I do not care who takes out Hatch.When he sponsored the DREAM Act,
he lost my support. When he voted for the Patriot Act without even reading it,
he lost my support. He has since voted for it again!EVERY time he
claims to be conservative, he more solidifies my non-support. The people of UT
are not stupid enough (I hope) to listen to his once every sixth year claim of
being conservative to influence them again to support this liberal deceiver.He is the best excuse for term limits I have seen in a long time.
So Elcapitan, you voted for Jack Carlson back in 1976 and are still nursing a
Orrin Hatch has served Utah, the nation, and conservatives well.Saying: 'You're old, it's time to retire' is a weak argument unless the
politician has been ineffective in helping the conservative cause.By
any measurable standard, Senator Hatch continues to help the conservative
cause.His skill and experience are needed in the coming difficult
years. So why would you toss someone out who has the power as a
member of the conservative team to help achieve the goals?And you
don't toss someone out unless you have a better alternative. I
believe Senator Hatch is going to be re-elected. Tell me who is going to have
better skill, and do a better job?
Elcapitan...LIberals breath different air? Really? Let
me see, conservatives can "psycho analyze" the liberals at will
(special powers I guess), while liberals (being none same air breathers) are
completely incapable of such complex thought.Oh the high and mighty
conservatives, to be so superior to all else, we bask in your wisdom and self
honor..... may we all someday be so wise and knowledgeable.Really.... what's next - I know you are but what am i? Politics
is for grown ups.... I wish the kids would all go back to the playground until
they learn how to disagree nicely.
LDS liberal @How dare you psycho analyze the Republicans like that
as a liberal. You do not even breath the same air as they do. Stay with what you
know. You are in deep water.
Senator Hatch, Is this the new conservative angle?MEDICARE PREMIUM
INCREASE>> >> *For those of you who are
on Medicare, read the article>> below.**It is about
the monthly amount of money you are>> going to pay
in Medicare premiums in 2011, 2012 and the>> huge
increase you will pay in 2013. It's a short but>>
important article: *>> >> *Congress will
not allow an increase in the social>> security COLA
( cost of living adjustment ); however,>> the per
person monthly Medicare insurance premium will>> be
increased from the 2009 premium of $96.40 to $104.20>>
in 2012, $120.20 for the year 2013 AND increases to a>>
wonderful $247.00 in 2014. **! *>> >>
*Congress also gave themselves a $3,000 a month Cost of>>
Flashback@ You make some sense unlike some others posting here,
however, I was a delegate when Hatch first ran for the sentate I did not vote
for him. He is a combination of a Washington insider and a conservative.
Washington is home for him. When he finally is forced out he will probably
continue to live in Washington and request burial at Arlington. This election is
about moving "grandpa" to the rest home. He will resist it to the very
end. He is a strange bedfellow for the Tea Party folks (who I admire) who make
no room for him. His time is long gone. His work has been good at times but
centerline right. Our big government is partly his fault in making too much
compromise with his friends Teddy Kennedy and company. He needs to go.
Ok lets knock Hatch out of the Senate. That means that if the Republicans
regain control of the Senate, Olympia Snowe becomes Chairman of the Finance
Committee and she is queen of the RINO's. She votes more with the Democrats
then the Republicans and she would chair the most powerful committee in the
Senate. No thanks, I will take Hatch warts and all.
I'm not an advocate of term limits but I am in favor of no more then 2 terms for
any of these scoundrels. They work for us, they're public servants lets hold
them accountable. Orin Hatch like Bob Bennett has over stayed his welcome.
I used to be a fan of Senator Hatch -- until he started pandering to the crowd
with torches and pitchforks.
Hatch reflects what Utah wants. If Utah doesn't want Hatch, then nothing will
Hatch is what you want him to be. If you don't like him, you have only
yourselves to blame.
When I seriously consider what is best for Utah and for America - especially
when it comes to dealing with the complex issues that now face this nation - I
have to admit that I prefer a man of experience over some inexperienced idealist
with an agenda. I will vote for Senator Hatch.
I've never been a big fan of Hatch, but I resent the idea that my senator has to
cater to an extreme right wing of one political party in my state. Hatch should
be more moderate to represent us all. The best things he did in my opinion were
his work with Senator Kennedy on a variety of issues. Then there was reasonable
immigration reform as promoted by W. Bush and Sen. McCain. I also appreciated
Sen. Hatch's original sponsorship of the Dream Act before he had to abandon that
in fear of the extremists in his own party who plan to do him in through the
caucus process so easily dominated by a motivated minority. Minorities do not
rule in our system. We all have to learn to work together to find our common
ground as Americans. I'd like to see Senator stand up for all of us, not cave in
to those he fears in his own party.
Nobody wants Hatch re-elected: The Dems don't want him back because he is a
senior GOP senator. The Repubs (aka T-Party) don't want him back because he is a
senior GOP senator.
Mike Richards: "As usual, the Liberals and the Democrats are telling us
Republicans what to do with a Republican Senator."No Mike, they
are expressing their opinions about what they think Republicans should do with
Senator Hatch. Like it or not, EVERYONE in the state, Tea Party, Republican,
Democrat, Libertarian, Socialist, Communist, conservative or liberal has the
right to voice their opinion about a man who represents them ALL. Everyone has
a voice in this, if not a vote, since the Republicans keep closed caucuses. You
are just as free to express your opinion about ANY political candidate or policy
position out there, as you often do.But, don't tell others they
don't have the right to express their opinions about your candidates or policies
and then call it hypocrisy when they do so- that IS hypocrisy of the highest
You know, I have no issue what so ever with someone being willing to learn and
modify their opinions based on good honest debate and learning. What I have an
issue with though is selling out your own beliefs in order to appease popular
trends.Unfortunately appeasement is the flavor of the day, with the
silly packs and pledges certain not-to-be-named groups like to pass around. I
in particular don't like acts like death bed election acts such as which Romney
didn't by joining the NRA just before running for president. Evidently being an
NRA member wasn't necessary to run for office in MA, but for US president, it
was.I don't know if Hatch's swings are driven by real thoughtful
soul searching, or the result of the latest reading of the polls. I would hope
that at his stage in life, he would stop bending to who yells the loudest. But
that is what the conservatives have right now, a group of angry, blame someone
else, yell at the top of your lungs, hate anyone who sees the world differently,
pledge mandating voters. A world where seeing the other side is viewed as
Senator Hatch has done a superb job, for Utah and the United States. His values
represent those of Utah to a T (not T as in Party). At a time when a socialist
president sits in the White House, we'd be nuts to kick Hatch out. He is one of
the few members of Congress with the clout and the vision to really challenge
the Obama crowd.
The question is, who can have the greatest positive sustaining force over the
long haul? Are we willing to throw out the influence we have because of Hatch?
For most of us conservatives, I don't think we are willing to take the risk. I
have seen Hatch in countless hearings stand up for the values most of us cherish
most, and for the most part he remains strong and respectful (but not always) at
the same time. Hatch doesn't know me personally, but he or his staff has always
responded to my questions and concerns with careful thought and consideration -
even if we didn't agree 100%. The one recommendation I'd like to
make to Senator Hatch is that he consider having regular web conferences where
we can hear his insights and share our perspectives (e.g., online questions,
Based on the way Obama is signing all the legislation the Republicans are force
feeding him I can see why the unions and liberals are concerned about their
standard-bearer. Obama just scrapped his EPA smog rules. When faced with a
threat Obama caves.
do youselves a favor and vote him out !
I honor and respect Senator Hatch for the good he has done, but regretfully, I
have to agree with the author of this letter. When Bob Bennett complained that
"They've taken away my career." it was a perfect indication of what
happens if you are in Washington too long. You forget that you are to be a
citizen-servant. Serve for one or two terms and then go home and do some good
there. Don't be career politicians. Be statesmen.
My issue with Bro. Hatch, besides his hypocritical statement regarding how long
Sen. Moss had served when Hatch first ran for the US Senate, is his inability to
judge character. How many times have we seen Hatch trot himself out, along with
other Republican leaders, in support of a sitting Congressman who is the cause
of some scandal (thinking of Tom Foley), giving his support as the accused
denies his actions? If Hatch supports his fellow Congressmen when they are
eventually convicted of their crimes, how can I trust Hatch regarding matters
where personal integrity is under scrutiny? I no longer trust the man, and to a
degree, I am ashamed I ever did and I wonder if he is a politician or a
statesman. But I know the answer already.
All of you that are castigating the tea party or whoever else you want to
denouce because they believe in limited government need to stop and evaluate
what country you live in and what are its foundatons. Anyone that actually
believes in liberty and personal responsibility and individual charity are
somehow evil, according to you! If you don't believe in socialism,tyranny, and
compulsion, you are an extremist. If you believe in individual responsibility,
states' rights, or local decision making, you must be an anarchist or
prehistoric dinosour. If people like you are reminded that this country was
based on the very model you seem to hate, you fly into a rant about how horrible
people are that believe it. How about you stopping wanting to delegate your
religion and individual responsibility to our government and start doing
individually what you want us to do collectively? Tell me, where in the
constitution or in humanities march toward a better society does it ever state
you get better results by having citizen 'A' tell citizen 'B' what he shall do
for citizen 'c'? Citizen 'B' is the forgotten man. I intend to stand up for
Throw the guy out. Lets get somebody with a proven voting record to run for
senate. I don't know if someone that honest exists in our state though. They are
all neocons or neolibs.
Yes, and Wimmer leans farther right then the tea party. We could secede with
Texas, but then there governor would be president.
In the old days it was the John Birchers who controlled Utah politics, now it is
the tea party.If we diagram out the political spectrum we see that
Birchers and Tea Party members are placed right of the classic conservatives.
This is not only what Teddy Roosevelt called the lunatic fringe, but it is also
just a tad left of real live breathing Fascists.Utah is the most
conservative state in the Union. It is ultra conservative--with a strong
states rights tradition----even a confederate soul.
EsquireIf term limits is good for the president, then it should be
good for congress.
Hatch has realized he has boondoggled the voters in Utah for 30+ years and is
now trying to get new spots. He has become part of the "good ole boys and
girls" network. He needs to be defeated, better never make it out of the
convention. No, I am not a tea party member and I am not a women's libber. He
has been there tooooooooooo long.
Hatch will get the nomination because Utah conservatives are too busy with their
circular firing squads and witch-burnings to field a non-bonkers alternative.With Hatch on the ballot, he'll waltz to a second term because 60% of
Utah voters robotically select "R" in the voting booth, regardless of
the qualifications of the Democratic opponent.And we're stuck with
Hatch for another 6.
I'm hoping he changes his business card.
Hatch got into office telling us Frank Moss was out of touch because he had been
there too long. Hatch has now been there twice as long. Yet, if he perceived
such a problem to begin with, why has he done nothing to help change the system?
Instead, we are now being told that we shouldn't get rid of Hatch because he has
important seniority that we need! Now that's what I call a double standard.Yes, I'm a Republican and no, I won't vote for Hatch, even if it means not
voting if I can't stomach the Democrat! Hatch should have the decency to step
down but apparently that gets lost in Wash DC
LDS Liberal | 1:02 p.m. Sept. 2, 2011 Farmington, UT Mike Richards |
12:40 p.m. Sept. 2, 2011 South Jordan, Utah re: WHAT NOW? | 12:14
p.m. Sept. 2, 2011 Hypocrisy is defined as people telling us to do
as they say, not as they do.============= Pardon me, but
I missed this one earlier....Kind of like "Saying" they
hate all Government Entitlements [Social Security, Medicare], Then being
the first pigs in line at the feeding trough/hand-outs - because since they paid
into the system - they now feel "Entitled" to those very same
Entitlements?I have to ask -- Are you are Hypocrite?orA
man of integrity? [Defined as; Someone who stays true to his word.]
The Constitution requires amendment by proper process not tea party minority
threats to derail the economy.
Mike Richards | 12:40 p.m. Sept. 2, 2011 South Jordan, Utah re: WHAT
NOW? | 12:14 p.m. Sept. 2, 2011 Hypocrisy is defined as people
telling us to do as they say, not as they do. How can someone who has never
voted for a Republican and who will never vote for a Republican tell those who
vote for Republicans how to vote?============= I voted
for Republicans Mike.And Democrats, and Libertarians, and anyone else I
think best represents me.Because I vote for the PERSON, never the
party.BTW - Orrin Hatch is the Senator of the State of Utah, whether
we voted for him or not.Something you still can't understand or
accept - Like Pres. Obama is YOUR President whether you voted for him or not.That's how Democratic Representive Governments work.Drop your
partisan Party attacks and support the U.S. Constitution.
How can someone who has never voted for a member of the Democratic Party and who
never will vote for a member of the Democratic Party tell those who vote for
members of the Democratic Party how to vote?Some hypocrites do it
re: WHAT NOW? | 12:14 p.m. Sept. 2, 2011 Hypocrisy is defined as
people telling us to do as they say, not as they do. How can someone who has
never voted for a Republican and who will never vote for a Republican tell those
who vote for Republicans how to vote?Free speech does not disqualify
hypocrites from being hypocrites. It just lets the rest of us know who those
"...They ask re-Publicans the same hard questions they ask representatives
from the Democratic Party...?".Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity,
Mark Levin, Laura Ingraham, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, Glenn Beck, Michael
Savage as well as other FOX "Hosts" treat members of the Democratic
Party with the same respect they give to members of the re-Publican Party?FOX is not a propaganda machine for the re-Publican Party?"...So who should you trust...?".Trust, but verify,
seems to be the prudent course of action, no matter which side of the aisle you
find yourself.When you "trust" what Hatch says and then
"verify" what he has done, the resulting "cognitive
dissonance" is astounding.
"...they think they have the right to tell the rest of us...".1st Amendment Rights only apply to re-Publicans?What total
Hatch has been a reliable conservative the whole time that he's been in the
Senate. He's got a 91% Conservative rating which is in the top 15. Yes he's
been involved with some legislation over the years that the Tea Partiers don't
like, but that was due to trying to water it down so the Democrats didn't get
their way. SCHIP is a great example of that. The democrats originally wanted
what amounted to socialized medicine for all under the age of 21. Hatch turned
it into a good piece of legislation that benefits those who actually need it.Six years ago, he gave a talk in my living room to state delegates. He
stated at that time that there were only about 35 reliable conservatives in the
Senate. That was when the Senate was in Republican hands. He stated that too
many of the other Republicans, John McCain among them, didn't vote with the
Republicans at critical times.Bottom line, this letter writer is so
mis-informed that the letter is almost laughable. Hatch has the best
constituent help of all the delegation. He helps more people combined than the
others. He's done a great job, so far.
Why won't Sen. Hatch retire gracefully and let someone else have a chance to
serve?Senate elections SHOULDN'T result in lifetime appointments.
Think of how much good his financial warchest could be to OTHER conservative
causes.Why not retire and do something different Senator? You're
denying others the right to help lead our country.
His total support of Bush and the unfunded Iraq war was brillant!
It's too bad tea party advocates didn't follow the original premise of the
"real" tea party. It was a protest against corporate privilege more
than a tax protest. Now it's a protest for corporate privilege more than a tax
protest. Orrin is like a wind mill always pointing as the wind blows.
An outsiders Utahan perspective - Perhaps only in Utah Senator Hatch is not
appreciated for his leadership and sterling qualities. Not so elsewhere! You
are dead wrong in castigating Senator Hatch. He is one of the few true
Statsemen in Congress who stives to do what is right! He has served Utah and
this Nation well in helping to turn the tide of out of control spending and
politics as usuall in Washington. He deserves Utah's repect and appreciation for
all the good that he has done as an US Senator. One may well say BRAVO Senator
@ KM, how does a Senator serve 8 years unless s/he resigns midterm? Is that
what we want? And it you are into term limits, then vote them out instead of
sending the same people (and party) election after election (at the state and
To "LDS Liberal | 9:21 a.m. " yes, lets look at the Conservative talk
show hosts. They have the audacity of hold Republicans to the same standard
that they hold Democrats to.They ask Republicans the same hard
questions that they ask the Democrats.Now take a look at MSNBC,
CNBC, ABC, CNN, or any liberal "journalist". They all have double
standards when it comes to reporting on or interviewing conservatives. They
have become propaganda machines for the Democrat party.So, who
should you trust more, the guy who is equally hard on Republicans and Democrats,
or the propaganda machiene for the DNC?
As usual, the Liberals and the Democrats are telling us Republicans what to do
with a Republican Senator. They didn't vote for Mr. Hatch and they won't vote
for Mr. Hatch, but they think that they have the right to tell the rest of us
that we must vote for Mr. Hatch.What total hypocrisy!
35 years ago, as a young college student, I listened as Orrin Hatch made the
case for ousting Frank Moss from office and "criticized Moss's 18-year
tenure in the Senate, saying that many Senators, including Moss, had lost touch
with their constituents." So the people of Utah kicked native Utahn Frank
Moss out of office, even though he stood for the same principles as most Utahns.
His crime was carrying a 'D' in front of his name. Now after 36
years of Pennsylvania native Orrin Hatch's representation in the Senate what are
we hearing, "...Utah conservatives (have) finally had enough of being
ignored for five of every six years by a Washington-insider senator..."Huh. I guess history repeats itself! But will his replacement have a
'T' in front of his/her name? Will it take more than three decades to make the
same assessment about that choice?
lost in DC | 8:55 a.m. Sept. 2, 2011 West Jordan, UT the very first
step in propaganda is to paint your enemy as being as evil as possible, to
reduce them to a subhuman categorizationthe dems and MSM have
followed this strategy to a T when talking about the tea party ====================== The Tea Partiers - along with their AM Hate
radio Propogandists - Limbaugh, Beck, and Hannity - have done that to
themselves.Seriously - Try looking at what they do to President
Obama, Democrats, and any other American who disagrees with them...even their
Republican own.The political assasination of former Senator Bob
Bennett comes quickly to mind.Democrats and and the "liberal
media" had NOTHING to do with that.
I'm smiling and shaking my head and hoping that Hatch is forced to retire from a
job that should have lasted 6-8 years tops. Term limits, baby!
the very first step in propaganda is to paint your enemy as being as evil as
possible, to reduce them to a subhuman categorizationthe dems and
MSM have followed this strategy to a T when talking about the tea party
The tea party and the swarm at the that stomped there feet to get rid of Bennett
are on a temporary power trip. Yes they scare Hatch, but not the majority of
reasonable commonsense people.
Who cares about conservatives? The radical right who control the party do not
represent the mainstream of Utah. My thing with Orrin is that his number one
concern is Orrin. He loves the power and attention, but there is a time to
retire (which I've heard is the preference of his wife). The biggest problem is
the extremists will select someone worse. It really is a terrible conundrum for
Utah, isn't it?
If the Tea Partiers wanted to take out Hatch they should have given Bennett a
pass and gone after Hatch first. By getting rid of Bennett, it gave Hatch plenty
of time to change his tone, and to start working behind the scenes to out flank
the inexperienced Tea Party crowd. Hatch may disingenuous in his statements,
but he is sly as a fox when it comes to retaining power.
The notion that Hatch is insufficiently conservative is beyond ridiculous.What genuinely is an embarrassment to our state is the way we allow a
tiny number of zealots to control the process of selecting candidates. That
debacle has left us with Lee in the senate, and for that I am truly ashamed to
be called a Utahn.
Utah is known as the Fraud Capitol of the US. I believe Hatch reflects
"Utah Values" very well.
Orrin is pandering desperately to the Tea Party members as they represent his
only threat. He continues to ignore Utahns that he has done for years with the
Tea Party being the exception.Too bad for the rest of the state that
would like to see a change in Washington. Hatch has proved he is not willing to
go to the mat to do what is best for the country but he does do what is best for
Wrong -- Two years ago, a critical mass of Tea Party Extremeists
high-jacked the GOP nomination.Bob Bennett would have beat Mike Lee
by a landslide in a Primary Election run-off.That's the facts.But I agree, Sen. Hatch is a Two-face, having to deal with more dirty Party
Politics here at home than back in Washington D.C.
When Hatch claimed to be an "original TEA Party guy" on FOX News a few
days ago, I knew we as a nation were on the verge of total insanity. Thanks for
Ginsburg Orin, every time you have a "chat" with the liberals in
Washington we lose something else never to be gained without a lot of suffering.
I sure hope the good people of UTAH can see through your compromising and
replace you with someone who will represent the conservative values of the
citizens of Utah instead of the citizens of San Fransisco, Boston and the likes.