in a national championship:
    Utah- 0%
    BYU- 100%

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 8:02 p.m.

    @just some guy

    "I'm a BYU fan but what is there to look forward to this season?"

    Uh...the season? If your standard for having something to look forward to is undefeated then you are going to be disappointed pretty much every single year regardless of the team you like.

    There are 10 more games to look forward to, 11 with a bowl game. That is 11 more times to have a game day. 11 more times to either go to the stadium or sit down in front of the tv. 11 more times to see what happens with every snap of the ball. 11 more times to wear all of my Cougar gear. 11 more times do everything involved with getting ready for a game.

    So what if they are going to the Armed forces Bowl, I'll go and it will be a great trip. Most fans of most teams won't be going anywhere. utah fans won't be going anywhere any better than that to any better of a bowl than that. The truth is that if you aren't going to play for the national championship then all of the bowls are pretty much the same.

  • just some guy Orem, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 8:01 p.m.

    Wow, I just looked at all the college bowl games and there are only two worse than the armed forces bowl; they are the Hawaii bowl and New Orleans bowl. Every other bowl has a bigger payout than the 600,000 the Armed Forces Bowl paid out last year, even the New Mexico Bowl. Couldn't BYU get a better contract than that? That is pathetic.

  • just some guy Orem, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 7:49 p.m.

    BYU doesn't have anything to play for the rest of the year. It's already set in stone: Armed forces bowl. Most likely against Airforce. And I'm a BYU fan but what is there to look forward to this season?

  • ClassyUte SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 5:56 p.m.


    Look at our last 6 games? What about BYU's last 6 games? They beat up on a few horrible teams and lost to all the good ones. Does that mean that BYU is going nowhere as well (where ASU already is btw). I really don't follow that part of your logic. I personally think that Utah and BYU are both on the rise. If ASU does something this year, then maybe they will be too, but from what i've seen in the past (See no.14 ASU getting whooped by UNLV a few years back), I won't count on it.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 5:14 p.m.

    Jake will wake up and BYU will win. Score:

    BYU 28
    Utah 3

  • maryland cougar Pikesville, MD
    Sept. 13, 2011 4:57 p.m.

    here out east the utes are non threatening no one cares about them most dont even know about them vt maryland flordia state nc are all as good if not better than utah byu would be about the same terps have a nc in basketball in 2001 unlike utes in 1944

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 4:53 p.m.


    You are correct that teams change every year. This could be ASU's year. Then again it could be another choke. That is why we play the games.

    I am just going on recent history and ASU has not been good. ASU has always had an easier path to a BCS bowl and could not do it. Utah has done it twice from the outside.

    I welcome ASU to Utah in a few weeks and it will be settled on the field as it should be.

    Go Utes!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 4:21 p.m.

    Oh and I really enjoy reading all the pre-emptive excuses but utah "fans" on here that realize they are going to lose this week.


  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    Sept. 13, 2011 4:16 p.m.

    Big J

    You know. It is funny that u feel that a team that hasn't done anything lately cannot go on a run and become the team to beat.

    Kind of like utah was absolutely nobody before 2004.

    It would seem to me that a u fan would understand that a blooming change in a program only needs one season, some close wins, some bad opponents, and a BCS invite to make them relevant for a little while.

    It sounds like you need help understanding college football.

    Teams change every year. They have people graduate and leave the program, with new players coming in. ASU is coming into their own. u are fading fast.
    think about your last 6 games. what have u done that is noteworthy?

    Laugh it up. ASU is coming. u don't think they a preparing for you?

    It is also funny that u think that 2 BCS wins makes you relevant. To who? Go on any search engine and search for the top 50 college football programs of all time and I bet ASU is higher than u, and BYU is higher than them.

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 4:07 p.m.

    Riverton Cougar

    Thank you for proving my point.

    Since 1998 (BCS Era)
    Utah top 25 ending rankings 2003,2004,2008,2009,2010, top 5 twice, top 10 twice
    BYU top 25 ending rankings 2001,2006,2007,2008,2009, Top 5 none, top 10 none

    Utah best ranking 2, second best 4
    BYU best ranking 12, second best 14

    Utah undefeated seasons 2
    BYU undefeated seasons 0

    Utah BCS Bowls 2, BCS Bowl Wins 2
    BYU BCS Bowls 0, BCS Bowl Wins 0

    Utah record vs ranked teams 9 wins 12 losses
    BYU record vs ranked teams 3 wins 24 losses

    I will agree that BYU had a better Football program in the late 1970's thru the 1990's but since the BCS started, Utah has been better.

    Go Utes!

  • Alaskan Ute Fairbanks, AK
    Sept. 13, 2011 3:51 p.m.

    Well stated PAC Member - You summarized my feelings exactly.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 3:42 p.m.

    Honor Code,

    So it's greedy to want a shot at the most prestigious award in college football, the National Championship? It's greedy to want your athletes to have a chance to compete against the best almost every week? It's greedy to want to provide the best possible experience for your students and atheletes?

    Keep in mind, as a public school, Utah is in a different situation than BYU. The U made the move to the Pac 12 largely for the reasons I stated above. Yes, more money is necessary to make those things happen. Don't try to tell us BYU wouldn't have done the same thing, if the invitation had come. Tom Holmoe admitted that in an interview already.

  • nairbnosral American Fork, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 3:29 p.m.

    Chris B,

    This is the fourth or fifth time I have read your "chances" post. You have copied and pasted it with the SAME typo ("We done play Stanford") in every BYU article.

    Please give it a rest.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    Sept. 13, 2011 3:18 p.m.

    "BYU has not been relevent since 1984."

    From 2001-2010 (the most recent 10 seasons), BYU has had 5 Top-25 seasons.
    From 1892-2010 (the entire history of Utah football), Utah has had 5 Top-25 finishes. Especially since Ute fans love to throw around Top-25 finishes to prove their points, this can be interpreted to mean that BYU has been as relevant this past decade as Utah has ever been.


  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 2:35 p.m.


    I'm setting here laughing at you and your friend.

    BYU has not been relevent since 1984.

    ASU almost as bad.

    Last bowl win 2005 vs Rutgers 45-40
    Last conference championship 2007 and it was shared prior to that 1996
    Never been to a BCS bowl game. Last saw the Rose bowl in 1997 and lost
    Sun Devil Stadium is a hole

    I can hardly work I'm laughing so hard. Go Utes!

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 2:35 p.m.

    hard to predict this game. Neither offense is playing well so I think it comes down to who has the best defense. I think Heaps has to play better in this game than the last two. Also the BYU running game has to show up - O-line and backs. Turn overs are always HUGE in this game so whoever protects the ball the best will probably win.....

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    Sept. 13, 2011 2:32 p.m.

    Big J,

    It is true that the Utes can afford to lose this game and go to a BCS game while BYU can't (BYU will likely go to a BCS bowl if BYU and Texas both win the rest of their games). You guys are lucky in that way, because you know deep down that you will very likely lose this game.

    Does anybody else note the irony in the situation? Notice that before, they said that the best team wins (like last year, they claim they won because Utah was the "better" team in the game). However, now that they are in a BCS conference, the better team is the one from the BCS conference. If BYU wins, they will still claim that Utah is better! Especially if BYU goes 11-1 and Utah goes 10-2 and Utah were to go to a BCS bowl while BYU didn't, they would make that claim! Even if both or none were in a BCS game, they would say Utah is better, even though they lost to BYU. How ironic!

  • jazzfan14 Sandy, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 2:00 p.m.

    PAC Member: Well said! I think that most Ute and Cougar fans would agree that things would be better if the rivalry would end.

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 2:00 p.m.

    Lets be real honest, and I know BYU fans will not like this, but this game means much more to BYU then Utah.

    Why? BYU is playing a BCS school and they need a win for credibility. Additionally, not that their season is not already shot; two losses will mean it for sure. I know it stinks for BYU to have to admit they are the little brother.

    On the other hand, win or lose it does not affect Utahs ultimate goal of a Pac12 championship. All Utah supporters still want the win but in the end this has no bearing on our season.

    It is good to be Utah.

    Go Utes!

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    Sept. 13, 2011 1:45 p.m.

    Navel Vet

    I brought up ASU because by buddy, who is sitting next to me, is an ASU fan and he's tired of hearing that utah is so great and such a powerhouse in football when they haven't done anything in the last three seasons or the first two games of this season. 2 BCS wins to him means nothing when you played a bunch of patsy's during the season.

    (he's laughing at you right now)

    He says that ASU is going to clock utah. He is looking up your stadium. He had never seen it before and thinks it is a high school.

    (He's still laughing)

    If I care so much about the u, like u care about the Y, why have I never read a ute article, or commented on their boards? Trust me. I don't care what happens to u.

  • ImaCaMan Redlands, CA
    Sept. 13, 2011 1:33 p.m.

    Coming off a game with USC and Washington, ASU and Pitt on the horizon- they just aren't that important anymore. Either a 2 (in SLC) for 1 or better yet, drop them altogether.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Sept. 13, 2011 12:45 p.m.

    I can assure you nobody takes Chris B seriously.

  • wardu Fallon, NV
    Sept. 13, 2011 12:44 p.m.

    Any win by BYU over an AQ team is a good thing. Any loss by the Utes is a good thing. Crissy thinks any team can score 31 against BYU, has not happened yet, will not happen this week either. I say if BYU scores more than 24 they win, if not they lose.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 13, 2011 12:29 p.m.

    @ Chris B:

    Nice the utes can make a BCS bowl without earning it. No Oregon or Stanford is something to brag about? You're compulsion against BYU and it's honor codes is a goodluck charm:

    Cougs 31
    Utes 10

  • UtahMan4evr Sandy, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 12:22 p.m.

    Like most everyone else is saying, it's hard to get excited. BYU needs this game much more than Utah does. The only thing on the line for Utah, already a member of a BCS conference, is bragging rights. BYU has much more at stake as a program on the outside looking in. Both teams have good defenses this year, but rather medocre ofenses. The team that plays defense better will win, and I think that will be Utah. As always, I expect a very close game. I also expect this series to eventually peter out, especially if the idea of super conferences come to fruition. There won't be room on the schedule for Utah to play BYU on a yearly basis. Perhaps the series will continue as an every other year or every third year event. Isn't this game opposite Oklahoma/Florida State? ESPN isn't exactly showing respect to BYU to put their game on the same time as a showcase match up like that.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 12:09 p.m.

    This is BYU's bowl game, period. Maybe the TCU game, but by then who knows what has happened to either team.

    BYU is now locked in to the Kraft Fight Hunger Armed Forces Macco Bowl, as long as they beat up on the pathetic WAC schedule they have coming up.

    There season has come down to this.

    Beat Utah. That's all that matters now. A marquee game against Rice awaits after the season, which nobody cares about. This is it. This game is HUGE for BYU. With the impending implosion of the Big12, this will become BYU's reality from hear on out. Lose a game, and all focus turns to beating Utah.

    On the other hand, for Utah, this game literally means as much as the Montana State game, or the Pitt game coming up. Get it out of the way, and jump into conference to fight for a spot in the CCG.

    Just the truth. No matter how badly Cougar fans wish it wasn't.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 11:03 a.m.

    I don't care if the game is early or late in the season, as long as it's played I'll be happy.

    And as long as it remains competitive, crazy and as unpredictable as the last 20 years, I think the players and coaches will treat it the same - as a HUGE RIVALRY GAME regardless of conference, etc.

    What unpredictable thing will happen this year? Here's what I'd love to see:

    Sunday sports page headline: "Cougars lost in a surprise red Hays"

    To Cougar fans' delight, Van Noy crushes Wynn mid-second quarter and Wynn re-injures his shoulder and leaves the game. Jon Hays enters the game and goes 3 and out - Coug fans and players begin their post game celebrating at half-time with BYU leading 17-6.

    Hays then comes out in the second half as calm, confident and poised as Brett Ratliff and proceeds to lead the Utes on several sustained drives.

    When Blechen intercepts a Heaps pass in the last minute of the game it completes an amazing comeback and the Utes walk away with a 27-23 victory.

    Crazy talk? That's what I love about this rivalry, anything can happen.

  • jefferysl Huntsville, Alabama
    Sept. 13, 2011 10:35 a.m.

    Well, as a Washington fan (and a Ute fan since 2008), this comes down to a PAC-12 Team versus a tough out of conference foe. Go Utes!

  • jersey Mt Laurel, NJ
    Sept. 13, 2011 10:29 a.m.

    if both teams actually believe what they say about trying to win national chapionships, the game should mean just as much to both teams no matter when they play. going to a bcs bowl is the same as playing in the alamo bowl. the utes need to step it up and start focusing on winning national titles.

    Sept. 13, 2011 10:18 a.m.

    @Chris B

    You crack me up (sarcasm)! You might want to consider coming up with something original to say, instead of copying and pasting the same comment from one article to another. People might actually take your comments more seriously.

    Also, I'd consider making accurate predictions, instead of just throwing out numbers. You don't have the best track record when it comes to predictions.

    Is this nice enough, DNews?

  • In Stitches Provo, Utah
    Sept. 13, 2011 9:54 a.m.


    Honor code is an equal opportunity troll for both the Cougs and the Utes.


    Just have to say: I like the t-shirt Bronco's wearing.... Maybe Dick could write another article about this one.

  • GoGetter Sandy, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 9:53 a.m.

    It's gonna be a doozy like every year. The game doesn't feel normal to me, though. I think it's because there was no season-long buildup. Anyways, here's to the Utes, beat the cougars!! It's already guaranteed that Jake Hypes will throw 3 INT's, and if our defense can force 2 fumbles on USC, it really shouldn't be hard to keep the ball in our offense's hands.

    Go Utes!!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Sept. 13, 2011 9:30 a.m.


    "I don't care enough about utah for it to matter to me....utah does not have a chance against ASU."

    But this story had nothing to do with ASU. You try to convince all these readers here that you don't care about the Utes, but cared enough to look ahead to future Ute opponents to comment on who will supposedly beat us later on down the line.

    You're outed Starfairy. You care. You care so much, it hurts. Haha!

  • Madden Herriman, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 9:25 a.m.

    Should be a fun game, but the timing and lack of conference positioning on the line makes it lose luster. The Pac should allow the game to happen during rivalry week in November...Utah will never have a rivalry with Colorado. Scheduling should be easy too, let USC play ND and Utah play BYU that same weekend.

    The game will mean more to BYU this year because their goals are about wins and overall ranking (no conference title on the line and the BCS bowl possibility won't be there most years since the Y will almost always lose an early game).

    For those who think it doesn't matter to Utah though - you are kidding yourselves as much as the delusional folks who think ASU is going to actually live up to expectations (hint: they always choke).

  • PAC Member Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 9:25 a.m.

    I've been a long time University of Utah fan. I graduated from the U. 20 years ago. I've been a long time supporter of football as a season ticket holder. I've truly enjoyed the rivalry over the years.

    Over the past six years the hatred that has festered and spewed by players, fans on both sides, and friends, the game has become too large of an emotional and spiritual liability. Hatred now fills the air as local sports talk shows feed a fire that no longer needs fueling. This hatred follows fellow members to church and makes Sunday's attendance following the game virtually intolerable.

    I'm hopeful that BYU's independence and ultimate invitation to a BCS conference will shine a greater light on a new objective. Utah's membership to the PAC brings with it new possibilities and challenges. I'm hopeful for each school that their new "challenges" don't involve each other. The day of the inapplicable, ill named "Holy War" needs to end.

    The rivalry's time has come and gone. Utah's goals are set on the BCS and that doesn't include BYU - the game that no longer matters. I hope BYU's future is the same and doesn't include Utah.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Sept. 13, 2011 9:24 a.m.


    "...the more losses BYU gets, the worse for them in the long run as an independent."

    Well, it won't effect your bowl destination. If you win at least 6-games -- which shouldn't be too difficult with that FCS/WAC schedule you have there -- you're going to Dallas.

  • IQ92 hi, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 9:22 a.m.

    Will the demise of the BYU-Utah rivalry: 1) lead to better relations between fans from both schools, and 2) push thinly veiled anti-Mormon enmity to other venues?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 8:43 a.m.

    Utah's chance of playing in BCS game:

    Considering -
    We done play Stanford
    We don't play Oregon(until title game)
    USC can't go to title game
    We're one of top 2 teams in Division(USC the other)

    30% Chance Utah plays in Rose Bowl
    70% Chance Oregon plays in Rose Bowl

    byu's chance of playing BCS game

    0% chance, like every other year


    Utah 31
    byu 17

    Mark it Down!

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 8:32 a.m.

    Honor Code | 7:15 a.m. Sept. 13, 2011
    Denver, Colorado
    Once upon a time Utah and BYU had a great rivalry and tradition.........greed changed all that!

    Might I suggest that both Universities were both looking out for the best interests of the schools, and their fans.

  • JewishCougar Murray, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 7:45 a.m.

    Really Honor Code? Greed?
    I hope/believe BYU would have made that jump to the PAC 12 if they were invited. I hate to say it, but BYU just doesnt have the same luxuries as Utah.

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    Sept. 13, 2011 7:39 a.m.

    Personally I don't care if the rivalry continues.

    I don't care enough about utah for it to matter to me. I realized that I started hating utah because of the ute trolls, then I realized, I don't care what ute trolls think, and went back to being apathetic about the utes.

    But, like any game, I hope we Rise Up this Saturday.

    On another note...

    utah does not have a chance against ASU. After what happened last season, galvanizing the team, and watching them the first to games. They are a team on a mission, and I think they have destiny on their side this year. Even if BYU means nothing in your schedule, ASU does, and I don't see utah beating them.

    Go Cougars!

  • Magic Happens Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 7:21 a.m.

    Maybe I misread something but don't Ole Miss (SEC) and Texas (Big 12) belong to a BCS AQ conference?

  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    Sept. 13, 2011 7:15 a.m.

    Once upon a time Utah and BYU had a great rivalry and tradition.........greed changed all that!

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 6:23 a.m.

    It seems like only the media has been hoping for a continued's time that it just go away. And it is very encouraging that at least the bitter fan behavior should now go away, even if the game is still played consistently.

  • nunya sacramento, ca
    Sept. 12, 2011 10:51 p.m.

    well that's the big fat obvious dnews.

  • the REAL DEAL Sandy, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 10:37 p.m.

    The hardest part about getting excited for this game is the fact that both teams just lost close games to two of the best programs in college football history. When they've played each other in the past their usually coming off wins over the likes of any of the weaker teams in the MWC.Like most fans I'm still dissapointed by last weeks loss. It's way to early to get hyped up about Utah vs. byu. If they had both won the hype and excitement would be off the charts. What we're left with is two 1-1 teams with good defenses and poor offenses{so far}. It is what it is. Of course by Saturday I'll feel different but it's still wierd.

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 9:46 p.m.

    WhatsInItForMe | 9:19 p.m. Sept. 12, 2011
    Orem, Utah

    Good point. However, your truthfulness will make the Duckhunter cry.


  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Sept. 12, 2011 9:19 p.m.

    There's more on the line for BYU than Utah.

    Utah's Pac-12 fortunes are in their hands, win or lose at BYU.

    However, the more losses BYU gets, the worse for them in the long run as an independent.

    Sad, but true.