Doug Robinson: Utah turns out to be the right fit for Jake Murphy

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    Aug. 23, 2011 4:27 p.m.

    I'm pretty sure there are more than 2 people in Highland, UT. However, I don't think anyone really cares about who is burning you anyways (regardless of which collegiate organization they are rooting for), so its just fine with us if you want to save yourself some time finding "validation" that there is not a single BYU fan on the planet who disagrees with you.

    As far as Jake Murphy goes, I think he will be a great fit in Norm Chow's pro-style offense, despite the fact that he didn't want to compete for a spot with one of BYU's many 5-star recruits at tight end. I know that i'm glad he's going to be playing for the team i root for. He sound like a solid guy with great potential that will be utilized for four more successful years. Go Utes!

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    Aug. 23, 2011 3:53 p.m.

    I always loved Dale...Jake, not so much!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 23, 2011 1:22 p.m.

    And Uah fans just an FYI and some validation on what I told you about supposed BYU fan and Highland resident "officer coolguy" who is really a utah troll that changes his screen name to make multiple posts. I told you one of his screen names was "articuno BYU" and here is a post he made under that screen name this morning in the article in the BYU section about the Defensive Line Depth.

    "ArticunoBYU | 9:55 a.m. Aug. 23, 2011
    Highland, UT
    Funny thing is, all 6 of those guys on the D-line will go to the NFL. Which will be 6 more D-lineman than the utsies have in the NFL! lol!"

    Notice how he forgot to change his place of residence from Highland, to Bountiful, which is normally where "articuno" claims to post from. Now I'm sure most of you don't care because it fits your agenda better to pretend that both "officer coolguy" and "articuno BYU" are BYU fans but for those of you that are rational actual fans of the University of Utah here is some validation of what I have told you about him and his multiple screen names.

  • Classless Ute Fan Magna, UT
    Aug. 23, 2011 5:50 a.m.


    You say that there is a conspiracy and that Jake was in contact with Utah coaches before he went to BYU and didn't have a scholarship. That is the only reason that Utah would have a scholarship right?

    Actually, Utah had another player last year named Dexter Ransom that was originally going to go to Arizona, I think. When they didn't have a scholarship, he came to Utah. Is there a conspiracy because he came to Utah as well? Some teams have additional scholarships not awarded.

    As I remember last year, I thought Jake came to Utah because they joined the PAC 12. Although the reporting wasn't specific why he came to Utah after his mission when he originally was supposed to go to byu.

    After Bronco didn't have a spot for him, and the Utah practices were open to the public last year, it probably wasn't hard for Jake to come to Utah and request to work out with the team and earned a spot on the team.

    As far as the competition goes, Jake isn't starting on the team. He's listed 2nd string.

  • Randy01 Lees Summit, MO
    Aug. 22, 2011 10:41 p.m.

    We should all read Matthew 7:3-5

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 10:26 p.m.


    "I'm getting tired of seeing you get made fun of."

    Don't worry about me because it doesn't bother me one bit. I simply consider the sources and frankly those posting are not credible at all. Go read the Josh Sharp articles and you will find many of these same posters that are calling me out posting about how BYU recruited him on his mission and other similar stuff. "officer coolguy" for instance is also known on these boards as "duckhunterr" "duckhunter hunter", you can see his obsession with me, "articuno byu" and several more. You can also see some of the dregs of utah fandom, like tomahawk red, latching onto it as if it is credible.

    If you go back and read my posts I haven't written anything hateful. I certainly hypothesized on some things based on the info supplied by the article but so what? If someone has a good counter point then go ahead and make it. It is an interesting subject, especially after what occured on the Josh Sharp story.

    It is the utah "fans" on here behaving hypocritically that should be embarrassed. I may go back and dig up their posts. That would be fun.

    Aug. 22, 2011 8:45 p.m.

    You clearly don't understand how media interviews work at football practices, so let me explain. When practice is over, an assistant notifies the coach of who has been asked to be seen by the media. They have a short amount of time to ask a few questions so the players can go shower, eat and get on with the rest of their day. Thus, they perform all the interviews basically simultaneously. If it involves more than one individual, they are all interviewed together. There is no 60 Minutes interview with Mike Wallace in a private, dark room. You're reading way too much into this and need to just quit while you're ahead because I'm getting tired of seeing you get made fun of. It's not right.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 5:59 p.m.

    Ha ha ha!

    Duckhunter got flambee'd by one of his own.

    That's what happens when you keep spewing your hate. You're gonna get called out by one of your own sooner or later.

    Ha ha ha.

  • Randy01 Lees Summit, MO
    Aug. 22, 2011 5:19 p.m.

    @duck hunter: this is just a pre-season personal interest story, not a conspiracy theory ot a chance to throw stones

  • regis Murray, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 4:49 p.m.

    I'm just glad to have this guy playing for the Utes. Hope he has a great career, and that it turns out to be a win-win for Jake and the Utes.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 4:24 p.m.

    Ahh...I see this really bothers some of you. It is funny none of you aknowledge the inconsistencies in the time line. I also find it interesting that so many want to "trust the Murphies" when they really haven't said anything to trust or distrust. They have purposely "deflected" the questions.

    Once again it is obvious he wanted to go to utah instead of BYU, I'm not sure how many times I have to post that before you agenda driven utah "fans" aknowledge I said it. But there is more to this story than is being reported, the writer aknowledged just that, so it is open to discussion. A couple of you have made good counter points but most of you have simply lamely tried to make it about me rather than discussing it. If you can give me good counter points I'll aknowledge them but it doesn't appear that most of you can so your agenda is to simply attack my opnions.

    I also wonder why during the interview there was a coach on hand controlling the entire thing and making sure Murphy didn't say the wrong thing?

  • Randy01 Lees Summit, MO
    Aug. 22, 2011 4:22 p.m.

    @represent blue: amen!

  • carabaoU Moab, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 3:23 p.m.

    Duckhunter | 10:42 a.m. Aug. 22, 2011
    Highland, UT

    "It says right in the article his dad "picked him up from his mission and drove directly to utah's practice"."

    Duckhunter needs to learn how quotes are used. Here is the direct quote copied from the actual article:

    "Upon returning from his mission, Jake, accompanied by his father, drove straight to a Ute practice session to observe, and that was that."

    I don't see anywhere in the article that he was picked up "from his mission and drove directly to utah's practice" (Duckhunter quote).

    The phrase "Upon returning from his mission..." does not indicate how many days or weeks lapsed between the time Jake returned home and the day they visited Ute practice.

    I would suspect if Utah had no scholarships either, they would have driven to Utah State or Southern Utah or Dixie to determine scholarship availability, or placed a phone call beforehand to find out.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 2:38 p.m.

    It is hilarious that fans on both sides of rivalry are unwilling to take Dale and Jake at their word when they say that Jake chose to play for the Utes when he came home and found out his scholarship would not be available because of miscommunication. Some BYU fans want to claim it was because Jake didn't want to compete with all the other TE's on the Cougars roster, and some Utah fans want to claim it is because of their supposed Pac-12 superiority. Personally, I will just take the Murphys at their word, and wish Jake the best of luck with his decision.

  • Ibleedcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 2:14 p.m.

    "Duckhunter cleary has a vendetta."

    He's on record as saying he didn't read let alone post on Utah articles until a year or so ago, but because of hedgehog and chris b, he changed his mind, became just like them and has haunted us ever since.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 12:15 p.m.

    Never understood how mediocrity was a good fit for anyone, but good luck to him.

  • SouthernUtahUte Hurricane, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 12:06 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter

    I've been reading your posts for quite a while now, and seriously dude, you make the biggest deal out of the simplest of things. So what Murphy transferred to Utah? It's not a big deal. Sure BYU has some great tight-ends coming down the pipeline, but I don't think he transferred because "there was simply too much talent". He simply preferred Utah, it's THAT simple. Get over it. You make yourself idiotic when you argue over stupid things like this. Act a little older than 12, most other BYU fans do.

    Good to see Utah get a talented player.

    GO UTES!!

  • Officer Coolguy Highland, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 11:50 a.m.


    agreed. Duckhunter cleary has a vendetta. Not sure if some U of U fan ran over his cat or what, but he seems bent on causing trouble. Kind of a sad existance to be honest.

    To the des news, please consider an "ignore user" button, or perhaps banning extremists such as our dear friend duck hunter.

    Finally, to duck hunter, please stick to the BYU boards. you are not setting a good example for BYU.

    Above all, go cougars!

  • Randy01 Lees Summit, MO
    Aug. 22, 2011 11:25 a.m.

    @DuckHunter: Who hurt you so much that you are on a mission to expose dishonesty and hypocrisy of Utah "fans"? You have also attacked the Murphy family.

    Which of our doctrines justifies your conduct on these boards? Why the eye for an eye conduct? I, as well as others have disavowed some of the more obnoxious Utah posters. We will continue to speak out, but I ask you to reconsider your tone, approach, and thinking when you post.

    Is that really that difficult, and can you for one moment consider how many good members of the Church are not part of the BYU experience and how your posts might affect them?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 10:42 a.m.

    @naval vet

    You are misrepresenting what I said. I realize utah has a hard time filling all of their scholarships, it happens every year. They never get enough recruits to fill them up. So utah having a sdcholarship doesn't surprise me.

    But it is obvious there was contact when Murhpy was on his mission. It says right in the article his dad "picked him up from his mission and drove directly to utah's practice". Unless they had already made contact that would not have occured.

    I frankly don't care about murphy as a player regardless of how he turns out. I do care about the dishonesty nad hypocrisy of you and other so called utah "fans" on the issue of missionary transfers. Thank you for once again displaying it for all to see. As always my mission to expose utah "fans" like you is successful, not to mention extremely easy.


  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 22, 2011 10:22 a.m.


    For some reason, the DesNews felt it necessary to censor my last post responding to your conspiratorial opinion that it seemed somehow awfully convenient that Utah happened to have an open scholarship available for Murphy when he got home from his mission. Perhaps they want readers to believe as you.

    Nevertheless, I'll try again.

    In 2010, Utah had 25 scholarships to dole out. However, they only received 23 verbals. This left 2 open scholarships. Of the 23 verbals Utah received, 3 did not qualify. This left 3 MORE open scholarships; now a total of 5.

    When Riley was courted to renege on his return to Utah State, all this was reported in the media while Riley was on his mission. When the Murphy story broke, he was already home.

    So it doesn't look like there was anything convenient about Utah happening to have a spot for him on our roster, and neither do you have any substance other than sour grapes for Murphy opting to play in the Pac-12 rather than in the WAC.

    It's not unheard of for LDS returned missionaries to still prefer the U. So get over it.

  • Officer Coolguy Highland, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 10:11 a.m.


    Personally, I wish more Ute fans were respectful. But there is a large majority of them who are good fans, its just a few who ruin it for the majority. Likewise with Duckhunter. He embarrasses me to be a BYU fan, as well as a resident of Highland. For any evidence you may need, I refer you to his most recent post where he accuses me of being "Duckhunter Hunter", which is absurd. I have no idea who that is.

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 10:07 a.m.

    I hope Jake has a great career at Utah. From the article, it seems he has really grown during the last couple of years. Have to compliment BYU for not getting all upset over this recruitment. It is almost an exact duplicate of the basketball player that switched from Utah to BYU after his mission. (True, Jake never attended BYU, like the basketball player did.) So, good luck Jake, and kudos for the coaching staff at the Y not making a big deal out of this.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 10:02 a.m.

    @officer coolguy

    First of all we know you are really "duckhunter hunter" as well as numerous other screen names and a utah fan. Your fake appeals for BYU fans to leave utah articles are a joke as you are a very large troll on BYU articles. What you do is simply another indictment of utah "fan" hypocrisy.

  • Pac12Utes Up on the Hill, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 9:52 a.m.

    thanks officer coolguy, its nice to have some cougar fans who can just accept things for what they are and show sportsmanship. you are a breath of fresh air around here compared to the usual crowd of trolls (duckhunter and his other screennames; Max-was-right, sammyg etc.)

  • Officer Coolguy Highland, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 9:37 a.m.

    From a lifelong, die-hard cougar fan, I wish Jake nothing but the best. And to my fellow Cougar fans, lets get off of these articles. There is no sense in embarassing yourselves. just head back to the byu articles.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 9:29 a.m.


    All good points. I feel the same way about Murphy based on how many TE's BYU has currently. Good luck to him but BYU won't miss him. But of course on these boards it is all about the rivalry and for many Utah fans it is all about making BYU out to be full of dishonesty and lacking in integrity. I do not see the same attempts being made about Utah from BYU fans.

    BYU fans criticisms are mostly about Utah fans not about Utah as an institution. I personally have no issues with Utah as an institution, in fact I greatly respect many of the people at Utah and have alot of dealings with them.

    It is actually quite telling that until this article came out BYU fans really had next to nothing to say about Murphy's decision to change schools whereas when Sharp made his decision BYU, and its officials, were vilified on these boards as being dishonest, underhanded, etc. It continues to this day as I have seen comments from Utah fans on these boards in the last week claiming BYU recruits other schools scholarship athletes while they are on missions despite any evidence of it.

    Aug. 22, 2011 8:54 a.m.

    There are hypocrites everywhere. Get used to it. If Runnin Utes basketball gave me something to be excited about in the last 5 years, I might be a little more concerned about the Sharp situation, but honestly I've never heard of him and when all is said and done I'll be surprised if he really makes much noise on the court. I guess Boylen really like him, but you can see the kinds of teams he put together. If he does turn out good, more power to him, but it's gonna take a lot more than one RM to fix the issues at the Huntsman Center.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 7:52 a.m.


    I never said utah violated any recruiting rules. I don't believe they did. Having contact with a missionary is not a violation of any rules. My guess would be the family contacted utah 1st, before he returned from his mission, and were informed there was a scholarship. I have no problem with that. Obviously he wanted to go to utah instead of BYU, he say's he did and I believe him.

    My issues with this are two.

    One is the time line does not match the claims of what occured. Ultimately it doesn't matter but obviously the family wishes to try to make it sound as if he went to utah because of a scholarship situation but that explanation does not account for all of the particulars which I have gone over already.

    The 2nd is the hypocrisy of many utah fans. Just go back a few months to the Josh Sharp transfer and read the accusations that BYU recruits other schools missionaries, that Sharp has no integrity, blah, blah, blah.

    These situations are incredibly similar yet utah fans are claiming one was shady and other was nothing but above board. The difference being the direction of the transfer.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 7:51 a.m.

    I said nothing about "better" tight ends. There was nothing thinly, thickly or in any other way veiled in my statement. If Murphy thought he was better than any of the BYU tight ends, and he wanted to play tight end for BYU, he could have gone there and proven it. I don't know how good he was / is. I don't even know if he will be a tight end at Utah.
    You seem to have a bit of an inferiority complex...looking for controversy or conflict where there is none. Jake Murphy came home from his mission a few months sooner than BYU expected. He went to BYU FIRST. BYU did not have an immediate scholarship available for him and wanted him to grayshirt. He chose not to and instead went to Utah so see what was available. This is all in the article. KW was smart enough to sign him on the spot. Utah got a good player, BYU missed out on him not because they wanted to but because they did not have a scholarship to give him until the next year. It is all in the article.
    Move on.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 6:49 a.m.


    You are absolutely correct. The humble athletes do play for the U of U.

    Living under BYU's shadow for 40 years, being the little brother and being on the verge of becoming the next Washington State of the Pac, will indeed have a humbling effect on ones psyche.

    Carry on. Some day your program might have ESPN wanting to televise your games also.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 12:19 a.m.

    BlueSaint | 2:03 p.m. Aug. 21, 2011
    South Jordan, UT
    Who is Jake Murphy?


    Step 1) Read the article

    Step 2) Post on the message board

    In that order. Not backwards.

  • Osgrath Provo, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 11:41 p.m.

    I am thoroughly disgusted. I am disgusted with myself because I read this entire thread and have now lost ten minutes of my life that I can never get back. This discussion here has been amazingly useless.

    The story tells us that a young man returned from a couple of years in Australia, discovered that a hoped-for scholarship would not be available in time for the season, so he went elsewhere and found an immediate scholarship. And from this some people see a dark conspiracy and other people crow about the superiority of their program. I guess what bugs me the most here is the lack of critical thinking. Just because one person babbles incoherencies, now we can say that all fans of that person's favorite team are exactly like he is? Do we have to believe that all Cougar fans are self-fighteous, delusional hypocrites and all Ute fans are drunken, hedonistic heathens.

    These discussions (to say nothing of those at the other SL paper, which are far worse) would be a lot more meaningful if people were to post nothing that they would not say to the other individual in person, live.

    Aug. 21, 2011 10:05 p.m.

    Yes, you are entitled to your own opinion. However, it's not an "if-then" scenario: "IF Utah had a scholarship available for him when he inquired, THEN they must have violated recruiting rules" I'm also entitled to an opinion on a more likely scenario that Bronco shakes a scholarship at anyone who catches a TD and then tells them to walk on and earn it. Utah has a has a history of signing recruits with more diverse backgrounds and things come up every year that requires some of these guys to transfer somewhere closer to home, freeing up scholarships. I don't expect you to understand this, just doing my part in throwing it out there. As someone who knows Jake, I can tell you he's not afraid of or deterred by competition.

    Urban Meyer coached the Utes for the 2003 and 2004 seasons.

    Aug. 21, 2011 9:23 p.m.


    You say I actually don't care that he transfered, yet you have posted on this article 8 different times. Considering all of the times you have accused others of lying, don't you think you should listen to your own posts?

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Aug. 21, 2011 9:13 p.m.


    Big red was referring to BYU fans' feelings toward Langi, not Murphy.

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 9:12 p.m.

    Maybe posters (Ducky) should spend less time wondering about why kids leave programs and whether their stories make sense. Don't really care. When kids transfer from USC to BYU-don't care why, when kids transfer from BYU to Utah-don't care why, when Bronco takes a kid's scholarship away- don't care why, when kid transfers from Utah to Sacramento Stae- don't care why. Only Ducky knows and only he cares.

    For me, it's all settled on the field and not on a board with a know it all.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Aug. 21, 2011 8:58 p.m.

    Is it just me thinking seems like the cougar fans are upset, fed up about being dissed so much lately? There is certainly reasons for why it happens so often. Now, this Duckhunter fellow is coming up with 1950s Roswell, NM conspiracies? Maybe he can tell us who killed JFK as well and try to convince us the earth is still flat? The spin never stops for some folks I guess? Go play some great ball Jake Murphy for Utah's premier learning institution and flagship for big time collegiate athletics.......The PAC-12 U of U! Go Utes!

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Aug. 21, 2011 8:35 p.m.

    Ya gotta love Dale Murphy! Congrats to his son for going to the U. That is where humble athletes play ball in the state of Utah! Go Utes!

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 8:02 p.m.

    Re byu fans:

    There is no conspiracy going on here and nothing shady or against the rules. When Murphy got off his mission byu didn't have a scholarship for him right away, but Utah did. Get over it, not every Mormon's dream is to play at byu, many just want to go the the place that will give them the best opportunity to succeed.

    I'll take Dale Murphy at his word, he has done enough with his life to deserve the benefit of the doubt.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 7:59 p.m.


    You continue to post this lie.

    "So Ducky's still breaking his promise by posting here, eh?"

    I have told you several times that when, and if, the pac10 network is actually available I will honor my BET, not a promise, a BET, with some of the Utah fans on here. You have nothing to do with other than you seek to perpetuate a lie and continue to show your lack of honesty.

    As far as this story is concerned your post was ridiculous. I believe murphy made the deicsion to transfer to utah while on his mission, the story pretty much confirms it. Good for him, I don't care. Certainly the reasons why are not known but I think it is because he saw less competition and an easier path to playing time at utah who has never had a good tight end in their history so there was no competition for him.

    But the story itself has so many contradictions in time and motive that it is almost laugh out loud ridiculous. Since the dnews thinks t is new worthy then it is open to comment by all of us. Come up with some facts if you can.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 7:39 p.m.

    So Ducky's still breaking his promise by posting here, eh? Darkly spouting conspiracy allegations, he's offered two distinct theories to deny the possibility that BYU simply screwed up:

    A) Utah allegedly meddled while Murphy was on mission, thus depriving BYU of a kid they really wanted.
    B) BYU had such an abundance of tight end talent that they didn't want to keep their promise to offer Murphy a scholarship upon return, and he allegedly didn't want to compete with such talent without one.

    Sorry Ducky, you've got your own "huge, massive, gigantic contradictions" there.

    A) coug fans can hardly cry about mission meddling while Riley Nelson is on the team. Moreover, Bronco said he'd never lose recruits that wanted to go to BYU, which Murphy clearly did.
    B) the Y's tight ends dropped nearly every pass thrown to them last year. Yet those are the guys that the Y really wanted to keep on scholarship--and that Murphy was afraid to compete with?

    LOL, indeed.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 7:39 p.m.

    Who really cares?

    Those who want to play at BYU, given the opportunity, will find a way and make it happen.

    Those who don't, won't. He's not a BYU guy.

    That's OK.

    Good luck Jake.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 7:36 p.m.


    Next time the Murphy's make a move, they will check with you before going forward.

    Aug. 21, 2011 7:34 p.m.

    To all:
    I am Jake's aunt and sorry if I misread the article. I just know more facts that weren't in the article. I'll leave it at that.
    Bottom line: When he left in October (instead of December) for his LDS Mission to Australia, he was planning on coming back to BYU. BYU knew he left early on the mission, and they knew when he would be home. His scholarship was not available, so he looked at other options. The U. There ya go.
    @CaliCoug..I guess you don't think that Tom Holmoe himself never gets involved when his athletes leave on missions, and even if they are admitted in to the University! You underestimate. My husband was on the football team years ago and was admitted to the University with HELP from the football office and Lavell himself. They have POWER people.
    Jake is a great young man, served an honorable LDS mission, a great athlete and will have success at the U.
    If you really knew the Murphy's you would know that is why they deflected the whole question in the first place. Always people of humility, integrity, and class.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 7:30 p.m.


    Actually none of us cares if Murphy transferred, BYU has more TE's than they know what to do with. If he couldn't handle the competition then he probably should be at utah. But we do care about the accounts be given and the massive contradictions in the story. It would seem that perhaps utah "fans" like yourself only care about these things when it is a player leaving utah and then spend months throwing out accusations. When it happes the ther direction it is just "bitter BYU fans".

    LOL! at the hypocrisy.

  • Rueben L Folsom, CA
    Aug. 21, 2011 7:27 p.m.

    I saw a practice and he looked very athletic for his size. He made a sweet one handed grab in the end zone that looked like it was overthrown for sure. If he works on his blocking, and blocking is a mentality as much as it is a talent, he has a chance to be a very good tight end/h-back. He will receive excellent coaching at Utah, and now has a chance to work with a coordinator who has made a career out of incorporating the tight end into the passing game. Good choice.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 7:26 p.m.


    No that is not it. I actually don't care that he transfered, I simply don't believe the accounts being given. Perhaps you weren't around a few months ago when Josh Sharp announced his transfer to BYU and the utah "fans" on here immediately saying BYU had called him while he was on his mission, tampered with a utah commit, how the kid had no morals and had stabbed utah in the back, that they were liars about what occured, etc.

    Well at that time I brought the Murphy situation up and asked utah "fans" if the same things applied in the reverese. Of course none of them would aknowledge it and instead continued on claiming BYU recruits other schools LDS players while they are on their missions.

    So I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you are unaware of all of this. If not you would be a hypocrite along the level of hedgehog, howard s and chris b, which I don't believe you are.

    As far as this situation, well no one has given any sort of explanation for the massive contradictions in the account.

  • bonafidehustla ALPINE, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 7:06 p.m.

    most of you are bitter byu fans that are seemingly shocked and appalled that someone would choose to not attend your precious university, no matter the reason. it's embarassing to read.

  • Randy01 Lees Summit, MO
    Aug. 21, 2011 7:05 p.m.

    @Duckhunter: There is no need to question the veracity of Jake or the Murphy family. This a prime example of why non-BYU Latter-day Saint football fans find BYU fans arrogant. You assume that if Jake was good enough he would play at BYU and that anything else requires an explanation or is somehow suspect. It is not a betrayal to BYU that he choose to play at Utah.

    BYU is and should not be the destination of choice for all D1 level LDS Athletes. If they are good enough to make a team they are welcome anywhere.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 6:52 p.m.


    So let's review the article.

    "Jake was originally supposed to leave for his mission in December 2008, but got his departure moved to October. After serving in Australia nearly two years, he was released in August 2010 to enable him to enroll in time for fall semester.Meanwhile, BYU still believed Jake was returning in December"

    So how come the BYU coaches weren't informed of the early release?

    "Because the Utes had not recruited Jake, they were able to offer him a scholarship in the fall. Upon returning from his mission, Jake, accompanied by his father, drove straight to a Ute practice session to observe, and that was that."

    So how were the utes able to offer him a scholarship if they didn't previously know? BYU claims they didn't know. Also if his father "drove him directly to a utah practice" when he got home it once again means much of this was known, and planned, in advance. Now it doesn't mean the utah coaches contacted him 1st, but how is that any different than the Josh Sharp transfer?

    You can say I'm going "conspiratorial" but there are huge, massive, gigantic contradictions in the Murphies account.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 6:33 p.m.

    So how does this part of the article jibe with what gabygal is claiming?

    "Because the Utes had not recruited Jake, they were able to offer him a scholarship in the fall. Upon returning from his mission, Jake, accompanied by his father, drove straight to a Ute practice session to observe, and that was that."

    So it sounds as if it was pre arranged. His father took him directly to a utah practice when he returned from his mission in August, right during fall camp, where he apparently had a scholarship already awaiting him which tells me there was contact on his mission. Now that doesn't mean the utah staff initiated it, but so what? That is no different at all than what occured with the Sharp kids transfer to BYU.

    As I've said several times now, there are alot of contradictions in the Murphies account of this, as well as what is being reported. Big, glaring, huge, contradictions.

  • vesparider Pocatello, ID
    Aug. 21, 2011 6:24 p.m.

    From what I heard his transfer had a lot to do with the fact that his brother walked on at Utah and not BYU. I don't know why he didn't walk on at BYU, but from what I heard this was one of the reasons he ended up at the U was to be able to be on the same team as his brother.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 6:22 p.m.


    Obviously you didn't read the article. There are several major contradictions there and in gabygal's post as well. I am under no illusions that we will ever get the truth out of these people so all that is left is conjecture and for us to make up our own minds about it. But if you just aknowledge the contradictions in their claims it is more than enough to cast doubt on those claims.

    Regardless I don't really care about him leaving and going to utah. BYU has more TE's than they know what to do with, which by the way just lends more credence to the 'looking for an easier path to playing time' "conpsiracy" as you put it.

    If he turns out to be a good TE and utah then good for him and good for them. The fact remains the competition at that position, and the history of success at that position, is much greater at BYU and he doesn't appear to have wanted to compete with that.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 6:10 p.m.


    That is not what the article stated. Why did he not inform the coaches he was coming home in August then? You see there are far too many things that don't add up with what is being presented. Not to mention he leaves and goes to a school that has never had a TE worth having wereas BYU has about 10 that were highly recruited out of high school.

    This whole claim that "utah was a better fit" only makes sense if you aknowledge the competition there was far inferior and a "better fit" means less competition. Remember the Murphies are claiming he 1st tried to go back to BYU which once again doesn't jibe with the whole "utah was a better fit" claim. If "utah was abetter fit" wouldn't he have just gone straight there and not even bothered with BYU? I believe that was his intention all along and it is because he probably saw a better opportunity to play and play sooner.

    I have no problem with it so long as they just come clean about it. But they won't say anything and that tells me all I need to know.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Aug. 21, 2011 5:25 p.m.

    "Byu is an enigma and Bronco is not the sharpest tack in the mix......Jake wanted a commitment and Bronco couldn't give him one because that is the way it is at BYU"

    TRUTH: Actually, sharpie, BYU IS all about commitment.

  • Cali Coug Visalia, CA
    Aug. 21, 2011 5:23 p.m.


    You posted - Like the article said, The BYU football office arranged to have Jake leave on his mission earlier in October and they knew when he was coming home.

    The article did not state, imply or even hint that this is what took place. Calling Duckhunter out to recheck the facts is a little dishonest or a careless mistake.

    Either way, I know the BYU Football Office does not get involved in changing someones mission call. This is done by the missionary. To assume the Football Office is involved is way off base.

  • factcheck Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 4:55 p.m.

    hedgehog | 10:52 a.m. Aug. 8, 2011
    Ann Arbor, MI
    Jack Murphy.

    Nuff said.

    This is what hedgehog posted on the article about Troy Hinds. Once again proving he is just a BYU hater. He doesn't even know who Jake Murphy is.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Aug. 21, 2011 4:50 p.m.

    Duckhunter, you claim "truth" in your most recent post, but then go all conspiritorial with claims of improper conduct by the Ute coaches and the player himself. You certainly have a right to share an opinion, even if it's bostered by shaky circumstatial clues, but please, claim "truth" when you have some evidence or proof. Otherwise you leave your credibility in question with future claims of "truth" you wish to share with us. I find some of your insight intriguing, as I know you've worked with some key folks there.

    But comments like:
    "I'm not all that convinced the utes didn't contact him on his mission either." and "the scenario that the Murphy's claim is more than suspect by the way...If he was really getting an early release from his mission so that he could be back in time to play that season"

    Doen't give me much confidence in your future posts, unless you can back it up.

    On the other hand, I find TJ's comments generally fairly balanced and didn't find his comment all that self-righteous.

    Bottom line: Jake chose to play at Utah.

    Go Utes!

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 4:42 p.m.

    How can it be considered an oversight.......I mean BYU didn't even recruit Bryan Kehl, he had to beg to play for the Y.....even after his brother had started four stright years.....Byu is an enigma and Bronco is not the sharpest tack in the mix......Jake wanted a commititment and Bronco couldn't give him one because that is the way it is at BYU....disorganized confusion when it comes to recruiting talent...too much praying not enough recruting....

    Aug. 21, 2011 4:22 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter

    You are so wrong about it all and if you would like to check your facts I would be happy to talk to you. Like the article said, The BYU football office arranged to have Jake leave on his mission earlier in October and they knew when he was coming home. They messed up. Plain and simple. If you knew Jake, you would know that he is a competitor at the highest level and he would never leave BYU because of "competition". That would have motivated him to stay there even more. The Utah football program was a better fit for him. He was a Wide Receiver in High School, and they have switched him to Tight end. If he had stayed at BYU, they would have switched him, too.
    Maybe parents do have the financial means to pay for their children to attend college, but isn't it important for children to learn to earn things on their own? It's called achievement, and we all want it for our kids, no matter who you are and how much money you have in the bank!

  • vesparider Pocatello, ID
    Aug. 21, 2011 4:05 p.m.

    Manase Tonga ended up playing at BYU after his mission because his scholorship was not available after his mission due to the coaching change bringing in Urban Meyer. Sounds like very similar situations. Things worked out well for BYU and Manase and I'm sure things will work out well for Jake and the Utes.

    Go Cougs! Less than two weeks away until gameday.

  • vesparider Pocatello, ID
    Aug. 21, 2011 3:54 p.m.

    There was a player that BYU offered a scholorship to back in '05 named Manase Tonga. Manase signed with Utah right out of highschool and left immediately on his mission. Urban Meyer came in as head coach while he was out serving and subsequently Manase's scholorship was not available when he came home. He went down and visited with Bronco and Bronco immediately offered a scholorship. Things worked out well for BYU and Manase and I hope things work out well enough for Jake and U of U. Similar circumstances.

  • AZJazzFan Gold Canyon, az
    Aug. 21, 2011 3:39 p.m.

    @GoRed: BYU fans coveted him like Heaps? I have never heard of Jake. Good luck to him and hope it works out well. Go Utes and Go Cougs.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 3:31 p.m.

    Doesn't seem very smart for BYU to not stay in contact with a missionary when their bread-and-butter is returning missionaries.

  • Outsideview Federal Way, WA
    Aug. 21, 2011 3:23 p.m.

    Good for him. He went where he wanted to play. There hasnt been nearly the fuss made by BYU fans about his "change of mind" that there was regarding the Utah basketball player who did the same thing in moving to BYU. Lets hope that any future similar changes will be the same way as Murphys.

  • 93 COUGAR Orem, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 3:21 p.m.

    I'm a big BYU fan but wish nothing but success for Jake. Seems like a good guy and so does his dad. Wish he would have come to BYU but you have to do what is right for you at the time. Hopefully it will work out for him.

    By the way, if the Murphy's don't use their tickets I'm sure I could find someone to put them to good use!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 3:10 p.m.


    You believe what you want to believe, no surprise there. Murphy left because he couldn't handle the competition. I'm not all that convinced the utes didn't contact him on his mission either.

    The scenario that the Murphy's claim is more than suspect by the way. If he was really getting an early release from his mission so that he could be back in time to play that season don't you think they would have let the coaches know?

    Of course none of them are ever going to tell the truth about it even though the truth is pretty evident to anyone that isn't a utah "fan".


  • wer South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 2:47 p.m.

    If everything that is written in the news about high school students acceptance of scholarships were accurate, (which, of course, it's not), it is still hard to understand some of the decisions students make. This, naturally, is due to their age, influences the rest of us don't know about, and a myriad other factors.

    It is, surprising, though, the number of students whose parents have financial means to pay for their child's education, who apparently take one school over another due to available scholarships.

    The vast majority of students don't qualify for free rides and most end up paying off education loans years later. Maybe the simple perception of a scholarship offer is more attractive than anything else. It's a good thing missionaries are responsible for their own expenses rather than missions offering free rides.

    Aug. 21, 2011 2:13 p.m.


    The reason why Zelph mentioned self-righteousness on your part is your thinly-veiled cut at this young man choosing the U over the Y for, what you imply, was too many (better) tight ends at Provo. Where does it say anything like that in the article? Or better still, where did you get that information?

    As a Ute fan, it is frustrating to read comments from BYU fans who can't admit that there are many outstanding players in the state who chose Utah over BYU because they want to. Harvey Langi comes to mind. BYU fans coveted this kid in much the same way they have done with Heaps. The only problem was, Langi chose Utah over BYU. The next thing you know, these comment boards are flooded with BYU fans saying how Langi had off the field problems (like Van Noy---something conveniently forgotten), and how Langi could never have cut it at BYU, etc.

    The bottom line is that Murphy has greater opportunities in the new PAC 12, with a chance at playing in the Rose Bowl every year. The same cannot be said for a potential recruit thinking of going to BYU.

  • BlueSaint South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 2:03 p.m.

    Who is Jake Murphy?

  • TheHailstorm South Weber, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 1:46 p.m.

    And the Duckhunter, back in September of last year wrote.....

    " They are all castoffs from other programs that couldn't make the grade there. Obviously Dale Murphy's son saw that he had no chance so he transferred to a school that has no real competition for his position because they've never had good players at that position. Isn't that right wedgie? "

    Glad to have you up on the hill for a few years Jake, hopefully you will find maximum success.
    It's good to be a UTE !!

  • Willber14 Alpine, Ut
    Aug. 21, 2011 1:12 p.m.

    I went to high school with Jake, and he is a really good guy. I wish him the very best at Utah. I think he will be a first team all Pac-12 player by the end of his career.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 12:42 p.m.

    insecure much?
    What did I say that was not in the Article. Jake wanted to join the BYU team immediately and Bronco did not have a scholarship available and wanted him to grayshirt. He then went to Utah and they signed him on the spot. Please explain how any of this is self righteous in any way?
    Did you not like the part about the mission? There are many RM's on the Utah team. Ask each one of them what will prepare them for life better, football or a mission.

    Aug. 21, 2011 12:25 p.m.

    I'm a big fan of BYU and Oregon, so there's a fair trade-off here. Although I'm a little disappointed I won't get to see him in BYU blue, I'm excited to watch him play against Oregon. More important than that, I went to high school with Jake and was on the basketball team with him. He is a real class act, just like his dad. Being a Murphy doesn't seem to pressure him. He's intent on carving out his own identity, which is great. I'm looking forward to seeing him do well, no matter what color he's wearing.

  • ZelphExists Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 11:29 a.m.

    TJ: Self-rightous much?

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Aug. 21, 2011 10:18 a.m.

    Great fit!

    I still remember the days as a kid, mimicing Dale Murphy's batting stance. Good ol' TBS on the cable box.

    GO Utes!

  • goitalone w bountiful, ut
    Aug. 21, 2011 9:58 a.m.

    Yeah, right.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 9:32 a.m.

    Interesting story. Jake went to Utah because there was an immediate scholarship offered. I thought it was because there were so many tight ends at BYU. He really did fall into their laps. Either way, the best thing about this is that he served an honorable mission. That will prepare him for the rest of his life better than any amount of football. Good luck at Utah Jake.

  • Harry the Ute SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 8:47 a.m.

    Great to have you on the Team Jake!! It'll be interesting to see how we utilize the H-back under Norm Chow. Go Utes!