Utah Jazz: Enes Kanter may be simply unlucky

Turkish big man excited to play after sitting for nearly 2 years

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  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    Sept. 18, 2011 6:51 p.m.

    i read an article...about...Valaciunas and Kanter...during the recent league...and...they have almost similar stats...Valaciunas leads Kanter by just 0.4 pts...but shoots an extremely efficient 70+%...on FG and FT...Kanter...rebounds more than Valaciunas...shoots at 50-60%FG and 65+% FT...

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    Sept. 11, 2011 6:10 p.m.


    I saw the Germany Turkey...with the Kanter Highlights...and i saw his move against Kaman...and it was good...he has Solid Low Post moves...he knows how to use his body...he only needs playing time...the confidence is there...the european game...is very different from the NBA...but i like what i see in Kanter...its going to be extremely tough...for the team...to make minutes...for 6 guys in 2 positions....Al Jeff...Paul Millsap...Al Jefferson...Enes Kanter...Memo Okur...that is Depth...on the front court...Millsap would probably get minutes at the 3...right now...im having trouble distributing the minutes...to the guys on the Team...but im sure...once the lockout is over....the GMs...would start calling...wheelin and dealin....

  • Anonigma Murray, UT
    Sept. 10, 2011 12:05 a.m.

    @Everyone who wants to see an Euro game

    Search: "Germany vs Turkey (09.09.2011)"

    Someone uploaded the whole game. See how Kanter plays against Nowitzki! Man, and I thought Nowitzki was lacking in the tourney....turns out I was wrong.

    It's a good game, considering we probably won't see any NBA action for quite a while

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    Sept. 9, 2011 2:40 a.m.

    @ Anonigma

    I feel ya man...that's why i wanna look at the videos...to understand how good a player is....you really need to watch him move with or without the ball...the decisions...how he set picks...how he rotates...does he box out...and stuff...that's why i rather watch him play...guess i have to watch through the net...though...i thought...it would be easy to get 10-10 from him...its still too early anyway...and im sure...he's a monster waiting to happen...for now...im focusing on Football....NFL is here....and im a Bears fan...and its not going well for me...lol

  • Anonigma Murray, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 10:03 p.m.


    Yeah, Kanter did have a nice move on Gasol though in that game. Turk vs. France was pretty bad too, although he had some nice blocks on Noah.

    The problem is you have you to take Euro stats with a grain of salt. Turkey is like the Euro Golden State. It's better to watch Kanter in game and see how he plays w/ and w/o the ball. His strength is what pops out at you. He man-handles people down in the post. You should see his Euro highlights on youtube.

    I get twitter feeds from Favors, Miles, Hayward, and Burks.
    Based solely upon those feeds, Favors is working very hard in Atlanta. Supposedly he was in an Atlanta Pro Am league and his team was in the championships...although nothing can be found on the net...

    I can't understand Miles or Burks. Hayward and Burks both are working together in Indiana. Hayward is in the #Lockout League with some other Indy pros. They play Durantula, Wall, and others this upcoming week...it's a huge game.

    Jeremy Evans just signed up for the Impact League. That should be very exciting.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    Sept. 7, 2011 5:14 p.m.

    wow...just 2 pts and 1 reb in 14 mins of play?...against marc gasol and serge ibaka?...i was expecting at least 10-10..he is still young though...we really wouldnt know what he'll become...all he has now...is potential...i hope he'll work extremely hard on his game...I really hope the Jazz players are working on their game...i wish Favors would take the opportunity of the lockout...to gain more solid post moves...and a go to move...probably...go to hakeem and learn a few moves?...practice his shooting...since i saw this vid of him, Hayward and Evans last year...a practice shooting with Hornacek...i noticed that Favors releases the ball as he goes down on his shot...Evans...hope he adds some muscle but still have that hops...and Hayward...hope he improves further...i really view him as a bigger Manu...if the core youth group of our team...worked together next year...i mean..become sort of like brothers...our team would dominate in the years to come....

  • Kanterfans SANDY, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 2:44 p.m.

    Enes Kanter should be fine once he can start playing with the pros on their court. Practice and hard work will transform this guy into a real machine. Kanterfans support him now and in the future as a Utah Jazz player. We hope for him the best of luck in the transitional phase he is having to go through. As with most of the rookies this year, frustration of the system is inevitable. Maybe, after the lockout ends things will look more promising for rookies and fans alike. In the meantime, NFL will have to suffice.

  • Anonigma Murray, UT
    Sept. 5, 2011 7:48 p.m.

    My bad, the next game will be vs. France at noon on Wednesday.

  • Anonigma Murray, UT
    Sept. 5, 2011 7:35 p.m.

    Yeah, the Spain game was bad for Kanter. He just couldn't get into the game. Serge Ibaka and Marc Gasol were Spain's frontcourt btw, no Pau today. I hope length doesn't bother him.

    Turkey advanced to the next round, so there will be at least 4 more games.
    ESPN3 is a good resource to watch these games. They also have the FIBA Euro scoreboards.

    Next game is Wednesday at 9AM (Utah time). Just search "FIBA ESPN" on google.
    The schedule is empty, but there'll be games when they determine the brackets.

  • Calgary Calgary, AB
    Sept. 5, 2011 5:45 p.m.

    2pts, 1 reb in 14 min vs Spain and P.Gasol did not play. Kakashi you can catch Eurobasket games live on FIBA official Eurobasket2011 page or on espn, or on numerous websites who stream live sports.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    Sept. 5, 2011 4:48 p.m.


    Hope you could inform us...with the Turkey - Spain Game...hope we could get videos...i want to see how he moves without the ball and on D...

  • Anonigma Murray, UT
    Sept. 5, 2011 12:58 a.m.

    Those who are interested should look up the FIBA scores. Kanter got a team high 19 points and 5 reb on 22 mins versus Portugal. I believe that's his best game. 9-10 from the free throw line...

    Portugal's a short team though. Tomorow at 8:45AM on FIBA is the real test versus Spain and the Gasol bros.

  • JFFR Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 1, 2011 8:01 a.m.

    @byronbca- thanks for the update. I wish someone at the DESNEWS WOULD ALSO GIVE US AN UPDATE!!!

    I'm having to search through random blogs to find out how Kanter is doing. Us JAZZ FANS ARE SUFFERING. Give us something!!!! Its been a long, lonely summer!

    The games are on ESPN3... I'm stuck at work so I can't watch them. Can't someone at DesNews watch the games and write an article for us?

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 8:07 p.m.

    Kanter just had 14 points on 7 0f 9 shooting with 7 boards in his first non exhibition game with Turkey.

  • scalman Temecula, CA
    Aug. 29, 2011 9:35 p.m.

    There is some justice in the world. Kanter and Fes actually getting to play competitively while American pros sit. Yeah, I know, some of the American pros are going to play some Euro ball, too... just time for a little chuckle here. This could turn out fine, Kanter getting back into playing shape, finding his game again. I'm not worried about things...football is here and the Jazz will be back.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    Aug. 24, 2011 6:42 p.m.

    I have to side with Calgary on this one....i mean...we are...a pick and roll team right?....that's Jonas V specialty....if he saw the plays we run...it would probably easy for him...since he loves to set picks...and roll ro the paint....But....and that's a big But...I'd give him a chance....for like 3-5 years....before calling him a bust....he hasnt played in two years...anyone who hasnt played competitive ball in two years...will get rusty....timing will be off...mental side of the game will definitely be off...second guessing your moves...remember MJ...when he first returned to basketball after his baseball stint...although...they went to the playoffs...i think he was a bit rusty at the time...a year later...he was back to his dominating self and won 3 straight rings then got bored and retired...

  • Large Tuna Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 24, 2011 4:20 p.m.

    @gchris: and the answer to that question will be "Who's Jimmer Fredette?..."

  • BillM75 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 23, 2011 3:06 p.m.

    Kanter has a lot of the things you can't coach, but he is very young, raw & rusty. At least he's finally back on the court. Icing his knees is just common sense. I think he'll be fine paired with the much more mobile athletic Favors.

    With all the qualifiers noted, Jonas seems like he could be an absolute monster. He obv didn't want to play for the Cavs (and likely Jazz either), and his agent was very tricky about his contract situ. But knowing there almost cert won't be a season... Picking Kanter over Jonas is one thing, but Tristan Thompson?

    Burks is going to be a terror if Corbin turns him loose to slash and draw fouls. Thankfully Sloan is gone or he'd rot on the bench because he "doesn't fit The (Ringless) System". Focus on what guys can do, not can't do. What an outside-inside combo he & Hayward could be.

    Burks 3pt shot mechanics look fine in the recent vids I've seen. He's big, fast and can really get to the hoop. What a steal at 12 in that cruddy draft. He & Jonas might be the best players from it, tho I'm bullish on Enes too.

  • JFFR Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 23, 2011 11:44 a.m.

    @armchairQBonthehil- from what I understand there was a private school that waived his tuition to come play basketball for them. I don't think it was considered a hand out or a shady deal. From what I understand (and I don't live in Europe, so I could be wrong) the family did nothing wrong. I think his parents just wanted him to go to the best school possible.

    I heard another interview where they talked about how Kanter comes from a great family that Utahns would relate well with. His parents are professors at universities or something (the person saying this obviously doesn't understand Utah very well, cause I doubt European professors would have many beliefs that Utahns like! But atleast we appreciate a strong family :))

  • ed Los Olivos, CA
    Aug. 23, 2011 11:15 a.m.

    Can't the haters wait until he gets here, to lay siege to the guy? Remember Humphries? He was terrible as a 19-year-old with quite a bit of college experience. Now he is married to a celebrity.

    Kobe scored 7 points a game as a rookie and shot only 41%. He had more turnovers than assists.....and that was with lots of help.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 10:47 p.m.

    Yeah, the guy from Turkey is unlucky. Worked hard, improved his game, then blew out his achilles. The other one who lost a college season because he got paid $30k, that's what happens when you break the rules.

  • armchairQBonthehill Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 3:00 p.m.

    Nice article . . that explained a few things that I hadn't seen before in the media. But the glaring thing for me, that also has remained under the radar on this Jazz pick is that what kind of a "character guy" is Enes if he is taking handouts - - that eventually caught up with him and cost him his college career? I thought the Jazz were high on "character". Who is to say he wouldn't be taking handouts from dubious characters as a pro?

  • Calgary Calgary, AB
    Aug. 22, 2011 2:31 p.m.

    @Anonigma lets get facts straight, for Jonas Valanciunas same as for Kanter these are first ever games with National senior team. So there this no advantage in familiarity and just bare advantage in playing time as Jonas had major minutes only in the game vs Russia, other games he played about the same as Kanter. I could agree that Lithuania has better PG's and they utilize Jonas pick and roll game better then Turkey utilizing Kanter's post up/isolation game though.

  • 9er4life Provo, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 2:18 p.m.

    I think Kanter will be allright once he is comfortable with his teammates. At the #3 pick, I think the jazz did the right thing by picking him. With such a weak draft, there just wasn't anyone out there deserving of the 3 pick. I think Alec Burgs is going to be an absolute stud with his athleticism. I can't believed he dropped to 12th pick. Go jazz.

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    Aug. 22, 2011 1:29 p.m.

    Years from now, Enes Kanter will be the answer to the trivia question: Who did the Utah Jazz pick instead of Jimmer Fredette?

  • Anonigma Murray, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 12:41 p.m.

    I've seen a little bit of Kanter over the past few weeks

    Not much can be analyzed from these games however because of 3 reasons.
    1) Turkey plays at a Junior Jazz level.
    2) Euro ball is much less team oriented. He barely gets the ball.
    3) Kanter's not very familiar to his teammates. As a result, communication is lacking, especially on screens. On the other hand, Jonas Valuncianus is much more familiar with his teammates and also gets much more time than Kanter, who has to fight for minutes with Asik and Erden.

    3 Good things I noticed about his game:
    1) Plays with a very high motor and strength. He'll be an elite rebounder and great man-to-man defender. He makes you fight for the spot and also fights for every rebound.
    2) All his point have mostly come from O-rebounds.
    3) Involved in every play. Improves every game. Stats don't tell the whole story behind him...His points/minute last game were the highest on both teams.

  • Calgary Calgary, AB
    Aug. 22, 2011 12:16 p.m.

    @byronbca... it was 12 pts/4reb not 14, other game he played vs Germany he failed to score and had 4 reb and in game vs Greece he had 0pts, 0reb. Vs Serbia he had 6pts/1reb, vs Belgium 7pts,8reb and vs Ukraine 7pts/6reb ( Fesenko had 7pts/8reb... Jonas Valanciunas on the other hand in 6 friendlies Lithuania played so far had 5 double dig scoring nights, two double doubles ( 26pts/11reb vs Czech R. and 13pts/16reb vs Russia ) and more then held his own vs NBA players like Gasol brothers, Ibaka, AK and Mozgov. To early to tell of course but so far it looks like Jazz and Cavs are going to regret missing on JV and Raptors ended up with biggest steal.

  • The Rabbit (in Spanish) Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 11:45 a.m.

    I'm confused. I thought taking two years off from playing sports was an unfair advantage for the player. Perhaps if they put a suit and tie on him, had him walk around knocking on doors all day, then he could have been in better shape to dominate.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 10:30 a.m.

    Re Madden:

    Because drafting solid college players might get you to the playoffs but rolling the dice on a kid with huge upside can help win in the playoffs.

    From what I saw Kanter looked really good in 1 on 1 situations and rebounding, it was the team stuff that he struggled with. The team aspect of basketball can be learned, but the raw talent and size that Kanter possess can't be taught.

    It took Hayward 6 months before he started to look like he knew was he was doing. It's not fair to condemn Kanter after 3 games. He did have 14 points against Germany.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 10:21 a.m.

    Are the freshly drafted players already under contract for the 2011-12 NBA season (if there is one)? I thought the Jazz had the rights to Kanter, but I didn't think we had signed him, yet.

  • Madden Herriman, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 10:00 a.m.

    This is the problem with drafting unknowns - of course they have nice highlight reels, they cherry pick the best clips!

    Why the NBA execs continue to reach for potential (i.e. too young or too little info on international players) is beyond me. Start picking up successful college players who have shown they can play at a high level against very good competition in high-pressure situations.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 9:22 a.m.

    I watched some clips on youtube that pointed out the good and the bad and I thought that he showed flashes he could be really good, but also struggled at times.

    Here is what one NBA analyst thought after watching 3 games: "it should become obvious that Kanter needs a little more work than probably expected. The good thing about it is that some of the things that need correct (help defense, recognizing double teams, setting screens) are things that tend to get better with more experience."

    The talent is there but he is either raw or rusty or a little bit of both.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 8:59 a.m.

    Unlucky Kanter...Unlucky draft...Unlucky Jazz...Unlucky year...Unlucky...Unlucky...Unlucky.

  • BrianDavis1326 Clearfield, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2011 8:58 a.m.

    Yeah, he's mighty unlucky. He's about to become rich putting a little ball in a hoop...if only we all had that luck. Yeah, I know, the story is about him being unlucky from a basketball sense, but please, choose the headline name better next time.

  • JFFR Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 8:32 a.m.

    Kanter played in the Euro tournament last week. Apparently he looked like a 19 year old (he wasn't great.) You could watch the games online, unfortunately I was working. Did anyone at the DesNews watch the games? Could you give us an update on what you thought?

  • Calgary Calgary, AB
    Aug. 22, 2011 7:59 a.m.

    So far in those friendlies ( I watched 4 from 6) Kanter showed me nothing that he is worth 3 pick. Slow on help defense, little lift, poor screens, numerous bricked layups. Some flashes of post up moves and rebounding but in general very rusty so far. Fesenko gave him fits in game vs Ukraine, Koufos outplayed him badly in game vs Greece. Of course after not playing for almost 2 years it was hard to expect anything better, plus Turkey as a team is horrible and is full of one on one chuckers. Jazz fans will need to be very patient with him as he is not close to producing in NBA on regular basis.

  • Coyoteghost Saint George, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 6:40 a.m.

    Ice on knees, and hasn't played in two years? What doth the future hold for the Iceman?

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 9:39 p.m.

    Kanter may have been unlucky, but unlike most NBA players he will be playing competitive basketball for his national team. Hopefully he'll get some good coaching and will be able to improve his game. I can't wait to see this guy play, hopefully we won't have to wait another year.