Michele Bachmann's pastor on Mormonism

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  • fatcaesar Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 14, 2011 5:14 p.m.

    How about the analogy that your car may be running on 85 octane but adding to have more truth is liking raising octane to 93 instead of 85 or having jet fueled engines vs gasoline engines!

  • watcher@75 SMITHFIELD, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 2:55 p.m.

    From the looks of things, all the candidates are Christian. We are one nation under God. No one would dare say that the immigrants from Scotland or Ireland (my ancestry) are Christians but the American Indians who took great pains to call upon the Great Spirit are not. I am a staunch member of The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints. Jesus Christ is my Savior and Redeemer. I have many friends who I acknowledge as Christians because of their benevolence towards their fellow beings and a genuine reverence for a Higher Being - a Deity whom they know not by what name to call Him. The love I have for this nation is that Americans of any status or religion get to run for President of the United States. I like to see as many Americans who want to do so run as candidates for the Oval Office. My only disappoint is that there are not more Native Americans vying for that position.

  • libertarian Cedar City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 1:33 p.m.

    Just ask anyone about "someone elses" religion and you will get the same answer. Hundreds of religions and all believe that the others are "false".

  • grandmagreat Lake Havasu City, AZ
    Sept. 12, 2011 10:05 a.m.

    In my 85 years, and many elections, the one that is soon upon us concerns me, we have good men, as well as those who want power only, running for office. I do not live in Utah, and was not born in Utah. However, my ancestors were driven out of Nauvoo during the cold winter weather.and crossed the plains, some were buried on the plains. I am grateful for their faith, the example they set for me and others in their family. I have my own testimony of the Truthfullness of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and have had to cope with others that would put the church down. I have discovered that what I need to do is live the Gospel the way I have been taught, and pray for everyone that is voting that they will vote for the person most suited for the job. Whether you be Democrat, Republican, Tea Party,or other independent. Remember this is a nation under God, and that we need to preserve it for our posterity. And to Love our neighbors.

  • johnnylingo62 Gray, TN
    Sept. 12, 2011 8:26 a.m.

    I think the Pastor has it a little backward... in the car analogy... what the Mormons have done is not DILUTE the gasoline, but have ADDED living energy and restored "lost ingredients" that boost fuel efficiency and performance so the car runs cleaner and with less pollution. And especially for modern cars that need daily care as road conditions deteriorate and added safety equipment and software updates (living prophets) are needed to enhance the ride, enjoy the view, and convey the occupants to a safe return home.

  • Robert Jolley Newport Beach, CA
    Sept. 11, 2011 3:01 p.m.

    To put it bluntly, Christ himself could tell her pastor that Mormons are indeed Christian but he wouldn't believe it. Sad state of affairs when a dude with so much sway doesn't do a little honest research to understand what he's talking about.

  • morpunkt Glendora, CA
    Sept. 11, 2011 12:11 a.m.

    Is Michelle Bachmann relevant anymore, at this juncture?
    I believe she'll be dropping-out of the race soon.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 10, 2011 4:17 p.m.

    Chuckie..... you are correct in the baptist don't draw a direct line of authority from a central early day church, because they believe that is not what Peter setup as he did his travels. Rather, they believe it was individual congregations that were left behind without a central church. The Catholic church basically consolidated these churches under one authority, which during the reformation, they claim they undid to return "the church" to its original state in the 1600's.

    Thats their claim.... not saying it is right.

    What is fact is that for the first couple of hundred years of the early christian church, there were a lot of independent Christian churches spread from Europe all the way down in to central Africa. Write, wrong, it was what it was.

  • Trubluaggfan LOGAN, UT
    Sept. 10, 2011 3:15 p.m.

    Don't Mormons (myself included) believe that other religions are "diluted," adding additional philosophies inspired by men to the words of God? Like other readers, I did not find the comments very offensive. If anything, I admire the good things spoken about the LDS Church even though I may respecfully disagree with his or Ms. Bachman's religious principles. This article makes much ado about nothing.

  • mnelsonj West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 10, 2011 12:57 p.m.

    I listened to the sermon, and have not found any fact about the LDS Church to be false. He quoted Mormon scripture and counsel from General Authorities. His opinion differs from Mormons about God, salvation, etc. But he did not lie about the church and was complimentary of Mormons.

  • Michigander Westland, MI
    Sept. 10, 2011 12:00 p.m.

    What any of the 2 political party candidates say doesn't make a particle of difference anymore, because both parties have "corrupted themselves." Because of this, and the fact that we have never had a major 3rd party that holds the balance of power, our current Federal government seems to be headed down the path to self-destruction (read Mosiah 29:25-30 & Helaman 5:2).

  • Vanechka NEWPORT COAST, CA
    Sept. 10, 2011 11:30 a.m.


    I appreciate the concession and sentiment of your last comment, but I must respectfully decline to agree with you. I have prayed, fasted, read, studied, listened, attended, paid, and done everything the LDS Church and "Moroni's Promise" requires, and I have done so "with full purpose of heart", "in all sincerity", "with real intent", for about two decades, and it has been demonstrated to me that God does NOT "hear and answer that prayer".

    As for your "loving" me, you don't even know me, so please don't dilute and cheapen the concept of love like that.


    I did not misrepresent the 3rd Article of Faith. Despite the phrase "through the Atonement of Christ", the statement still says that salvation comes "by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the [LDS] Gospel".

    Many LDS falsely explain that "salvation" means resurrection, which is given to all freely, but "exaltation" comes through righteous works and ordinances.

    Such ideas are contrary to this Article of Faith, unless you believe only people who obey the "laws and ordinances of the gospel" will be "resurrected"?

    There is no doubt LDS doctrine teaches salvation by "works" (of the law/Torah), contrary to Paul's Christianity.

  • chicagoslc Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 10, 2011 10:06 a.m.

    What an observation that Mormonism doesn't work. But what about study after study that shows Mormons are among the most devout Christians in the United States, the social welfare system that assists thousands of people, and the numerous other programs of the church that only succeed because of committed people.

  • Andermart Pullman, WA
    Sept. 10, 2011 9:00 a.m.

    To Vanka, Sharrona and Ranchhand;

    I think the real issue for us all needs to be what do we personally believe about modern revelation. If we accept it, then we can read the Book of Mormon and ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, if it is inspired of God. If we can do so with full purpose of heart, then I am confident that He will reveal the truth of it to us. Can we all then agree that God will hear and answer that prayer if asked in all sincerity? I too love you and desire all that God hath to be yours through the eternities.

    May God bless.

  • Alfred Kings Bay, GA
    Sept. 9, 2011 10:36 p.m.


    "Since they are so willing to reject a mormon as POTUS, how about a quaker, baptist, luthern, catholic, menonite? To me, this is what the Constitution is trying to prevent, only one religion is good enough, condemn all others."

    Tell that to guys like Huckabee and his Baptist friends in the South. Apparently they don't possess copies of the US Constitution so they can read up on were no religious test is to be made regarding the office of the President of the United States.

  • vic Colorado Springs, CO
    Sept. 9, 2011 8:28 p.m.

    What is interesting about this and other so-called religious organizations is they are practicing the reverse of the establishment clause of the Constitution. You cannot have a differing religious viewpoint of what Christ is all about. They will only accept the dogma of their viewpoint of what Christianity is all about.

    Since they are so willing to reject a mormon as POTUS, how about a quaker, baptist, luthern, catholic, menonite? To me, this is what the Constitution is trying to prevent, only one religion is good enough, condemn all others.

  • 22ozn44ozglass Southern Utah, UT
    Sept. 9, 2011 6:14 p.m.


    You are misrepresenting the LDS 3rd article of faith. "We believe that THROUGH THE ATONEMENT OF CHRIST, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel" To truncate the 3rd article the way you did is chery picking out of it the words that you want. When read as a whole, the 3rd AOF is absolutely clear that without Christ's attonment NO ONE would be saved regardless of their faith and/or works.

    "for LDS doctrine to so blatantly disagree with Paul is prima facie evidence that LDS are not Christian"

    What are the specific points of LDS doctrine that disagree with the teachings of the Apostle Paul?

    29 Else what shall they do which are baptized bfor the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead? 1 Cor 15:29

    2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 2 Cor 12:2

    Paul taught key elements of LDS doctrine unique to the LDS

  • sharrona layton, UT
    Sept. 9, 2011 4:56 p.m.

    zoar63,No man hath seen God at anytime, except[JS] he hath born record of his Son].(John 1:19 JST)

    Exodus 24:9-11.Explained; Moses was with our ancestors, the assembly of Gods people in the wilderness, when the Angel spoke to him at Mount Sinai. And there Moses received life-giving words to pass on to us. Acts 7:38 NLT

    for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. Genesis 33:20. In the womb he grasped his brothers heel; as a man he struggled with God. He struggled with the ANGEL and overcame him;(Hosea 12:3-4). Google theophanies.

    immortal, Invisible, the only God,( 1Tim 1:17)

    The Law and the *Prophets were proclaimed until John.(Luke 16:16)The office of *prophet.
    In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son(Hebrews 1:1,2).

    VOR, persecuting Mormon's. Mormons often confuse persecuting with Christians telling Mormons the truth in love.I left the Church when I became a Christian,25 years ago.

  • Dixie Dan Saint George, UT
    Sept. 9, 2011 4:23 p.m.

    Utah Republicans will vote for any Republican regardless of their feelings towards the LDS Religion. Why they would choose to vote for a person who believes Mormons are not Christians is a mystery.

  • Mr. Bean Kings Bay, GA
    Sept. 9, 2011 3:39 p.m.

    @The Caravan Moves On:

    "I've been over this issue of "adding to the Bible" many times with friends over the years and it still completely baffles me as to why so many mainstream Christians have such a hard time believing that God, if He wants to do so, cannot add anything to the Bible."

    By admitting that God can add to the Bible would mean a confession as to the truthfulness of the BofM. Pastors of other faiths don't want to do that. It would mean they would lose their jobs.

  • The Vanka Provo, UT
    Sept. 9, 2011 3:10 p.m.

    Evangelical Christianity denies that LDS are "Christian" at least in part because the LDS 3rd Article of Faith explicitly says people are saved "by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the [LDS] Gospel".

    Such a doctrine that salvation comes through the "works of the law/Torah" is directly contrary to everything Paul wrote.

    As the writings of Paul (31.57% of the NT text) are the earliest of the Biblical canon, and cannot possibly be explained away by Mormon's doctrine of "the Great Apostasy", for LDS doctrine to so blatantly disagree with Paul is prima facie evidence that LDS are not Christian.

    Even if you cannot agree with them, you must at least try to understand where Evangelicals are coming from.

  • JesusisLord1 KAYSVILLE, UT
    Sept. 9, 2011 1:40 p.m.

    Crazy that Mormons consider themselves Christian...It's another gospel, not the gospel of Jesus Christ.

  • DRay Roy, UT
    Sept. 9, 2011 12:45 p.m.

    I know some "Christian" ministers of other denominations give a talk every year or so about what is wrong, in their estimation, with the Mormon or LDS or Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Maybe its a filler when they run out of positive things to say...at any rate, their discourses are often well-intended but come from false or incorrect information. Let each individual read the scriptures, pray, and decide for themselves. Do not depend soley upon what your minister has to say, for he is like the owner of Burger King saying what is wrong with McDonalds, he is bound to say it is not as right or good as what he is selling.

  • The Vanka Provo, UT
    Sept. 9, 2011 11:48 a.m.


    Once your Evangelical friends are leaders with official doctrinal responsibility, let me know.

    Until then, it is clear that LDS do not know other faiths, and this myth about LDS being the only religion that believes in, much less has, "modern revelation" merely illustrates the fact.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Sept. 9, 2011 7:45 a.m.


    It isn't "revelation", it is hearsay.

    Someone says that god spoke to them. They provide no proof, no recording, no video, they just say it.


    Run away. Run away very fast. Do not look back (or you might become a pillar of salt).

  • The Vanka Provo, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 10:13 p.m.


    You obviously have the wrong friends.

    So, when some unknown, common LDS person tells me people's blood actually, literally changes into the blood of the tribe of Israel when they are baptized into the Mormon church, I am supposed to believe that?

    If not, then why would you believe your "friends" instead of the leaders and theologians of other faiths?

  • O'really Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 8, 2011 9:55 p.m.

    Vanka, not sure you know what many Christian churches actually teach. I've had several Evangelical Christian friends tell me that revelation ended with the Bible and that there is no more need for apostles or prophets.

    Sharonna- Well yes back when John Taylor was alive people didn't know the scriptures or understand their doctrine about God. Infact, I'm not so sure things have changed much.

  • Elcapitan Ivins, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 9:55 p.m.

    Is this news....just another pastor trying to hold onto his parishoner. Professional Jealosy extends clear into the clergy. As if they were even qualified to offer this kind of counsel. Just another of many from the wolf packs that enter in attemp;ting to destroy the flock in various ways,

  • A voice of Reason Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 9:53 p.m.


    First, you missed the point of my comment. I wasn't actually asking why Joseph Smith was persecuted. I was showing the weakness of Vanka's claim. To say 'Joseph Smith wasn't fought with because he claimed to have plates' is an erroneous claim. Even most anti-Mormon's would agree with what I'm saying.

    It would be like another commenter saying 'Sharrona doesn't disagree with VOR.' Do you see the problem? That's the main point I made.

    Second, you quoted my persecution statement and tried to address it. I'm having a hard time understanding why anyone would focus on that point. Do you believe that persecuting Mormon's is okay?

    Third, did you actually read my comment on Page 2 before you started attacking me?

    VOR claims: One cannot be a believing Christian and be anti-LDS, as they fight their own Bible in doing so.

    VOR references: These people who call themselves Christian fight doctrines in the Bible, such as Genesis 32:30 & Exodus 33:11 (fyi, the first two scriptures I referenced).

    Reply: 'No on has seen God'

    I now look at this conversation and wonder- how is it possible that people call good evil and evil good?

  • zoar63 Mesa, AZ
    Sept. 8, 2011 9:23 p.m.

    "No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only who is at the Fathers side has made him known (John 1:18 NIV)."

    Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:
    And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.

    And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink. Ex 24:9-11

  • The Vanka Provo, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 8:54 p.m.

    A voice of Reason,

    Unfounded? Tell that to Pope John Paul II, to the Ecumenical Patriarchate (Bartholomew, or His Eminence Archbishop Demetrios in America), or to any number of Protestant theologians and leaders. You will find you are sadly mistaken.

    Why did they persecute Joseph Smith for saying that he saw God?

    If an inactive, seemingly uncommitted 14 year old Mormon told his Bishop or Stake President he had a personal visit from God and Jesus, don't you think their reaction would be interpreted as "persecution"?

    More importantly, none of your rhetorical questions make a single valid point.

    With whom do you speak in other faiths? Common members, or the top leaders? Thinking you "know" other faiths based on speaking to common members is as silly as people claiming they "know" LDS doctrine from talking with common members (70% of whom are "inactive" worldwide).

    Wikipedia? Are you seriously going to invoke that as a source? And then backpeddle, claiming it is a matter of "emphasis"?

    My friend, with all due respect (if any), you have completely proven my point. You (and most LDS) do NOT understand other faiths. Period.

  • sharrona layton, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 7:55 p.m.

    A voice of Reason, So why is it that people would persecute Joseph Smith for saying that he saw God? Contradictions,
    Joseph Smith, Lectures on Faith, Q. What is the Father? A. He is a personage of glory and of power. (5:2.).

    Brigham Young (JOD v 1 p 49-50): "The Lord fills the immensity of space. What saith the Psalmist[139:7-10]? Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence.

    God[is]spirit(pneuma,)(John 4:24 Greek N.T.)

    No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only who is at the Fathers side has made him known (John 1:18 NIV).

    Moses saw Him who is invisible (Hebrews 11:27) Moses saw Gods shekinah glory.

    A Voice,Why is it that you are frequently criticizing the LDS Church on here?
    John Taylor, What! are Christians ignorant? Yes.as ignorant of the things of God as a brute beast (JoD v,6 p.25). One of many Mormon comments on Christians.

  • @Charles the greater outdoors, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 7:36 p.m.

    @Pasta: maybe you should READ the article! The pastor said these things years ago. Bachmann is new to this church. She will speak for herself and she's not claiming that the pastor is speaking for her.

    btw, you don't speak of the LDS church either as you are often of the mind to do on here.


    Anyone know where LDS Lib went? I thought for sure he'd back up his rhetoric when asked to do so.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 7:21 p.m.

    I was under the impression there was supposed to be something offensive to Mormons? Don't we say similar things in reverse about sects that we think are wayward and don't have the full gospel of Jesus Christ? He didn't say anything unkind, he just disagreed. I'm fine with that.

  • A voice of Reason Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 6:25 p.m.

    Vanka, your points against Andermart are entirely unfounded.

    According to your post, these other religions supposedly believe in ongoing revelation... right?

    So why is it that people who believed in ongoing revelation would persecute Joseph Smith for saying that he saw God?

    Why is it that even to this day, every time I personally speak with someone of another 'Christian' faith, I meet hostility when referencing these very specific beliefs.

    Why is it that so many other 'Christians' believe that no other book besides the Bible could have "God's word"?

    Why is it that you are frequently criticizing the LDS Church on here?

    Andermart is absolutely not the one who is not understanding other religions here. Consider this- when each time you comment about the LDS Church, so many members on these comment sections take issue with your interpretation of our beliefs? You claimed that Andermart does not understand other beliefs. But this actually only shows that it is you who do not understand us.

    Look up "revelation" on wikipedia. While there are certainly other religions that do support the idea. No other religion places as much emphasis on direct, 'real' or 'person to person' as the LDS Church.

  • The Rabbit (in Spanish) Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 4:32 p.m.

    And THAT ladies and gentlemen is what makes this country wonderful. Everyone doesn't have to agree.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Sept. 8, 2011 1:58 p.m.

    The fact of the matter is that her pastors attack on Mormonism is routed in a disagreement with it religiously. We should welcome such expressions. Yes, in an ideal world we could get people to see the truth of our religion, but that will not happen with everyone.

    Where that does not happen what we want is for people to admit that their disagreements with us are rooted in theological issues. When people admit to disagreement on theology things work. The problem is when they try to frame what is really theological disagreements in other terms.

    The fact that the pastor of a Church disagrees with the religion of a different Church is hardly news, and clearly not grounds to attack someone for being a member of that Church.

  • Pasta Cedar City, Ut
    Sept. 8, 2011 1:07 p.m.

    Why can't Bachmann speak for herself? I don't have my bishop speak my opinion on other churches.

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 1:01 p.m.

    Ultra conservatives are anti Mormon because most of them are very conservative Christians who have an interpretation of the Bible that emphasizes the differences among various religions rather than the similarities.

    These ultra conservatives do the same thing when it comes to discussing what it means to be an American. Most of them believe that they are Americans without a hyphen...although the only Americans without a hyphen are native Americans.

    Despite all their repeated attempts to vilify Mormons as non christian, Mormons, at least those in Utah, will continue to vote for them if they are on a national ticket. Amazing!

  • suzyk#1 Mount Pleasant, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 12:54 p.m.

    There will always be questions and comments made about our Church because they lack true understanding and knowledge of the Truth. Hopefully someday those questions will be answered by an active member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and they too will experience the peace and surety that it is TRUE.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 12:47 p.m.

    Bravo, Pastor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Bells42 NEW HAVEN, CT
    Sept. 8, 2011 11:14 a.m.

    Chachi said...........Also, I think it's a bit funny that the Deseret News apparently feels it necessary to explain to its audience that Mormons believe in the Book of Mormon, but not to explain that "LDS," "Mormon," and "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" refer to the same thing. Is there any logic guiding this writing?

    Chachi, the name of the church is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. "Mormon" is a nickname used mostly by non-members. Most members use Latter Day Saint or LDS to refer to the church. Non-members use "Mormon" when referring to the official church but also to the un-recognized Fundamentalist group that people confuse as being a part of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. (They are NOT.) There is nothing funny or unusual about explaining that LDS believe in both the Bible and the Book of Mormon since many people do not know that.

  • 22ozn44ozglass Southern Utah, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 10:52 a.m.


    "When President Obama found out what his pastor was saying, and had been saying, President Obama (while not renouncing the man himself) denounced and renounced what his pastor was saying and had said, and left the congregation"

    It is laughable to buy into the notion that Obama was not aware of the hate, racial discord and hatred for the US that Wright was preaching. By Obama's own words, Wright was his spiritual mentor. Then you must include the radical messages of racial discord and hate regularly preached by Michael Pfleger as well.

    Pfleger and Wright have been preaching racial hatred from the first day they stepped up to the pulpit at Trinity United Church, and this has been proven to all who care to learn the truth about these two radicals who use religion to stir racial discord and unrest.

    Everything about Obama's leaving Wright's Trinity United congregation can be summed up in two words -political expediency. Wright even called Obama out for leaving Trinity United, and Wright truthfully and accurately described Obama's actions as political posturing.

    You can be the most hard core Obama fan if you want to, but it is time that people hold Obama accountable.

    Sept. 8, 2011 10:40 a.m.

    I thought it was interesting that the Pastor talked about the LDS faith adding to the gospel of Jesus Christ AND (at the same time) claimed that the tenets subscribed to by the LDS faith were watered-down. So did they ADD something (or many things)? Or, did they water down His gospel? From what I know about the Mormon faith, they have added a whole lot. But, I also know that they believe in continuing revelation, so what many may consider to be "added" they (Mormons) consider to be "explained" or "restored" from what has been lost in translation over many years.

  • scojos Draper, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 10:26 a.m.

    The fact that the Deseret News is COMPLETELY dominated by the LDS Church should, in itself, disqualify it as an impartial news outlet.If LDS doctrine is "pure truth" what happened to the "pure truth" in re the blacks and polygamy. How come the LDS leaders are now "downsizing" the Book Of Abraham and it's impact in the formation of the doctrines of the Mormon religion?Because they are now of the opinion that the BOA is not "pure truth" and it was not a translation of the word of God or Abraham. Their progression to this stance went like this 1) The papyri is lost and no one can disprove Joseph Smith's translation 2)The papyri has been found and now we'll prove that Joseph Smith has really translated the"word" of God 3) The papyri was found to contain nothing about Abraham; ergo "there were other scrolls that Joseph Smith used to do the translation 4)The Egyptian facimiles found in the BOA were the same symbols found in the recently (1966) discovered scrolls; ergo " The BOA was not an important facet of the LDS religion".
    If you don't believe me LOOK IT UP!

  • Vanka Provo, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 10:05 a.m.


    I did not miss your point at all.

    You wrote:

    "But when so many of these faiths, by their own definitions, deny the continuation of revelation from their Heavenly Father,"

    To what faiths are you referring?

    Catholicism does not deny continuation of revelation from Heavenly Father. Neither does Orthodox Christianity. Most Protestant faiths I have studied do not deny continual revelation, either. Most Islamic sects does not deny continual revelation.

    I don't think you truly understand other faiths. That, in itself, is a problem.

    Sept. 8, 2011 9:42 a.m.

    And with a name like "The Eagle Brooks Church", you just know IT HAS to be true........NOT

  • grandmagreat Lake Havasu City, AZ
    Sept. 8, 2011 8:35 a.m.

    I am not in Utah, and was not born in Utah. However, many of my ancestors were killed because of their religious affiliation with LDS church. They were driven out of a beautiful city they built and crossed this country to an area where there were was no one to persecute them. They built a beautiful State, and then let anyone who wanted to enter. To every one who would think that because a candidate for president, is a "mormon" would therefore make a bad President. I believe there are good and and bad in all people, regardless of the religious affiliation. I grew up in Nevada and had many friends that were of various faiths, we did not make exception because we did not go to the same church. I have been taught all my life, that we have Freedom of religion in this his country, as well as freedom of the press.

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    Sept. 8, 2011 8:22 a.m.

    wow. what a radical statement toward LDS from a protestant minister. NOT !

    Seriously, this was news-worthy ? It's so commonplace and repeated in America today that it's exactly what most people have heard about the LDS church doctrines.

  • Andermart Pullman, WA
    Sept. 8, 2011 7:57 a.m.

    @ Vanka:

    You miss my point. There is so much good in so many faiths, and in their members, that I cannot even begin to enumerate them all. That is not the issue.

    But when so many of these faiths, by their own definitions, deny the continuation of revelation from their Heavenly Father, this in itself severs them from the brooklet of living water, Jesus Christ, and leaves them but to splash in the sitting pool of thousands of years gone by. As members of the Church of Jesus Christ, we hallow, revere and use the Holy Bible, but we do not dam the stream that feeds that reservoir.

    The dilution Ms. Bachmann's good pastor alludes to is the influx of fresh, clean, pure living water ever flowing in from the well of life. We should all welcome the kindness and concern of The Water Giver who takes an interest in our lives today, as He did anciently, and who has provided a way, that all His children may be washed clean. We would all do well to seek it, and to be refreshed by it.

  • Tanner Manor DE BEQUE, CO
    Sept. 8, 2011 7:53 a.m.

    I'm so grateful that we live in a free country where we are free to choose whatever religion we choose to participate in. The Lord also gave all of us our freedom to choose. I agree that Utah is a Republican state, just as there are many other states in this country that are mostly Democrat. For so many years I followed what my parents political views were, just as most young people and even older people for that matter do still. I challenge all of the American people to investigate for themselves all of the candidates, their principles, their values, their record and most importantly what they can do to HELP this country! Teach your children and grandchildren to do the same. Then go to the polls and vote what your heart and soul.

  • LoveLife Riverton, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 7:39 a.m.

    The difference with Jeremiah Wright is that he preached anti-America garbage.

    Wright: "America's chickens are coming home to roost" following the 9-11 attacks

    "then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no..."(please go find the rest, as I can't type it here).

    Do I care if a potential president's pastor doesn't agree with LDS doctrine? No, because if he agreed he'd be LDS.

    Do I care that a potential president's pastor for over 20 years, described as a family member, spewed all this anti-American rhetoric? Yes, because Wright made it political. Obama only left the church when he started getting heat for it and it was making him look bad.

  • HateSinsNotZinas Wailuku, HI
    Sept. 8, 2011 7:38 a.m.

    You mess with my religious beliefs you are not a friend at all..is like you love Jesus but hate His beliefs

  • Furry1993 Clearfield, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 7:31 a.m.

    To Esquire | 6:27 a.m. Sept. 8, 2011
    Springville, UT
    The right wing was making a stink about Obama's pastor. Isn't it fair to do the same for one of their own?


    Exactly right. AND I would point out that there's a difference between Bachmann and President Obama. When President Obama found out what his pastor was saying, and had been saying, President Obama (while not renouncing the man himself) denounced and renounced what his pastor was saying and had said, and left the congregation. Bachmann, on the other hand, joined her current congregation AFTER her pastor had made his remarks, thereby ratifying them by affiliating herself with him and his congregation. Only one of the two -- Bachmann -- has shown approval for what the pastor said, and should be held to account for that fact

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 6:27 a.m.

    The right wing was making a stink about Obama's pastor. Isn't it fair to do the same for one of their own?

    Sept. 8, 2011 1:07 a.m.

    The pastor in question should learn the word "obfuscation." What he really means is the additional Mormon theology, history, and organizational structure "obfuscates" what he considers to be the truth. The fuel analogy is fallacious logic. Adding alcohol, oxidizers or stabilizers actually makes gasoline burn cooler, provide smoother and greater power, and prevents premature wear of the engine. But that's the sort of analogy you'd expect from somebody who doesn't really understand either Christianity or Mormonism, and there's a lot of that in both camps.

  • joy Logan, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 11:48 p.m.

    At least when I go to church I don't have to worry about someone preaching about another religion. We are taught the gospel of Jesus Christ. But having served a mission with my husband basically people change churches because this pastor is nicer or better than another one and pastors preach against other churches to keep his congregation otherwise his paycheck gets smaller. It's all about money but the LDS Bishops hold regular jobs and volunteer their time to the church as do all those holding positions in the church.
    How can you preach tolerance and loving thy neighbor when you are verbally abusing anothers? What kind of example is that? I will not make a decision on someone religion and as yet it too early for me to decide. We have yet to see their true colors.
    Perry concerns me with his history of being a campaign manager in Texas for Al Gore. Talk about flip flop. Just sayin.

  • moniker lewinsky Taylorsville, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 10:59 p.m.

    Finally a reason for Michele Bachman's Utah supporters to disapprove.

  • Disco Vega MoTown, CA
    Sept. 7, 2011 10:42 p.m.

    If this is what Bachmann holds to be true, (what this so-called pastor professes) then that should be one good reason not to vote for her...the tolerance of her and her pastor are obviously shorted sighted, immature and petty. Any person who has these character traits deserves nobody's respect or support. The Mormons have done nothing but help mankind become better for 150 years; anybody that belittles that philosophy should be eschewed. It appears to me that all those holy Christians love and respect the Mormons and have nothing but praise for them when they need their money and commitment to pass certain legislation, oh how the praise flows then, but when that support is no longer needed, all those loving Christians go right back to criticizing the Mormons and their faithI think the whole Christian thing is a pathetic faƧade.

  • JasonH84 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 10:40 p.m.

    This is one of the worst newspaper articles I've read in years. Other than stirring up interest from 150+ readers enough to comment/complain, this has absolutely no newsworthiness of any kind. The only reason why I would think such an article could find its way onto a Utah newspaper would be if the writer and editor assume that all congregants everywhere follow their religious leaders to a tee, even so much as to speak for them. Well I hate to break it to you, but it's not the case, yes, even among Mormons. Unless Bachmann has said that her pastor speaks her mind and will, don't put this out there. Your readers are not that stupid. Please give us something better than this.

  • fatcaesar Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 7, 2011 9:54 p.m.

    To say that to make the claim that God can no longer communicate with his modern day children is silly. It says in Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing except he communicate through his prophet. Why wouldn't God not give guidance to his children in modern days. Remember, many years have passed between the time Christ was on the earth and now. Down through the ages, ancinet doctrines were lost. There was a need to restore these ancient doctrines that were changed over time. Why is it so hard to believe that Christ would not restore these truths before the second coming. It all hinges on whether Joseph Smith really talked to God. If he did that is the most important communication ever in modern times. I know that he did and beg you to read the Book of Mormon to know of its truthfulness.

  • DR Hall Clearfield, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 9:46 p.m.

    This is the common approach is if you don't know about some then listen for about 5 minutes to anybody then tal about it as though you are an expert and add your own guesses about it as though that was total truth! Every body thought the world was flat until some one with an open mind and integrity went sailing and brought back the truth; now the world isn't so flat anymore. If candidates want to know some thing about an idea or an item then go to the source and listen. That does not mean you believe every thing you heard but at least you went to a reliable source and listened. She could talk to some Mormon Missionaries or to some local LDS members and listen to them. Does not mean she has to become a member, but become informed.

  • Sandra N GLENDALE, AZ
    Sept. 7, 2011 9:27 p.m.

    Diluted? The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints takes the pollution out, and what is left is the pure living water of Jesus Christ, so simple a child can understand. :-)

  • oregonortho MEDFORD, OR
    Sept. 7, 2011 8:47 p.m.

    This is not news. Maybe we should find our what Romney's and Huntsman's Stake President thinks about Evangelical Christians. Come on now. Really?

  • nanniehu Wendover, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 6:04 p.m.

    Wow, so many have read so much into this article! I'm amazed at the attack speech here. Not surprised though that the same ID's show up over and over again. Hurray to those who found a positive way to approach this article! Especially LDSareChristians in Anchorage.

  • Michael H. Chino, CA
    Sept. 7, 2011 5:54 p.m.

    There is hardly anything surprising or controversial about this preacher's comments. It is their mantra. What he preaches is not necessarily what Bachmann believes or disseminates. No, I do not support her, but this is more like a tempest in a teapot, or much ado about nothing. And I am a life-long, active member. Neither Romney nor Huntsmen have shown me anything yet in this campaign, I am sad to say.

  • The Caravan Moves On Enid, OK
    Sept. 7, 2011 5:41 p.m.

    I read that some posters on here find it offensive that the LDS church claims to be the only 100% true church.

    And yet, can anyone imagine Jesus Christ coming down from Heaven and saying "I will teach you the words and teachings of God! Well, that is unless you believe differently, then, hey, that's cool with me, ya know, because what you believe is true even if it differs from what God and I say."

    Ridiculous, isn't it?

    Based on the depiction of events in the Bible, that would be utter nonsense. Yes, Christ was both loving and kind to the n-th degree, but that does NOT mean that He was wishy-washy or mealy-mouthed about what was true and Godly and what was not.

    And, even if one did not believe 100% in the Bible, it is simply foolish to believe that God must yield to man and not man who must yield to God. It frustrates and dissapoints me tremendously how many posters on DesNews stories involving religion believe that if they believe something it must be true.

    I believe what I believe because God told me it is true, not because I like it.

  • JonathanPDX Portland, Oregon
    Sept. 7, 2011 5:01 p.m.

    Religion has no place in politics, and politics has no place in religion, but the media just can't seem to keep the two separated.

    As for senior pastor Bob Merritt's evaluation of Mormonism, he fails to point out exactly what part of the Gospel the Mormons practice that has been diluted. If, as the Savior say, "ye shall know them by their fruits," I would be willing any day to compare apples and oranges between his church's version of the Gospel and that of the LDS Church and see which truly is more fruitful.

  • The Caravan Moves On Enid, OK
    Sept. 7, 2011 4:58 p.m.

    @ Moracle | 2:48 a.m. Sept. 7, 2011 Blackshear, GA

    Wow! You absolutely nailed it!

    My guess is hardly 1 in 10 paid clergymen would be willing to adopt a new paid profession if they found out the truth of the Book of Mormon, i.e., I suspect most of them would not teach the words of Christ if they weren't paid for it.


  • sharrona layton, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 4:37 p.m.

    A voice of Reason, Yet so many will deny these truths in the bible in order to fight God's true church.
    You are a priest forever, According to the order of Melchizedek, who, in the days of His flesh(Jesus), when He had offered up prayers and supplications, with vehement cries and tears to Him who was able to save Him from death, and was heard because of His godly fear(Hebrews 5:6,7).In context Jesus.

    Clark Hippo said, For example, in all the years I've been LDS I have yet to read or hear a General Conference talk or Ensign article condemning the Catholic, Methodist or Baptist Churches???

    The mocking of non-Mormon preachers caused so much criticism against the Mormon Church that Mormon leaders determined that now God wanted this sacred portion of the ceremony removed.
    Therefore on April 10,1990, this dialog as well as any hints of ridicule of preachers was eliminated.

    Although Mormon leaders are trying to present a positive image to the public Yet, all their creeds were an abomination in his sight, that their professors were corrupt(JS History 1:19)

  • dotp POTEAU, OK
    Sept. 7, 2011 3:53 p.m.

    Just a note: Mrs. Bachmann herself did not say this, her pastor did. He is entitled to his opinion. It doesn't necessarily make his opinion correct. The great thing about America, and interestingly the Gospel of Jesus Christ, is that we have FREE AGENCY. We are free to think as we choose. Right or wrong, win or lose. Our only limitation is us -- at least for the moment. We are rapidly losing those freedoms we hold dear and we should stick together and stick to the topic of those freedoms and stop trying to out-religious one another. How about we let our brothers and sisters think and believe what they want to so long as they don't push their beliefs off on others without invitation. If someone asks me a question about the church, I will answer them. When they are finished with the topic, I move on. They are not obligated to believe as I do and their not doing so does not change MY beliefs. What a boring world it would be if we all followed the same thinking. I am a Latter Day Saint. If that bothers you, move on.

  • MightyTimbo WILLIAMSON, NY
    Sept. 7, 2011 3:32 p.m.

    In fairness the pastor represented the Christian belief accurately while the article misrepresented the Mormon belief stating that Mormons hold the Bible to be the Word of God, when in fact they believe it to be missing many "Plain and Precious truths" and that changes have been introduced to the bible over time.

    That is intentionally meant to be deceptive in order to place mormons on an equal footing with Christians. When in reality Mormons do not hold the Bible we have today in the same regard as the BOM, rather "The Bible as it was in it's original form". However, that caveat is never provided.

    So tell me, was it the Christian Pastor, or the Mormon author of the article who was truly misrepresenting the Mormon church?

  • A voice of Reason Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 3:31 p.m.


    Sorry, the accurate reference is Lev. 27:30-34

  • Newbie South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 3:08 p.m.

    However, if a fuel additive is used in conjuction with the petroleum, you actually increase the performance of the engine. The Book of Mormon does not take place of the Bible, but is considered an addition to it to help explain things more clearly.

  • chinookdoctor PASADENA, CA
    Sept. 7, 2011 2:36 p.m.

    It's kinda funny, chachi tries to give writing lessons, but apparently didn't read the article. The pastor was identified, clearly by first name and the writer indicated his position. These little tricks to attack writers because they criticize the beloved conservative GOP folks in this presidential race are too common in this forum. Why do so many LDS people support the Tea Party and their insane candidates? They do not like our religion and they do not like us, period! If you put Tea Party candidates in a room and asked them to speak candidly about the church, I have no doubt that they would say shockingly prejudiced things. The same things that they say openly about other groups that they don't like. Today they hate immigrants, homosexuals, and welfare moms, tomorrow they'll hate Mormons, minorities and people who don't wave US flags from their car windows at all times. They hate this country and the people in it, when are the conservatives in the church who defend these candidates going to wake up? Probably after you all elect more of them and they continue to dismantle the Constitution, our civil liberties, and our nation.

  • Montana Mormon Miles City, MT
    Sept. 7, 2011 1:55 p.m.

    So are we supposed to care what Bachmann's pastor thinks of Mormonism? Has he said anything that hasn't already been said by a bazillion other evangelicals? OK, he made an analogy of how he believes that Mormonism dilutes the gasoline we put in our spiritual gas tanks. Fine, if he wants to think that my belief in the Book of Mormon dilutes my understanding and belief of the Bible, I won't lose any sleep over that opinion. And I'm sure he won't lose any sleep when I tell him that I respectfully disagree with his opinion. I believe that my belief in the Book of Mormon enriches my belief in and understanding of the Bible. The Book of Mormon is a spiritual octane booster.

  • ChristianinCali SACRAMENTO, CA
    Sept. 7, 2011 1:49 p.m.

    I think the article was respectful,fair, and honest. Mormonism and Christianity have vast, irreconcilable differences,both can't be true.

  • Kimball Bakersfield, CA
    Sept. 7, 2011 1:47 p.m.

    I have always heard that you should try to never bring up religion or politics. I can see why. However, some criticism of a persons religion never really hurt anything. Maybe Michelle's pastor would like to know what Mormons think of his brand of religion. We respect his religion, his freedom of opinion and speech and would hope that he will offer the same courtesy.

  • friedeggonAZstreets Glendale, AZ
    Sept. 7, 2011 1:35 p.m.

    And so it begins...

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 1:17 p.m.

    'Obama stated clearly that he could never denounce the man who married him and who baptized his children.' - @Charles | 12:54 p.m. Sept. 7, 2011


  • seeswater Vernal, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 1:00 p.m.

    As Obama showed us in the last election, just because your minister preaches it from the pulpit, doesn't mean that's what you yourself believe. We have no idea what Mrs. Bachmann believes until she actually comes out and says what she believes.

  • @Charles the greater outdoors, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 12:54 p.m.

    Hey Dukie: Which Baptist group are you referring to? There are so many different ones. I actually have a Baptist neighbor who dropped off their pamphlet talking about how they were the church from the time of Christ. It was just a speech from some dude but until that point, I had never heard the Baptist claim that they have authority from Christ.

    I did look into it back then and found that not many Baptist groups claim that any longer. It's been disputed by many so in my opinion it holds no water.


    Some folks need to read the article more closely. Bachmann just joined this church. The pastor gave his speech in 2007. She hasn't sat in this church for years like some are trying to state like Obama did with Wright. She's innocent in this.

    For the poster who claimed Obama denounced Rev. Wright, nothing could be further from the truth. Obama stated clearly that he could never denounce the man who married him and who baptized his children.

  • MarieDevine Divine-Way Kansas City, MO
    Sept. 7, 2011 12:31 p.m.

    Simple reading the Ten Commandments and Leviticus 23 and 26 show Christianitiy is a watered down religion. The minister who ignores God's commanded 7th day Sabbath and God's commanded Holy Days of Rest, (Not to be changed-Deut. 4:2)should not block another church from saving souls. Jesus said to live by EVERY word out of the mouth of God. Leviticus 23 and 26 give God's other SABBATHS and terrors for not following them.

    It is hard to read the Doctrines and Covenants of the Church of Jesus Christ and not fear the words of Jesus revealing more truth and light, the fulness of the Gospel. The scriptures specifically say it is restoring what was lost due to unrighteousness. Malachi 4 sends another prophet.

    LDS restored two treasuries and the storehouse mentioned in scripture, and restored the priesthood and order OF THE CHURCH. The Consecrations are God establishing His rewards as He said. We give Him our property; He owns it and makes us stewards of that property or other and HE provides for the needs of our stewardship. WE block the Kingdom of God on earth by ignoring Doctrines and Covenants and God through Joseph Smith Jr.

  • Linus Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 12:05 p.m.

    Let us suppose that one witnesses the commission of a crime, and provides testimony of all he knows.

    Now suppose another witnessed the event from a different angle and provided testimony of all he knows. Suppose he can provide additional detail.

    Would you say that witness #2 is "diluting" the testimony of witness #1?
    Would you say that conviction becomes impossible (doesn't work) because of the additions provided by witness #2?

    Silly, silly argument. Perhaps Michelle's pastor should actually read the testimony added in the second witness.

  • ? SLC, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 11:48 a.m.

    One thing all candidates need to consider regardless of whether they personally agree with the beliefs in the LDS church or not is how they plan to represent this small group of people within the United States and other groups of people within this country?

    Would any of these candidates deny my right to worhsip as I so choose?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 7, 2011 11:42 a.m.

    Andre - the list of dishonored republicans is just as long and really doesn't prove anything other than both Republicans and Democrats are human and subject to all the problems that brings.

    As to the "true" church.... perhaps the LDS is the "true" church, but that doesn't discount that other churches have a great deal of truth inside them as well, and that the idea that their members are any less faithfull becuase of their membership is boarderline vanity and pride.

    At the end of the day, it doesn't matter which building you attend church in if what you learned there is not reflected in your behaviour and how you treat your fellow travelers. Membership means nothing without meaningful actions attached.

    Lets try a little less "my team is better than your team" and a little more practicing what we preach.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 11:39 a.m.

    Utah state motto:

    Our Jesus is better than your Jesus.

    I guess some just get upset when others play the same game.

  • Mel50 Nashville, TN
    Sept. 7, 2011 11:38 a.m.

    Utes @ 10:45 - Thank you for stating the point I was trying to form in my mind, in order to comment on the "false church" remarks. Any church that teaches faith in God and acceptance of Jesus Christ as Savior in order to attain eternal life, is teaching truth. Our church is indeed the "true and living church" because we claim divine authority and the keys of the Priesthood, and operate under the leadership of prophets and apostles, and believe in continuing revelation.

    I was not able to serve a full-time mission, but I did serve a stake mission and never once, in our training, were we instructed to find out what church a person attended and point out why that church is wrong, and hope they would accept our church by default. I can't imagine an approach like that would ever be successful.

  • Gregg Weber SEATTLE, WA
    Sept. 7, 2011 11:34 a.m.

    And when you take a car and put sugar and other things in the gas tank so that it doesn't work what do you do?

    You find the Owner and see if He wants it repaired or replaced.

    The problems with this sentence are the definition of "repair", "replace" and both meanings of "restored". I shall use "replaired" for "fixed" as in a "restored vintage car"; and "replaced" as in a modern made Springfield replacing one that is so corrupted by termites and rust that the Owner must start over again and "restore" it to as it originally was.

    To repair the car with the same people who broke it, or another group who just claimed ownership is one thing. But to reboot, restart, replace or restore with another new made Springfield is definately different.

    If the "falling away" didn't already occure, when in the future will it and how will it look?

  • megen Truth or Consequences, NM
    Sept. 7, 2011 11:28 a.m.

    Christian churches have a big problem with the teachings found in Gospel Principles chapter 47. Christians consider it heresy to think that men will become gods. Past editions of Gospel Principles go as far as to say that exalted man will have sprit children that will have the same relationship with their exalted-man father as we have with our Heavenly Father. All Christian denominations consider this blasphemy. I think that is the main reason Christian denominations "attack" LDS beliefs.

    One thing to consider- is pointing out the differences between mormonism and Biblical Christianity reallyb "attacking"?

  • Old Scarecrow Brigham City, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 11:14 a.m.

    Vanka wrote at 9:15 a.m.:
    "The LDS people are known for their myopia and biased view of the world whereby everything LDS is praised and everything non-LDS is denigrated."

    There's too much truth in the last sentence, but not in the last phrase: " . . . everything non-LDS is denigrated." LDS music is filled with non-LDS composers, as well as LDS. The Choir performs music every Sunday from non-LDS sources. The art used by the Church in their buildings and publications, movies, etc., is often by non-LDS artists, and the scultures we revere are sometimes from non-LDS people. Christian writers like C.S. Lewis are frequently admired and studied by LDS readers, and history that is fair to the LDS Church is written by non-LDS as well as LDS authors.

    LDS people are sometimes myopic (as are most groups of varied people taken as a whole), and often we are so insulated we don't realize how our words may sound to others. But few have any intent to denigrate.

    I understand your testimony, Vanka, and I respect it, but you are capable of being more fair than this.

  • dobberdobber Ivins, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 11:06 a.m.

    Actually the gasoline car fuel is a great analogy he just interprets it incorrectly. Gasoline burning in cars puts out a lot of pollution, just look at the Salt Lake Valley much of the year. What the LDS church doctrine does is not dilute the gasoline but purify the fuel to a non-polluting energy source.

  • dhsalum Saint George, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 11:04 a.m.

    People like Merritt always like to throw in stats after negative comments to make it seem like they actually understand LDS faith. "SEE, I did research.." but you've never actually read the BoM so how can you say its diluting the Word.

  • Moracle Blackshear, GA
    Sept. 7, 2011 10:58 a.m.

    @ ClarkHippo

    I'm afraid you missed the whole point.

    I was referring to the apparent opposition to "priestcraft", or preaching for wages, that was evident in these verses; which other pastors may find offensive, and view as a threat to their livlihood, were it to catch on in their congregations.

    I was presenting that as a possible reason for their opposition to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

    Sorry you misunderstood. It wasn't the sentencing to death for killing Gideon that I was referring to (in fact, that wasn't even in the scriptures I referenced).

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 10:54 a.m.


    "Every time you tell a non-member or prospective member "I know MY Church is the True Church", you're telling them "I know YOUR Church is a False Church"."


    The official doctrine is "only true and living" church (D&C 1:30). Note the "and living" part. That means it is guided by revelation, a prophet, and the authority given by the Savior. I don't know of any other Christian church that even makes the claim to be guided by revelation and prophets. So, to claim that the LDS Church is the "only true and living" church is making a claim that no other Christian church even wants to claim. So, technically, it shouldn't be considered offensive, since the LDS Church is the only one making the claim.

    To say that the LDS Church is the "only true" church while leaving out the "and living" part is leaving out the full claim - only true AND living. Therefore, it does not mean that other churches are false, but that they are not "living" - meaning they are not guided by prophets and revelation. It doesn't mean that they don't have truth - they do - and LDS leaders acknowledge that.

  • Max Jamison Lehi, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 10:53 a.m.

    I would like to suggest an analogy, flawed thought it might be: Orange juice.

    First of all, there is pure, unadulterated 100% orange juice. This could be compared to original Christianity. If you leave it in the sun for any length of time, it goes bad and eventually separates into various liquids and solids. After some time, foreign bacteria and mold get into the mix and corrupt it. This is what Mormons would call the great apostasy. Now if some geniuses add grapefruit, tangerine, and nectarine juice, some left over orange concentrate, throwing in some pineapple, vitamins and minerals for good measure, they can create an orange cocktail, but it's just not real orange juice. This is equivalent to the reformation.

    Now what would happen if you went into a grove of trees and found some fresh oranges, and used them to make brand new, unadulterated 100% orange juice? Then you start giving it away. Do you think that people selling the remains of the original juice, or even orange cocktail might be just a tad jealous? Do you think that they might try to misrepresent your pure orange juice? True orange juice lovers will find your product anyway....

  • sanpaco Sandy, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 10:11 a.m.

    I'm glad to see that I'm not alone in thinking this article is a bit of a stretch to try and stir up some religious controversy about Bachmann. What the pastor said is a perfect example of someone respectfully disagreeing with another religion. We all think our religion is right and everyone else's is wrong otherwise we would all belong to the same church. It is a far cry from say Obama's pastor saying all white people are evil, or Huckabee basing his entire presidential campaign on his claim that Mormons are "bad for America".

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Sept. 7, 2011 10:07 a.m.

    I didn't think this pastor said anything offensive. If there is no controversy, what is the point of this article?

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Sept. 7, 2011 9:44 a.m.

    Beliefs are not the real issue for the anti-Mormon clergy. It's dollars. Mormon ministers are unpaid. The clergy has a vested interest in keeping Mormonism down.

  • bored Lindon, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 9:44 a.m.

    Either way you look at it, it's still good exposure and will make more people want to learn more.

  • regis Murray, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 9:36 a.m.

    The pastor is correct. For a car to run properly it needs a "pure" source of power. Of course, the Mormons believe just the opposite of the pastor, i.e., that the pure word of God was restored to Joseph Smith, and that it's the other churches which are running on something contaminated.

  • JoeBlow Miami Area, Fl
    Sept. 7, 2011 9:21 a.m.

    "If he didn't, then the Mormons deserves all the ridicule and criticisms for sounding arrogant. "

    Well, If I were going to start a religion, that is pretty much what I would say.

    So, either you believe JS or you dont. But, he certainly could have had a reason to say that, whether or not it was true.

    So, you have to take that into account.

  • Vanka Provo, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 9:15 a.m.


    I have "drunk at the spring itself" - the Book of Mormon, and I found it far less refreshing and more "stale" than anything any other religion preaches from.

    But a "testimony" like mine is not likely to get passed the DN Editorial Staff, even though your comment is a blatant attack on other religions as being "stagnant".

    The LDS people are known for their myopia and biased view of the world whereby everything LDS is praised and everything non-LDS is denigrated.

  • hackbart53 Tulsa, OK
    Sept. 7, 2011 9:01 a.m.

    Pretty much ALL Pastors / Clergy feel the same way about Mormon beliefs so why should we care about what Bachmann's Pastor feels?.....remember, it's publicity - free publicity. Be grateful that news organizations are all over this stuff this election cycle and enjoy the ride.

  • Vanka Provo, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 9:00 a.m.


    In all my years of attending LDS meetings - in the trenches where the real opinions are expressed - I have yet to sit through a block of meetings where an "anti-" comment against another religion was NOT made.

    It is disingenuous to claim the LDS Church does not preach against other religions. That is just not true. The official LDS Scriptures not only contain horrible attacks on all other religions, and Conference talks such as Holland's attack on Trinitarian theology a few years ago, but the common LDS member is involved in almost weekly "bashing" of other religions in testimony meetings, Gospel Doctrine lessons, and Priesthood and RS discussions.

    Just last Sunday a woman bore her testimony expressing thanks that she has found "the only true Church", and expressed sorrow for all those people in other Churches who were still "floundering in darkness". Then the HP Group Leader led a discussion of how silly are the doctrines of "saved by faith/grace" in other Churches, one of which he mentioned by name as his former Church.

    Do LDS recognize the testimonies of "former," "apostate" Mormons? Then why do you accept the testimonies of "apostates" from other churches?

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 8:52 a.m.

    @Andermart 8:44

    Excellent point! Could not have said it better myself.

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 8:48 a.m.

    @Bro.D 7:38

    You said - "I think what upsets Mormons is the fact the we wholeheartedly believe in and practice Article of Faith #11 but other religions don't."

    Sorry, but I disagree with this comment. Bachmann's pastor is not trying to outlaw the LDS Church, nor are most other pastors and ministers. They may criticize us or even condemn us, but that's hardly the same thing.

    @RanchHand 7:58

    I believe Bro D's point was, the LDS Church does not produce books, pamphlets or videos which attack specific religious denominations. For example, in all the years I've been LDS I have yet to read or hear a General Conference talk or Ensign article condemning the Catholic, Methodist or Baptist Churches.

    Of course, I know many people who will be quick to point to the First Vision story where Joseph Smith claims he was told all church's were an "abomination" but this hardly tells the whole story.

    I invite everyone to read M. Russell Ballard's October, 1994 General Conference talk entitled, "Restored Truth" to gain a better perspective on how the LDS Church sees men such as Luther, Calvin and others as inspired men.

  • Andermart Pullman, WA
    Sept. 7, 2011 8:44 a.m.

    What else is her pastor going to say? Of course he doesn't agree with LDS teachings. But I wish him well with the influence he has. May he be able to bless lives and bring souls to Christ as best he can with the light and knowledge he is willing to receive.

    For the rest of us who aren't fettered with the same conflict-of-interest, I hope we will drink at the spring itself. Read the Book of Mormon and examine LDS teachings at their source. They are a breath of fresh air in a stale world, or to perpetuate the pastors water analogy, they are a bubbling brook where once a stagnant pond prevailed.

  • Gnarmac SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 8:31 a.m.

    I was expecting some bigoted anti-Mormon preacher-speak. His opinion, and the way he stated it, is pretty mild and respectful. All he's really saying is he doesn't believe the LDS Church is true, but we already knew he thought that, because he's not a member.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Sept. 7, 2011 8:04 a.m.

    Wow, did everyone miss the salient question here? If the object of the article is to elucidate on what Bachman thinks of Mormons (she isn't saying), shouldn't the DN be talking to her former pastor, at the church she "recently" switched from?

    BTW, this was a suggestion from my 9th grader, who appears to have more journalistic inquisitiveness than the DN writers....

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 7:58 a.m.

    Bro D says:

    "...we NEVER teach of other faiths...good or bad."


    Every time you tell a non-member or prospective member "I know MY Church is the True Church", you're telling them "I know YOUR Church is a False Church".

    That is actually "teaching of other faiths... bad".

  • Furry1993 Clearfield, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 7:55 a.m.

    This article tries to do to Bachmann what the far right tried (and is still trying) to do to President Obama -- tie the politician to the positions and viewpoints of his/her pastor. The difference is that President Obama rejected the positions and viewpoints of his pastor while I am seeing nothing that says Bachmann has rejected the positions and viewpoints of her pastor -- I would like to hear more about whether she concurs with his positions and viewpoints, and how it would affect the way she relates to people who are Latter-day Saints.

    I have no use for Bachmann. I think she would be an unmitigated disaster as President, and is not in any way qualified for the position. She would best serve the country by dropping out of the race for the Republican nomination for president, going home, and shutting up. I just want people to see her lack of qualifications based on HER and not someone to whom she has a tie (except, perhaps, her husband to whom she has said she would submit).

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Sept. 7, 2011 7:54 a.m.

    @ JoeBlow,

    You're probably right...He,(Bachman's pastor) could distance himself from his words, but I highly doubt that God will from what he declared. It boils down to one simple fact, if God spoke it, then there's no room for debate. If he didn't, then the Mormons deserves all the ridicule and criticisms for sounding arrogant.

    I'm LDS, and I would be very uncomfortable with this statement if it was declared by any of the prophets or apostles in and of themselves. But, because it was the Lord himself that declared it through revelation, I therefore have no problem with it. Let's face it, who among us is brave enough to tell God what he can or can't do, or say what he wants? Not me, thank you.

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 7:52 a.m.

    @Moracle 2:48

    I'm not sure why any pastor would take offense to the scriptures you cited from Alma Chapter 1. Nehor was not condemned to death simply for teaching against the church. He was condemned because he enforced his teachings by murdering Gideon in verse 9. Not only that, verse 17 explains, "...the law could have no power on any man for his belief."

    @RanchHand 7:10

    Your point is well noted which is why I don't get all that offended by articles such as these. I respect the opinions of those who disagree with LDS theology, so long as that disagreement is based on fact and not some untrue or half-truth idea.

    Sept. 7, 2011 7:47 a.m.

    Merritt's comments are myopic at best, hypocritcial as worst. He would have made a good Pharisee. Offended??? Never, it is laughable. Yes a car needs pure gas but withouth power e.g., batter, alternator, plugs, wires, etc. it can't run. Who has power? The analogy runs both ways. We all need to cleave unto truth and resist judging.

  • Bro.D Cornelius, Oregon
    Sept. 7, 2011 7:38 a.m.

    I think what upsets Mormons is the fact the we wholeheartedly believe in and practice Article of Faith #11 but other religons don't....they actively teach against the church in their chapels, in their Sunday schools etc. whereas in the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints we only teach the Gospel of Jesus Christ as it has been restored...we NEVER teach of other faiths...good or bad. Period...it's not our business. So, when we hear of them going out of their way to put down our faith.....it rattles us...

  • Mrs. Plasticman Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 7:34 a.m.

    Why is this news? Evangelical Christians have been bashing on LDS since Joseph Smith first told his Methodist pastor about the first vision. Are we trying to say that because evangelical christians don't agree with LDS doctrine that they are guilty of the same hate mongering and racism that our current presidents 20 year pastor is guilty of?? Come on,there is no comparison. Black Libertion Theology is racism hidden as religion. It is apples and oranges.

  • D Jamieson Raymond, AB
    Sept. 7, 2011 7:31 a.m.

    A wonderful opportunity for LDS to share the truth.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 7:25 a.m.

    USAlover says:
    "Mormonism seems to "work" for me just fine. Evidently, millions of other people do as well."

    --- Millions of other people work for you? Wow. ;}

    KD says:
    "They need to at least have the discussions before commenting with any level of intelligence on the LDS faith."

    ---The "discussions" don't really teach all that much about Mormonism. I still have my set from my mission 30 years ago. "Milk before meat", remember?

    CougarBlue says:
    "Christ called and annointed his Apostles and disciples, ..."

    ---Actually all believers were called apostles and disciples, neither was a special "calling" - and Christ NEVER started a Church. For centuries, Christians were just another SECT of Judaism.


    @A voice of Reason;

    Using your own "scriptures" to prove your churches doctrine is essentially "circular reasoning".

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 7:10 a.m.

    3grandslams | 2:35 p.m. Sept. 6, 2011
    Iowa City, IA
    People are entitled to their opinions. I am amazed however that a Pastor would take time to lecture on Mormons. I would have more respect for this Pastor if he is willing to declare his church as the only true church on the earth.

    If he does that, then he's got something but if he is just trying to tear down, he may want to review the "love thy neighbor" lesson taught in the bible.

    Isn't declaring your own church as the "Only True Church" in fact tearing down all other churches? Of course it is. You're calling them liars and false churches - thus tearing them down every bit as much as your complaining about them tearing down your own.

    Every time you say "I know MY Church is the True Church", you're saying "I know YOUR Church is a False Church". Don't you see that?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 7, 2011 7:03 a.m.

    Charles - what about Baptist that believe (rightfully so) that Peter left behind a series of independent christian congregations as he preached across the region. Or the Eastern Orthidox who claim the same lineage as the Holy Roman Catholic church.

    It really isn't a black and white as it looks. I was really surprised to read about the origins of the Baptist... it is worth the time to educate yourself on their claims as well.

  • Rynn Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 7, 2011 7:01 a.m.

    Why does religion have to be like sports rivalry? Why can't people be content in their own religion without having to look down on other religions?

  • JoeBlow Miami Area, Fl
    Sept. 7, 2011 4:56 a.m.

    "he proclaimed that this Church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is the Only true and living Church on the earth. We simply repeat what he said."

    Ok, I get it.

    So, if this paster said, "god told me that the LDS religion is wrong and diluted" then all is well?

    He could distance himself from his words.

    Sorry, it does not work that way, but nice try.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Sept. 7, 2011 3:00 a.m.

    @ A voice of Reason: All your scripture references were spot on, except one. There's no such thing as Leviticus 3:30-34, at least not in my bible...it only goes to verse 17.

  • Lasvegaspam Henderson, NV
    Sept. 7, 2011 2:48 a.m.

    (continued) What I can assure you is that at this very moment Romneys opponents are digging to find and quote some former church leader of his who has made hateful or bigoted statements about others religions. Thing is theyll come up empty. As a convert of 35 years, I have never heard any leader teach anything derogatory about how others worship. Instead, we invite all to come unto Christ and to learn more of what He has taught through latter-day revealed doctrine.

  • Moracle Blackshear, GA
    Sept. 7, 2011 2:48 a.m.

    The problem many pastors may have with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter- day Saints might be suggested in the first chapter of Alma, verses 2 through 6 and verses 12 & 16.

    But, if so, they are not likely to say so...

  • Lasvegaspam Henderson, NV
    Sept. 7, 2011 2:48 a.m.

    Remember Sharron Angle who tried to unseat Senator Harry Reid just last year here in Nevada? Turns out Angles former pastor had some derogatory things to say about Mormons, too. It caused a stir here, where we LDS comprise about 11 percent of the total population but represent almost 25% of the voting block. She responded with dignity explaining that she, of course, cant possibly control the opinion of every person shes ever been linked to, and reiterated her respect for Latter-day Saints with whom she shares more common values than does Harry Reid. Ninety-five percent of the LDS I know voted for her over Harry due to her true conservative and constitutionalist beliefs. Not certain how this reality will bode for Romney vs. Bachmann vs Perry.

  • 22ozn44ozglass Southern Utah, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 12:14 a.m.

    "You act like this is a new tactic with the DSnews. President Obama's purported 'weird'-Mormon strategy against Mitt Romney will backfire.... The DSNews claimed Obama's campaign was trying to...Kill Romney.To date, Obama hasn't said a word about Romney's faith. Yet, the DSNews felt the need to report on something he...never, said"

    The DN article is clearly a summary of & comentary on several artcles, and those articles are the source of the claims not the DN. The articles cited and quoted are from: Politico, the Atlantic wire Mediaite & raw story, and those articles made the claim that Obama camp strategists are the responsible parties.

    "Unless things change and Obama can run on accomplishments, he will have to kill Romney, said a prominent Democratic strategist aligned with the White House" Politico 8/9/11

    The DN did not make any claims about Obama or rather the Obama campain targeting Romney's religion and using it to "kill Romney", the source articles mentioned above did.

    Your blatant bias & attempt to smear the DN (LDS Owned) shines through in your post, and once again you do not read the source materials. When accuracy/truth are not your goal-why bother ???

    Sept. 6, 2011 11:42 p.m.

    Sounds like the Mormon religion is working. Look as all the people it is helping.

  • Christy Beaverton, OR
    Sept. 6, 2011 11:02 p.m.

    Oh, who cares.

    She's got as much of a chance at winning the nomination as Mary Poppins.

  • Captain Green Heber City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 10:52 p.m.

    I find it very fulfilling, rewarding, and pleasant to be a member of the true church that Christ established while on the earth... The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the modern-time restored version. It is interesting to watch others try to disprove this fact, which they always have difficulty doing.
    Contrary to what Bachmann's pastor (a paid minister) said, the LDS Church actually is the fullness of the Christian Church, not merely a diluted version. Regardless of what anyone says, it remains true... and people would be wise to investigate further. It will bless their lives greatly as it has mine and that of my family.
    Captain Jim Green
    Former US Navy
    Retired Airline Pilot
    Current University Professor
    Life LDS Member

  • MoJules Florissant, MO
    Sept. 6, 2011 10:33 p.m.

    I do not agree with anyone putting down another religions, because there is good in all teachings that lead us back to God. I also feel like those that have to do this are acting like they have more knowledge and authority then God does. No one has the right on this earth to declare what God can or can't do and if he wants a living prophet and a restored church then his will is more valid then anyone else. I personally can't wrap my brain around the fact that in ancient times there was a lot of prophets and teachings going on and in our world today where we need it more then ever that God would shut the heavens up and ignore us and not speak to us about things that are going on today. Sorry, but I believe in a God that has no limits, especially the ones that man want to put on him. I like the words of a song that I have sung, "with God, nothing is impossible". That is truth.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 10:15 p.m.

    Dear Silas Brill, that is what Christ said when he proclaimed that this Church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is the Only true and living Church on the earth. We simply repeat what he said.

    Deuteronomy and Revelations talk about adding to the scriptures also, yet we have books written after Deuteronomy. John was written after Revelations. God can always add to his word or write it again to make a point.

    Christ said, John 3:5, that a man [woman] must be born of the water and the spirit or they cannot enter the Kingdom of God. Paul baptized a person because he had not heard of the Holy Ghost so Paul knew the baptism they received was not by one authorized to baptize. He then laid his hands on them and they received the Holy Ghost. Baptism is the gate and the Holy Ghost is the purifier.

    Because one went to a seminary and received a degree does not give him authorization to act in the name of God. Only God, not a school or college, can authorize that through his appointed disciples. Study the scriptures and see how it was done.

  • SimonSays Riverton, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 9:50 p.m.

    Blah, blah, blah.

  • crunchem Cedar City, Utah
    Sept. 6, 2011 9:45 p.m.

    @LDS Liberal: Then how do you explain our wonderful Representative down south, Jim Matheson, with a big "D" after his name, consistently getting re-elected for years? Southern Utah is as "R" a place as you can get...

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 9:43 p.m.

    How can she listen to this preacher week in and week out and not be influenced? I believe I heard a talk show host ask that question daily during the last presidential campaign.

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 9:37 p.m.

    "The whole thing is diluted, and honestly it just doesn't work."

    Really? Mormonism doesn't work? From 6 members in the early 1800s to 14 million now. The Book of Mormon is a top-10 book of all time.

    Come on Pastor. Make an intelligent response. You don't believe Mormonism. That's fine. We can all agree to disagree. But at least show some substance in your statement. And the accusation of Mormons being condemned for supposedly "adding to the word of God" is a tired, worn-out accusation that just doesn't work (see Old Testament Deuteronomy 4:2, and how much has been "added" after that.)

  • American man WOODS CROSS, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 9:24 p.m.

    Cont,d from earlier post. (Amos 8: 11)

    verse 12, And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the North even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not
    find it.

    Acts 3:21 says, The Heavens must receive Jesus Christ untill the restitution of all things.

    John the Revelator had a glimpse of the restitution of all things. Revelation 14:6, and I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth,and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people.

    Has the real gospel of Jesus Christ been restored? The Church Jesus built when He walked upon the earth had twelve apostles and prophets. Does anyone know of a church with 12 apostles and prophets, with Jesus Christ as the Chief
    corner stone.

  • JAHS vacaville, ca
    Sept. 6, 2011 9:10 p.m.

    This article commits the fallacy of guilt by association. Who cares what Bachman's paster says about the LDS Church? Is that really what she would say? I have had Bishops who have said things I don't agree with, even though generally we believe in the same doctrines.

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 9:02 p.m.

    Re: LDS Liberal: Which party was three term governor Rampton and two term Governor Matheson from. Oh, and which state voted for the independent Ross Perot more than Mr. Clinton in his first term. Seems Utahns are pretty independent folks who vote for good people mostly over party. After all Mr. Jim Matheson has been repeatedly sent back to Washington even in a district arranged to make that difficult.

  • Vanka Provo, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 8:43 p.m.

    I am disgusted by this article's blatant "baiting" and pandering to malcontents and divisiveness.

    DN should be ashamed.

  • gcrobmd GADSDEN, AL
    Sept. 6, 2011 8:33 p.m.

    I agree that the atonement of Jesus Christ is the supernally beautiful center of Christianity, but the appendanges added to it have not diluted it, but made it even more awesome. Our first child was wonderfully beautiful, but each subsequent child added to our family in no way "diluted" our love or gratitude or indebtedness to God, but only added to it all.

  • American man WOODS CROSS, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 8:20 p.m.

    In June 27, 2011 of this year Michele Bachmann made a public speech which contained the following words: Sourse: Desert News.

    I pray believing that God will speak to me and give me an answer to that prayer.
    "that's what a calling is - If I pray, a calling means that I feel like I have a sense from God--it means that I have a sense of assurance about the diriction
    I think that God is speaking into my heart that I should go.

    I know of some scriptures that is contrary to what Michele says (above).
    1) 2nd Thessalonians 2:2-3, verse 2. ---as that the day of Christ is at hand.

    Verse 3. Let no man deceive you by any means:, for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.

    What is the falling away? See Amos 8: 11-12. 11, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the word of the Lord.

    Cont'd next post.

  • MAYHEM MIKE Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 7:48 p.m.

    Yes, evangelicals certainly constitute "pure" and "undiluted" religion, having been "refined" through the prism of the Nicene Creed. Lots of luck with that!

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 7:43 p.m.

    I loved the car and diluted gasoline analogy. I don't care what her pastor thinks about mormons because that's irrelevant in the campaign arena. However, maybe now I see how she was going to make that two dollar a gallon gas thing work.

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 7:32 p.m.

    Underlying the difficulty Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman are having among evangelicals is the ignorance and bigotry of evangelicals toward Mormonism. This is a classical case of just that type of ignorance and a deeply underlying bigoted stance toward the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Although I believe Michelle Bachmann would likely be more fair-minded toward Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman, nevertheless, she still drinks from a polluted source from her Church.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 7:27 p.m.

    Bachmann = Insanity

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 7:20 p.m.

    "it all boils down to the Catholics or the Mormons. Either the Catholics have had the priesthood from Peter or they don't. If they do, they are Christ's church. If they don't, a restoration, not a reformation, was needed and that's where the LDS come in to play.

    The rest of the churches may be teaching some truths but don't have a leg to stand on to claim they are the only true church. Evangelicals are 1500 years too late to the party. Sorry folks.

    It's entirely possible that both the Catholic churh and the Mormon church doesn't have authority or that no church doe. Now the concept of there being no "God's church" seems a bit odd but the LDS belief that an apostasy occurred would require such a period without one so it's not too difficult to believe. Of course, if a restoration were needed... that doesn't mean the LDS church is the right means of restoration.

  • TheProudDuck Newport Beach, CA
    Sept. 6, 2011 7:07 p.m.

    Sensible Middle --

    "Evengelicals have too much faith in the Bible and not enough faith in the goodness of God."

    The word for this is "bibliolatry."

  • TheProudDuck Newport Beach, CA
    Sept. 6, 2011 7:06 p.m.

    The Caravan Moves On --

    If I had to pick, it would be the parts where God buries, burns, floods, or otherwise kills off cities full of the people who haven't been good enough.

    I have a hard time enough thinking about six-year-old girls dying horribly in natural disasters, without making God their own personal executioner.

    Or, in a broader sense, a Christian who understands faith as primarily a matter between the Almighty and each individual soul -- an understanding which is such a great support for the concept of freedom of religion -- might worry that the Book of Mormon's apparent emphasis on collective, societal righteousness (as in, make sure your civilization is good enough, otherwise the Almighty will unleash your dark and loathsome neighbors on you) is uncomfortably Islamic, and tends to lead to the conclusion that righteousness should be enforced by "laws [that are] exceedingly strict."

    Now of course the Bible has its own share of holy butchery -- but I've always been able to set it aside, the Bible being cobbled together from the oral traditions of a bunch of near-savages, who can be excused getting a few things wrong. Harder with miraculous translation.

  • TheProudDuck Newport Beach, CA
    Sept. 6, 2011 6:58 p.m.

    "Nothing divides us like religion."

    Oh, hogwash. I think the pastor's wrongheaded, but what he said was plain vanilla nothing compared to what people say about each other in the name of politics.

    Exhibit "A" -- The same people who hum John Lennon's "Imagine" and think religion is a horribly divisive force, will happily paint their politically-adverse neighbors as the second coming of Vlad the Impaler (because, fr'instance, they'd like to limit federal spending to 20% of GDP).

  • silas brill Heber, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 6:52 p.m.

    [ ... he suggested the Mormon faith is "untrue"... ]

    Isn't that what Mormons say about other faiths?

  • The Sensible Middle Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 6:51 p.m.


    Evengelicals have too much faith in the Bible and not enough faith in the goodness of God.

  • The Caravan Moves On Enid, OK
    Sept. 6, 2011 6:50 p.m.

    I've often wondered, "So what part of the Book of Mormon do you (to those of other religious faiths) find reprehensible and full of the Devil?"

    Is it the part in which it says that we must be kind to one another?

    Is it the part that says we should help carry one anothers' burdens?

    Is it the part that says we should believe in God and obey Him with all our heart, might, mind and strength?

    Is it the part that teaches us the 10 Commandments?

    Is it the part that teaches us that we should pray to God unceasingly?

    Is it the part that says if we only pray to God but don't nourish and lift the weak and the poor that our prayers avail us nothing?

    Is it the part that says that the wicked who rebel against God cannot live with Him after we die?

    Or is it the numerous, NUMEROUS parts that testify that Jesus is the Christ, the Redeemer of all mankind?

    So many people claim the Book of Mormon is an "evil" book and I ask, which part of it, exactly?

  • TheProudDuck Newport Beach, CA
    Sept. 6, 2011 6:50 p.m.

    The good pastor better not quit his day job (which I'm sure pays comfortably enough) to go full-time into the analogizing business.

    Let's assume he's right, and Mormons have, indeed, added something extra to God's gas tank.

    He thinks it's water. By that logic, the Mormon motor ought to sputter and quit.

    Oh darn, it hasn't. In fact, those darn Mormons are blowing the good reverend's congregation pretty well out of the water on multiple measures of fruits-ye-shall-know-them. (Mmmm....fruits!) Our sons are more manly & sober, our daughters are prettier, and our root beer beats theirs in nine out of ten blind taste tests.

    The additive must be nitrous or something. Now I'm probably going to see in the comments I haven't read that about twenty people have already made that fish-in-a-barrel point. Thanks for the setup, Rev.

  • The Caravan Moves On Enid, OK
    Sept. 6, 2011 6:39 p.m.

    I've been over this issue of "adding to the Bible" many times with friends over the years and it still completely baffles me as to why so many mainstream Christians have such a hard time believing that God, if He wants to do so, cannot add anything to the Bible.

    Who are we to limit what God can say?

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 6:37 p.m.

    @ Neuron | 5:47 p.m. Sept. 6, 2011

    Like the song says, LDS lib's *opinion* more often than not is Sad but true.

    Look at how many people blindly support Romney & Chaffetz.

    67% people in Utah's 2nd district voted for W on 2008; the 2nd is Utah's most liberal district.

  • defibman Syracuse, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 6:19 p.m.

    If some of these pastors would look into their own religion as they do the LDS, they would be writing even more derogatory comments about their own church's beliefs. Most of them know that what they preach is shallow and cannot hold people to their beliefs, so they jump on the band wagon of "Mormon haters" and try to build themselves up by tearing the LDS down.

    They continue to harp on the same old lines but they just don't have the doctrine to to preach their own beliefs.

    How very sad that most of their people just can't get past the hate.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 6:15 p.m.

    "Christians" who think God is ALL powerful and loving yet will throw someone into eternal torment because they don't accept Jesus in this life are not in a position to throw stones about a diluted, untrue or changed Gospel.

  • @Charles the greater outdoors, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 6:07 p.m.

    @Neuron: I wish I could give your comment a 1000 recommendations! That post by LDS Liberal was actually quite tame for him. I'm not sure why the Dnews censors allow most of his posts as you can see most of them are filled with hate, anger and vitriol.

    What's worse is that the Dnews censors allow his posts and then don't allow rebuttals.


    I liked the comment posted about the additives that can make the car run better! That was awesome.


    Don't all churches believe they are the one and only true church on earth? If not, why not?

    As was quoted in A Marvelous Work and Wonder -- it all boils down to the Catholics or the Mormons. Either the Catholics have had the priesthood from Peter or they don't. If they do, they are Christ's church. If they don't, a restoration, not a reformation, was needed and that's where the LDS come in to play.

    The rest of the churches may be teaching some truths but don't have a leg to stand on to claim they are the only true church. Evangelicals are 1500 years too late to the party. Sorry folks.

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    Sept. 6, 2011 6:01 p.m.

    Nephi must have had this man in mind when he recorded ". And because my words shall hiss forthmany of the Gentiles shall say: A Bible! A Bible! We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible.Wherefore, because that ye have a Bible ye need not suppose that it contains all my awords; neither need ye suppose that I have not caused more to be written.

  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 6:00 p.m.

    Agreed this was a filler article...little substance and not very meaningful. Worse, for me, are all the comments written to doctrinally straighten the poor preacher out. Puhleeeeeze, people. Leave the chruch curriculum writing for the pros in Salt Lake City. I guarantee no one read them or took them seriously or had any life-changing ah hah's. "Bashing," as we called it in the mission field, is wasted energy and has no positive effects. Save it and do your preaching with your love and kindness and sharing.

  • micawber Centerville, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 5:55 p.m.

    Petroleum, water and engines? Further evidence that analogies often obscure more than they illuminate.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 5:50 p.m.


    The DeseretNews is LDS owned and as such does not endorse political candidates. Whether or not the paper has a bias is a different matter.

    "I like the last paragraph of the article where it shows the exponential growth of the LDS religion. Yet the pastor says their religion is on the wrong track... apparently that locomotive is loaded and getting bigger as it runs on the wrong track. "

    Well, the LDS church itself believes that there was an apostasy which requires a loaded and getting bigger wrong track (a bit under 2000 ago), so it's not surprising that others think something similar.

  • Neuron Northern, FL
    Sept. 6, 2011 5:47 p.m.

    Re: LDS Liberal "The sad fact of the matter is, Utah Republican Mormons would blindly and sheepishly vote for the devil himself - so long as he has the letter 'R' next to his/her name."

    I've read some offensive comments on DN but that is one of the most offensive comments I've read. Why don't you just call "Utah Republican Mormons" stupid people who can't think for themselves, which is what you not-so-subtly implied?

  • Gramajane OAKLEY, ID
    Sept. 6, 2011 5:46 p.m.

    If one claims it wrong to believe things not found in the Bible
    Then it is amazing to me that these same claimants believe in the "Trinity" which word isn't even found in the King James Bible, and neither the word I believe was used in the Nicene Councils " essence"? to describe the Godhead, while the very scripture used to claim " no more scripture added" actually concerns specifically " the Book of Revelations" ( there are MANY books in the Bible!!) and even in the O. T . Is found another reference to not adding to a prophets words. I highly doubt the prophets intended to limit God from speaking to prophets as is is pattern from the begining and we are told He does not change??
    -- in fact in Amos 3:7 we find God will do nothing save he reveals his secrets to his servants the prophets --
    Sooooo, for me ( yes, I'm LDS) what was "added" or diluted, was a battle during New Test. times, and full apostacy happened about 300 years after Jesus resurrection.
    But we don't need to worry -THAT was prophesied ( 2 Thess. 2:3 as was the restoration by an angel Rev 14:6 ! :)

  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 5:26 p.m.

    The woman openly uses her religion as a campaign talking point. She has said she will use it to govern. Her religion, therefore, should be scrutinized. Her pastor, the one who leads the church, has stated that LDS aren't true christians and there religion is not true.

  • DavisMan Clearfield, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 5:21 p.m.

    It seems a lot of people think "it works". What would you say to a Buddhist, they think it "works".

  • tyndale1 Pullman, WA
    Sept. 6, 2011 5:20 p.m.

    Well, he must mean that it doesn't work for him, as a pastor. It is a very difficult model to duplicate and to monetize in such a way that it will replace an income. But as for instilling hope in individuals, as for restoring self respect and dignity, as for discovering a way for every person to accept baptismal covenants and a myriad of other things, it does so much better than traditional Christianity. I would have to say that it is a more pure extract, rather than being diluted.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 5:18 p.m.

    Nothing divides us like religion. Nothing spoils politics like...religion.

  • first2third Elmo, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 5:17 p.m.

    I like the last paragraph of the article where it shows the exponential growth of the LDS religion. Yet the pastor says their religion is on the wrong track... apparently that locomotive is loaded and getting bigger as it runs on the wrong track.

  • sharrona layton, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 5:06 p.m.

    A voice of Reason said, Her pastor's claim about Mormon's "adding" to "God's word" is without reason or substance.
    JS Did: That seer his name shall be called Joseph(Smith), and it shall be after the name of his father. ( Gensis 50:33 JST)? JS prophecy about himself.

    A Marvelous work and wonder.((Isaiah 29:14 JST)But the book(BoM) shall be delivered unto a man(JS).verse 16by the power of Christverse 17,three witnesses, verse 19,many witnesses as seemeth good. Both prophecies NOT found in Greek Septuagint (Apostles Bible),Dead Sea(Isaiah) Scrolls or Masoretic texts.

    And other sheep (John 10:16)They are Gentiles Therefore I want you to know that Gods salvation has been sent to the Gentiles, and they will listen! . Acts 28:28 .

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 4:57 p.m.

    Don't you dare ask my Bishop his opinions outside of the scriptures and try to tie those opinions to me.

    What really bothers me is that articles like this confuse the ignorant. There are people in Utah that don't get out and think this is what stream-line Christians think about Mormons. (See comments) Stirring the pot like this is very bad for Utah.

  • Gary Moore Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 4:56 p.m.

    You know we're getting into the election season when guilt by association games start getting coverage in the media.

  • Blaine Cedar City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 4:56 p.m.

    Roman Emperor Constantine (a pagan, even after his "conversion" to Christianity) convened the First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. The purpose of that council of theologians and church bureaucrats from across the Roman Empire was to attain consensus (as opposed to establish revealed truth) in church doctrine. This consensus, along with decisions produced by subsequent councils, conflicts in meaningful ways with the Bible. Oddly, ministers who follow the apostate concepts found in these creeds produced by committees -- not prophets -- are considered to be teaching the truth. And, they say that anyone who does not follow these apostate creeds have diluted the truth and therefore have none.

  • Andre Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 4:49 p.m.

    @Farmington Liberal, you make an excellent point. I'm certain you are referring of course to Republicans like Bob Bennett. The fact that LDS generally vote Republican couldn't have anything to do with the fact that broad swaths of the Democrat party exhibit outright hostility to the values we hold dear. Do you ever read the Tribune comment section? Enlightened liberals would never vote for candidates of poor character such as John Edwards, Rod Blagojevich, John Murtha, Alcee Hastings or Dan Rostenkowski just because they are Democrats.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 4:36 p.m.

    It doesn't bother me. I think his version of christianity is "diluted" "untrue" and "doesn't work". So if he thinks the same of mine I'm not going to take offense.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 6, 2011 4:31 p.m.

    I see nothing wrong with the pastors statements, they were delivered respectfully and without hate. If you were to ask an LDS member about her faith, using those exact same words would be equally applicable.

    As to the church being the wealthiest.... not sure where that comes from. First of all, the church doesn't report its net worth, so no one really knows. Secondly, if you were to try to compare the "wealth" of our LDS faith to say the Catholic church, I think you would find we LDS come up very short. Its not a bad thing, it is actually a good thing. Net worth has nothing to do with the truthfulness of rightness of a church.

    Brave sir Robin - and you just did exactly what you described. To say the pastor is an "entreprenuer" selling a product is a most judgemental statement of anothers convictions, a person I am willing to bet you know very little about. To presume non-members don't have faith equal to your own is really putting yourself in dangerous territory.

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 4:25 p.m.

    Want to know what a Democrat stands for, ask the Democrat, not the Republican.

    Of course the pastor doesn't think Mormonism is true... why would he? If he did think it was true, wouldn't he be one? No news there.

    The problem with evangelicals railing against someone else's religion from the pulpit is no different than the hate spewed by Wahabists of Islam railing with hate against the Jews.

    Come on religious people. Get some religion! Stop the hate. Tell us what you believe, not what we should think of someone else's beliefs. Absurd.

  • Curmudgeon Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 4:25 p.m.

    It's obvious the DNews plans to endorse a Mormon candidate (I'm guessing Romney), so it's altogether understandable it would try to diminish or cast espersions on or raise doubts about a potential opponent like Bachmann. I'm no fan of Bachmann, but this is unworthy of a responsible newspaper. At least wait until Bachmann herself says something negative about the LDS Church. Even then, whatever the DNews says about Bachmann will likely have no effect on its largely LDS readership.

  • A voice of Reason Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 4:21 p.m.

    Her pastor's claim about Mormon's "adding" to "God's word" is without reason or substance.

    First, can God not add to his own word? Many cite Revelation 22:18 to fight the book of Mormon. Howard W. Hunter has answered this in the talk- "No Man Shall Add to or Take Away".

    Second, "pure" scripture? The Book of Mormon correlates to older existing versions of the Bible even more than newer translations. How does a book being altered over time have any claim to be pure? Ongoing revelation IS pure. Christ lives! Is one Christian and not believe this to be true?


    One cannot fight the LDS Church and truly be a Christian. Yet so many will deny these truths in the bible in order to fight God's true church.

    Genesis 32:30
    Exodus 33:11
    1 Corinthians 15:40-41
    Matthew 18:10, 14
    Matthew 19:14
    Jeremiah 1:5
    Matthew 5:48
    1 Corinthians 8:5-6
    Psalm 82
    Matthew 5:48
    1 John 3:1-2
    John 17:11, 21-22
    Acts 7: 55-56
    1 Corinthians 12:28
    Luke 10:1
    Hebrews 5:6
    Leviticus 3:30-34
    1 Corinthians 15:29
    John 10:16

  • jntrcs Lehi, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 4:20 p.m.

    What a non-story story. Of course her pastor doesn't believe in Mormonism, if he did, he'd be Mormon. None of what he said was outrageous or out of character from what I'd expect any other professor to say. In fact, Mormons say the exact same (or opposite I suppose) of other churches. They have some truth, but not all of it.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 4:19 p.m.

    This minister has failed to see that his church has diluted the teachings of Christ to the point they are almost unrecognizable anymore. Christ called and annointed his Apostles and disciples, they did not go to some seminary. Where are the Apostles in his church as we learn from the scriptures that the church is built on apostles and prophets until we come to a unity of faith. I would not say that 800+ Christian Churches is coming to a unity of faith.

    Paul, the apostle, said that unless he or an angel from Heaven teaches you anything else do not believe them. What this man teaches was not taught by Paul and an Angel did come to Joseph Smith and we teach what he and the apostles taught.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 4:12 p.m.

    @Brave Sir Robin
    "I find it interesting that this person gave a sermon titled "Raise Your Religious IQ Investigating Mormonism" and everybody thinks that is totally hunky dory."

    Well at least for me whether or not his speech, or a hypothetical one given by an LDS leader about other groups, is okay, would depend on tone and accuracy of statements.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 3:53 p.m.

    This is pure fluff.
    Who cares what this pastor thinks? He's not running for office.
    If you're trying to turn him into some Jeremiah Wright, it just doesn't work on so many levels.
    This story has no substance and is unworthy of publication. Shame on the editors for allowing it.

  • KD Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 3:52 p.m.

    Another example of someone who thinks they know the Mormon religion but doesn't have a clue. They need to at least have the discussions before commenting with any level of intelligence on the LDS faith.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Sept. 6, 2011 3:38 p.m.

    Incidentally, I find it interesting that this person gave a sermon titled "Raise Your Religious IQ Investigating Mormonism" and everybody thinks that is totally hunky dory.

    I guarantee you that if an LDS leader gave a talk titled "Raise Your Religious IQ - Investigating Protestantism" (or Buddhism, or Catholicism, or Islam, or...you get my point), people would go ballistic. Especially the anti-LDS community in Utah.

  • sushirocks8 SLC, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 3:37 p.m.

    There isn't one true church, the Bible says whoever believes is in the church of Christ. And I am sure like most churches his has a welfare and outreach program.

  • John Harrison Sandy, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 3:29 p.m.

    As usual, searching for the "Mormon angle" results in a sub-par story. The Deseret News: News for Mormons (TM)

    Why do Mormons need special news just for them? The recent change in emphasis in how the DN operates is unfortunate and does not do its readership any favors.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Sept. 6, 2011 3:22 p.m.

    What did you expect Bachmann's pastor to say?

    "Actually, after digging into it a bit, it turns out the Mormons are right. We've got it all wrong here. LDS doctrine is pure truth. I don't know why anyone would spend their time - or money - supporting my sham of a church."

    Unfortunately, Merritt the pastor is simply an entreprenuer selling a product. And what's the best way to distinguish your product? By putting down and casting doubt on your "competitor's" product.

  • LDSareChristians Anchorage, AK
    Sept. 6, 2011 3:22 p.m.

    Merritt says: "The whole thing is diluted, and honestly it just doesn't work."

    I suppose it depends upon what is being added. The right "additives" to gasoline makes the engine run better!

  • coltakashi Richland, WA
    Sept. 6, 2011 3:22 p.m.

    I was just reading the book "American Grace", in which two sociologists from Harvard and Notre Dame reported their analysis of in-depth surveys they conducted of American religious beliefs and practices and how they related to other attitudes and behaviors affecting American society.

    One of the most interesting findings of the surveys was that, even though most pastors are insistent that ONLY the members of their own narrowly defined faith tradition will go to heaven, the vast majority of people in their congregations believe that most other people outside their own churches will be able to "go to heaven". For the Mormons surveyed, consistent with LDS doctrine, it is 98%, but it was also about 70% for Evangelical Christians. So Bachmann's pastor may criticize other denominations as imperfect ways to salvation, but most of those who listen to him will continue to disagree.

  • Fred Vader Oklahoma City, OK
    Sept. 6, 2011 3:20 p.m.

    Really, Jamshid? You had to go all the way back to a 2007 sermon just to try to stir up controversy, and this is the best you could come up with? Didn't you also mention that this is her "new" pastor, so what he said in 2007 doesn't really apply to her does it? (Even though what he apparently said isn't that big of a deal) Yikes! C'mon D-News. Your staff can do better than this.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 3:20 p.m.

    Mormonism seems to "work" for me just fine. Evidently, millions of other people do as well.

    For being the fastest growing American religion, and certainly the wealthiest, it seems to work just fine.

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    Sept. 6, 2011 3:17 p.m.

    When is she going to proclaim that the Texas fires are evidence of God's displeasure with Rick Perry's administration?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 3:16 p.m.

    The sad fact of the matter is,
    Utah Republican Mormons would blindly and sheepishly vote for the devil himself - so long as he has the letter "R" next to his/her name.

    How did that warning go again...oh yes;
    something about in the last days - "even the very elect would be deceived".

  • byu rugby Crystal Lake, IL
    Sept. 6, 2011 3:06 p.m.

    Hello Pagen! Wouldn't you be more comfortable on Trib threads. Trolling on the DN seems kind of childish.

  • byu rugby Crystal Lake, IL
    Sept. 6, 2011 3:04 p.m.

    He was at least polite. He has a product to sell. He is attempting to identify differences. The LDS church says basically the same thing about other religion. It is all about sales. It really doesn't matter though Bachmann is too outside the mainstream to be a serious contender. At least, she isn't a rino like the two mormon guys.

  • Richard Saunders Provo, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 2:54 p.m.

    Hmmm...I think you may be on to something Deseret News. Instead of printing articles discussing a candidate's beliefs and policy positions, you could print an article discussing how those around them feel about Mormonism. Maybe you could publish an article about how 'Mormon' Jon Huntsman really is. Maybe you could try finding every article nationwide published about Mormonism and the election and then republish it here. And then, if you think the article treats our faith dismissively by mentioning our beliefs, you could print a response a few days later. Of course you will have to ignore some worthwhile candidates to publish all these articles, but no matter. The goal here is to let all your readers know this election is only a referendum on Mormonism, and has little to do with finding the best person for the job. Now some may say daily articles about Mormonism in presidential politics is counter productive to your previously stated desire that candidates be judged on merit, not on their religion. We know they are wrong. The only way to prevent Mormonism from becoming the central issue of this campaign is to publish daily articles.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Sept. 6, 2011 2:45 p.m.

    Everyone's entitled to their "opinion", aren't they??

  • Pretorius1 Provo, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 2:44 p.m.

    The beautiful thing about this country is that we have the freedom to think and speak however we want, so if I was LDS or catholic or baptist or any religion, is that this country gives us opportunity to participate on everything, the constitution doesn't tell you, if you are LDS you can't be president. So to Mrs. Buchmann: Please have some respect and don't mix religion and politics together, and let's be professional.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 2:41 p.m.

    All things considered it could've been a much worse statement.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Sept. 6, 2011 2:35 p.m.

    People are entitled to their opinions. I am amazed however that a Pastor would take time to lecture on Mormons. I would have more respect for this Pastor if he is willing to declare his church as the only true church on the earth.

    If he does that, then he's got something but if he is just trying to tear down, he may want to review the "love thy neighbor" lesson taught in the bible.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 2:34 p.m.

    who is this guy to say it doesn't work? how many are in his congregation? what welfare and social programs does this guy's church offer? what are his beliefs? how many states and countries is his church in?........it is this type of evangelical that libs and many conservatives have a problem with. i am one of those conservatives.

  • Idaho Coug Meridian, Idaho
    Sept. 6, 2011 2:32 p.m.

    I think the pastors comments are a fair representation of the primary difference between Mormonism and mainstream Christianity. Mormons believe that what has been added actually restores the fullness of truth while most Christians believe that what has been added actually dilutes the truth.

    And at least the quote included in the article was pretty respectful. We have all heard much worse.

  • Chachi Charlottesville, VA
    Sept. 6, 2011 2:31 p.m.

    This article needs a proofread. It refers to "Merritt" without telling us who this person is. Presumably, Merritt is the pastor at Bachmann's church. But basic rules of writing say that you must identify a person before referring to him or her by just a last name with no further qualification or explanation.

    Also, I think it's a bit funny that the Deseret News apparently feels it necessary to explain to its audience that Mormons believe in the Book of Mormon, but not to explain that "LDS," "Mormon," and "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" refer to the same thing. Is there any logic guiding this writing?

  • Andre Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 6, 2011 2:28 p.m.

    Oh come on! This article is really stretching to stir the pot. I am active LDS and not a Bachmann supporter, but do not find this offensive. It sounds like a fairly respectfully stated difference of opinion.