Obama immigration audits roundly criticized as ineffective

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  • Sandrea Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2011 5:15 p.m.

    jmfay: denver,colorado

    "We have done independent contract work for over 25 years. This work doesnt come under I 9 and also e verify unless the juridiction requires it for govt work. That is also how these companies are doing it and thats where we need to close alot of loopholes so we are not helping illegals to exist here so they do self deport."

    I agree that we need to close a lot of loopholes to keep people from hiring illegal workers, but you are wrong on the law. I-9's and SSN's only apply to legal workers. If an individual says he is a contractor you would still request his SSN. You would need an SSN to complete a Form 1099 which is required any time you pay someone more than $600.00. You would need to still verify the SSN as to its validity for which you should use e-verify.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Aug. 18, 2011 12:24 p.m.

    There really isn't much info in the story to go on. There are a couple of anecdotes, but we all know you can find any story you want with 7 million illegals in the workforce.
    And I must have missed the perp-walks of the owners of these companies. Audits aren't the end; they are the beginning. Let's see some stiff fines for those who hire illegal aliens.
    And, whatever happened to the No Match Letters?
    The trouble with immigration enforcement is that we don't have the political will to carry it out. Too much danger of labels for politicians to get courage.

  • Brer Rabbit Spanish Fork, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 7:59 p.m.

    A quote from the article, "While unscrupulous employers exist, many of the businesses being targeted by audits are trying to follow the law, according to the New York Times. If employers refused to accept seemingly legitimate forms of identification, they would open themselves up to discrimination charges." This is simply NOT true.

    Businesses that are audited, are trying to follow the law? This is not true. There is a simple way to avoid hiring illegal aliens. First use E-Verify to check on all new employees. Second if you are getting "no-match letters" from Social Security, require the employee to prove that there is an error between their name and SSN. Social Security will help with this. If the information is false fire the employee.

    If employers fail to accept what appears to be legitimate forms of ID they open themselves up to charges of discrimination? This also false. E-Verify has at least three levels of appeal for the employee, before the employer is REQUIRED to discharge the employee. When E-Verify is used the employer is protected from discrimination charges.

    Employers that hire illegal aliens do so intentionally, or don't check ID properly.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 5:02 p.m.

    I love the comments above about turning America into a racist police state.

    I agree with deltafoxtrot on this one.
    I'm appalled at the comments by Fitfreak and the rock.
    Who believe we should give up yet more freedoms for protection from the enemy, who are really people like yourselves.

    The rock said: If we offered a large cash reward (say $10,000) to anyone...Boy is that ripe for corruption and people would never say call, every time they saw someone with a tan leaving a mexican market right, some are racist and don't even realize it, or are ignorant of what it means.

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 3:47 p.m.

    Illegal immigration shouldn't be a felony, employing an illegal alien should be.

    Make employing an illegal a felony punishable by 6 months behind bars and a $100,000 fine **per instance**. Once we've tossed some CEOs in jail for a few years and docked their companies for a million bucks or so the message would start coming across loud and clear. Nobody would even take the chance of employing someone who might be illegal.

  • Janell West Valley City, Ut
    Aug. 17, 2011 2:16 p.m.

    "(Auditing) creates heartache for the employees, heartache for the employer, and it doesn't do communities or the economies any good either," said Bill Blazar, senior vice president of the Minnesota Chamber of Commerce.

    Ahhh yes folks, here we have the voice of integrity and reason (said sarcastically)...the voice of a business leader who wants illegal labor because it pads his group's bottom line.

    Why don't these leaders ever decry the heartache that other lawbreakers suffer. I'm sure Al Capone (one who profited from illegal activity) would have said:
    "Prosecuting bank robbery creates heartache for the bank robber, heartache for the people who sell them get-a-way cars and bringing them to justice doesn't do communities or their economies any good either."

    Yes, I know that some would respond that illegal immigration isn't a felony like bank robbery. But therein lies the problem. It SHOULD be a lower class felony. At least then there'd be some teeth in the law.

  • ClarkKent Bountiful, Utah
    Aug. 17, 2011 1:41 p.m.

    Ineffective? I guess that depends on how you define it.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    Aug. 17, 2011 1:35 p.m.

    As things currently stand there is a symbiotic relationship between illegal aliens and their employers. It is in the best interest of both to keep their mouths shut.

    The best way to enforce immigration employment law is to use market forces and end the symbiotic relationship.

    If we offered a large cash reward (say $10,000) to anyone, including illegal aliens for turning in employers who hire illegal aliens without due diligence to screen them out, and fined the violators ($15,000) sufficiently to finance the system, no employer would take the chance. All it takes is one upset employee and it is over.

    If we also made it illegal to rent housing to illegal aliens (without the due diligence thing) and the penalty? The land lord would have to refund 100% of the rent. No land lord would take the chance.

    This takes the profit out of violating the law for employers and land lords.
    This makes it profitable to turn in violators.

    100% of illegal aliens know who their boss is and who their land lord is.

    100% chance of getting caught.

    Problem over.

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 1:32 p.m.

    Obama and ineffective in the same sentence? NO, really?

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 1:20 p.m.

    Here again folks I think the problem is NOT ENOUGH, or comprehensive enough enforcement.

    When the business gets audited and has to fire all their employees, those employees need to be deported, NOT allowed to simply walk down the street and get another job. Or...do more audits so employers don't want to hire illegal immigrants.

    This is only one part of the enforcement component.
    Why not have ICE do "sweeps" in Mexican market parking lots?
    EVERYBODY coming in or out is required to produce some sort of "proof of residence".

    Like the article alludes to - businesses who follow the rules are being penalized because enforcement is so lax.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 12:52 p.m.

    0 criminal illegals should be our goal

  • CJ Murray, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 12:44 p.m.

    We need to pass a national E-Verify tomorrow and enforce it vigorously.You will see a big drop in unemployment almost immediately and tax collection by state and federal governments will increase greatly. Health and education costs will come down and crime will drop as illegals have no choice but to leave. The only reason this doesn't happen is because THE ONE wants voters next year.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 12:40 p.m.

    keep up the pressure on the employers, but also deport the illegals caught in the audits.

    Also, the article was unclear about the pair of janitors at ABM. I assume since they were fired after an audit that they were illegal, but the article only identified them as immigrants. Had they been LEGAL immigrants, there would have been no problem.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 17, 2011 12:39 p.m.

    We need someone in the White House who believes in obeying the law. Without Obama's support the illegals feel they have carte blanche. As a bare minimum the Federal Government could support the states that are begging for help.

  • jmfay denver, co
    Aug. 17, 2011 12:34 p.m.

    Urban Farmer got audited in CO. Had to fire someone and a few days later this guy comes back with another ssn and said this was his real one. They hired him back as he was such a good worker. Channel 7 investigates and turns out this guy is using the ssn and we think id of someone in a nearby city and the only way this guy found out was the IRS told him he owed $8000 in back taxes. Hard to believe Urban Farmer didnt know or couldnt be bothered to ask any questions.

    ID theft especially for those under 18 is very serious and not much seems to be done on that on the federal or state level. Very few laws in place to combat it either.

    We have done independent contract work for over 25 years. This work doesnt come under I 9 and also e verify unless the juridiction requires it for govt work. That is also how these companies are doing it and thats where we need to close alot of loopholes so we are not helping illegals to exist here so they do self deport.

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 12:19 p.m.

    Two years isn't enough time for any major policy change to make a difference. Keep the pressure on employers and eventually the jobs for illegals will go away. Once enough jobs have gone away the illegals will go away too.

    Illegal immigration isn't a problem that is going to be solved at the drop of a hat. It is going to take decades of consistent pressure for change to be effective. Anyone who thinks this is a "here today, gone tomorrow" issue is deluding themselves.