Dick Harmon: BYU's football focus should stay on the here and now

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  • idaho cougar fan Twin Falls, ID
    Aug. 22, 2011 2:25 p.m.

    mgr63, if OU and OSU leave BYU probably doesn't join the Big 12. I know you have issues with BYU, but don't try the "BYU is too religous and not mainstream" enough to get an invite to the Big 12. If A&M leaves, BYU's chances of NOT getting an invite are slim. Whether they accept it or not is probably the question.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Aug. 22, 2011 9:08 a.m.

    @Idaho Coug, honestly they have Big 12 talk shows, news events seemingly every day as we approach football season. Not one pundit in Texas has said a word about BYU that I've heard. Not one conference official has insinuated anything concerning BYU. That is a fact. Yes, I have read a few articles speculating by a myriad of people. The odds of BYU getting a Big 12 invite are slim, if at all. BYU just doesn't fit in with mainstream universities at all. But, one never knows? Maybe if OU and OSU jumps ship.......? Then the Big 12 will look like the MWC. I hope the indy thing works out, but scheduling will be VERY challenging for BYU to have a legit schedule of decent competition towards the end of the season. And, I believe that the ESPN contract could be in jeopardy if BYU loses against good teams and continues to play 5-6 WAC cupcakes the last weeks of each season. That is just not good football and people wont watch it. I know I won't be! Too many SEC, Big 12 and PAC-12 games to watch. Good luck to BYU!

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    Aug. 22, 2011 7:39 a.m.

    There are a myriad of other sportswriter types

    No, Mr Harmon: "there are myriad other sportswriter types". There is no such thing as "a myriad". When you use "myriad" just think "many" and you'll use it properly.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 12:53 a.m.

    BYU is kind of in a lose-lose scenario here.

    If the Big XII wants them, it's almost impossible to turn down a spot in the BCS.

    But at the same time, bolting for the Big XII when they just barely went independent and signed the ESPN deal would make BYU look fickle and weak. It would make all their talk about the freedoms and benefits of independence look like lip service.

    If the invite comes, it will be interesting to see what they do.

  • digitalayon PROVO, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 12:26 a.m.

    Who cares what articles say? No invite, no rumor. It is too easy to state opinions. Speculation is too easy to run crazy off a rumor. Lke the one someone on campus started last year that the Big 12 commish was going to be at the BYU, Washington game and meeting with church officials that weekend. There were reporters hanging out all day by the elevators.

  • idaho cougar fan Twin Falls, ID
    Aug. 21, 2011 11:58 p.m.


    Is that TV news or newspaper and blog news? I've read 3 or 4 articles in a week about the columnist from Big 12 country saying if A&M leaves they should invite BYU. Win or lose Big 12 people want BYU if A&M jumps ship. Read some articles.

  • digitalayon PROVO, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 11:51 p.m.

    I really want this I dependant thing to work. But my problems sitting in the back of my head that will not go away are simply we signed Weber State the other day. Is scheduling all that hard? If it is, then we need a better plan. Complete waste if you ask me. We need to be after the big dogs. The other thing is the wcc. Yes I know they are helping us out. But going to most of their high school courts they call arenas, are simply not in our class. Then we have other sports in another conference. This seems crazy.....we need to accept an invite as much as I would like to see this all work. I would even be happy to stay put and have all sports except for football in the mwc or big 12. Doubt that would be allowed but it would be my choice for that and then say no more Weber state. Bottom line is we accept if offered! The beast has evaded us for too long.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Aug. 21, 2011 10:19 p.m.

    I think that BYU had better concentrate on winning football games at this point. They almost have to win as I see it. Their first half of the season offers some serious challenges for a mid major team who finished last year with a 7-6 record who barely beat only one team with a winning record, SDSU, and that was disputed due to the very suspect replay booth controversy. The ESPN contract could also disappear(bought out) due to poor TV ratings if BYU struggles as I think they will. Not many people wanna watch WAC teams playing BYU, especially when great conference games will be televised towards the end of the season. There are too many factors that will most likely prevent a BCS conference to offer an invite to BYU in my opinion. Big 12 news is on every day here in Dallas and I have not heard anyone mention BYU yet. If BYU starts the season with a couple losses, the whole dynamic will change and it won't be good for the Y. I wish BYU luck......because they have their hands full currently.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Aug. 21, 2011 9:53 p.m.

    Hey D News moniter, what is your problem tonight? Why are you denying my comments? Do you go to BYU? I bet you do.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Aug. 21, 2011 9:49 p.m.

    BYU should join the Big 12. Because A&M, UT, OU and OSU will be gone in the next five years.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 8:59 p.m.

    The here and now for BYU football is another national championship. Can't wait for the season to start.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 8:34 p.m.

    @forreal people

    I'm sorry but you are just wrong about this:

    "Another point to all those commenting about BYU needing to keep byutv and their espn deal. That is just not important. the whole reason for seeking those resources what to escape the bad exposure in the MWC, and to have way more national exposure and of course money. and alignment with the big twelve will forward those two goals more than BYU's current tv deal."

    There is no chance BYU has 10 games on ESPN if they go to the big12 and function under their deal. The exposure they have with independence actually amkes them, according to ESPN exec's, the team with the most exposure in the entire nation other than perhaps Notre Dame.

    It isn't just the fact the games will be on ESPN but also ESPN will be advertising them all week long leading up to the games, thus getting BYU's name out there, then showing the highlights all week as well.

    You're wrong about the BYU/Notre Dame relationship as well especially considering BYU fans do not think the relationship is anything like what you are trying to claim they think it is.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Aug. 21, 2011 8:03 p.m.

    Utah is a unique case and the exception rather than the rule among Land Grant Colleges and Universities....You will find that a fair number of the same private entities that contribute to research at the University of Utah also contribute almost as equally to BYU. My point was not to put one university above the other but to point out that they arose through and still are greatly influenced by the LDS Church and were purposefully established with separate missions which is why the University of Utah is an exceptional case for a Land Grant institution. Does that bring a little more clarity to the picture when put in those terms. BYU never was intednded to be a Land Grant institution. Many people don't even understand the Land Grant System and how the federal and state lands in the 12 contiguous western States and Alaska with thier mineral resources are used to fund education through out the entire United states. Nor do they understand how corporate america is ripping of the Federal funding of these Land Grant Universities by being allowed to greatly underpay for the rights to revove and process these resources.

  • forreal people SLC, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 7:17 p.m.

    wheres stockton,

    fyi, Utah does more volume in privet research (private grants). It's not just state and federal research that pushes Utah to nearly 3x's the dollars in research per year, it's the fact that they do more private research too.

  • forreal people SLC, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 7:14 p.m.

    Another point to all those commenting about BYU needing to keep byutv and their espn deal. That is just not important. the whole reason for seeking those resources what to escape the bad exposure in the MWC, and to have way more national exposure and of course money. and alignment with the big twelve will forward those two goals more than BYU's current tv deal. that's obvious, especially with the tv money. And if you care about academic exposure, it would be a big step up to joint the big twelve as well. And basketball, other sports....

    It achieves all byu's exposure goals, gets them more money, and one other thing that independence wont get them (for FB), legitimacy.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Aug. 21, 2011 7:14 p.m.

    @Wookie...BYU isn't a Land Grant College...It's a private University that has one of the nation's best Business Schools and a very good Law School as well. Thier goals are uniquely different than the University of Utah's and are set and highly aimed to produce people who have the knowledge, skills and training to eventually go on to be heads of Large Corporations or Deans of "Ivy League like" Business schools or Federal Judges or Clerks to the Supreme Courts. We don't have a medical school because of choice not because of lacking any element. A medical college is not part of the mission of BYU. That mission was augmented to the University of Utah because it is a Land Grant Research Institution. BYU doesn't seek for the large federal grants because they want to remain separate from government interference. When both the University of Utah and later BYU were established by the church they were given specifically different missions...to efficiently meet the Churches goals...and to provide the State with great Academic institutions of Higher Learning. You might want to understand the difference...and how they both function.

  • forreal people SLC, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 7:06 p.m.

    Blue Saint,
    ND has nothing to do with BYU going or not going to the big 12, and ND will never go to the big 12.

    BYU has not even had one season as an independent, and because ND signed a 4-2 deal with BYU (which demonstrates their superiority over the Y), you think the two of you are connected at the hip? The reason for the four home-two away demand by ND is because they don't need BYU at all, and BYU knows and agrees, so they accept the deal.

    BYU would jump at the opportunity to join the big 12. Unless it is completely obvious that they would be joining a BIG 12 that was about to implode/break up, BYU is in head first. The should be, it's a big step up.

    ND on the other hand could have joined the big 12, or any conference in college football, at any time they darn well please too.

    I would keep your fingers crossed for the big 12 invite, like the big dogs at BYU are doing, and leave the misguided arrogance out of it.

  • DeLoss Dodds CHICAGO, IL
    Aug. 21, 2011 6:54 p.m.

    This article is quoting old news sources. We know that TCU has already been told that they will not be considered for the Big XII. Boise State is not being considered. The order is 1. Notre Dame and 2. BYU and if both accept a 3rd addition will either be Air Force or Houston.
    I think BYU will have to take the invitation, where else can they be in a BCS conference while keeping BYUtv? I think it is a great fit and I hope it happens.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Aug. 21, 2011 6:50 p.m.

    Wookie go for a swim down I-29...you haven't got a clue... Sunday play isn't a stopper. The federal money for grants that are tied to Title IX...the actual program that actually is the main reason why the little o's and thier sunday play even exist... is speedily disappearing. If you think the many land grant colleges that do not have successful self sustaining sports programs...who without Title IX cannot provide funding for thir little O's is going to waste an ever decreasing amount of federal grant money for research just to keep the little o"s alive...then you are totally behind the 8 ball as to what is actually happening. LGC"s to a huge extent depend almost entirely on Federal Grant money for research. You are kidding yourself if you think they don't. When they will eventually have to choose whether to have money for research or have money for little O sports... where do you think the money is going to go? This country is fast approaching losing 68-72,000,000 federal tax payers over the next 30 years...with no one to replace them. That's a 35% loss with no replacement

  • Louisiana Cougar Pineville, LA
    Aug. 21, 2011 6:19 p.m.

    The "real" here and now is that BYU's Basketball team is playing in a HUGE international basketball tournament this week in Greece.

    The Greek team has no starter SHORTER than 6'6" and Kostas Koufas, the Denver Nugget, is a reserve for them.

    The team is big, strong, well-coached, and tough. In addition, BYU will be playing the Italy national team later in the week as well.

    Where's the coverage for this event?

  • BlueSaint South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 5:50 p.m.

    If the BIG-12 can snatch up Notre Dame, and then offer BYU an invite? Then and only then will BYU jump to the BIG-12. BYU is doing just fine being independent.

  • forreal people SLC, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 4:23 p.m.

    As a ute fan i would like to see BYU to the big twelve.

    Sure part of me wants to see them get left out and embarrassed; but in all reality it would be great fun for this state's fans and would be awesome for the rivalry. I think it could take some bitterness out of the byu fans, and some bitterness out of the rivalry in general.

    I'm all for having big 12 logos on the field in Provo, and pac 12 logos on the field in SLC.


  • J.Newey Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 4:16 p.m.

    wer: you have to be kidding!

    If it was all about money, than the PAC would have invited BYU! Any TV exec will tell you that BYU has a lot more viewers and ratings than Utah, not only here in Utah but throughout the West, thus the ESPN deal!

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Aug. 21, 2011 2:33 p.m.

    Don't think for a second that under the current BCS system that BYU has a shot at a NC while being independent/non-BCS. It just won't happen. Under the current system a non-BCS school will NOT play for the NC, even if they went undefeated.

    I had forgot that the Big 12 is a great conference for basketball; not so much for football. BYUDude is right: Rose is probably licking his chops at the prospect of joining the Big 12. If the conference can offer everything BYU wants or needs in a offer to join, and if they can still maintain a good relationship with ESPN, then I think BYU ought to take it. They can always fall back to independence again if the Big 12 crumbles.

  • IndeMak South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 2:23 p.m.

    The Big 12 is a dying conference. Texas will go independent one day soon.

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 2:15 p.m.

    BYU administrators have the proper perspective.

    Is the Big 12 really where BYU wants to go?

    Do Big 12 presidents, ADs, and coaches really want BYU with a TV network more invasive than Texas' Longhorn network?

    The Big 12, as any major conference, doesn't care if BYU is independent or not. Can the Cougars get fans into their stadiums and in front of their TVs is the only thing that counts.

    Do you think the PAC 12 chose the U because of the school's reputation for research? No, they chose them for the same reason they chose Colorado: getting access to good size TV markets.

    In other words: it's all about $$$. Anybody who thinks anything else really matters hasn't been paying attention for the past few years.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    Aug. 21, 2011 12:09 p.m.

    Expansion explasion expansion...Please Dick, stop with these articles. BYU WILL NOT get an invite to any big conference. The Sunday no-play rule is, if you are from the Big-12/10, is a deal killer. Sunday play is huge for so many sports and tournaments in these conferences. These bigger and more prestigous schools are not going to change this. Moreover, most of these schools have wonderful medical schools and research. BYU has no medical school and a very paltry research program comparitively. It is just not a good match. BYU will do just fine by itself as an independent. The only challenge it has is to find games against good teams when interconference play is underway.

  • Judge Smailes Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 10:55 a.m.

    Some of you are drinking to much of the cougar blue koolaid! If BYU turns down the Big 12, who are you going to schedule? MWC and the PAC 12 do not want to play us (except Utah and already contracted games with boise st)and than the big 12 will say no to any more games! in addition, BYU would probably lose Dave Rose. I would rather be in a unstable BIG 12 than Independent anyday! WCC give me a break!!

    Aug. 21, 2011 10:52 a.m.

    I, for one, am very excited about Independence. Let's ride this status for a while longer. Think of it like this, too: we can still play for a national championship or BCS bowl if we remain independent--even if we're not part of a 16-team superconference.

    There are five BCS bowls, so there are 10 teams who play in them. Four superconferences will each get two AQ bids, with two at-large bids filling out the remaining two spots in the BCS bowls. Do you think Notre Dame is going to give up its independence in this situation? We shouldn't be so hasty about it, either.

  • R.Burgundy Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 10:24 a.m.

    If BYU gets a invite, they would be foolish not to take it! Even if the Big 12 implodes, the remaining schools could form a decent conference or BYU could go back to the independence thing. It would be much easier to get into a super conference by being a member of a BCS league than hoping to join as a independent! I do not think the Big 12 is going away, Texas and OU like the current path to a national championship in their own conference than competing in the SEC or PAC 12 and Texas is not going to give up their Longhorn network. Dont worry about offending the WCC as any member of that conference if invited, would do the same thing. I would rather offend them than the members of the BIG 12! We don't want the entire college football world thinking why would you turn down an invite from a BCS conference. If the Y wants exposure and less headaches scheduling, than the BIG 12 is the answer. Im sure Coach Rose would love the invite!

  • Chickenhunter Provo, Ut
    Aug. 21, 2011 10:16 a.m.

    I will be very sad to see us give up our home field lineup of cream puffs. I was really looking forward to years of mercilessly destroying "state" schools.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    Aug. 21, 2011 9:52 a.m.

    BYU football has practically everything it wants right now in regards to exposure. BYU will be on ESPN at least 10 times this season. 10 times! Joining a BCS conference would provide some stability but the exposure cannot get any better than it is right now. Also, the money might not get much better even with a BCS conference and the money is secondary for BYU. By joining a conference, BYU will give up a lot of freedom. I don't know if any conference is worth giving up what BYU already has.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Aug. 21, 2011 9:47 a.m.

    I bet the Pac-12 is looking much better to the Oklahoma schools than it did last year, before Texas got its TLN.

    Texas might be the downfall of its own conference. So, BYU would be dumb to get mixed up with the Big 12 as a 10-team conference.

    As a much bigger 12-16 team conference, maybe it's okay to join, but only if BYU can maintain its BYUtv rights like Texas has with its TLN. Exposure, remember?

    I believe its just a matter of when, not whether, superconferences happen. The Pac-10 started the superconference ball rolling last year. The SEC is thinking that way this year.

    Some BCS conference commissioners have even been talking with each other about 16-team superconferences already, as reported here and there in Big 12 country news articles. And some report that it regards total realignments to get 4 BCS superconferences.

    Notre Dame could still remain independent and do just fine in scheduling and BCS bowl opportunities. BYU might not.

  • Coug Pleasant Grove, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 9:45 a.m.

    Independence has placed BYU Football in the driver's seat. This is a desirable place to be. Here are some reasons to support BYU's present situation:
    1- We determine our opponents.
    2- We have our own TV network.
    3- We have a long term deal with ESPN.
    4- We have a wonderful, willing conference partner in the WCC.

    This is a big deal. They are more than willing to accommodate our unique religious needs. They are all like minded religious institutions. They are a stable conference, unlike the Big 12.

    In our quest for all things BCS, we ought to be careful what we ask for. The grass is not always greener on the other side. Once there, the lawn still has to be mowed. A Big 12 invitation may require the sacrifice of our present advantages. The instability of the Big 12 may leave us even further behind. Remember, sometimes "slower is faster". For now, we should grow where we have been planted. Tom Holmoe is one of the most capable minds in the AD business, and we are lucky to have him.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 9:38 a.m.

    Do well as an indy and good things will happen and good opportunities will present themselves. I personally hope the remain indy for at least 2 years. I think they could have a very good year this year and set themselves up as a top 10 or 15 team for the start of the 2012 season.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Aug. 21, 2011 9:36 a.m.

    If BYU accepted a Big 12 invite to replace Texas A&M, what are the ramifications?

    - BCS status that'd get "maintained" (included in expansion picks) if the Big 12 (10 teams) were to get eaten up in superconference expansions?

    Maybe, maybe not. So, it's risky joining a 10-team BCS conference that's on lifeline.

    - BCS status "forever" because the Big 12 would be strengthened by BYU's addition, saving the conference from collapse?

    Doubtful. BYU doesn't have that kind of cache yet. BYU's just the best replacement currently available if A&M bolts. It'd still be a 10-team conference with Missouri and maybe the Oklahomas still wanting away from Texas.

    - WCC loses out (back to status quo) after just one season with BYU?

    Probably, as BYU wouldn't accept a football-only invite to the Big 12. BYU already has a football-only situation that meets their exposure requirements.

    Iffy times.

    I'd prefer BYU remain independent until the Big 12 can prove stability.

  • Cougars --Best Little Brothers Irvine, CA
    Aug. 21, 2011 9:05 a.m.

    ...BYU athletic director Tom Holmoe has made it very clear the past week: He hasn't had any talks with the Big 12 about potential membership in the BCS conference if Texas A&M bolts for the SEC...

    Hmmmm....it really is not his call regarding any conversation, is it? If Big-12 does not want BYU, there will be no talk.

    Ofcourse, he cannot officially start any rumors to make BYU fans believing BYU is worthy of an invite, can he? Someone else in "BYU camp" will need to do that.

  • BYU DUDE Provo, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 8:47 a.m.

    Can someone tell Texas A&M to leave already,

    Dave Rose would love to Coach in the BIG 12. The BIG12= the PAC12 in Football and Basketball.

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 21, 2011 8:27 a.m.

    Just as long as I can see the games...

    Isn't it funny that BYU is getting TONS of exposure and they haven't even played a game yet. Just think how much they will get if they start the season with a few wins.

    It is also interesting that top sports writers are the ones doing the lobbying for BYU.

    However it is strange that they are not following the ute trolls superior knowledge that BYU will never be invited to any BCS conference. I wonder what TOP sport writers know that ute trolls do not know?

    It might be a lack of pure hatred that allows them to see straight, or be objective, or be, at the least open to who's on top of their list.


  • Chewbacca Magna, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 8:25 a.m.

    Dick- "BYU's football focus should stay on the here and now." That's harsh Dick. I thought you were a BYU homer and then you come and lay hurt like that on these poor cougar fans. Let them live in the 84. Don't deny them this one comfort!

  • JonnyDanger HOUSTON, TX
    Aug. 21, 2011 8:21 a.m.

    It was great to get a well-researched piece on this so it isn't just fans speculating...

    To the BYU fans: It is still just media speculation. Right now we are independent and that is the gig we are pursuing full steam ahead.

    To (some of) the Utah fans: This isn't just BYU wishful thinking. MULTIPLE media outlets with no BYU bias or connection think that BYU would be the prize acquisition if A&M jumps ship. The ESPN Big12 blogger said the other day on his chat session that he thought BYU would be the Big12's first target in that case, but he didn't think the Big12 could get the Cougars because they have such a great set-up already.

    My 2 cents: In today's CFB landscape BYU is in a great place. Enough BCS exposure, freedom, TV exposure galore. The only reason to jump ship to a BCS conference would be in case of superconferences, which I think could pose problems for an independent. Of course most speculate that superconferences would come at the expense of the Big12, making that jump perilous to say the least...

  • Cougar_Independence OMAHA, NE
    Aug. 21, 2011 6:24 a.m.

    Big 12 or no Big 12, BYU will still be on ESPN more than Utah.

    BCS conference salivating to get an independent with an awesome, exclusive TV deal = Notre Dame of the West?

    Enjoy KJZZ utes!

    Go Cougars!

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Aug. 21, 2011 6:15 a.m.

    Of all the possible scenario's that I've heard or have thought about in my own mind... this new angle of Boise State joining BYU and TCU as a possible expansion to 12 to me is logically the best case scenario if A&M does misguidedly skip off to the SEC. And even as a worse case should Oklahoma along with Oklahoma State and possibly Missouri also skip...then either adding Air Force, Louisville or Cinncinati would not be out of the realm of good replacements. I think 12 is a good Number. 10 seems to be the number that they want to hopefully maintain. Whether or not they can do that is very questionable in order to minimize the ripple effect...which could easily happen. BYU as a loner would be very risky and BYU should not take the risk. BYU with Boise State and TCU would be a solid combination if Oklahoma and Oklahoma State also leave. Missouri is an odd duck that I don't see the SEC going for. A&M... in my own opinion is the one team that is running the of becoming a goat. They have no chance of really doing Great in SEC competition.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Aug. 21, 2011 5:04 a.m.

    Isn't the Big 12 network on Fox? So why would ESPN be happy about BYU joining the Big 12 and then losing the "Notre Dame of the West" brand?

    That would explain why Dick used Jim Weber from Lostletterman, The College Sports Fan Site and Former Player Database, as a source and not ESPN.

    BYU is a great fit for the BIG 12, but the question is:
    Is the imploding Big 12 a great fit for Oklahoma and Missouri?

  • cougblood FARMINGTON, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 2:05 a.m.

    I dont know what BYU should do if an offer comes from the big 12. It seems crazy to say no to a BCS conference that has Texas. OU, OSU In it but the instability is unnerving. I am sure that BYU would not want to have to move their programs again if something did happen to the big 12.
    The comment about exposure is awesome. It will be great to get the BYU brand out there even more. Jimmer did a great job priming the pump for fall football this year.

    Go Cougars!!

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 21, 2011 12:09 a.m.

    As soon as the Texas A&M to SEC deal is finalized, BYU will very likely be invited to the Big 12. Whether BYU accepts the invitation or not will depend on the long-term stability of the Big 12 and BYU maintaining the television rights they already have with ESPN.