It is funny to see the Ute hysteriasts hit the panic button because they thought
they were so special getting invited to the Pac. It was their self deluded
badge of legitimacy and superiority to BYU. And now that BYU is being courted
by an AQ (a better one than the Pac I might add) Their whole world is crumbling
around them. Step away from the ledge Ute trolls, life is still worth living. I
Assistant to the regional Mgr63, what color is the sky in your world of denial.
EVERYONE involved is talking about BYU joining the BIG 12. If that puts a major
dent in your self esteem, then I'm sorry for you. But time to face reality. BYU
has a great program with great tradition. They are respected, especially by the
BIG 12 because of their record against the conference.
Rumors heating up that OU will push for the Pac-16. Fantastic timing for Utah,
if that happened last year they would have been left out. Looks like BYU will
get to try independence long-term (should be OK as long as the super-conferences
don't happen, but long term, I am officially worried if the Pac-16 forms with no
Wow, I am impressed with some of the BYU fans at this website! You bring up
some interesting points in your comments. BTW, the Big XII does not
discriminate against any church-affiliated school. When the University of Texas
was a member of the Southwest Conference, there were 3 member schools with
church affiliation (Baylor, SMU, TCU). In the current Big XII membership,
Baylor is the only private school. LDS church connection would not be a reason
for discriminating against BYU for membership in the Big XII. I believe the Big
XII is looking for a school that has academic and athletic integrity and BYU
certainly meets those requirements. Having a large fan base would also be
important. At Texas home games, it is not uncommon to see at least 100,000 fans
in the stadium.
If BYU leaves the WCC for the Big 12, everyone will call them hypocrites. If BYU
passes on the Big 12 and remains loyal to the WCC, they will be called arrogant
and foolish. BYU cannot win in this scenario. It's too bad the NCAA can't step
in and dissolve all conferences, reorganize them based on geography, and
institute a playoff system.
Sunday is not an issue with football and basketball. I don't know about the Big
12, but since the Dallas Mavericks don't play at home on Sundays (like the
Jazz)I think any conference can work that out too. The only PAC-10 basketball
games in 2010 were non-conference and were choosen by the schools.Can we
keep Women's soccer and volleyball with the WCC if Sunday is an issue?
I don't get the talk of BYU would not fit in the Big 12 due to travel.TCU
joined the BIg East. They are going to rack up a lot of miles there.And what about Hawaii?
It seems we are getting alot of the same type of rumors when the PAC 10 was
expanding. And for the same reasons I believe we will not get invited to the BIG
12. The LDS church connection and no playing on Sundays.
Notre Dame isn't joining since they already have a sweet BCS deal as an
independent. BYU has nothing from the BCS. Carpe Diem - Sieze the Day. The
WCC knows they are just a stepping stone. Hello Big 12 Pleeze!I
want BYU to be in the Big 12 before the Utes take on USC next week. Pleeze.
@nakedtruth,It is already news in this part of the country that BYU
wants to cherish its identity as an independent a la Notre Dame. Also, there
was mention that BYU wants to maintain its loyalty to the WCC.In the
past, I read articles at this website that suggested BYU was not interested in
joining another conference at the moment. BTW, in my previous
comment, I had no intention of using double negatives. I am sure that most who
read my comment would have understood me to say that I would not be surprised if
the Big XII decided to go with another team to invite for membership. As it
stand now, BYU is far outside the Big XII footprint and traveling costs would be
an issue. As for those Ute fans who post at this website, you should
consider yourselves lucky for the Pac 10 invitation. The Pac 10 only invited
you to save face after Texas (and the rest of the Big XII South Division) turned
down the invitation.
It's hilarious to read all the speculations from the trolls and the fans. I'm
sure BYU will do what's in the best interest of the institution....Now let's not dwell on this, but enjoy some football. Good luck
mgr63 said,"There is no talk about BYU joining the Big 12 other
than by wanton Y fans hoping for some relevance in this world."I guess that lead story yesterday on SportsCenter about Texas A&M leaving
the Big XII and BYU being a leading candidate to replace them was just a figment
of my wanton imagination! Or, maybe wanton Y fans have infiltrated
the studios of ESPN in Bristol, CT and are now in control of the "Worldwide
Leader"! It all makes sense, you know, considering BYU was able to sign
such a lucrative long-term contract with ESPN that they didn't deserve!!! Darn
BYU fans hacking the brains of otherwise reasonably thinking sports
Re: UT4Big12I'm not exactly not confused by reading your comments.
Double negatives are fun though, aren't they?When and where has BYU
stated that they will not entertain offers to join the Big XII, or any other
conference for that matter?
I am a big Longhorn fan and supporter. After reading this article, I will not
be surprised if the Big XII does not extend an invitation to BYU. The Big XII will only go after schools who have not already announced publicly
their intention not to join the conference if an invitation were extended. BYU
has already made such announcements to the media and it will now be a waste of
time for the Big XII to consider BYU for membership. I still have
great respect for your program. Good luck with being independent.
While I am not so sure I would want BYU to go to the Big12, I like independence,
I LOVE watching the ute trolls panic over this. Posts by those trolls are
hilarious to read and make reading each new article worthwhile even if no new
news is included.LOL!
Of course the Big 12 is talking to BYU. We would make any conference better.
@ Go CoogzWhat is being said in public is not what is being said
behind closed doors. This was a smart to come out and say this. It curbs the
questions that they would otherwise get everyday, every hour. BYU is smart, the
B12 is smart... they are working behind closed doors. No worries!
Here is what will happen.BYU will go to the BIG 12. The exit of
Texas A&M will lead to the dissolution of the Big 12.The SEC, PAC-12,
and BIG Ten will pick up the piecesBYU will be left behind.Just say no.
I love watching the u fans squirm because of the possibility of byu going to the
big 12. What would they have to crow about, no longer we are bcs and you aren't.
Scared to death that the big 12 might invite. Funny!!
Big-12 will become very "big"....as in big mid-majors after Texas and
OK leave.A&M leaves first. Then, BYU will join.Texas and
OK will leave.SUU, SMU, UH will join.Big-12 will be
There is no talk about BYU joining the Big 12 other than by wanton Y fans hoping
for some relevance in this world. The buzz that many people are talking about is
the U of Houston joining the Big 12. Also,there is talk of not having anyone
join at all.......certainly not adding BYU. They don't fit in in this
Flynn, You're just wrong. Holmoe was referring to the MWC who told them they
would be able to rebroadcast their own games, and then didn't allow it. Had
nothing to do w/Fresno St and Nevada.
Independence is not the long term answer!! If the Big 12 can make some
assurances as to its stability, and if BYU can keep its TV deal, they should
accept. Holmoe has already been talking about how hard it is to schedule as an
independent. Big 12 = much easier path to BCS. Only down side is they may have
to drop some of their future scheduled games.
What ever. I'm looking forward to the season and trust BYU in whatever
decisions are made.
The statement came because people want the sports office to field interviews to
ask the same question that has to do with another question that has not been
asked. This is their way of saying, when there is news we can talk. I doubt BYU
would jump at any offer right now anyway. They might after a year or two on the
outside if it doesn't turn out well for them, but it will turn out well for them
so what is the point.
In a recent interview that discussed some of the details of BYU going
independent, Tom Holmoe said, "And it is hard to do business with people
that tell you one thing, and sign their name on it, and then don't do it. It is
hard to do business with those people. " That was in response to what
happened with Nevada and Fresno St. Now that the shoe is on the other foot,
what about the WCC? What about the dozens of games scheduled for 2012-2017? I,
for one would rather see BYU remain independent than get BCS access through
hypocrisy. To my fellow Cougar fans- stop the obsession with the
FOOLS GOLD that is the Big12 in its current state. Let's see how things shake
out in the next few years. The 2011 and 2012 home schedules will be rough years
for locals, but it will get better.
I cannot figure out a 16 team conference. In a 12 team conference,
each team plays 5 division games, and 3 non-division games, for 8 conference
games, leaving room for 3 to 4 non-conference games. This schedule allows you
to play each team in the conference at least once at home and once on the road
every 4 years, which is important for recruiting. In a 16 team
conference, each team plays 7 division games, and even if they play only 2
non-division games for 9 conference games, they leave room for only 2 to 3
non-conference games. But this schedule means that to make it through the
entire 8 non-division schools, you only play them once every 4 years, and only
once every 8 years in each stadium. In order to play home and away every four
years, it would take 4 non-division games, for a total of 11 conference games.
So say goodbye to either conference recruiting or the non-conference schedule
(and so say goodbye to non-AQs being relevant at all).
And why are we even considering canning our ESPN deal? No BCS team can claim
they will be on ESPN 22 times over the next two years. No one! Except BYU.We have a good thing Cougar fans!Stay independent!!
Stay Independent!!The Big 9 has lost Nebraska, Colorado, and Texas
A&M. Yes, Texas and Oklahoma remain, but the conference is gutted. And, will
Texas and Oklahoma really remain? They hold all the cards and could change
course on a dime. BYU would look pretty dumb at that point. Then what?
Conference USA? Just stay put. BYU has a good thing as an independent.I like the direction of playing schools all throughout the nation. The
schedule is building (Notre Dame, Texas, Georgia Tech, West Virginia, Texas ...)
and we will see great schedules. Yes, we have Idaho and San Jose State on the
schedule, but those issues will go away in the next couple of years. The
schedule will get meatier. Stay patient our fellow friends in happy valley. The
schedule will improve for the home games.My ultimate wish list is
that the Big 12 will implode and that Texas and Oklahoma will go independent. I
would also like to see Air Force go independent to join its military buddies. If
this happened, having Notre Dame, Army, Navy, BYU, Texas, Oklahoma, and Air
Force all as independents would be sweet. A built-in schedule would be born.
If the Pac-12 should ever want to expand again, and it likely will when the SEC
and others do, then who can it get in moving to 14 or 16? If he Big XII remains
in tact, and doesn't take BYU to replace Texas A&M, the Pac-12 is stuck with
elevating mid-majors.The Pac-12's only recourse is to preemptively
strike the Bix XII by luring away Texas, Oklahoma, et al. But that depends on
whether Texas and Oklahoma would be interested. Big depends!So,
where does that leave BYU's option with the Bix XII should an offer come? Best
bet is to sit tight, play hard to get, and see where the superconference
landscape lands. Could even end up in the Pac-12!Of all current
mid-majors, BYU has the most to offer any upscaling BCS conference.Or, BYU could just remain independent and sue any conference that tries to
deny them October/November games (anti-trust, or something like it). BYU doesn't
sue, so who knows what they'll do?Exposure? Is it really all about
that? Being in a BCS conference doesn't GUARANTEE that. Not in any way, shape or
There is no point to commenting on the invitation to the Big12 since there has
been no offer. Of course, the media will hype this. Give it time. Nearly
every media outlet list BYU as a strong candidate as well as quotes Big12
officials as confirming that the Cougars are a likely choice. As
for the BYUtv, ESPN, etc....deals can be restructured.
So when so we receive the first Big 12 > PAC 12? Probably not until an
invite. Until then, Independence is still better? I wish D News
would pill the BYU fans. Which would you choose. Independence or Big
12 - 3? My bet would go with the latter.
If the Big XII loses Texas A&M and wants to lure Notre Dame into the fold,
it'd need to lure three other schools at the same time to make ND feel like it's
joining a top-notch 12-team conference that'll be around a long time. It'd need
to be a BCS conference that has the possibility of growing to 14 or 16, rather
than being fodder for other conferences' growth to those numbers.Who
could those three other schools be? The only mid-major possible in that scenario
is BYU. It's the only one with enough cache and wide-spread fan base to be
viable. And, with its own BYUtv network, ND and Texas could both be comfortable
keeping theirs.SMU and Houston bring nothing to the table except for
recruiting competition for Texas, Baylor, and Texas Tech, so no go there.Arkansas isn't likely interested. Are Louisville and Pitt good enough
for ND? BYU would be (re: their future games scheduled with BYU shows they're
interested).Slim pickins for the Big XII to expand with. Seems like
it's a dead conference. ND won't join a dead conference.Gonna be
If the landscape of college football is truly moving toward Superconferences of
16 teams, then BYU has absolutely no need to rush. What will the
Pac12 do? What 4 teams will they pick up in the western half of the US? What
will the Big 12 do at 9 teams, needing 7 more? I really don't seen
any need for concern or any need to rush on BYU's part. The Big 12 needs to do
something to maintain face, and that may mean adding Lousiville to get back to
10 teams. BYU can meanwhile sit back until next Summer and see what other moves
are in the works. The SEC is not done yet! They will be going after
some teams from the ACC and possibly Missouri. The Big 10 is also not done yet
and will continue to work on ND and will look at Big East teams. If
BYU is patient they will end up in a great situation. The teams who keep the
cards in their hands right now, rather than play them (out of fear) will have
the advantage when the actual earthquake happens in the next year or two.
gocoogz: The team, and to a lesser extent, the fans, need to know that the
school administration do not want them to focus on conjecture. They want the
team to focus on what is at hand. If the team is worrying or thinking about
what it would be like to be a part of the Big 12 and are focusing on that, they
will not be focused 100% on winning games in their independence status, which is
where they are at right now. Stop trying to cause discord! I do not care what
you think or feel is best for BYU. What is best for BYU right now is
independence, so let it go.
gocoogz There are two very good things about your statement... 1. It is your opinion and not the opinion of 64,000 fans. 2. It is wonderful you are not the athletic director or someone of
importance in the BYU organization...we would be in trouble.
@Uncle Rico: The FOX-Sports deal with the Big 12 is for 2nd tier rights.
ESPN/ABC still retains 1st tier rights, and 3rd tier rights are for individual
school networks like the Longhorn Network or BYUtv.As for the WCC
I'm certain they will benefit from BYU, even if it is for just a year. Look for
the Big 12 and BYU to give them a boat load of OOC games in November-December
2012 if BYU doesn't stay there another year. It was signed as a short term deal
(5 years max) and becomes null and void should BYU receive an accpetable BCS-AQ
league invitation.As for the football 2012 schedule, there will have
to be no doubt some adjustments, but after looking at how my season tickets were
priced this year for the WAC dregs of NCAA division-1/FBS (&FCS...Idaho
State) I'll gladly take Okalhoma or even Iowa State and Baylor compared to
Idaho, New Mexico State etc...
@OutsideviewYour view must be REALLY outside. BYU has already
proved that it can compete with teams in the Big 12 conference (not to mention
the Pac 12.) Yes, playing Texas and OU every year will be tough, but then
that's the point. Who else is BYU really going to struggle with in football?
Kansas? K-state? Baylor? It's a good fit for BYU and they will compete very
Watch everyone squirm. Wait! Independence is better!Wait! Big 12 is bigger than Oprah!
I wonder how quickly the tune will change if BYU gets into the BIG 12 and ends
up in the lower end of the conference in both FB and BB every year. Some fans
just seem to think that BYU will continue to win as they have in the past. It
Bronco has said that being independent is more in line with the mission of the
Church. I agree. If BYU joins any BCS conference then it will lose at least one
fan. So its me or the $billions - take your choice. I wore blue during the week
of the game with UGA while teaching classes for UGA and never offended anyone.
One of the UGA players told me that he visited BYU with his teammates- the Oats
boys. Of course they all felt pity for me before the game. Things changed as the
game progressed however. Two ladies were sitting behind me and close to the end
of the game, she said to her friend "that just can't be those little boys
who ride around on bicycles out there". BYU earned nothing but respect from
the UGA fans. It was a very positive experience. Stay independent and hold to
Rico,the Longhorn Network is affiliated with ESPN. BYU's network is
independent (there's that word) of ESPN. Their games are on ESPN, but the
reruns are on BYUtv. Trust me, the ESPN contract has a clause dealing with the
Cougars becoming part of a BCS conference.Antelope Valley, you
must've used all of your internet time reading and posting here, because
national outlets and outlets in other states have been covering the possibility
of BYU to the Big-12 every since A&M was first rumored to be leaving.
Whether than invitation comes or is accepted are different matters.
BYU will need some assurance that the conference will stay intact before they
will consider a move. However, all indications are that Texas and Oklahoma are
not moving. With Texas and Oklahoma together, the conference will remain
intact.Texas just launched their network and Oklahoma just sunk $5
million into developing the Sooner network. BYUtv will fit right in. No other
conference will allow them to have their own TV network.There is
more speculation in Texas that the Big 12 will pick up 3 teams and go back to
12. The conference championship in Cowboy Stadium is worth megabucks. The
addition of three teams will give some confidence to the Cougars that the
conference will stay together.I think you'll see some type of
concession, like BYU will play in the WCC for the next two years and football
will move next year. I hope we can keep the Notre Dame games on the schedule.
I wonder if the Big12 is going to have the decency to give Weber State a
courtesy call and inform them they are not going to be invited to join the Big12
at this time.
Re: CougarOnTheProwlThe Big 12 has a long term deal with Fox Sports.
There is no way to keep both BYUs tv deal and the Big 12 tv deal.
In saying what was said, BYU said nothing. They neither confirmed nor denied.
That is a great stand and anyone who takes offense to such a statement of
nothing should go back to the drawing board to see where they are going wrong in
the world chest deep in petty.
ESPN just reported on sportscenter that BYU is the leading candidate to replace
Texas A&M. They also stated that its unlikely that the Big 12 will look at
in-state teams such SMU or TCU because they want to expand to another Market.
They also mentioned Pittsburgh and Louisville as candidates but they dont see
either Arkansas or Notre Dame being interested. Should be interesting to see how
it all plays out, I personally hope that BYU accepts the invite if and when it
officially comes provided the Big 12 is stable and allows BYU to keep its
current tv deal.
Reading between the lines the statement says this:Dear fans, we
don't have an invitation yet from the Big 12. Hey Big 12 we will consider
joining but can we get the show on the road so we can concentrate on the season?
Hey WCC, we respect you but can you blame us if we take an offer this good?
We'll let you know when we join.
There is no reason to not go to the Big 12. What's the worst that could happen?
The conference dissolves and they go independent again? No question Big 12 is
better than independence.
I don't think it has been in the long term plans for BYU to remain as an
independent. I think it is a carefully crafted "vanilla" statement
since BYU is different than SMU and isn't crawling out of the still smoldering
nuclear crater of the NCAA death penalty imposed back in 1987-88. SMU has
without question crossed some of their C-USA partners, and BYU will do what they
can to not do similar to their WCC partners even though this is all happening
much earlier than Tom Holmoe or anyone in the BYU administration thought a year
ago. All assumptions in the press in Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and Missouri is
that BYU is the likely replacement. Even the beat reporters at ESPN, David
Ubben and Andrea Adelson are now projecting BYU to become part of the Big 12.
Despite what some BYU disliking naysayers try to say, it will probably be a done
deal by next week.
I think the statement was to ease the influx of media inquiries. And I wouldn't
worry about offending the Big 12 -- I'm sure if BYU is in conversations with the
Big 12, they have talked with them about how they will proceed (including
releasing these types of vanilla statements). We just have to be patient and
sit back and wait. That's the tough part.
Funny how local media is turning this into a circus act??? When rumor swirled
Utah may be gingo to the Pac-10, you heard it on ESPN.com and on ESPN TV,
CNNSI,com, MSNBC.com, and USA Today, to name a few national media outlets. I
haven't seen or heard anything about BYU going to the Big 12 from any national
I agree that BYU should not beg like SMU, but I hope they are showing interest
behind the scenes. It would be a great opportunity, and if it passes by because
BYU refuses to politic, Holmoe will go down in history as the guy who let BYU
miss out on a major conference re-alignment right before the whole landscape
changes. There will be no room for independents if the super-conferences happen.
As a Ute fan I think it would be great to have two BCS schools in the state.
Although I feel the Big 12 is far better than independence, that assumes the big
12 stays in tact and that is where the rub is.
I for one think this is dumb. Why issue a statement. Just sit back and see what
happens and let others speculate. BYU's loyalty to the WCC may look like a
disinterest in the BIG 12. Stop trying not to offend 8 WCC institutions and
start worrying about the 64000+ supporters who support you week in and week out
and who ultimately pay your salaries. We are the ones who will have to sit
through a dreadful home schedule, and watch San Fransisco come to town in
Basketball. We have been her for years. The WCC has been in our life for 1 year.
If the Big 12 offers and BYU declines I will be dissappointed more than I can
say. I think making these disinterested statements only hurts our chances. Shut
up and take notes from Chris Hill and put BYU out there. Don't play hard to get.
This was a stupid statement to make in my opinion.
BYU should look at this as a major opportunity to get future games scheduled AS
AN INDEPENDENT with the remaining members of the Big12 as they all may be having
a spot to fill on their schedule soon. I am excited about the game we had
against Oklahoma, and the upcoming series with Texas. I would love to see BYU
play more of the B12 teams in the future.I hope BYU stays the course
as an independent, and was grateful that for the time being it is what they are
doing. They have all the bargaining chips at the moment and are able to decide
what course and schedule best suits them. I love that!
Wise choice by BYU to remain silent on all of the speculation until there's
something concrete to report.BYU is in a very strong position to sit
back and wait until an attractive opportunity presents itself.
Tom Holmoe needs to read up on General Sherman:"[We] will not
accept if nominated and will not [play] if [s]elected."