BYU football: Simulating Ole Miss, conditions tall task for Cougars

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  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Aug. 29, 2011 12:51 a.m.

    To TomahawkRed: Yes, that would be sad, but don't count on it. I am looking forward to you having to eat your words. I think BYU will be just fine. Will you come on this post and eat crow if your predictions are not correct? My bet is that you will turn tail and we will neither see nor hear from you again for awhile, until you think we have all forgotten your post. We will see.

  • Uncle Rico Coug AMERICAN FORK, UT
    Aug. 27, 2011 3:38 p.m.

    Remember BYU has the practice of drinking pickle juice especially before a game where it will be hot and/or hot and humid. That prevents against cramps, etc. and has proven be be very helpful over the years.

    And to Tomahawk Red...isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? Your red faced Utes have nothing to crow about for last year! The Cougs beat your team everywhere but the scoreboard and litterally beat themselves.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Aug. 26, 2011 7:14 p.m.

    I've seen dry heat and humidity. They both stink. But BYU, arguably, should be more used to a drier heat, being from Utah. But I agree with Starfarer, it will be a minor factor in the game. But any good game plan should at least account for those factors. "Be prepared."

    Oneill Chambers?

    Where's all of the pats on the back to this kid? Brandon Davies comes back and he's heralded as a brave young man, a role model for our youth. O'Neill Chambers has stayed enrolled, is trying to make it back to the team, and nary a mention from the fans on this board. Interesting.

    Tomahawk, short memory eh? BYU is ALWAYS hyped like this by the DN and their fans in August. In fact, I think BYU has arguably some the most optimistic fans I have ever been around. And I wouldn't worry about thier realistic-ness regarding other teams either, particularly the U. At least 4 regulars on here have predicted Montana State to win.

    Whether their optimism translates into the 11-1 or 12-0 season many of them are predicting is yet to be seen.

    But it will be a fun year.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 26, 2011 5:39 p.m.

    Utes will not win six games this year.

  • noname12 BOUNTIFUL, UT
    Aug. 26, 2011 3:30 p.m.

    @Tomahawk... Decent UofU fans should be upset with you right now because posts like yours make the entire fanbase look bad.

    When BYU is more hyped, you absolutely love it because BYU will choke and Utah will have no pressure? If the roles were reversed and Utah was more hyped your story would change and you would say you absolutely love it because Utah is going to be so good and BYU is going to be so bad.

    BYU came within 5 points of losing to Wyoming at home. Utah came within 1 point of losing to that mediocre BYU team at home. And speaking of needing a mole in the replay booth to win a game... Everyone knows Brandon Bradley did not fumble that 4th quarter interception.

    The biggest gem of your post was about BYU not showing up at TCU... You might want to check your own team's schedule last year before you bring up TCU... BYU @ TCU 31-3. TCU @ Utah 47-7. So despite BYU being on the road and Utah being at home, TCU still beat Utah by 12 more points than they beat BYU.

    Jealousy (and ignorance) really makes people act stupid.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    Aug. 26, 2011 3:03 p.m.

    Thanks for verifying the insecurity and insignificance of all-things-Utah.

  • the_beav SLC, UT
    Aug. 26, 2011 2:46 p.m.

    You realize that this season will setup the future of the Utes right, and that everything is on the line? Nobody in the history of college football has ever had this kind of pressure.
    If they Utes go 10 - 2 they will firmly establish that they do "belong" and will have many successful recruiting years ahead. HOWEVER... if they go 6-6, or 5-7 they will prove that they don't belong. The perception will be that they will be the bottom dwellers of the pack 12, and good luck getting recruits to come to Utah if they aren't winning. Remember Utah will now be directly competing with Pack 12 schools for recruits, schools with a lot to offer.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Aug. 26, 2011 1:31 p.m.

    "-fell to WAC team Nevada at home"

    Tomahawk Red:

    You do remember that this "WAC" team beat the other "WAC" team that whipped your utes in Vegas, don't you? That was the game where your utes put up 3 points. Remember??

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Aug. 26, 2011 1:25 p.m.

    Tomahawk Red:

    The bottom line is, you are an expert in your own mind.

    I hate to break the news to you, but the Cougars will crush your utes on 17 Sept. That will come after SC initiates you to the pac 10.2.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 26, 2011 1:02 p.m.

    @Tomahawk Red

    The utes will lose at least the fisrt three games and will not play a bowl game. Sorry for the bad news, but you may want to put the tomahawk away for a few years.

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 26, 2011 11:05 a.m.


    Agreed, come play football in AZ.

    I am on the phone constantly with people from the south who say things like...

    "You have no idea what it feels like here. It is 90 degrees here and with the humidity it feels like it's 105 degrees."

    "well" I say, "right outside my window the thermometer says it is 117 degrees."

    "Well," they say, "with the humidity the heat index is 105 degrees here."

    To which I say, "it is actually 117 degrees right now. It feels like 117 degrees right now."

    "But it's a dry heat."

    Now. I have lived in Southeast Asia, where 90 degrees and 90% humidity is a cool breezy day. Don't get me wrong. I get it, it feels hot

    But when it is 117 degrees here, the heat index is actually 117 degrees, dry heat or not. Last time I checked, a heat index of 117 is hotter than 105.

    I don't want to downplay the struggle of humidity, or altitude, or wind or whatever any particular stadium location issues there are, but it is not going to be the deciding factor in the game. BYU will do just fine.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 26, 2011 11:01 a.m.

    @Tomahawk Red

    It's funny how you talk so much trash about BYU's shortcomings last season (and we all know there were many of them) but you don't mention the EPIC meltdowns from your Utes last season.

    - got CRUSHED at home by TCU 47-7
    - got EMBARRASSED on national TV by Notre Dame
    - came within 1 point of losing to a below average BYU team with a freshman QB at home
    - got SPANKED in their bowl by WAC Boise State

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 26, 2011 10:49 a.m.


    I think that is a great idea, although they would probably have to bring in some portable heaters to get the temp up that high. It would give them a chance to see who is susceptible to the high heat/humidity and who gets cramped up. My guess is the boys who are from the western states would struggle the most, while those from Texas and eastern states would be able to handle it better.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Aug. 26, 2011 10:42 a.m.

    It's way too far away to predict anything weather wise. What I've found is that whatever the weather is 7 days from now, it usually is always the opposite when the actual day comes.

    Starfarer, great post! So true! See, everyone else is jumping conferences. BYU is going independent. BYU has more pressure to win now to show people they are a for real independent team and can compete with teams out East. Utah just has to get second place to play in the championship game, and they miss the two powerhouses in the conference this year. I can see why expectations are low. Pressure will be very high though because they are playing a solid MSU team, as well as BYU and Pitt on the road.

  • There's always room for Jello Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 26, 2011 10:21 a.m.

    Weather service is now predicting a high of 89 degrees with scattered thunderstorms that day in Oxford.

  • Runner Chandler, AZ
    Aug. 26, 2011 10:19 a.m.

    Why don't they crank up the temperature in the indoor practice facility to about 95-100 degrees to try to simulate the heat index of Mississippi? It is supposed to be 90 degrees with high humidity next Saturday in Oxford. Go ahead and crank up the heat, turn that place into a sauna and test out the hydration techniques. Here in AZ they play football when it is 100 degrees at 7:00 pm. The Cougs could certainly do it and get used to the heat.

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 26, 2011 10:01 a.m.


    You are right. No one in the media is expecting much from the u.

    Isn't that interesting. Even after two BCS wins and a move to the PAC 10.2...

    No one cares.

    Kind of puts your two BCS wins into perspective huh?

    Three years later, no one cares.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    Aug. 26, 2011 9:54 a.m.

    The heat and humidity will be brutal. I hope the boys are in great condition and that the depth pays off. One week to go.

  • Mesa Coug Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 26, 2011 9:12 a.m.

    Hey red

    Obsessed much? Why don't you worry about your own team. We'll do just fine.

  • lasermann Orem, UT
    Aug. 26, 2011 9:07 a.m.

    @Tomahawk --

    When you say "basically the same team," do you mean "a team that was made up of mostly Freshman and Sophomores last year that gained experience and improved throughout last year, had a great Spring camp and is now ready to put a beat-down on Utah and several other teams?"

    Yep, that's what I thought.

  • belgie Tualatin, OR
    Aug. 26, 2011 7:46 a.m.

    Tomahawk - you're confusing pressure and expectations with interest. And you're proving it.

    I'm glad to see Chambers still around, and even more glad to hear he'll probably be in the secondary. Good athleticism, but not the best hands. Secondary is where he belongs.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Aug. 26, 2011 2:14 a.m.

    I absolutely love this.

    The media... especially the local media... is hyping BYU up so big this year. It's only gonna result in a lot of pressure and expectations... and severe disappointment and crushed souls when they fall on their face (and losing to Utah State for the 2nd yeear in a row... this time at home).

    Meanwhile, nobody in the media is expecting much out of Utah this year. So we'll go in with no pressure and no expectations... and then impress when we start winning.

    I wouldn't have drawn this up any other way. Because here's the bottom line: BYU is basically the same 'mediocre/borderline bad' team from 2010 that:

    -came within 5 points of losing to Wyoming at home.
    -got blown out by Air Force.
    -didn't show up in Tallahassee.
    -fell to WAC team Nevada at home
    -lost to the Aggies
    -needed a mole in the replay booth to beat SDSU
    -didn't show up in Fort Worth
    -CHOKED vs. Utah after being up 17-0 in the 4th

    Can't wait for BYU's fall from grace... part II.