Some rather crazy comments... transnational American indians? What?!?Anyway, I think many of you are reading waaaay too much into this article.
This article isn't about the modern State of Israel, Palestinians, or anything
of the sort. Dr. Peterson simply speaks out against anti-Semitism. Dr.
Peterson has only authored one book and it happens to be a very pro-Muslim book
titled "Muhammed: Prophet of God." If you google Dr. Peterson you can
find him discussing Islam, there are even some radio recordings, and he
completely rejects, for example, the sort of rhetoric heard from persons like
Glenn Beck. Dr. Peterson is very pro-Muslim. As for his specific thoughts on
the Israel-Palestine issue, perhaps someone should just ask him since that seems
to be what most are concerned about.And also note, semites include
Arabs, not just Jews. And what's a Jew in the BOM context, are we talking blood
or religion? Does it matter? BTW there are more Jews in the USA than Israel.
nick said "Joseph Fielding Smith argued that Mormons have been adopted into
the remnant of Jacob."That is not correct. Joseph Fielding
Smith's words are still taught in chapters 21 and 25 of the current Doctrines of
the Gospel Institute Manual. The great majority of those who become
members of the Church are literal descendants of Abraham through Ephraim, son of
Joseph. Those who are not literal descendants ... when they are baptized and
confirmed they are grafted into the tree and are entitled to all the rights and
privileges as heirs"It is essential in this dispensation that
Ephraim stand in his place at the head, exercising the birthright in Israel
which was given to him by direct revelation." It is Ephraim,
today, who holds the priesthood. It is with Ephraim that the Lord has made
covenant and has revealed the fulness of the everlasting gospel. It is Ephraim
who is building temples and performing the ordinances in them for both the
living and for the dead."Mormonism teaches that they are above
the Jews because they are from Ephraim. Except for the American Indian. They
have a lesser status because they are from Manasseh.
I am Jewish and have been fascinated by the philo-Semitism in the LDS religion.
I had always assumed that all religions are anti-Semitic, but experiences with
many Mormons have convinced me that the philo-Semitism among Mormons is broad
and deep. Even though I have read many explanations for philo-Semitism, I am
not confident that I fully understand how it began and why it has persisted.
This particular article was send to me by an LDS friend. Of course, I liked the
article very much. It might give me a broader understanding of philo-Semitism
if Mr. Peterson could provide more information about his motivation for writing
To Michael: I totally disagree with you. Though I am also American Indian I do
not agree with the level that many of them have taken against the US Government
or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I firmly and totally
believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of our Heavenly Father and another
testament of the Divinity of Jesus Christ. Therefore, I am repulsed by your
accussations.Maybe you should really research things before you put
on such a tirade. Unlike some I have researched and find nothing about the Book
of Mormon or its members that degrades the American Indian. Many of your fellow
brethren in South and Central America are accepting the Gospel of Jesus Christ
everyday.I stand with the Book of Mormon and the LDS Church. I come
through the Cherokee and the Commanche. My heritage walked on the trail of
tears and I am a descendant of the Last War Chief of the Commanche. I accept
things as they are and find it quite interesting that we are descendants of
Joseph. Do you have any real proof we are not? The answer is no.
The United States government believed that the way to "civilize" the
American Indian was to make them Christian. Many now realize and admit how wrong
that was. But Mormonism continues to teach that the American Indian
is in a fallen and degraded state unless they become Mormon. The teachings of
the BofM indicate that the beautiful, rich and ancient traditions of America's
indigenous people are considered false traditions of the fathers. The American Indian is blamed for what happened and still happens to them with
the fantasy, pseudo-history notion that their ancestors had turned against
Christianity and killed off the righteous followers of Jesus before Columbus
came. Such ideas are disgusting in the 21st century. Mormonism
carries an extreme view directed toward America's indigenous people. Mormonism
teaches that America's indigenous people are fallen Hebrews who can only become
pure and delightsome by becoming Mormon.These bold statements that
you refer to in LDS scriptures are from whose God? The myths from the Near East
should not be imposed on a beautiful people in the Americas. Religions that do
not believe in Jesus are just as valid as Mormonism. No other mainstream
Christian church degrades indigenous traditions like Mormonism.
Hi Michael,I will try to respond to your feelings, because you are
very justified to feel the way you do. The only correction I might offer to your
statement is to replace "Mormon" with "Christian." The Book
of Mormon does not speak of Mormons, rather Mormon is the prophet who compiled
the book.That being said, I never understand how non-believers call
Jesus a great teacher. He was either the Son of God incarnate, or he was an
arrogant buffoon. Jesus repeatedly said things like, "I am the way, the
truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." No
non-believer can take statements like this in any other fashion than the way you
react to the Book of Mormon.It all comes down to these questions: Is
Jesus the Christ and Savior of the world? Did the Father and the Son appear to
Joseph Smith and give him commandments? Is the Book of Mormon Christ's words to
ancient prophets and translated by Joseph Smith?From the beginning
of Genesis to the last revelation in the Doctrine and Covenants, God makes bold
statements. Jesus is the Christ. This Latter-day Saints believe.
The American Indians are not Hebrew but the BofM claims they are. The Book of Mormon teaches that Europeans would come to America, scatter and
nearly destroy the indigenous people because they were no longer Christian. If
the Indians become Mormon they will blossom as a rose. The title page of the
Book of Mormon says it is written to America's indigenous people (Lamanites).
They can become pure and delightsome if they become LDS (implying that they are
impure and unpleasant if they are not Mormon). This is a perverted idea
resembling anti-Semitism, directed at America's indigenous people. The indigenous American people who do not accept Mormonism's pseudo-history
are still under the curse of their ancestors according to the BofM. The BofM
needs to be discarded. There is no place in the 21st century for this disgusting
Valjean:You miss the point. Everyone of these groups, including the
Jews, have been at each others throats over the centuries, debating who really
is favored of God. The Phrase "what thank ye the Jews for the bible",
comes from 2 Nephi chapter 29. It is part of Nephi's alleged prophecy of the
apostasy and religious turmoil present in Joseph Smith's day. When many of the
protestants who reject the Mormon message will say "a bible, a bible, we
have got a bible". In that moment, Nephi rebukes the protestants for having
reviled against the Jews. He fails to recognize that the most important part of
the Bible, even as per his theology, would be the personal life and ministry of
Jesus Christ - and we didn't get that from the Jews. Particularly not the
preservation of such over 2000 years. No, we have the protestants, the
Catholics, the scribes, and the creeds, to thank for that. He is
also speaking about how the Book of Mormon is to fulfill God's covenant with a
portion of the house of Israel (Nephi's alleged descendants), those who are
despised by the protestants...except we don't think they really exist anymore?
"what thank ye the catholics for preserving the Christian texts""what thank ye the reformers for making the bible available to the
lay reader""what thank ye gutenberg for the printing
press"Excellent questions. We should be thankful for all these
things. Some of us are and have actually expressed our gratitude."Dan Peterson's article ignores the implications Der Judenstaat has for
the Palestinian (and other) peoples of the Middle East. From their perspective,
the Jewish occupation is a more blatant violation of national and ethnic
sovereignty than the occupation by Europeans of the Americas."Except that Jews have always constituted a substantial percentage of the
population of Palestine, and either payed for the Arab lands they took or took
them when they were abandoned by Arabs fleeing to join their enemies who were
intent on eradicating them. "Religion poisons
everything."Was it religion that poisoned your own attitude?
Vanka:Peterson is, if I'm not mistaken, an Arabist. I doubt that
he's unaware of the Palestinian and other Arabs.But these are short
columns. There's only so much a writer can DO in one of them.And
what has religion got to do with Zionism? It was a secular nationalism, by and
large, just like other nineteenth-century nationalisms. The first Zionists and
the founders of the state of Israel were, on the whole, not practicing,
religious Jews.Even Peterson's article points out that Theodore
Herzl was a SECULARIZED Jew. So was Dreyfus, I think, as well.
New Yorker objects to Nick's "confounding" of groups, scriptures and
argument "that Mormons somehow are chosen by God" to inherit North
America.Nick objects to the claim that Jews are "God's Chosen
people".Dan Peterson's article ignores the implications Der
Judenstaat has for the Palestinian (and other) peoples of the Middle East. From
their perspective, the Jewish occupation is a more blatant violation of national
and ethnic sovereignty than the occupation by Europeans of the Americas.And everybody claims as their justification for displacing OTHERS the
mandate of being Gods chosen people. Chosen for what? To do whatever you want to
OTHERS; to displace them, to occupy their lands, to take their resources and
ways of life.Everyone except the atheists are claiming authority and
justification from God for the horrors they are inflicting on OTHERS. Religion
Why would God, father of us all and no-respector of persons, have a "chosen
covenant people" distinguishable from all others of those whom he created
as equal heirs? Why would he not likewise abhor those acts of persecution
against any other groups and societies? I mean if we are going to following that
line of thinking, couldn't we also say:"what thank ye the
catholics for preserving the Christian texts" or"what thank ye the reformers for making the bible available to the lay
reader"or"what thank ye gutenberg for the
printing press"etc.Why does God play favorites like
What a great blessing it would be for all Native Americans to have transnational
status. It would completely turn around their economics. Instead of being
marginalized and discriminated against, the current nations would compete for
them to prevent brain drain and loss of human resources.nick - No, a
land doesn't "automatically belong to the people who occupy it, even though
they took it from another." The only justification for giving it lock,
stock, and barrel to the European conquers is that they had the power to take
it. And that is no justification at all. Your confounding of groups, scriptures,
and argument that Mormons somehow are chosen by God to inherit instead of the
Native Americans, is no argument at all. However the Europeans always have used
any justification at all, regardless of how unjust it may be.
Whoa--way to hijack an article about the Book of Mormon supporting the Jews into
a political statement advocating opening our borders! That's quite a stretch.
I appreciate the reminder of the Book of Mormon's teachings on the
Jews. Still scratching my head over the "people without a
The point is, there is recorded in the Book of Mormon scriptures, God's warning
concerning unthankfulness, hatred and evil actions toward His Covenant people.
This particular scripture, quoting the Lord, is no small warning and it should
resound as penetrating to the ear, heart and mind as do the Ten Commandments.
History attest that the Jews have suffered terribly man's injustice and cruelty.
Tyranical and unjust regimes, past and future would have done well, and will do
well to heed such authoritative, mandated directive and warning.
Former BYU Professor John Sorenson's monumental work on migrations to the New
World clearly proves that scores of groups/tribes/peoples immigrated to the New
World during the past 3,000 years. Each group often contended with and, in some
cases, replaced the peoples who preceeded them. Kurt's reasoning is faulty.
Does a land automatically belong to the people who occupy it, even though they
took it from another, earlier group of people? Some of the groups
were nearly extinguished such as the Jaredites and Nephites and other groups
that modern history can document. The Aztecs severely persecuted neighboring
tribes which, in part, led to their conquest when Cortez allied with those
tribes. As part of the Spanish conquest, small pox wiped out nearly 90% of the
indigenous population. Finally, Kurt misreads Nephi. Joseph
Fielding Smith argued that Mormons have been adopted into the remnant of Jacob.
In addition, there has been so much intermarrying between Europeans and native
Americans that it is difficult to classify all people south of the US border as
pure remnant of Jacob. It's been my observation that the ruling classes in
Latin America are of mostly European extraction.
From the Book of Mormon account in 3 Nephi 21, Jesus Christ gave this land to
the remnant of Israel who remain in the latter days (see verse 22). The land
clearly belongs to them.The gentiles, or European and other
immigrants, in the land in the latter days are told that, if they are faithful,
they will be permitted to assist the remnant in building the New Jerusalem (see
verse 23). The New Jerusalem is generally considered to be centered in North
America.If this understanding is correct, then Latter-day Saints
should be advocating passage of a U.S. law and/or a pan-American treaty that
would allow document native Americans throughout North and South America
transnational status.Their current status is as the Jews--people
without a country. The European immigrant populations throughout the Americas
tend to discriminate against them, if not worse.With official
transnational status, they would be able to move, live and work wherever in the
Americas they chose. As least some part of the U.S. "illegal"
immigration issue, would be resolved. After all the Europeans came as the
ultimate illegal aliens and took the land away from native Americans.