Thank you President Monson for your prophetic thoughts and teachings. Your
comments are for all. May we never forget and may we become more unified as a
nation of caring people as we were after this terrible tragedy. May we
"love one another".
To McBillay: I disagree in the so called abuse of Religion caused 9/11. I find
that extremists caused 9/11 and used religion as a crutch. You statemany that
it has happened in Utah and the only ones that has caused this in the name of
religon is polygamy that when practiced under the guidelines the Lord sets for
it does and will work. Unfortunately, there are those who have misinterpreted
this for their own reasons. They again use it as a crutch. If we take the
guidance that President Monson and others have stated then yes it is a means to
solve it. There are good Muslims, Good Christians, Good Hindus and etc. that
are devout in their religions. These then have a tendency to share that love
with all they come in contact with, thus helping others to change and become
better people. People make choices everyday and religion is one of those
choices. So many people use religion as a crutch. They only practice it on a
holy day. This is wrong as to believe and follow ones religion is a way of
life. That is the big difference between the hypocrits and not.
To screwdriver: You miss a very valid point and that is that it was Al Quiada
that attacked us, not Saudi Arabia. Al Quiada was being supported and hid by
the Taliban in Afagansistan. Therefore, the attack and continued presence of
the US Military there is of utmost importance. I still feel that Iraq was a
good move but that it was done incorrectly, too much politics.If we
had not attacked the Taliban and Al Quiada then we would have continued to have
problems as we did on Sept 11. Your views scare me more than anything in that
it seems you feel we should have left well enough alone. If that is true then
the dead of Sept 11 would have done so in vain. Your attitude is similar to
many during WWII. Until we learn that we must be able to defend ourselves, our
way of life, then our freedoms mean nothing. Freedom isn't free, it costs the
greatest blood of a generation. Though I agree that many wanted revenge, we
still needed to do what was done. We continue to do that today.
Of course President Monson is correct. I imagine that mormons don't think they
ever lost thier way though - they will think Monson is talking about everybody
else.We lost our way very quickly after 9/11 looking for revenge and
payment where it was never due in Iraq and Afganistan. It was Saudi Arabians
that attaked us and Iraq nor Afganistan had weapons of mass destruction. We did
the mass distructing if you remember those years.I do rememeber the
church making a statement that we should be very carefull in matters about going
to war but most outspken members I knew were talking "bomb'em". As a
black sheep liberal of the ward I was very dissapointed. I do think there are
many more that don't speak up because so many prestood holders were talking
about how we need to bomb the enemy and those that support them. The evil
influence of the right wing on the church.There was a list of other
clergy that spoke about 9/11 and I was very impressed with how pointedly they
addressed the issue.
Vanka,It was the apparent spirit in which you made that tithing
comment that I found distasteful, especially after you attacked Cougzz for
his/her invitation to ChrisB to meet with the missionaries.It called
up the vision of the widow's mite that Christ mentions in Luke 21 - after the
wealthy give their gifts to the treasury, a poor widow gives a paltry sum, and
Jesus reflects that, "Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath
cast in more than they all." Why? Because while others may have given
much to the LDS Church because their 10% is a greater sum and their fast
offerings are larger, it is the poor whose 10% is that much more dear who truly
give the most.If, indeed, you have given more via tithing and
offerings than 90% of Church members, you are probably quite wealthy. What a
blessing that is, and something to rejoice in and thank God for! How much good
we can do with our means. If it really bothers you that your wife gives money
to the Church, why not ask her to stop?
Montana Mormon,I appreciate your last comment. Trust me when I say I
have no animosity toward Mormons or the Mormon Church.I am married
to the best Mormon your Church has ever had!But she is a great
person despite her Mormonism, not because of it. She just happened to have been
born into a relatively prominent Mormon family whom we love dearly.I
have sincerely studied the BOM and LDS Standard Works, attended meetings, and in
every way lived as an active LDS person for two decades now. I have never
received a "testimony" or anything like it.Over the years,
when missionaries, EQ Presidents, HP Group Leaders, Bishops, Stake Presidents,
and a GA (70) have discussed the Church with me, with very few exceptions (1),
they all turn this lack of an "answer" back as an accusation and
condemnation against me: I am insincere; I am too proud; I am too intellectual;
I am insufficiently humble; I have not fully repented (of what?); I have not
tried hard enough; yada yada.Just because a person doesn't believe
the same as you, and honestly did not receive any "answer", does NOT
mean they are unworthy sinners!
katiefrankie,That I have probably paid more tithing and donations
than 90% of LDS members is "awful"?Please explain.
Chris, you're on your way to becoming a true BYU and LDS fan. Just keep reading
comments from Pres. Monson and keep posting half of the comments on BYU articles
and you'll be converted in no time at all...
"I have probably paid more tithing and donations than 90% of actual
members."Still trying to see how that comment is less awful
than a heartfelt invitation to share in what has made someone else's life happy
Vanka, I owe you an apology. I will try to view your comments through a
different set of eyes. Your posts of 6:29 and 6:38 provided me some perspective
that I obviously needed.
Vanka, I'll have you know that for the sake of argument... I attempted to reply
to you and was denied. I know why I was and it was certainly warranted. But the
point is, you're not the only one who gets denied, and I'm not fighting the LDS
Church, I defend it... as you well know.In the end, my point was
this-1- fighting the LDS Church brings nothing good. While
disagreeing isn't necessarily disrespectful... making one's entire efforts in
conversation focused on fighting others beliefs is disrespectful.2-
Consider the other option, working together, focusing on what we have in common,
rather than simply fighting everything you don't like about the Church.
"We are accused of being "anti-Mormon", "haters", and
all manner of horrible things."---VankaThose are horrible
things. It's almost as bad as being called clones.
OK, here's hoping..."If there is a spiritual lesson to be
learned from our experience of that fateful day, it may be that we owe to God
the same faithfulness that He gives to us," Using 9/11 as a
lever to encourage increased "faithfulness" and "commitment"
to God seems to ignore the fact that it was extreme and fanatical
"faithfulness" and "commitment" to God that fueled the
attacks.We must never forget that 9/11 was executed *in the name of
God* - in the name of the God of Abraham, whom some LDS leaders have said is the
same God as the LDS God.9/11 was motivated by a hatred toward modern
societies and their encroachment on the fundamentally religious-based cultures
of the Middle East. Their perception that "the world" is evil and
corrupt has direct parallels to that same sentiment among LDS. Such parallels
are of concern, suggesting we keep our eye on LDS culture lest it provide the
religious fodder for similar fanaticism down the road (echos of Mountain
Meadows).In short, I disagree that we should take the
"spiritual lesson" from 9/11 that Monson recommended.(Admittedly, he does tell good stories).
Montana Mormon,My comment was not "caustic". It is
"caustic" to have said so.My comment was, at most,
ambiguous and vague.I disagree with some of the points made by
Monson.Disagreement is not disrespect.Refusal to allow
disagreement IS disrespect.My comments have repeatedly been denied
because they are not "faith-promoting".But that does not
mean they are disrespectful or that they violate the DN comment policies.In fact, your comments toward me on several occasions have violated
those policies, but they get posted anyway, while mine get denied. Why? Because
you are a supporter of the Church and I am not (although on behalf of my LDS
wife, I have probably paid more tithing and donations than 90% of actual
members).So, if the Editorial staff will allow it, I will try again
to submit my respectful disagreements.
JFFR,Thank you for your comment.The flip side of that
same disrespect for those of us who are not of your faith is the criticism and
condemnation that we receive if we openly and honestly tell you not only that we
don't want to "join" you (much less become clones of you), but WHY we
don't.We are accused of being "anti-Mormon",
"haters", and all manner of horrible things. We are told we are not
"truly" happy (no "fulness of joy!"), and that our lives are
being lived "in the dark".We grow tired of it. We do not
want to be assimilated (I do not mean that in a trite or rude way).It is this lack of respect and treating everyone like a "mark" -
like a target for your missionary zeal - that blinds you to the wonderful people
that thrive and enjoy life OUTSIDE your Church.And taken to an
extreme, it is the same lack of respect for our differences and unique value in
the world that dehumanizes people and allows religious and political zealots to
create the destruction that is pictured and memorialized in this article.
JFFR at 3:52:Well said! Thank you.
@Cougzz and the truthMaybe I am alone, but I am incredibly
embarrassed by your comments. The fact that 15+ have already
"recommended" your comments makes it even worse.Just
because someone likes and respects our leaders doesn't mean they want to join
our church. I know missionary work is important, but if you are over-eager your
will push people away. "Be bold but not overbearing"Chris
B offered some kind words and we all really appreciate them, but right before he
offered those kind words he very clearly stated that he doesn't want to be a
member of our church. Please respect that. You can be a good, God-fearing
person and not be Mormon (I shudder that I even have to say this. I hate saying
this, it should be obvious.)Sorry, I might be overly sensitve but I
cringed when I read your posts. I really appreciated Chris B's comment, he
extended out a hand of neighborly love. I feel like you guys grabbed that hand
and said "Join us!" when you should have said "Thanks
I remember that on Sept 11, 2001 the Mormon Tabernacle Choir had a concert
planned. After the events of the day, they decided not to cancel the
performance, but to dedicate it to the victims and families of the victims. It
was on TV shortly after President Bush addressed the nation. President Hinckley offered a few words, but what I remember more than any
other words that were offered that day were the words that Pres. Monson offered
in his opening prayer. It was a short prayer.He simply quoted DC
25:12"For my soul delighteth in the song of the heart; yea, the
song of the righteous is a prayer unto me, and it shall be answered with a
blessing upon their heads."Then he said (not a direct quote)
"Heavenly Father we need you now. This choir will sing hymns, please bless
us."No other prayer/meeting has brought more peace to my life.
Vanka:Your quintessentially caustic comment was posted by DN. So
what is your complaint really about? It appears to me that those who have
chosen to post comments have also chosen to show respect for Pres. Monson and to
express their appreciation for his wise reflections on a horrific tragedy that
changed the world.Really, Vanka, you're too much.
Book of Mormon reinforces everything Pres. Monson said. Sadly, history repeats
itself as people forget lessons, insights of the past, until tragedy strikes
again. The wisest among us remember, constantly find ways to remind themselves
of our dependence upon God, and need to pay heed to his words to us.
The words of Elder Bruce R. McConkie come to mind: Come listen to a Prophet's
voice and hear the word of God! God Bless President Monson!
Thank you Pres. Monson for all you do. Thanks also for those commenting on being
in Korea on 9/11. I had that from people in Utah because my family lives in NJ,
just making sure they were ok. It was very appreciated.
Bob, i was in Korea on 9/11 as well. Wasn't the outpouring of concern from the
Korean people for the safety of our families back in the states amazing? I had
many perfect strangers ask me if my family was well and safe. This tragedy truly
brought the world together. if only we could remember to keep those ties tight.
Nice comment, ChrisB...But then those who don't like what Monson
said are not allowed to express it?How is that truthful or right?
It was a great idea for the Post to solicit responses from these religious
leaders. It was an even better response. Thank you for your wisdom and for your
Chris B:Although I'm a BYU alum and Cougar fan, you can talk smack
about the Cougs all you want. That's the nature of being a sports fan. Coug
fans talk smack plenty about their rivals to the north.I also want
to thank you for your kind remarks about Pres. Monson and his predecessors.
That was very classy of you.
@ Chris BNice touch! All the best to you and yours . . .
"Though I'll never think about being a Mormon, for some reason I like most
of those Mormon leaders." - Chris B"for some reason"
- that reason is the spirit witnessing the truth to you.
"Though I'll never think about being a Mormon, for some reason I like most
of those Mormon leaders." - Chris B"For some
reason".... I have two friends that would like to talk to you.
I was living in Korea when 9/11 occured. One of my neighbors woke me and I
watched much of it on CNN - even the secong plane hitting the tower.The remarkable thing to me was that within a day and for several days Korean
homes and cars flew American flags.President Monson has a wonderful
way with words, simple and heartfelt. He does indeed speak for God.
Whenever I hear President Monson speak, or whenver I read his written words, I
feel the Spirit of God telling my soul that President Monson is indeed the
Lord's prophet for all the world.I'm sure that President Monson
would insist that he is not perfect, like the Master that Christians throughout
the world know and love, but he is as close as one can become to it in
mortality.God bless our dear Prophet, President Monson.
@Chris B:You're a good guy, in spite of your abuse of the Cougars.
Thanks for the kind remark.
Thank you President Monson for putting perspective back where it belongs, back
in our faith in Heavenly Father and our beloved savior Jesus Christ without him
nothing is possible and with him everything is possible. How I love them.
These two quotes, from here and elsewhere, resonate well with my thoughts on
9-11 and especially when the people attempt to justify their violence with
belief.-------President Monson:"Tragedies are not merely opportunities to give Him a fleeting thought,
or for momentary insight to His plan for our happiness. Destruction allows us to
rebuild our lives in the way He teaches us, and to become something different
than we were. We can make Him the center of our thoughts and His Son, Jesus
Christ, the pattern for our behavior. We may not only find faith in God in our
sorrow. We may also become faithful to Him in times of calm."Joseph Smith:"If any man is authorized to take away my life
because he thinks and says I am a false teacher, then, upon the same principle,
we should be justified in taking away the life of every false teacher, and where
would be the end of blood? And who would not be the sufferer?"-------Joseph Smith shows how belief can not justify fighting.
President Monson shows how we can prevent and become even better. These men
certainly speak directly from God to us.
His voice was needed along with the words so that everyone could grasp his
wonderful way with words and emotion. When he speaks, a calm runs through my
Loved it. Wished this kind of stuff would happen more often. Even if it is
other religious leaders.
Thank you President Monson. You are a remarkable man and prophet of God.
Hopefully your words of counsel and direction will help this nation to start
obeying His commandments. A lot of trials and hardships could be avoided if
only we kept the commandments. Then when the trials do come, we know that God
will bring us peace through those trials.
Though I'll never think about being a Mormon, for some reason I like most of
those Mormon leaders.