BYU football: Bronco Mendenhall eager to begin new quest

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  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 4:38 p.m.

    @ Rational | 7:18 p.m. Aug. 29, 2011

    '85 is equally as irrelevant as '84.

  • CaptainL PROVO, UT
    Aug. 29, 2011 10:01 p.m.

    BYU football or basketball or any of the sports programs are not that important in the long run or the big picture but they are tools for exposure to the message of the Restored Gospel. I think Vi Sekihema made the point in one of his article that he has some contacts among the brethren that have expressed the point that BYU sports may be second only to the full time missionary program in bring exposure to the church and the message of the restored gospel. Again sports is only entertainment and it is a tool but it may be more important than some people want to acknowledge. Jimmer & the BBall teams success and even Brandon Davies situation has brought a great deal of positive exposure to BYU and the church. This yrs football team with so many of the games on national TV will do the same. It is a good time to be a cougar fan. Go cougs.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 29, 2011 7:25 p.m.

    Uteology, citing Wikipedia? Is that what passes for edgeucasion it texas?

    "All my X's are in the alph-U-bet.
    And somewhere in Texas are the "B's"
    "I'm havin' trouble findin' my X's
    "Cause I couldn't get into the Y"

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 29, 2011 7:18 p.m.

    Geeze, we are still debating 1984? Let it go, Utes. L-E-T I-T G-O.

    Of course, in 1985 BYU crushed UW...

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Aug. 29, 2011 4:33 p.m.

    Bastiatarian | 3:44 p.m. Aug. 29, 2011

    >If exposure for the church is the reason for the football program, why did Ricks cancel their program?

    Ricks did not want BYU Idaho to compete with BYU.

    It's that simple.

  • Dr Rosenrosen Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 29, 2011 4:13 p.m.

    Uteology wants me to prove someone else's opinion wrong. Rich. Why don't you just look to the opinions of the pollsters for 1984, cause BYU was AP and UPI consensus #1. I think that's good enough. Bryan Gumball and Barry Switzer are both entitled to their biased opinions. Year in, year out, the national champ is debatable. and Why? because EVERY year, the NC is based on opinion. which makes it more of a pageant than a legitimately determined NC. So in '84, the majority opinion (Bryan Gumball and B Switz excluded) was that BYU was the NC. You can disagree all you want. But that was the system. BYU played by the rules within the system and were awarded an NC, part of that as Sports Authority stated, is due to their previous success. Like it or not, that counts in NCAAFB. And from the late 70's on, BYU has had pedigree (a few down years not withstanding) They've had huge wins over perenial powers in every decade since the 70's.

  • Go Utes Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 29, 2011 4:09 p.m.

    @ Bastiatarian

    I am not the one who thinks that football is a high priority. Hearing Bronco talk about his role and the football team's role is what falsely sets up the program into something that it looks like we both agree it is not. My point in commenting was that because football is a low priority and the "exposure" value to the church is not as great as Bronco dreams about (indeed, the arrogance, among other things, that I regularly see from the team renders the connection to the Church embarassing rather than helpful), football will eventually fall by the wayside. I used Ricks as an example of a situation where the Church's feeling about the value of football was very obvious. Sure there were many factors that went into the decision to discontinue, but presumably, were football truly an important tool to create "exposure," then the program would be continued, no matter the cost. Football will no longer be "expedient" (assuming it ever was).

  • Bastiatarian TUCSON, AZ
    Aug. 29, 2011 3:44 p.m.

    >If exposure for the church is the reason for the football program, why did Ricks cancel their program?

    There is a prioritization of resources and a whole mountain of other issues involved in the conversion from a JC to a 4-year university. Exposure for the Church through the football program was never the highest priority for Ricks (nor is it the highest for BYU; anyone who thinks so doesn't know anything about the BYU football program or about BYU). At some time in the future BYU-Idaho may restart a football program, but it's not expedient at this time.
    Basically, the connection you make is a non sequitur.

  • JonnyDanger HOUSTON, TX
    Aug. 29, 2011 3:17 p.m.

    If 2010 had been a year similar to 2007 wherein there were multiple one-two loss teams at the tops of the polls then TCU or BSU (barring a loss) would have probably played for the NC. Let's face it, for a non-BCS team to play for the NC some things would have to fall just the right way. If Oklahoma, Alabama and Utah all go undefeated this year Utah will still not play in the NC despite their BCS conference affiliation. BYU fans recognize a NC is a lofty goal and will not happen without luck AND earning it on the field. The schedule is much improved from the 1984 team, but not as strong as SEC etc.

  • Go Utes Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 29, 2011 1:39 p.m.

    If exposure for the church is the reason for the football program, why did Ricks cancel their program? I know BYU football is a bigger program, but isn't any exposure going to lead to more converts?

    Despite what Bronco feels is his life calling, BYU football will one day go the same way as Ricks football.

  • HerbSewell Las Vegas, Nevada
    Aug. 29, 2011 10:03 a.m.

    As a Cougar fan, I would have to agree that TCU, Boise State, and Utah have done more, recently, to "bust" the BCS than BYU; especially BSU and TCU. I think BYU has had some ok seasons, but they need to prove they can go undefeated and play in some important bowl games before I will brag much about any recent "accomplishments."

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    Aug. 29, 2011 10:02 a.m.

    The fact that Utah or TCU or even BS haven't been able to get into a championship game shows that the BCS system is still just as bad as it ever was, it isn't fair. The ute fans used to bemoan and criticise the BCS system, now all of a sudden it is the greatest and the reason they are or should be considered a great team/program. That doesn't make sense and isn't true. The BCS system is still bogus and unfair and we need a playoff system. Too much is being made of the BCS bowls and system. Last yr TCU deserved a chance to prove they were as good as anyone and worthy of a shot at a NC. Until a playoff system is institued this stupid bantering will continue and nothing will be proved. The only real benifit the utes have belonging to the PAC 12 is the money. TCU, BS, Hawaii and Utah have shown you can get into a BCS game without belonging to a BCS conf. , winning is the key, Arizona and Arizona St have proven how benificial belonging to the PAC conf., it hasn't done them much good.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Aug. 29, 2011 9:56 a.m.

    Uteology | 8:00 p.m.
    Fort Worth, Texas


    Cite your source.


    As much as you dispise me, you are now using "cite" instead of "site" See, you can learn.


    Dr Rosenrosen | 8:06 p.m.
    Gilbert, AZ
    Uteology using selective qualifiers on history to legitimize his team again.

    Don't ya love it.

    And quoting Switzer and Gumbel is classic Uteology. That Two Stooge show was a joke back in 1984. (BTW, Bo Diddley is a HOF musician, an innovator and also known as "The Originator" because of his key role in the transition from the blues to rock & roll.)

    Gumbel interviewing Switzer is classic Uteology. In 1983, Switzer was civilly prosecuted for illegal insider trading by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), but defended himself as having "accidently" overheard the information while lounging on the bleacher behind some corporate insiders, and was found not guilty. Yet, what he did was still wrong.

    The guy has no moral compass. He had a horse in the race. Oklahoma finished raned #4 coaches and #3 AP. He had to discredit BYU to get a shot.

    Your blind bias is getting old.

    No credibility.

    (Tell me again about my season tickets).

  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 29, 2011 9:52 a.m.

    Stop hanging on every word and nuance and just play football.

  • Zoniezoobie Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 29, 2011 8:57 a.m.

    Yesssss, Game Week is Here!

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Aug. 29, 2011 8:40 a.m.


    Sorry, I did miss at NM, but that still only gives Utah three regular season opponents with winning records vs. four regular season opponents with winning records for BYU.

    Bottom line, both BYU and Utah deserved to play better competition in their bowls. BYU should have faced Washington or Nebraska in the Holiday Bowl and Utah should have played Auburn in the Fiesta Bowl.

    The reason why BYU was able to win the NC despite their mediocre schedule, however, was what BYU had done in previous seasons -- 1979 to 1983 -- to establish their legitimacy as something much more than a one-year flash in the pan.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Aug. 29, 2011 7:22 a.m.


    First, I apologize for mis-spelling your handle. No slight intended.

    Second, you cite Barry Switzer????

    If you had also cited Bo Shembechler (again, sorry for any mis-spelling), you know what you could call that on the hill?

    Double blind research.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Aug. 29, 2011 4:58 a.m.


    My bad, I absolutely missed Hawaii and Utah just like in 2004 you missed @New Mexico 7-5.

    Indeed BYU won 4 teams over .500, yet some have ranked their SOS around #80 to #104.

    Let me say this again, Utah did not deserve a national title shot in 2004 but we did at least deserve a chance at Auburn.

    In 2008 after being the only undefeated team in the nation, THAT year, we did deserve a shot at the NC title, 16 AP voters agreed--the most under the current rules for ANY non-AQ team. I also think TCU in 2010 should have played in the title game.


    Sorry just because the source BG doesn't agree with you doesn't mean he's not credible. If he's wrong prove it.

    Second, according to Wiki under Washington Huskies football they also claim the 1984 NC:

    BYU's title was notable for being the only time since the inception of the AP poll that a team was awarded the national title without beating an opponent ranked in the top 25 at the season's end. The B (QPRS), FN, and NCF polls awarded the Huskies the national championship.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Aug. 28, 2011 11:28 p.m.


    "1984 BYU 13-0: @AF (8-4), Tulsa (6-5) and no other team above .500"

    For somebody who pretends to be a statistics expert, you fail miserably.

    BYU 1984 (13-0)
    Tulsa 6-5
    at Hawaii 7-4
    at AFA 8-4
    at Utah 6-5-1

    FOUR opponents with winning records, three of them on the road.

    Finished 1983 #7 in both polls, Top 12 finishes in 1979, 1980, and 1981
    24-game winning streak, including road wins against two Top 13 teams -- @Air Force(#13/#15) and @UCLA(#17/#13).

    Utah 2004 (12-0)
    Texas A&M 7-5
    at Wyo 7-5
    Pitt 8-4

    THREE opponents with winning records, only one of the on the road

    Finished 2003 #21 in both polls; Utah's first Top 25 finish since 1994.
    Losing seasons in 2000 and 2002; lost to Texas A&M(4-8) and barely beat BYU(4-8) 3-0 in 2003.

    Utah 2008
    Finished 2005, 2006 and 2007 unranked

  • ZelphExists Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 11:07 p.m.

    Also, the change from the Bowl Alliances to the BCS did nothing for the mid major schools and conferences. All it did was realign the structure and banded the Big 10 and PAC10 to separate farther away from the mid major schools even more. Utah in 04 was so dominant that the BCS had no choice to include them. What was impressive is that this is before the BCS championship game when there were only 4 schools. There is no fact, no truth that BYU is the reason that the BCS exists.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Aug. 28, 2011 10:21 p.m.


    "The BCS was created to have one bonafide champion without controversy."

    And it's failed miserably.

  • Dr Rosenrosen Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 28, 2011 10:17 p.m.

    From Wikipedia: Because the Bowl Alliance failed to include the Pac-10, Big Ten (and the Rose Bowl) and so-called "mid-major" conferences, the Bowl Alliance was reformed just three years after it began. BYU's persistent performance opened the door for mid-major conferences to participate in upper-tier bowls as well. In 1996, despite 18 conference championships in 23 years, one of the winningest records in college football and a #5 ranking in the AP poll, BYU was excluded from a Bowl Alliance bowl and was relegated to the Cotton Bowl beating Kansas State to finish the season 141. Now the Bowl Coalition was also at risk of anti-trust because of the monopoly on the bowls. LaVell Edwards, BYU Coach, testified in Congress at that time about the inherent unfairness in recruiting for teams who were excluded from bowls simply because of conference affiliation. With the pressure of potential Congressional action, the Bowl Alliance reformed into the Bowl Championship Series that not only included the Big Ten and the Pac-10 conference but also cracked open the door to allow the possibility of a "mid-major" team's participation.

  • ZelphExists Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 10:16 p.m.

    @bluecoug89.... what are you blabbing about? Im a kitty fan now? Im confused. Were you born in 89? Poor kid hasn't even seen the big stage.

  • Dr Rosenrosen Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 28, 2011 10:16 p.m.

    Yes, the famous Bryan Gumble, the most credible Sportscaster in the world, never known for bias. Too bad all the pollsters disagreed with him. And Switzer didn't have a vested interest at that time either? Right, he didn't want his team to be #1 did he? Those are some weak sources Uteology. Why don't you just start citing random Ute fans. It's laughable that you would cite a coach who was vying for the title himself.

  • bluecoug89 Highland, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 10:09 p.m.

    Sorry Zelphie. That was suppose to say "welcome to the club". Sorry for making an error in your initiation to the wonderful world of BYU. How sweet it is!

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Aug. 28, 2011 10:07 p.m.

    Dr Rosenrosen | 9:47 p.m. Aug. 28, 2011
    Gilbert, AZ
    cite your source? Cite your source that Utah's 08 was more respected than BYU's 84.


    In late November, NBC invited Oklahoma coach Barry Switzer on the Today Show to promote its upcoming broadcast of the Orange Bowl, which the network had dubbed an unofficial national title game. Switzer's team (9-1-1) was ranked second; its opponent, Washington (11-1), was ranked fourth.

    "How can you rank BYU No. 1?" Today host Bryant Gumbel wondered aloud. "Who'd they play -- Bo Diddley Tech?"

    "They play in the worst conference in the country," said the Oklahoma coach. "BYU beat its schedule, but it didn't beat the world."

    Yet no one questioned Utah after we spanked #4 Bama, I recall Switzer being speechless in the post-game show.

  • Dr Rosenrosen Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 28, 2011 10:05 p.m.

    WY was ranked? Doesn't appear so. Ok, so the 04 team still only beat only 1 ranked team (ie a team that was ranekd when they beat them) that Pitt team was pretty horrible too. I will say that I actually thought that was the Best team Utah ever put on the field. I thought they should have had a shot at a better bowl matchup. Sadly, they didn't. It was a very good team though. I was way more impressed with them than with the '08 team.

  • bluecoug89 Highland, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 10:03 p.m.

    Wow! ZelphExists is now BYU's #1 fan. Thanks to the club, bro!

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 10:00 p.m.

    "Legitimate national champions have a Waterford Crystal Football trophy in their trophy case."


    That trophy didn't arrive for more than two decades after the zenith of the program. Admit it, the wait wasn't exactly a ringing endorsement of the ongoing relevance of cougie football.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Aug. 28, 2011 9:55 p.m.

    Dr Rosenrosen | 9:41 p.m. Aug. 28, 2011
    Utes lucked their way past TCU because their kicker missed 2 chipshot field goals.


    2004 Utah 12-0: #25 Pitt (8-4), Texas A&M (7-5) and @WY (7-5)

    2008 Utah 13-0: #6 Bama (12-2), #7 TCU (11-2), #18 OSU (9-4), #25 BYU (10-3), @AF (8-5)

    1984 BYU 13-0: @AF (8-4), Tulsa (6-5) and no other team above .500

    FYI... BYU's best team since 1996 was in 2009 #12 11-2. That team won New Mexico 24-19 because UNM missed field goals and was spanked @LES by 7-6 FSU 54-28 who the week before barley won Div-2 team Jacksonville State at home 19-9.

  • ZelphExists Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 9:52 p.m.

    Quit dodging my question! Cite your source that BYU was the reason that the BCS was created... You are avoiding it because you cant, because there is no source, and you no you are just making it up in your own head. Cite your source. Still waiting.... And the fourth team is Oregon State.
    Thats 4 more ranked wins than your 84 joke of a title. Go ahead and google top ten least deserving cfb football titles.
    You wont have time though cause you'll be be looking forever for a source that states that the BCS came along because of BYU.
    Lets see that source...

  • Dr Rosenrosen Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 28, 2011 9:47 p.m.

    cite your source? Cite your source that Utah's 08 was more respected than BYU's 84. It's an implication. Like the BCS is going to come right out and say "we did this to keep schools like BYU out." right. But the timing of it speaks for itself.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Aug. 28, 2011 9:45 p.m.


    When did I say winning a NC is equivalent to winning a BCS game?

    Its not, that's all in your head.

    Wannabe BCS busters can only print "Perfection" t-shirts in the preseason.


    Actaully, the 1983 was BYU's best team ever. They actually beat 2 final ranked teams, which I think is the only BYU team to do that:

    BYU 11-1: #13 @AFA 10-2 and #17 @UCLA (7-4-1)

  • ZelphExists Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 9:39 p.m.

    The BCS wan't created because BYU finished 5th that year. BYU fans are really not this delusional to think differently, right? I've lived all over the country and the only state that talks about BYU is the state of Utah. Please cite your source where BYU was the difference that the BCS was created. Still waiting...

  • ZelphExists Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 9:35 p.m.

    Still waiting on your source....

  • ZelphExists Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 9:17 p.m.

    Of course Utah fans would want a crystal trophy over a BCS trophy but they also would want a respected crystal trophy where you had to beat a few top 25 teams to earn it. BYU backed into that trophy and we all know it! BYU beat 0, ZERO, nada, nil top 25 teams in 83-84. Utah beat 4 top 25 teams, 2 in the top 10.

    Utahs 2008 year is much more respected than 84. Truth hurts!

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Aug. 28, 2011 9:09 p.m.


    Admit it; wouldn't you prefer that Utah had actually won a national championship, instead of trying to pretend a winning BCS bowl is equivalent to winning a national championship.

    Legitimate national champions have a Waterford Crystal Football trophy in their trophy case.

    Wannabe national champions can only wish that they had such a trophy.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Aug. 28, 2011 8:59 p.m.


    (2nd try)

    I'll Admit it, I would prefer your team to shut it whether they put up or not. We can both agree that the 2008 Utah team that surprised themselves by being undefeated by the end of the season, then took both BYU and Alabama to the woodshed was much preferable to the arrogant and ultimately embarrassing end to the Utah 2010 season.

  • Dr Rosenrosen Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 28, 2011 8:28 p.m.

    "The BCS was created to have one bonafide champion without controversy. It was started in 1998" And the BCS has done a great job of having a bonafide NC without controversy right? Also note the year the BCS came into play-- '98 one year removed from the 96-97 BYU cotton bowl champ team that ended up ranked #5 and stirred up all the controversy because the Bowl alliance (front runner to the BCS) locked BYU out of their elitist bowl party. That got national attention and led to the BCS. To say that BYU had nothing to do with it is to live in denial.

  • ZelphExists Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 8:21 p.m.

    The whole argument that the BCS was created because of BYU is absolutely asinine! Wow! Seriously? Do you realize how insane you sound when you state such falsehoods! The BCS was created to have one bonafide champion without controversy. It was started in 1998. 1984 was a mere afterthought. Now its ancient history. The delusion down south is so comical. Please, I beg you, back up your claims with facts. Please find your source that the BCS created because of BYU. Go! This ought to be good...

  • Dr Rosenrosen Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 28, 2011 8:06 p.m.

    Uteology using selective qualifiers on history to legitimize his team again.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Aug. 28, 2011 8:00 p.m.

    nunya | 6:36 p.m. Aug. 28, 2011
    Sacramento, Ca
    Uteology you are more clueless then I thought....BYU forced rules to be changed in case a non bcs school was ever ranked in the top 5 again or undefeated...YES, once again it was BYU that fought for and caused it to change.


    Cite your source.

    During the BCS era when was BYU ever ranked in the BCS top 5 or undefeated at the end of the season? In 2001 Hawaii proved the BCS was correct that BYU was not a BCS buster when Hawaii rolled all over BYU's defense with 72 points.

    Here's my counter argument:

    "Back in 2004, there was no such thing as a non-AQ team even making it into a BCS game. That all changed with Utah, the original BCS buster... Consider Utah made it into the game before the BCS expanded to five games and changed its rules to guarantee a spot to a non-AQ team that finished in the Top 12 of the standings."

    -- ESPN | Ode to Utah, the original BCS buster (by Andrea Adelson)

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Aug. 28, 2011 7:59 p.m.

    Competition was originally designed as a method of pushing each other to excel. I think it is still valuable when thought of in that context. Unfortunately we tend to think of it as a vicarious way of proving superiority. Sorry, I just don't buy it.

  • CaptainL PROVO, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 7:43 p.m.

    I'm proud of the fact that BYU won so many conf. championships but to me that wasn't the most important thing. To me how high the cougs ended up being ranked was more important. To me how much national attention/respect/ exposure the cougs got was more important than winning the WAC or the MTN. conf. championship. Maybe that is why I can't see why so many ute gloat over belonging to the PAC 12. What your record is or ends up being and what you end up being ranked is more important to me. It shows how good you are compared to the rest of the nations top football teams. You can be a member to any of these BCS AQ conferences and not be one of the top teams in the country. To much is made about being a member of a BCS conf. . What your winning percentage is and how high you are ranked means more to me. Money wise a BCS game is important because they get paid alot more but that's a different issue.BYU will get plenty of money whether they play in a BCS Bowl game or not.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Aug. 28, 2011 7:43 p.m.

    @Y Grad / Y Dad

    Admit it, wouldn't you prefer you team put up or shut up?

  • Dr Rosenrosen Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 28, 2011 7:32 p.m.

    oh, ok, the '04 Texas A & M team that Utah beat 1st game eventually attained a #20 ranking by the end of the season. They were 7-5 with a marquee win in OT over Texas Tech. So a mediocre A & M team was the marquee win for the U 04 team. Sounds similar to the '84 BYU schedule that U fans are so quick to slam in order to discredit BYU's '84 run. Hmm no hypocrisy there though. Right?

  • Dr Rosenrosen Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 28, 2011 7:14 p.m.

    U 90, research man, research! BYU beat 3rd ranked Pitt in '84. Utah beat a terrible Michigan team in '08, a lucky win at home over a good ranked TCU, and a win over a demoralized ranked BYU team. Not exactly the pinnacle of college schedules. So give it a rest. As for the '04 team, which team did they beat that was ranked? research man, research.

  • Dr Rosenrosen Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 28, 2011 6:58 p.m.

    what you U fans will never acknowledge, that is certainly true is, b4 there was Boise, before there was TCU, before there was Utah, there was BYU. They were the orginal cinderella that did it before any of these schools (ok except for TCU's hayday in the 1940's or 50's). But BYU was the original BCS buster before it was the BCS, when it was the Bowl alliance in 96-97. as for assistant to the regional mgr 63's assertion that BYU could never get that type of talent. maybe not, maybe so. Good thing football is more than just talent alone. it is talent + coaching/scheme + character,maturity, and discipline. What BYU may lack in raw talent, they make up for in these other categories which is why they were are and will remain competitive.

  • nunya sacramento, ca
    Aug. 28, 2011 6:36 p.m.

    Uteology you are more clueless then I thought....I'm never going to argue the fact that BYU hasn't made it to the BCS game or that the utes, bsu, hawaii and tcu did not deserve to be there, they earned it....BYU forced rules to be changed in case a non bcs school was ever ranked in the top 5 again or undefeated...YES, once again it was BYU that fought for and caused it to change...utes and all others did and will forever benefit from what BYU did. You sure are a smart one.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 6:23 p.m.

    Let the quest begin. Bronco has a lot to look forward to because we are going undefeated this year starting with Mississippi.

  • Bastiatarian TUCSON, AZ
    Aug. 28, 2011 6:22 p.m.

    >In order for Utah to win a NC this year...

    ...the rest of the Pac-12 would have to forfeit most of their games against Utah. There's a very good chance that Utah will go 2-10 this year.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    Aug. 28, 2011 6:11 p.m.

    I bet the writers come up with these stories and especially the headlines to get trolls to post. I guess no one is hurt in all of this and Deseret News makes more money as the lemmings run off the cliff together.

  • the hawk Sandy, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 5:55 p.m.

    Re rational,

    The game last night didn't come out as planned. Some bad special teams issues bungled it up. I suppose you'd know all about it. Kind of like that blocked kick the other blue and white team had lol.

  • the hawk Sandy, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 5:52 p.m.

    re Rational, Just being rational here. Perfection means flawless. Not saying that a NC wouldn't have been nice. Just saying, by definition the Utes did in fact achieve the qUest for perfection. Nobody else in the country did that year. This fact is supported by the Utes unblemished record that year. By definition it was perfection.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Aug. 28, 2011 5:44 p.m.

    The reference to a QUEST in the title makes me chuckle.

    Well played, Jeff Call. Well played.

    BYU has been a very good football program for decades. I hope they do well as an independent.

    I don't believe the Big 12 will invite the Cougars. A big obstacle to that partnership is BYU's refusal to compete on Sunday. Since the Big 12, and most other conferences, play on Sunday, there are only a few leagues where the Cougars can truly consider membership.

    I respect Coach Mendenhall. He is a solid coach and sounds like an even better man. BYU should hope he coaches for a very long time.

    Good luck, Cougars. Except on 17 SEP!

  • JayDee West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 5:37 p.m.

    Not being affiliated with a conference, it's clear that BYU will/must measure football success based solely on two things, their win/loss record and end-of-year ranking. That being said, program success, measured by exposure for the school and the church, is ongoing with the new TV deal with ESPN and the freedom that comes with control of broadcasting and marketing your own brand.

    It seems Coach Mendenhall, Tom Holmoe, and the players are not shying away from saying as much. The goal is, as stated, a national championship. Putting the goal out there will draw criticism (see Bronco's prediction and the Ute trolls fulfillment of said prediction).

    I think the the current BYU coaches, players, and administrators are looking to the future in a way that the majority of fans haven't grasped. BYU has a great tradition they leverage, but that is past...just like the WAC and MWC are in the past.

    The weeks and years ahead are exciting and full of promise. I'm thrilled Bronco proclaims he wouldn't have it any other way.

    Go Cougars, beat Ole Miss!

    Good luck Utes (except on Sept. 17th)

    Football is back, Baby!

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 5:29 p.m.

    ". . . donkeys of themselves during warm-ups?"

    y grad:

    No, Utah doesn't do the Haka. That would be Daniel Sorenson's "boys" down in Provo.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 5:10 p.m.

    "Start in 1960 . . ."


    There you go again. Maybe you can also convince BYU to officially abandon knowledge of the cougies abysmal football record for nearly half a century.

    Take heart, they 've done it before. Look up "The Forgotten Years".

  • TylerSanchez FRUITLAND, ID
    Aug. 28, 2011 4:55 p.m.

    When i went to univirtsity of utah in 2008, we did what byu want to do. We went undefetead. BYU is so arogant and so is that Heaps boy. I is so happy that they think they can win a nationel championship. it will only make the fall that much harder when they fall. Utes are going to be the won suprising people when we win the pac12 this year.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Aug. 28, 2011 4:08 p.m.

    Nunya, BYU did not pave the way for Utah's invitation to BCS bowls. The Utes accomplished that on their own by beating ranked teams in 2004 and 2008, something the Cougs didn't do in 84.

    AltaFan, Thank you. Finally a BYU fan admits the BCS was created because of 1984

  • SoCalUtahFan Utesville, CA
    Aug. 28, 2011 4:06 p.m.

    Here is to the beginning of "Quest to be alone".

    Good luck Bronco!

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Aug. 28, 2011 3:57 p.m.

    Ah, Utology, from your earliest post, please don't go there.  You have been too well spoken on behalf of the loyal opposition in the past to resort to hyperbole. 

    Future facts are not facts. BYU fans do not know how good this team is, and you do not yet know how good this team is not. Your last point is worthy of discussion, because to win an NC for one of the little guys requires both perfection and all the cards to drop in the right place and right time. History though it may be, BYU fans know about this. 

    But to your credit, at least you didn't make the comment about Utah "quietly"'doing anything. Hopefully coach Whit had the discussion with his players after the LV bowl that he should have had after the BYU game. 

    Admit it, wouldn't you prefer your team to announce embarrassingly high goals to making donkeys of themselves during warm-ups?

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 3:46 p.m.

    It is rather annoying reading to the bitterness from the Ute posters who feel that two big bowl wins make them the superior program. A national championship is bigger than any individual bowl win, especially considering the recent BCS trend of belittling any program that is not in the fold.

    BYU has been to the Citrus, Holiday, Liberty, Fiesta, Freedom, Tangerine and other bowls over the years. What made those bowls great is that the teams who were invited to bowls were the best programs. Now there are too many bowls, with even BYU's 6-6 team going last year. Only one was of any relevance BECAUSE it was the bowl that won the Cougars a championship. None of the rest matter because they like the Utes Sugar and Fiesta bowls weren't important to the rest of college football. Only one bowl matters, and that is the one where a champion is crowned over all the sport.

    No individual bowl is better than a national championship.

  • BluCoug Provo, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 3:44 p.m.

    @ JohnInSLC

    Try looking at modern day championships and there is no comparison. Start in 1960 and count how many times the utes won an out right championship. Hint: all you need is one hand, nothing goes beyond that.

  • GoGetter Sandy, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 3:30 p.m.

    Uncle Rico,

    You mean Jake Hypes?

    That's funny that the title of this article included the word "quest".

    Here we go again!

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Aug. 28, 2011 3:14 p.m.

    I like Coach Bronco's approach. It will be interesting to see how they do as an independent. I hope they do well, except on Spet 17th...

    Still, I'm surprised to see how many folks out here think BYU would win a NC if they go undefeated (no small task as it has only happened once in their storied program). That is not the BCS precedence. If they think they can rise above what TCU, Boise St. and Utah have done recently, I think they severely overrate their schedule this year.

    A few inconsistencies I've noticed in a few of the posts:
    1) Do we feed off the AP or the coaches poll, predominately? It seems if you're going with AP--you can exclude Utah's coaches rank last year. If you're going off the final coaches, you can say Utah finished "4th" in 2008, instead of #2 in the AP poll---which can award a split NC against the BCS. Selective bias.
    2) If BYU has a double-digit win season it's considered a great year. If Utah does it, it's "horrible"(see also 2010).
    3) "Perfection" does not mean winning all of your games. Huh?
    Consistent inconsistency....nice.

  • bluecoug89 Highland, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 3:08 p.m.

    I am so excited because now my friends who are BYU fans in Mexico can watch the games!!!!! They are going to be so excited! Does Utah's fan base go that far outside of Utah? I don't think so. It looks like good football has far reaching effects while mediocre football reaches to, well, one person in Ann Harbor.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 2:32 p.m.

    I am not even sure why we need to play the games this season. Lets just have the NC victory parade now in Provo while the weather is still nice.

  • ZelphExists Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 2:22 p.m.


  • ZelphExists Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 2:22 p.m.

    @JohnInSLC... thank you for writing what I was too lazy to rite. Well said and oh so true!

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 2:09 p.m.

    Snack and swoop:

    Your spin is hilarious. By endless references to 1984 and denigrating Utah's conference championships in the 1920's, 30's, 40's, 50's and 60's, you are: (1) reluctantly admitting how truly awful BYU was, and (2) refusing to realize that 1984 is also ancient history to the majority of people alive today.

    On the other hand, if you want to truly compare recent success, let's stick with the MWC era. In addition to top 5 final AP rankings (oops, you don't have one, much less two), shall we compare Utah and BYU's bowl records? How about wins against ranked opponents?

    Not as successful as you thought, eh?

    Yes, the public dreams are great--until the inevitable first early loss. Then the whole program, and its fans, look just a tad bit foolish to the rest of the college football world. Is that the message you are eager to spread? Seems like you'd want to actually beat some ranked teams regularly and win three-fourths of your bowl games before talking about your future national championships.

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 1:48 p.m.

    An undefeated season is impressive but not as impressive in a weak conference or independent. I don't expect BYU or Utah getting a nc in the near future but I do see my Utes back in a bcs game before the cougars. One loss with the weak schedule and they are done. 2nd place in the PAC 12 can smell of Roses due to the first place team playing in bcs championship game.

    Anyway, I smell a blue t-shirt coming.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Aug. 28, 2011 1:47 p.m.


    Speaking of handouts what did you do with your BCS share?

    Here we go again; taking credit for someone else accomplishments. According to your own fans, see AltaHawkFan's post, BCS was created in part because of BYU. Now your taking credit for breaking down the BCS by playing in Vegas? Not only is Bronco dreaming so are some of the fans.

    @Riverton Cougar

    You can dream like your coach, but it is highly unlikely that BYU will play for a NC if they go 10-2, 11-1, and 13-0 over the next three season.


    Because history shows us that it is highly unlikely. TCU has proved how difficult it is: 2008 11-2 #7, 2009 12-1 #6, 13-0 2010 #2 (3 first place votes). The same TCU team that has lead the nation in defense over the last three years. Sorry but even Bronco knows that he doesn't have that kind of talent.

    Claiming that your "competing for" national championship when your really "competing for" is the Armed Forces Bowl is just wishful thinking. Now get into the BIG 12 then you dream about a NC.

  • DC Alexandria, VA
    Aug. 28, 2011 12:54 p.m.

    What else are they supposed to say now? "Well, we'll be happy with an 8-5 year, so long as we can go to the armed forces bowl." Without a conference, the only thing lift is a NC. Shouldn't every coach be aiming for that?
    Stick with the positive talk, just back it up on the field this Saturday.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 12:49 p.m.


    I don't have to explain it to you, you already know.

    Thanks for the lesson on the 84 team that beat a 6-5 team and was gifted the "nc". Never heard that one before.

    Oh and btw, Utah will most definitely have the chance from here on out to play for a NC. This year will be difficult at best but it IS possible.

    Get used to it

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 12:32 p.m.


    NOBODY cares about leather helmet conference championships won in conferences hardly any fans have ever heard of.

    The biggest difference between Utah's leather helmet era championships and BYU's modern era championships is BYU actually did something on a national scale during most of those championship seasons -- representing the WAC/MWC in the bowl designated for the conference champion and finishing in the Top 25 most years.

    Not a single one of Utah's 20 pre-WAC conference champions played in a bowl or finished in the Top 25.

    Since LaVell became BYU's head coach in 1972, BYU has won 26 of the last 39 head-to-head meetings, and 3 of the last 5.

    Utah fans are conflicted. They like to talk about "recent" success and not living in the past, but the immediately revert to living in the past when it comes to overall head-to-head in football and a history of success in basketball.

    BYU, by the way, now leads the overall series in basketball, and as far as recent succuss, BYU has dominated overall success during the Dave Rose era.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 11:59 a.m.

    I loved your comments, Nunya. Thank you.

  • ZelphExists Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 11:19 a.m.

    Are all Cougar fans super uber sensitive? Wow! Being the 3rd best team in the state must really sting!

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 11:16 a.m.

    Oh snack, more selective stats from you.

    Since 1922, when little brother y decided to join its big brother playing football for real:

    All time conference championships
    Utah 24
    BYU 23

    Head-to-head record:
    Utah 57-34-4

    If The y was as consistent as you claim, you wouldn't be stuck on 1984 when telling everybody how good your cougies

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 11:10 a.m.

    NC UTES 2010 | 12:04 a.m. Nov. 2, 2010

    "Well on our way to the 2010 national championship, as I predicted 2 months ago.

    TCU is good, but we all know Utah gets up for and almost ALWAYS wins the close games (with the ocassional blip against BYU as we painfully know).

    0% chance TCU leaves Salt Lake with a win.

    It's happening - MARK IT DOWN - Utah is the 2010 national champ."

    Of course "NC UTES 2010" quickly disappeared into the night never to be heard from again in that incarnation after Utah's 7-47 humiliation in the biggest game in Utah history.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 11:05 a.m.


    "There is a difference in being "Never public about goals" as you state and taking one game at a time until you reach your goals. Utah has done this twice in the last 10 years."

    Done what twice? Finish 6th in the final BCS standings with not even a prayer of actually winning a national championship?

    By not stating their goals publicly, they give themselves the luxury of crowing about whatever they accomplish after the fact and pretending that was there goal all along.

    Of course, BYU fans have never done what a certain Utah fan did last year...

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    Aug. 28, 2011 10:46 a.m.


    One great season every once in a while does not win championships. Having a great season with a history of greatness will award teams with the opportunity to play in the big game. BYU didn't win the national championship in 1984 because of the 1984 season. They won it because of the 1982, 1983, and 1984 seasons. An undefeated BYU will most likely not play in the NC game this year because of last year. However, with their history, a great 2011 season (10-2 or better) along with a 11-1 season (or better) in 2012 will likely put an undefeated 2013 BYU team in the NC game for sure. Maybe a NC game next year if they go undefeated this year and next year.

    Likewise, Utah wouldn't make the NC game this year, even if undefeated. Next year is a possibility, but 2013 is more likely still.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 10:15 a.m.

    It's great to dream. Kind of a downer though, when you are rudely awakened---again.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 10:05 a.m.


    There is a difference in being "Never public about goals" as you state and taking one game at a time until you reach your goals. Utah has done this twice in the last 10 years.

    I would set attainable goals at this point Bronco. Ole Miss might be a start.

  • nunya sacramento, ca
    Aug. 28, 2011 10:03 a.m., does the number indicate your age? Well, at least now I know why you wrote what you did...your age definitely showed on that post. Lay down before the nursing home employees catch you.

  • nunya sacramento, ca
    Aug. 28, 2011 9:59 a.m.

    Hey Uteology....make no mistake about it my friend...but your sorry team along with tcu, bsu and hawaii benefited from BYU changing the landscape of non bcs teams getting the invite to play with the big boys. you're no different then those people that feel entitled to that free government know, reaping the rewards from someone else's hard work and not even thanking them. Hope your kids don't grow to have your same entitled attitude. As for your team...BYU will change the college landscape again and you will again reap the rewards...hope you learn how to say "thank you" by then. Then again, that's like asking a free loader to go find a job.

  • TrollPolice Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 9:57 a.m.

    I see the trolls are out in force on yet another BYU article. Didn't they supposedly "move on" over a year ago? But, here they are, still obsessing about an independent, non-AQ team, when they're supposedly one of the "big boys" now. Once a little brother, always a little brother.

    Oh well.

    The era of BYU independence begins and the quest is renewed.

    Let the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth by the kids on the hill begin.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 28, 2011 9:49 a.m.

    howie, mgr, Uteology, et al

    Kyle never made a big deal out of winning conference championships, either.

    Bronco - 2
    Kyle - 1

    Kyle never made a big deal out of being a consistent winner.

    Result - AP Top 25 Finishes:
    Bronco - 4
    Kyle - 2

    Kyle is the very definition of Utah football past, present and future:

    Lots of one-hit wonders like 1964, 1994, 2004 and 2008, but little sustained success.

    Bronco is the very definition of BYU football consistent excellence over the past half century:

    17 Top 25 Finishes (both polls) (5 for Utah)
    23 conference championships (6 for Utah)
    15 national individual award winners (0 for Utah)
    6 national college football hall of fame inductees (0 for Utah)
    1 Heisman Trophy winner (0 for Utah)
    1 National Championship (0 for Utah)

  • Jeff R. Sheridan, WY
    Aug. 28, 2011 9:30 a.m.

    Good luck to Utah and BYU this year. As a fan of both, I would like to see a knockdown, drag out fight come September 17th that we can all watch live on ESPN HD! Then I want to see BYU run the table and head to the Fiesta bowl while the Utes crush whoever comes from the Big 10(12) in the Rose bowl(except for Nebraska since that is my team). What would be epic is to see the Cougars land in the Big 12 in 2014 or 2015. Then we could see a Utah vs. BYU National Championship game. The Holy War BCS National Championship Game, that would make the SEC, Big East, and ACC cry their eyes out watching the boys from Utah battle it out for the Beehive boot and the Sears Trophy. Dream good Utah, dream good.

  • Jeff R. Sheridan, WY
    Aug. 28, 2011 9:17 a.m.

    Texas A&M is going to announce they are leaving the Big 12(9) anytime now. So, if the Big 12 comes calling for the cougars, what do they do? They have made promises and contracts with the WCC, with ESPN, and BYUtv. So do they stick it out and chart an unknown, independent course, or do they take a huge opportunity and play amongst the likes of Texas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Baylor, Missouri, Kansas, Iowa State, and Kansas State. Maybe they could join the Big 12(9) in say 2014 or 1015 just to see how this independence thing works out. It looks like there may be a lot of tough decisions for Holmoe and Mendenhall in the next few years.

  • carver Enterprise, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 8:07 a.m.

    I love Broncos remarks in this article. He's a great leader.

    One thing for sure; Utah could never take such a bold step as independence. There are only a handful of BCS teams that could.

    I do hope though that this year BYU has no losses and Utah has one loss. I wish them both the very best.

  • Cougar_Independence OMAHA, NE
    Aug. 28, 2011 8:02 a.m.

    Utah: Never public about goals, been to 2 BCS bowls, 0 national titles.

    BYU: sets high goals, 23 conference championships, 1 national title, massive independent ESPN tv deal!

    Go Cougs!

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 8:01 a.m.


    Some sit around saying it can't be done while others dream big and go out and try to make those dreams come true. I'd much rather be in the second group.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Aug. 28, 2011 5:48 a.m.


    In all honesty, I don't think there has ever been a team in BYU's history that could ever compete with the TCU, Utah, Boise St. squads that went undefeated in this century. The talent at every position in unattainable for BYU to recruit. Some of the games that BYU has on it's schedule in the coming years are just simply not all winnable. They may win a couple if another QB gets knocked out like the Oklahoma game in 2009, but not consistently even for an entire season. Look at what a "so-so" FSU team did to BYU the last two seasons........just destroyed them. So, unless BYU is able to get solid defensive talent, and some key players at skill positions on offense, then there really isn't much to discuss in my opinion. Their fans will love them all the same and entertain us as always. It is only a game. Cheers!

  • Devin American Fork, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 2:36 a.m.

    I love you Bronco! It's off to war with Ol Miss!!!

  • AltaHawkFan Sandy, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 2:17 a.m.

    Re: uteology

    hahahahahahaha You don't think that BYU's National Championship changed the college football landscape ? Why do you think the BCS came about ?

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Aug. 28, 2011 1:44 a.m.

    "I would just as soon say it. There will be detractors everywhere that say it's not possible. I'm not one of them. I think it is possible [national championship]... what if we were able to accomplish this here? What would that do to the national landscape?" -- Bronco

    While he's been dreaming of a national championship, Utah, TCU, and Boise have been changing the college football landscape. For details, see 2004-2011 seasons.

    The fact is that this BYU team is not as half as good as lest years TCU team. The same TCU players that were ranked #7, #6, and #2 over the last three years. That team only got 3 first place votes in final AP rankings while going 13-0.

  • Dr Rosenrosen Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 28, 2011 12:19 a.m.

    I love my Cougs too assistant to the regional Mgr63, I love 'em too.

  • Dr Rosenrosen Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 28, 2011 12:06 a.m.

    . . . wow, it's late, where have my grammar skills gone? -- I love 'em *too

  • Dr Rosenrosen Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 28, 2011 12:03 a.m.

    I love 'em to assistant to the regional mgr63, I love 'em to

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 12:03 a.m.

    BTW, hawk, how'd that Bingham game turn out?

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 12:02 a.m.

    Let's see, Hawk, Florida lost one game the 2008 season and they were the national champs and the Utes went undefeated the same year and weren't national champs, and you prefer the Utes' result? I'm pretty sure you are the only one...

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Aug. 28, 2011 12:00 a.m.

    @Dr Rose,

    The Ute trolls go to other papers that have decent articles about Utah football. The best articles and posters on BYU is at the D News. I love my cougs!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Aug. 27, 2011 11:58 p.m.

    Quite inspiring article isn't it. Love Bronco's attitude about all of this. It may not happen this year or next but if it happened once it very well could happen again. That's what is great about BYU football.

    And then you have another team and several of their fans proud about the fact that they can actually lose games and still come out a 'winner' in their conference. We found coat tails and we're hangin' on.

    Kind of diminishes the very purpose of being a winner doesn't it?

    Give me a 'rimshot' on that drum please.

  • Dr Rosenrosen Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 27, 2011 11:55 p.m.

    What'd I tell you about the trolls. Much more obsessed with BYU football than I think I'll ever be. And that's saying a lot.

  • the hawk Sandy, UT
    Aug. 27, 2011 11:50 p.m.

    re deductive reasoning, Winning a NC with one loss like Flordia did a few short years ago is not perfection. winning every game, that means having a flawless win record, is actually perfection. Just a heads up.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Aug. 27, 2011 11:47 p.m.

    I hope that all the players listen to Bronco about a NC. He knows how to win big time! BYU 'glory" again! AWESOME!

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Aug. 27, 2011 11:36 p.m.

    National championship here we come! When they see us beat many teams 56-0 and go undefeated this year......the BCS will recognize our storied football program, massive fan base and surely grant us the opportunity to win it all AGAIN. Go cougars!

  • butters Salt Lake city, UT
    Aug. 27, 2011 11:30 p.m.

    quest? uh oh. there goes that word again.

  • Dr Rosenrosen Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 27, 2011 11:11 p.m.

    Since Howard was the one to bring it up, there is only one team in the state with a National Championship. Go ahead and place as many qualifiers and 'yeah buts' as you want. It was, is and will always be an NC. Then U fan rebuttal is 'but we've been to 2 BCS games this decade. Here is a fact: History, whether recent or not so recent is still history. So if U fan bags on Y fan for 'living in 1984' U fan is still living in the past him/herself . . . just a more recent past. Truth is You're team isn't any better than 'TDS' (weakest moniker ever) and you know it. And whether you'll admit it or not, I think you know you're going to lose this year.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Aug. 27, 2011 11:05 p.m.

    Uncle Rico

    Be afraid; be VERY afraid. Because it's going to get really ugly for Utah State in Provo this year. Bronco won't even be inclined to call off the dogs.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Aug. 27, 2011 11:01 p.m.

    Howard S.

    "National Championship? I say bring it on. Just like 2008 when BYU boldly set its goal as the Quest for Perfection... And Utah quietly achieved it."

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but finishing 4th in the Coaches poll, the official BCS final poll, isn't "perfection".

    Perfection ends with a national championship; anything less is, well....


    It's interesting how low Utah sets it's goals... back into a PAC 12 championship game by finishing 2nd in the PAC 12 behind USC and then hope to get lucky again like the Utes did in 2008 to make it to a BCS game.

    That may get you to a BCS game, just as in 2008, but it'll never get you a national championship.

    Instead of mocking your big brother for setting his goal on winning another national championship, you should be taking lessons from him on how to actually win a national championship -- see 1979 to 1984.

  • Dr Rosenrosen Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 27, 2011 10:31 p.m.

    USU was a blind squirrel finding a nut last year. Happens every seventeen years or so. They'll get destroyed this year. It surprises me that Aggie fan is every bit as delusional as Ute fan, but with even less reason to be so.

  • JonnyDanger HOUSTON, TX
    Aug. 27, 2011 10:09 p.m.

    I love the fact that national media are not just speculating whether or not BYU will get an invite to the Big12, but whether or not they would accept it if they did. What other non-AQ in the country has a setup wherein that is a reasonable debate? I am not sure what we should do should said Big12 invite come. I see pros and cons either way. But I think its awesome that my friends in Big12 country honestly wonder whether BYU would deign to join their mighty BCS conference.

    Go Cougars!

  • JonnyDanger HOUSTON, TX
    Aug. 27, 2011 10:06 p.m.

    I will always be glad to have a team with these goals. Every team in the country has that as an ultimate goal.

    I learned on my mission that there is a difference between "setting goals and making plans" and "making plans and setting goals". If you set your goals first and work towards them you instill the drive to be your best in everything you do. It changes the way you plan, the way you work, the things you do and the reasons you do them.

    If you first see what your plans are, and then set goals based on what you think you can accomplish you are inherently limiting yourself. Your entire mindset is different because you are acting on what you are rather than what you hope to be.

    Regardless of whether or not you achieve those goals, you are a better person for setting them and striving for them. But I also hope we can achieve this particular goal :)

    Go Cougars!

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Aug. 27, 2011 10:04 p.m.

    Everyone needs to fear BYU big time this year.
    We got Jake Heaps. He is the best QB in NCAA history to lose to USU.

  • Dr Rosenrosen Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 27, 2011 9:57 p.m.

    I love the new misplaced cockiness by overzealous U fans and their Pac 12 delusions of grandeur. It'll make their whupping on 9/17 so much sweeter. keep building that noose Howard, one comment at a time.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Aug. 27, 2011 9:41 p.m.

    In order for Utah to win a NC this year, they would need to beat BYU. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that isn't going to happen. Good luck in your other 11 games though and thanks for keeping up on the Cougs.

    This team has a ton of potential, but they are young and inexperienced. If they can execute well, they will have a special season.

    Kick off is less than a week away. I can't wait. Go Cougs!

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    Aug. 27, 2011 9:38 p.m.

    Howard S. | 9:31 p.m. Aug. 27, 2011
    Taylorsville, UT

    National Championship?

    I say bring it on.

    Just like 2008 when BYU boldly set its goal as the Quest for Perfection...

    And Utah quietly achieved it.

    Could BYU be setting the stage for a Utah NC?

    I like the precident.

    Utah and National Championship? when has that ever shown up in the same sentence? I guess you can always dream about utah winning one LOL.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Aug. 27, 2011 9:31 p.m.

    National Championship?

    I say bring it on.

    Just like 2008 when BYU boldly set its goal as the Quest for Perfection...

    And Utah quietly achieved it.

    Could BYU be setting the stage for a Utah NC?

    I like the precident.

  • Dr Rosenrosen Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 27, 2011 8:49 p.m.

    Get ready. Here come the trolls.