Utah Utes football: Utes prepare for diet of quality Pac-12 opponents

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  • FormerBYUfan Magna, UT
    Aug. 29, 2011 12:21 a.m.


    ***It's funny how Utah fans don't have any problem tearing down BCS teams like Oklahoma, UCLA, Oregon, and Oregon State, when BYU has played and beaten those teams***

    We aren't saying that any of those teams are bad. We are just stating that Oklahoma wasn't a top 25 team, except in pre-season polls which don't matter. Was the Oklahoma win big? Sure, but it wasn't like beating a top 10 Alabama or TCU team. Make sense?

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 7:44 p.m.

    byu116970 | 6:50 p.m. Aug. 28, 2011
    Tooele, Utah

    You're right. Much better to play a WAC schedule and go to the Armed Services Bowl.


  • byu116970 Tooele, Utah
    Aug. 28, 2011 6:50 p.m.

    A 7-5 ute will be in the vegas bowl or poin.....bowl nothing changes except your wrapper lol

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 6:43 p.m.

    BYU has the toughest schedule of any team in America. Once we go undefeated, Jake will haven proven all of his comments true.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 4:44 p.m.


    I think you're confused.

    When BYU fans cite cumulative Top 25 poll finishes for BYU, they don't have to specify which poll, because when BYU has been ranked, the Cougars have ALWAYS been ranked in BOTH polls.

    When BYU won the national championship, they were ranked #1 in BOTH polls.

    The Cougars were #7 in both polls in 1983 leading up to their NC.

    And in 1996, BYU finished #5 in both polls after winning the Cotton Bowl.

    Far different from Utah which finished #2/#4 in 2008, #4/#5 in 2004, and unranked/#23 in 2010.

    It's funny how Utah fans don't have any problem tearing down BCS teams like Oklahoma, UCLA, Oregon, and Oregon State, when BYU has played and beaten those teams, but now claim that you can't use the mediocre 2010 records of Utah's 2011 opponents to judge how difficult Utah's schedule will be, but you can use the mediocre 2010 records of BYU's 2011 opponents to judge the strength of BYU 2011 schedule.

    Try showing just a smidgeon of consistency Utah fans.

    The NCAA recognized BOTH the AP championship of USC AND the BCS championship of LSU in 2003; how is that "mythological"?

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 4:27 p.m.

    I just thought it would be fun to look at National Championships of the opponents the Utes will be facing. I didn't know Montana State had done it twice, but they have.

    Montana 2 (non-Div I NCs)
    USC 11
    BYU 1
    Wash. 2
    AZ St. 2
    Pitt 9
    Cal 5
    Ore St. 0
    AZ 0
    UCLA 1
    Wa St. 0
    CO 1

    They have a pretty good bevy of opponents. It will be fun seeing how they fare. I hope they do well.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Aug. 28, 2011 3:37 p.m.

    "It's easy to understand why Utah fans are always confused on the whole BCS/national championship thing."

    The cougars can be just as misguided and inconsistent on the boards when it comes to AP and coaches/BCS.

    Daily they talk of Utah's final AP finishes compared to BYU's (because of selection bias---Utah was ranked in the coaches last year, but not the AP). But then they always quote Utah's "#4" ranking in 2008---compared to #2 in the AP. It's convienient for them to choose which poll and when because they want to shed the program to be less than what it is.

    Kinda like your post regarding the PAC-12.

    And some cougar fans don't realize how the NCAA works, either:
    The NCAA does not reward a national championship in Division 1-A (FBS) football. The winner of the AFCA Coaches' Trophy, is the winner of the BCS "national championship" game, and therefore ranked #1 in the coaches poll. The trophy does not state "NCAA" champions as other sports do. Therefore, Div-1A remains a "mythologic national championship". The BCS, like the AP, is voted upon, and therefore is subject to many interpretations.

    We get it, thanks.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 28, 2011 3:08 p.m.

    Nice to see jealous little brother Y fans out once again nipping at the Utes heal. It makes me laugh every time as I know what drives their action; it's the opposite of confidence.

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 1:53 p.m.

    Byu's home schedule this year is : UCF
    Utah State = 3rd worst WAC team last year
    San Jose State = Record last year was 1-11 (WAC)
    Idaho State = Record last year was 1-10 (Big Sky)
    Idaho = Record last year was 6-7 (WAC)
    San Jose State = 1-12 (WAC)

    How sad

  • ZelphExists Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 1:47 p.m.

    Are we seriously debating strength of schedules? Wow, and Y fans accuse Ute fans of trolling?

  • B Logan, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 1:27 p.m.

    I, for one, will lament the end of the Utes series with New Mexico. It was always a boring game...except those years where New Mexico embarrassed Utah. That was fun.

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 12:52 p.m.

    Cannot compare PAC 12 to independence because good teams beat up on eac other. A 7-5 record for Utah is much stronger than a 9-3 BYU schedule.

    Where would BYU end up with Utah's schedule?

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 12:50 p.m.


    I already gave you the composite of the schedules for Utah and BYU based on last year's result.

    Utah - 73-76 (zero opponents with 10+ win seasons)

    BYU - 72-79 (four opponents with 10+ win seasons)

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Aug. 28, 2011 12:47 p.m.


    Thank you for making some valid points, but my point remains this - you can't judge a conference's strength solely based on it's #1 team.



    Playing a challenging schedule will cause good teams to lose some of their games. The win-loss record is important, but who they beat, and even who they lose to, also matters.

    Only BYU homers would suggest that Utah's 2011 schedule is weak. If you can't take my word for it because I'm a Utah fan, just spend 10 minutes searching for unbiased opinions of Utah's and BYU's schedule.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 12:19 p.m.


    excluding USC, BYU has won more Concensus National Championships (#1 in both the AP and Coaches Polls) than the rest of the PAC 12 COMBINED!

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 12:15 p.m.


    "didn't USC only forfeit one of their two consecutive championships?"

    It's easy to understand why Utah fans are always confused on the whole BCS/national championship thing.

    They're constantly beating the BCS drum, but when it comes to citing their final rankings, they completely ignore the official BCS poll, the Coaches Poll, and refer only to the AP Poll, which is completly separate from the BCS.

    USC did forfeit its only BCS championship, but won back-to-back AP national championships.

    Despite the misguided opinions of some jealous Utah fans, the AP national champion is SELECTED in exactly the same way today as it was in 1984, by a majority of AP voters choosing the team they consider to be deserving of being awarded the national championship for that particular year.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 12:14 p.m.

    Coverage is so uneven and unfair!! No where can I find the article "Cougars prepare for diet of quality WAC opponents".

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Aug. 28, 2011 12:03 p.m.


    Are you suggesting that a conference's strength is best judged by the strongest team it presents each year?

    If you took Alabama and put them in the WAC, would you then say the WAC is a powerful conference?

    Jeff Sagarin is predicting that the Pac-12 will be second only to the SEC in the upcoming football season. He (his computer model) believes that 8 of the 12 teams will be in top 35 for the nation.

    According to Sagarin, over the past 10 years, the Pac-10 has been the fourth toughest conference three times, third best three times, second best three times, and the best once.

    Phil Steele says the Pac-10 was #4 in 2010, and will be #3 in 2011.

    The SEC has been the best conference over the last decade, but to suggest that the Pac-12 has been and will be weak just because they have only won one national championship (didn't USC only forfeit one of their two consecutive championships?) is myopic.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 11:24 a.m.

    Combined 2010 records of this season's opponents:

    Utah - 73-76 (zero opponents with 10+ win seasons)

    BYU - 72-79 (four opponents with 10+ win seasons)

    Utah's PAC 12 Opponents

    USC 8-5 (hamstrung with scholy reductions)
    Wash 7-6
    Ariz 6-6
    Cal 5-7
    OSU 5-7
    Ariz 7-6
    UCLA 4-8
    WSU 2-10
    Colo 5-7

    Only one of Utah's PAC 12 opponents had a better record than BYU(7-6), and that team, USC, has no incentive to excel this season.

    So much for that "quality" PAC 12 schedule.

  • neimfrence layton, ut
    Aug. 28, 2011 9:44 a.m.

    As a rational college football fan, I will give props to the Utes - They deserve to be in the PAC-12. Their play over the past 8 years definitely contributed to their invitation into the PAC-12.

    However, rationality must also extend to looking at the big picture, which includes the comparative strength of the PAC-10. Here's how the PAC-10 has fared since the BCS' inception:

    BCS Championships by conference:
    ACC, Big10, Big East--1
    PAC10 ----0 (USC forced to vacate)

    In other words, except for a USC program which was essentially operating as a professional franchise, the PAC-10 has won exactly as many BCS championships as Utah, TCU, and Boise State.

    I think Utah may have a decent chance of competing in this conference.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 8:27 a.m.

    A steady diet of PAC opponents. Better stock up on antacid tablets and pepto.

  • byu116970 Tooele, Utah
    Aug. 28, 2011 5:36 a.m.

    Where are all the utes? Oh, they are to busy posting on byu articles.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 27, 2011 10:06 p.m.

    Hey Dirk,

    You missed a Pac school. What about our series with Stanford?